Apr 30 2014 12:00pm

Malazan Reread of the Fallen: Dust of Dreams, Chapter Twenty (Part Two)

Malazan Book of the Fallen Steven Erikson Dust of Dreams reread Welcome to the Malazan Reread of the Fallen! Every post will start off with a summary of events, followed by reaction and commentary by your hosts Bill and Amanda (with Amanda, new to the series, going first), and finally comments from readers. In this article, we’ll cover the second half of chapter twenty of Dust of Dreams.

A fair warning before we get started: We’ll be discussing both novel and whole-series themes, narrative arcs that run across the entire series, and foreshadowing. Note: The summary of events will be free of major spoilers and we’re going to try keeping the reader comments the same. A spoiler thread has been set up for outright Malazan spoiler discussion.



Shield Anvil Tanakalian and Mortal Sword Krughava discuss their lack of a Destriant, with Tanakalian telling her just pick someone and Krughava arguing she won’t be so careless about it, as she is already regretting the last time she did so. Tanakalian takes that as an insult. She tells him he sees the titles as something to “grow into,” but in actuality they are conferred on someone already responsible enough to merit them. Tanakalian she sees as a “young man convinced of his own rightness… leading [him] into rash impulses.” They are interrupted by the arrival of Queen Abrastal, who tells them they are to be resupplied, and that they have spotted the Malazans, escorted by Brys and the Letherii. Abrastal asks if they are going into Kolanse to try and form an empire, adding she is uneasy with aiding a mission of conquest. Krughava angers her by implying money should take care of any ethical concerns, adding Abrastal should be happy they aren’t invading her country. When Abrastal asks what the hell they want with Kolanse, Krughava tells her that the three groups (Perish, Burned Tears, Bonehunters) serve only themselves—not a country—and so are free to perform their mission, even if it is, as Abrastal fears, to “deliver misery and suffering upon a broken people.” Abrastal thinks Krughava isn’t telling the truth about only serving themselves, that it is in fact “the very opposite,” and Tanakalian thinks she finally sees that they do what they do “not in service to ourselves, but to all of you.” He wonders:

Can anything be more glorious? And if we must fall, if we must fail, as I believe we will, is no end sweeter than that? The grandest failure this world has ever seen… We seek to save the world, and the world will do all it can to stop us. Watch us lose. Watch us squeeze the blood from your stony heart. But no. There shall be none to witness… We shall rest in emptiness, no forgotten—for forgetting follows remembrance, and there shall be no remembrance. . The perfect hero is one whose heroism none sees… Do you understand that, Mortal Sword? No, you do not.

Abrastal leaves and Tanakalian tells Krughava he believes the Bolkando will leave. Krughava tells him he’s wrong; the Queen will wait and ask Tavore, who will tell her nothing. Tanakalian argues Tavore is selfish if she doesn’t allow the Bolkando to “share in this glory” and when Krughava says perhaps it is mercy, not selfishness, he tells her he is well away of what will be the likely outcome of their march. He meant that he feels “privileged” that Tavore lets the Perish “share her fate.” Krughava, realizing Tanakalian sees the Perish as an army of walking dead, asks if he will “embrace the soul of every brother and sister? Free of judgment?… And what of our enemies? Will you accept that suffering defies boundaries… ? He refuses to answer, though the answer is clear, asking instead if she thinks he is “crowd[ing] her throne.” She dismisses him, saying he has given her much to think about. He leaves, thinking she is dangerous and also delusional in her belief that they might win.


Spax meets with the very perturbed Queen Abrastal, and she asks him about the Perish and the Malazans. He tells her he’s not sure what Tavore’s title means, saying now that they are a renegade army, he doesn’t know why she keeps it. Maybe because it’s what her soldiers are used to. He says the Adjunct was the “weapon-baring hand of the Empress. Her murderer, if you like,” adding she has an otataral weapon. Hearing there was only ever one Adjunct at a time, Abrastal says that was a heck of a betrayal and wonders how anyone can trust Tavore now. When she asks if Spax thinks the “real” Malazan army is their eventual enemy, Spax says he doesn’t know, though the Perish won’t care (any war is good for them), nor will the Burned Tears (who are personal sworn to Tavore). She informs him she has sent a daughter east. Kolanse “has fallen silent… empty ports, abandoned villages… and yet, something is there, perhaps deep inland. A power, and it’s growing.” Seeing her true fear for her daughter, Spax says she should recall her, but Abrastal says it is too late. He asks if she plans on marching to war with the foreigners, and she says no, but she will wait to meet Tavore.


