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Jul 25 2012 1:20pm
Malazan Re-read of the Fallen: Reaper’s Gale, Prologue

Welcome to the Malazan Re-read of the Fallen! Every post will start off with a summary of events, followed by reaction and commentary by your hosts Bill and Amanda (with Amanda, new to the series, going first), and finally comments from Tor.com readers. In this article, we’ll cover the Prologue of Reaper’s Gale by Steven Erikson (RG).

A fair warning before we get started: We’ll be discussing both novel and whole-series themes, narrative arcs that run across the entire series, and foreshadowing. Note: The summary of events will be free of major spoilers and we’re going to try keeping the reader comments the same. A forum thread has been set up for outright Malazan spoiler discussion.

PROLOGUE

SCENE ONE

Kilmandaros wanders through Kurald Emurlahn in “the age of sundering,” past dragon carcasses and wraiths trapped in their blood. The dragon blood hardens and sinks through worlds. Kurald Emurlahn begins to fragment as civil war continues and “scavengers” arrive to pick over the pieces. Kilmandaros arrives at a rent beginning to close (having been partially sealed by the last one to pass through) and steps through it.

SCENE TWO

The setting is now the “ruined K’Chain Che’Malle demesne after the fall of Silchas Ruin.” Gothos tracks Mael and Kilmandaros as they fight Scabandari even as he seals the area with Omtose Phellack. He muses on how all things must end, including species and civilizations. He arrives at where Scabandari has been trapped, badly wounded. Gothos and Kilmandaros discuss her “children” losing their way and then Gothos explains Kilmandaros can’t simply kill Scabandari because Gothos’ ritual has “denied” death in the regions. Instead he’ll prepare a Finnest to take Scabandari’s soul. She kills Scabandari (punches a hole in his skull) and Gothos takes the Finnest with his soul in it as payment.

SCENE THREE

Kilmandaros meets Rake at the rent. When she says he isn’t welcome in Kurald Emurlahn, he replies he has no interest in claiming the throne or avenging Scabandari’s betrayal of Silchas Ruin and after pointing out that she is “besieged” and Edgewalker is “committed elsewhere,” offers his help. He warns her the war now involves Soletaken and feral dragons. Kilmandaros says she wants to drive the “pretenders” out and leave the Throne of Shadow empty. He agrees and they exit, sealing the rent, then begin “cleansing” the realm.

SCENE FOUR

The setting is the Awl’dan during the last days of the Letherii Empire. Preda Bivatt with a troop (The Drene legions) of soldiers investigates the landing of massive war canoes months or years ago. She calculates about a half-million disembarked here and wonders where they went. She wants to look closer, especially at the prows, which have seemingly been dismantled.

SCENE FIVE

Still in the Awl’dan, a red-masked rider comes upon a battle scene between the Drene and a group of foreign soldiers. The victorious Drene have taken the dead and headed home, but wolves have eaten only the hearts from the corpses of the unknown soldiers. He notes their black and white uniforms, some with wolf-heads as sigils. His investigation is interrupted by the arrival of his two “companions,” described as powerful taloned killing machines.

 

Amanda’s Reaction to the Prologue

Once more into the breach, dear friends... Welcome back to the re-read!

Well, talk about an impact right from the word go! That first sentence really does lay down the tone, doesn’t it? We’re right back into the tragic, gruesome, epic world of the Malazans: “In a landscape torn with grief, the carcasses of six dragons lay strewn in a ragged row reaching a thousand or more paces across the plain, flesh split apart, broken bones jutting, jaws gaping and eyes brittle-dry.” It gives the reader a few questions, chief amongst them: what is able to kill six dragons like this?

Didn’t the Forkrul Assail have extra joints? I seem to recall that!

Whoever this beast is, it doesn’t seem to have a fondness for dragons, going by the growling and twitchy hands. Oh hell, whenever I see the word twitchy now I think of 50 Shades of Grey. Help me.

Draconean blood hardening and falling into different realms — will I have seen the evidence of this in previous novels. I thought for a moment that it might be where otataral comes from, but that is the jade statues, correct?

Who was the first to walk through the rent? Before Kilmandaros?

This is a fantastic description of how the Kurald Emerlahn fell into pieces, squabbled over by any who sought to use the power. It also seems to suggest that Kurald Emerlahn is never be returned to its original power and all in one piece; that it can’t be healed? Is that so? I also like the mention a little later of the fact that the death of this realm equates to a promise to all other realms — this could happen to them too; no realm is safe.

There is a very fatalistic tone to Gothos’ thoughts — things end, races die, loss of innocence. I do love his: “He would not permit himself a melodramatic laugh...”

It’s good, this bit in the ruined K’Chain Che’Malle demesne, as we see how Scabandari ended up with a busted skull — the skeleton that the Sengar brothers find in Midnight Tides.

So Kilmandaros is the Elder Goddess of the Forkrul Assail? And her children, according to Gothos, are losing their way. We’ve seen the Forkrul Assail on a couple of occasions now, and oblique references to them, and it makes me wonder whether what we’ve seen has been them directionless — and what it going to happen when they find their way again....