Hanavat, Gall’s pregnant wife, wanders the camp at night as usual, driven by her discomfort. She is asked to join a young pair—Rafala and Shelemasa—for tea. They discuss how “civilized” people “invent useless things, or make up needs that don’t exist,” though Hanavat wonders if rather than the objects themselves, what is important is that they imply “wealth and abundance, leisure.” She goes on to talk about pregnancy, being a parent, the issues with families—“there is love, yes, but there is also war. There is sympathy and there is the poison of envy.” She ends up in a rant and the others laugh.


Men watching the three women smile but also wonder what secrets they discuss. Women smile as well, thinking of children to be. Inside a tent, Gall and Spax have been getting drunk while Krughava pumped Gall for info about the Malazans, making Spax wonder why this sudden uncertainty from someone who had sworn to Tavore. As he listens, he wonders if the Mortal Sword will notice Gall’s lust for her, even as she goes on about “a failure of confidence—a sudden threat from with the ranks of the Grey Helms… balance all awry. A young man of frightening ambitions.”


Amanda’s Reaction

I wonder a little why Krughava delays on making a decision on who the Destriant should be—is it because she enjoys the power, because she is worried about the responsibility, or is she unable to pick someone because, unknown to her, the position has already been filled?

I think that if Krughava knew about Tanakalian’s internal thoughts, she would have even more regrets about giving him the position of Shield Anvil!

I say that, but I wonder just how good Krughava is in her own position—these two characters are properly murky in motivation and make me wonder which of them is in the right or the wrong. Probably a little of both. Tanakalian seems to understand far better than Krughava how offensive she is being to Abrastal with the indication that coin could buy off the Bolkando.

Huh, Krughava maybe reveals here exactly why Tavore took the Malazans into mutiny against their own empire when she says:

“Highness, we leave to you the comfort of the solitary consideration of your own people. You are their Queen, after all, and therein lies the crucial difference between us. We Perish begin and end with responsibility only to ourselves, and to the purpose of our existence [...] an identical circumstance obtains among the Bonehunters.”

Regarding this, though, I wonder at what Krughava says, because these armies heading towards Kolanse should also have responsibility towards each other, and it doesn’t sound like they do, which might be why the Bonehunters feel like they will be going it alone when it comes to the big finale.

And then Tanakalian thinks as well: “What we do is not in service to ourselves, but to all of you.”

It seems that Tanakalian is sort of half a Shield Anvil. He sees the beautiful and heroic death of the Grey Helms and, in some ways, longs for it. But he also is not old or wise enough to accept all of the Grey Helms without judgment, or his enemies.

Oh man. Abrastal and Tavore facing each other in discussion. That is a scene I am more than willing to wait for, considering the strength and iron of them both.

Throwaway comment about Abrastal’s daughter heading into Kolanse—a daughter we’ve already seen or one we’re yet to meet? I’m sure we’ll hear more about that.

Aww, I love this conversation that Hanavat has about children—and how they shouldn’t be sucked in to having any more than one, no matter how tempting it seems. It’s amusing and gentle, for me, and a reminder that life is continuing against the backdrop of these titanic events.

Short and sweet!


Bill’s Reaction

As Amanda says, the whole Krughava—Tanakalian thing is pretty murky. I like the fact that we’re not quite sure who to like here, who to root for. Both have some good insights/points. But both have thoughts that just rub you the wrong way sometimes. That murkiness does a nice job of increasing tension as we get nearer and nearer to a pretty big-seeming convergence, where the Perish, one assumes, will play a major role one way or the other. And of course, all the references to betrayal, add to the tension/suspense.

I had a little chuckle at Queen Abrastal’s “of all the luminaries involved in this escapade, I alone remain ignorant.” Oh Abrastal, you are far from the only one. Though her concern for a people she does not know says something about her. Something even Tanakalian sees as well (see, he does have some insights).

That’s an interesting distinction Krughava makes about those leaders/armies beholden to a people/country and those not. And how she singles out Brys as the one who may have a tough decision to make down the road. I’d say there’s no way he/the Letherii leave, save all this emphasis on betrayal can’t help but make one wonder at least a tiny bit.

I have to say, if I were a soldier, I wouldn’t want my leader going into the confrontation thinking (happily) that it will be “The greatest failure this world has ever seen.” I’d hope for a bit of a higher aim I think. One has to wonder what sort of impact that belief—that they’re all doing to die gloriously—has on decision-making.

“Watch us squeeze the blood from your stony heart”—interesting choice of words.

It’s possible, as Tanakalian says, that they’ll all be not even forgotten, “for forgetting follows remembrance, and there shall be no remembrance.” But then again, somebody’s telling this damn story…

And just when you think Tanakalian might be showing signs of insight/wisdom, he predicts the Bolkando will leave. You can hear Krughava’s sigh from here.

I like Krughava’s question about what the Perish soldiers seen in Tanakalian’s eyes as he looks at them. Judgment perhaps. Or maybe they see what he sees when he looks at them—a walking army of ghosts. Can’t be very inspiring in either case.

It’s sort of funny how Abrastal leaves this scene very frustrated at getting no answers from Krughava, since it seems the reader very well might feel the same. We get Tanakalian’s pov, but not the Mortal Sword’s, and so we’re left wondering if his insights into her thoughts and motivations are correct or not. And if not, we’re no wiser toward knowing the truth.

I loved Spax’s comment about how the Gilk were making stuff up for the scholar’s to “discover.” You know that has to have happened sometime for real.

Seems an odd conversation between Spax and Abrastal re the Malazans, since we readers of course know all this. Perhaps there are some reasons to re-emphasize Tavore’s title/role, and the fact that she carries an otataral sword, something we may have forgotten about since it’s been a while. Also, of course, it’s yet another emphasis on the running theme of betrayal.

I like how we shift from the Queen as this tough as nails foul-mouthed boiling mad leader to a mother worried for her child, which humanizes both her and the situation. Always better when emotions are more concrete than abstract. And it moves as a nice segue into the scene to follow.

That’s a nice bit of poetry, with Hanavat akin to “the wandering moon of her people’s legends”—I like how it works with her roundness, her nightly perambulations through the camp, the associations the moon often has with the feminine and with pregnancy. And then how these mythic associations which we as readers bring to the linkage are made more in tune thematically with the association (again) with betrayal—“her sister moon’s betrayal”—and with Dark—“lay down in the arms of Darkness.” And of course, our reminder that the green statues have struck the visible moon over this particular planet and shattered it. And the night-sky focus here lets Erikson remind us yet again of those “jade lances” heading this way.

Well, I think we can all see modern culture in that discussion the three women have about what defines “civilization”—“invent[ing] useless things, or mak[ing] up needs that don’t exist.” That’s pretty much the whole purpose of the advertising industry, isn’t it? And pretty much the entire basis of modern capitalism? Can you imagine what would happen to a modern Western economy if people only bought what they truly needed? And we thought the last recession was bad… (says the guy typing this on his Macbook Pro in front of his turned off 55” inch TV next to the 500-channel cablebox + DVR + DVD player + Apple TV. We won’t even mention all the other computers/laptops/iPods/Touches/Tablets…)

And Hanavat has a nice insight into all that useless stuff—the way all the useless stuff “implies wealth and abundance, leisure and all the rest.”

It’s long been said that our short-term memory regarding not just pregnancy but also those first months of babydom is the only reason the human race is still around, because if we all truly remembered what that time was like, really vibrantly fully remembered it, nobody would ever have more than one kid.

Her rant about pregnancy, and her more serious and sorrowful description of her family’s dinner are both funny. But one could also read that family dinner as about people in general—how there is sometimes love, but also war. Sometimes sympathy, but also envy. Sometimes peace, but often a brief period between the power struggles.

Well, things with the Perish seem to be accelerating, if Krughava is opening up about Tanakalian to people outside the Perish. This can’t be a good sign, though it’s buried underneath Spax’s drunken lustful thoughts. Have to say, I’ve heard spank the monkey, choke the chicken, along with euphemisms involving eels, snakes, lizards, etc. but never have I heard/seen “strangle the goose until it honks.” Points for originality. And on that note…

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1. Tufty
For those who were asking about where the malazans are in relation to the rest in Friday's comments, there's your answer - just north of the Saphii mountains. So, the Bonehunters and Letherii are quite a bit north (they basically went straight east on one river from Letheras to Bluerose and straight east on another river through the Awl'dan) of most of the other groups. The Gilk/Perish/Evertine Legion/Khundryl are around Saphinand and heading north/northeast to eventually meet the Bonehunters.

Setoc+Hetan's kids+the TTG crew we know are due east of the Barghast camps, so quite a bit southeast of those armies. Torrent+OE and Ryadd+Silchas are close to them, too, since Torrent saw the wagon tracks.

Telorast & Curdle could be anywhere, but according to Silchas are somewhat following Olar Ethil.

Ublala+Draconus are also down south/southeast somewhere, assuming Draconus didn't wander too far from where he first appeared.

We can guess that Ampelas Rooted is vaguely due east of the Awl'dan, since the last expedition for a Mortal Sword+Shield Anvil was sent westward, according to Gunth'an Acyl. This expedition was sent south, so we can guess that Kalyth+Gunth Mach+Sag'Churok are somewhere in the bottom half of the Wastelands, probably not unreasonably far from the TTG crew in order for Gu'Rull to have stumbled upon them and attacked, as well as for the dangerous phenomena they encountered to have not been seen by anyone else yet.

Iccy and Sulkit are in a dragon tower, but there seems to be at least 3 of those in the Wastelands. Ampelas Rooted and the one Ryadd+Silchas were hanging out on are pretty far apart, so who knows where Iccy's is.

The Senan clan that Strahl lead away are presumably still somewhere around the Barghast villages.

The Snake is somewhere in the Glass Desert.

Kilamandaros is hanging out somewhere random. Errastas and Sechul have gone some other mysterious place to make a move against the MotD, and who knows where that means!

Likewise, the Shake+Withal+Sandalth, Sinn+Grub+Bent+Roach, and Onrack+Kilava+Ulshun are all in other realms, so not geographically related to the Wastelands.

Did I miss anyone?
Sydo Zandstra
2. Fiddler
You missed Felash and Shurq Elalle being somewhere on the sea southeast of Kolanse.

But you summed it up well, Tufty. Thanks :)

Also, not really a spoiler, but I'll white it out anyway:
Karsa is on hold in Darujhistan, as of TTH ;)
3. Tufty
Well yeah, but if I start listing characters from previous books we'll be here all night! I'm sticking to the Dramatis Personae.
4. Jordanes
A fantastic list and summary, Tufty. But you have missed perhaps the most crucial one of all.

Where is Neffarias Bredd? :)
Sydo Zandstra
5. Fiddler
On topic:

I like the way the relationship between Spax and Abrastal is developing. She originally hired them as mercenaries, and now Abrastal is leaning on Spax for advice when needed. There's the stuff about Spax lusting after her, and Abrastal treating him like a barbarian, but I always read mutual respect there. Maybe that is because Abrastal is a warrior herself too.

I also like how she worries about her 14th(!) daughter, but apparently seems to trust her well enough to handle things on her own. I think Felash has been tagged by her as her heir. If she survives long enough.

The Perish. By describing the Krughava/Tanakalian storyline, Erikson seems to be setting them up as a wildcard. Betrayal though? We'll have to see. Remember however, they worship the Two Wolf Gods of War. Remember Emperor Kellanved did his best to kill off the Cult of Fener (another War God) when he was still in charge of the Malazan Empire.

I, too, loved the scene with Hanavat. The Kundryll certainly have a different stance towards women than the Barghast do.
Sydo Zandstra
6. Fiddler
Fair enough. That's why I whited it out ;)

Neffarias Bredd is with the Bonehunters, of course :D
Ryan Dick
7. Wilbur
@1 That is an excellent summary of where the pieces are on the board, Tufty - thank you!

Even though Hanavat seems to come out of nowhere in the book, she is certainly a likeable, gritty character, isn't she? The thoughts that she voices really resonate for me.

Does Krughava get to make the decision about who gets to be Destriant, or isn't that conferred from above by the god(s)?

As I read the book, I tried to assess which of Krughava / Tanakalian was most like Rath'Fener or Itkovian from MOI, to see which one was right or wrong. In the end this wasn't very helpful.

And a follow-up question for the readers: How are the are the Grey Swords from MoI related to the Perish in DoD? They sem like they should be related, since they are both Grey, both led by Mortal Sword / Shield Anvil / Destriant triumvirates. On the other hand, the Perish followed the Wolves, while the Grey Swords worshipped Fener. I recall that the remnants of the Grey Swords left at the end of the siege of Capustan swore to the Wolves, but none of the survivors from that seem to be with the Perish. And the Grey Swords were from Genabackis, while Perish is somewhere else. Can anyone help me connect the dots?
Rajesh Vaidya
8. Buddhacat
Fine list, Tufty, thanks. One group that was left is Tool and his Imass - I think they are in the wastelands northeast of Bolkando but southeast of the easterly trajectory that the Bonehunters are taking.
Sydo Zandstra
9. Fiddler

As I see it, the Perish have always worshipped the Wolves. To be more specific, they were Fanderay's, since Togg was Missing for ages until the end of MoI. I have more to support that, but that is entering Spoiler territory deeply for now.

The Grey Swords swore to the Wolves after Togg was reinstated, and after their God (Fener) was officially declared to have descended. They also perished (pun intended) after they landed on the continent where we now are (see RG's prologue). Setoc, the Wolves Chosen Destriant, is related to their fate.
10. Jordanes
@ 7 Wilbur:

I can't remember where, but somewhere it is mentioned that Elingarth (where the Grey Swords were from) was a Perish colony on Genabackis. So the two peoples are related (as also seen in the similarity of the name endings - Brukhalian/Tanakalian/Itkovian).

We don't actually know when the Grey Helms started worshipping the Wolves - who's to say it wasn't actually a recent development like that of the Grey Swords'? Indeed, I think we find out a bit more about the Grey Helms relationship with the rest of the Perish people in tCG.
Sydo Zandstra
11. Fiddler

Remember the Perish telling Tavore they had been preparing that portal for their fleets to go through to get a short cut to Malaz City for a long time. (In tBH) And the shortcut was through the Beast Hold.

That, plus I won't believe Fener had two sets of MS/SA/Des where other gods didn't.

Add this as something for the next Q&A :)
12. Jordanes
@ Fiddler:

I believe it's more specifically said somewhere to have been two years (again I disappointingly can't pinpoint where) preparing the portal...and around that same amount of time passed since the Grey Swords became sworn to the Wolves.

I'm not saying that the Grey Helms haven't been sworn to the Wolves for longer, but there is room for debate. What you say, however, re two sets of MS/D/SA because two gods, makes sense - although I think it was Fanderay who was missing for ages, not Togg (Togg found Toc and hid in him to search for Fanderay - while Fanderay's body was seemingly destroyed by the Fall and her soul was much much later put into Baaljagg). So the swearing of the Grey Swords to the Wolves seems to presage the return of Fanderay.
13. Karambha
Off topic, forgive me but couldn't resist jumping ahead to say hello! I am now starting the re-read of house of chains and am managing a post each evening more or less, so its going to be a close thing, catching you all up before the end of the series so I can join in!
Amazing that you are all still going - what a commitent @Bill and @Amanda. I love you both for it.
Thanks to all those who have commented in the past and floored by all your amazing insights. So much I never connected together in the re reads I have done in the past.
Sydo Zandstra
14. Fiddler
I think you are right there, Jordanes.
So switch gods on my earlier argument.

And I agree it's open for debate. Which is good, when we get to the point where we can :)
15. Tufty
I think right now the important distinction is that Perish is a country and people on the northwest region of the Seven Cities continent, and Elingarth is a Perish colony.

The Grey Swords were from Elingarth and sworn to Fener, then later to the Wolves. The Grey Helms are from Perish, and seem to have been sworn to the Wolves for at least 2 years.

That doesn't mean all of Elingarth was sworn to Fener, or that all of Perish is sworn to the Wolves. For all we know, Perish could have long tradition of holy mercenary companies and there are Grey Shields fighting in Umryg and Grey Lances fighting on the Demon Plain all at the same time as DoD is taking place.

(Given how SE takes some influences from Glen Cook I wouldn't be surprised to see him include somewhere in his world a Khatovar-esque place with many mercenary companies coming out of it.)
16. Jordanes
@ 15 Tufty: Yes, that's a nice point and sort of what I was trying to get that with my comment re the Grey Helms and the rest of Perish.

On chapter topic, it's interesting to see that ostensibly the strongest physical force - the elite soldier cult of the Perish Grey Helms, is now beginning to show the shakiest tendencies, at least in its leadership. Interesting - but perhaps not surprising. Krughava and Tanakalian are both extremely 'certain' people, albeit certain about different things, and we've all seen how SE likes to deal with certainty. Neither Krughava nor Tanakalian come off well in these scenes - their comments on the others' weaknesses both have the ring of truth to them, but worse is that neither seems to be SELF-aware when it comes to those weaknesses.
Paul Boyd
17. GoodOldSatan
Ok, so considering all Gods of War, is Setoc the missing Perish Destrint? Or a different Destraint?
18. Jordanes
@ 17:

She's been called Destriant to the Wolves, and the Perish Grey Helms are sworn to the Wolves, so...

Of course, it's not so much a *Perish* Destriant as a Wolf Gods Destriant - their mortal servants don't necessarily have to come from the Perish Grey Helms - as indeed appears to be the case with Setoc. What I mean is, it doesn't necessarily follow that Setoc now has to join up with the Perish, but it may explain why Krughava is delaying naming a Destriant - if the position has already been filled even if Krughava is not completely aware of that on a conscious level.
Chris Hawks
19. SaltManZ
We've seen the word "Mhybe" (for "vessel") show up in various forms since MoI--"Mahybe" being the other common variant. This is the first time I noticed that Hanavat being given the honorific of "Mahib" is probably related.
Bill Capossere
20. Billcap
Thanks for the breakdown Tufty!

13. Karambha: thanks for the kind words and we'll be here when you catch up--good luck!

17. GoodOldSatan
Maybe the answer to the questions is, "Yes"?

Saltman 19: This was the first time I noticed that as well. Always makes me feel good when I realize I just missed a single word or somethign akin to that as oppose to an entire plot point, a honking huge symbol, or some big as a bridge parallel

Jordanes 18
I was wondering the same thing about Kr. If her unwillingness/inability was a mystery even to her— one she could in her own mind rationalize away (I want to be careful, I don't want to end up with a screw up like this idiot boy, etc.)—but one whose cause really lies with the gods. I don't recall if this gets proven/disproven going forward.
Brian R
21. Mayhem
I think Krughava definitely has a solid link to the Wolves, or maybe one Wolf if the theories are right.

Tanakalian however I'm pretty sure doesn't have anything other than his own belief. And I think that is part of the point - he is also a symbol of the secular corruption that ambition can spread in any order, as Rath'Fener and the fall of Heboric were representative of the problems in that priesthood. Itkovian had the strength of his own beliefs, but they were forged in the knowledge that he had done this task for his god on many occasions before, and that this was his task to complete even without a god. Tanakalian just looks at the potential glory in the role, and ignores the sacrifice.

Run'Thurvian was definitely a true Destriant in the vein of Karnadas - he was a priest kneeling at the feet of his god.
Setoc is much the same - she is the living link to the gods. She just doesn't know of the Perish yet. I think she has a feeling she needs to move in their direction though.

I really like the idea of the Perish being the equivalent of Khatovar, especially the implication that while there might be many companies of skilled warriors, they aren't all necessarily serving good.
On that note though, it reminds me the Malazan world doesn't really have any Gods of Good or Evil, only gods that sometimes do good or bad things, and worshippers that do the same.
22. KarlReadsTheseBooks
Things that you have to consider regarding the Wolves and the Grey Swords and Grey Helms:

1. There are two Wolves on the throne. Togg and Fanderay. Balance has been an important theme throughout the books. Male/Female. Offense/Defense.

2. A helm is more defensive, and it also provides a certain limit of visibility, a tunnel vision, if you will.

3. A sword is a primarily offensive weapon, but can cut both ways. One may live and die by it.

4. The Grey Swords all died, but the Wolves ate their hearts. These same wolves nursed Setoc into adolescence.

5. Does Krughava know there is a new destriant? Maybe. It doesn't mater though, because just naming one doesn't make it so. Fate will intervene until the time comes for them all to be gathered together.

6. There are a few War Gods in play here, the Wolves, Trake and even Fener is still kicking around somewhere. There are many faces of war. And the word has many connotations. Whose to say what "war" means to woves and The Wolves?

Thats all I got. Props to Tufty on the locales.
Sydo Zandstra
23. Fiddler
Karl @22:

2. A helm is more defensive, and it also provides a certain limit of visibility, a tunnel vision, if you will.

Back when tBH was out, I discussed the possibility of Helms actually referring to the naval meaning (as in steering wheel on a ship). Because the Perish, even though they show overall martial prowess, seem to be a naval force firstly.

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