I can’t help but be amused by how cranky Kilmandaros is, especially when she refers to Mael as a boiled crab, but she isn’t a character to warm to, is she? What role is she going to take in proceedings from here on?

Yay Rake! Pleased to see him again! Let’s hope there is LOTS of Rake in this book! So why isn’t Anomander Rake welcome in Kurald Emurlahn?

Interesting that Rake knows of Edgewalker — I like these casual mentions of characters that we’ve seen now and again. It keeps them in mind and reminds us that we know very little of their story — yet. And what on earth is Edgewalker up to that he can’t manage to help out with the failing Shadow Realm?

The image of all those war canoes spread across the beach, the idea that upwards of half-million somethings have landed and then vanished makes me shiver somehow. “Errant’s blessing, who is now among us?” Indeed.

This slaughtered army, come upon by the mysterious masked man (a mask of scales?) carries the sigil of Togg and Fanderay. I thought we’d already seen their army, or at least their Mortal Sword? Are these the ones we met then?

And why is this man being accompanied by K’Chain Che’Malle?

 

Bill’s Reaction to the Prologue

Hi all and welcome back! Thanks for your patience as we recharged our batteries. We also want to thank Steven for his question and answer—sorry I missed it, but I had no net contact for much of my vacation. So now after some camping, some family visits, and (according to my family) too many museums and art galleries, I’ve whetted my Malaz appetite with Forge of Darkness (cheap tease, I know), and am ready to jump back into the re-read with both feet. And so away we go....

We’ve heard a lot about the sundering/shattering of Kurald Emurlahn and that opening paragraph is a pretty vivid evocation of what has so far been a pretty abstract concept—the dragon corpses, the blood dropping through worlds, the wraiths trapped eternally, the rent. I also found it a striking image, though far less concrete, that not only did scavengers take pieces of the shattered realm, but that actively tore pieces free—I picture a group of hyenas ripping apart the flesh of some carcass they came across.

Note the description of Kilmandaros having “extra joints”—we’ve seen that description several times.

The lines of the fall of Emurlahn have some environmental relevance nowadays perhaps:

It had not been imagined . . . than an entire realm could die . . . That the vicious acts of its inhabitants could destroy everything. Worlds live on, had been the belief—the assumption—regardless of the activities of those who dwelt upon them. Torn flesh heals, the sky clears, and something new crawls from the briny muck. But not this time.

Well, we certainly know by now that Gothos belief that the Jaghut were not in fact, “in their perfected brilliance. . . triumphant in eternal domination.” Eternal, after all, is a pretty long time.

Also, as an aside, kinda hard to picture a “young, naïve” Gothos, isn’t it?

That’s such a classic Erikson tease, with Gothos pulling something, “an object” out and having both Mael and Kilmandaros surprised by it, then having Mael calling it a “rather curious choice,” and then of course never showing us the thing. Well, “never” meaning not this chapter at least.

I do so enjoy nearly all the Jaghut scenes in this series.

Speaking of enjoyment, I do remember how happy I was to so early on see Rake again.

So here we learn that Edgewalker has been attached in some fashion to Kurald Emurlahn for quite a long time. And Rake’s line begs the question as to what could be so big that Edgewalker is elsewhere committed while the realm literally falls apart?

I love Rake’s dry discussion of Silchas’ fate: “I almost envy him his new-found isolation” and, in response to Kilmandaros arguing that Silchas will be angry over Rake’s indifference: “You might be surprised.” Perhaps, the reader hopes at this point, we’ll have a chance to find out in this book. And perhaps my favorite of his lines in this chapter: when Kilmandaros warns him their enemies will “forge alliances. They will war against us,” his reply is “I have nothing better to do today.” How can you not love this character?

So two big questions obviously arise with regard to the canoes—whose are they and where are they? Those disassembled prows are something we’ve seen before....

The more mysteries in the ensuing scene:

  • Who is this masked man?
  • Who/what are his two companions? (That one is probably not too mysterious—taloned, killing machines... we’ve seen this before...
  • Who are these soldiers the Drene fought with? (We do know some wolf-associated folks)
  • What, if anything, is the significance/consequence of the wolves having eaten the hearts?

That’s a pretty strong prologue—opening with a scene of death and devastation and closing with a scene of death and devastation, with the sound of “talons hissing through grass” and ravens overhead. Perhaps Reaper’s Gale is not going to be the first feel-good hit of the series?

Just a few other quick notes—nothing major with any of these but I do like how Erikson squeezes in some mention of a few items very quickly and unobtrusively:

  • A Meckros City
  • Bluerose
  • The Bolkando Kingdom
  • The shore

Amanda Rutter is the editor of Strange Chemistry books, sister imprint to Angry Robot.

Bill Capossere writes short stories and essays, plays ultimate frisbee, teaches as an adjunct English instructor at several local colleges, and writes SF/F reviews for fantasyliterature.com.

29 comments
Tai Tastigon
1. Taitastigon
Welcome back, Amanda & Bill !

Dang...time sure flies...

...aaaand...the serious timeline problems start...*cough, cough, nudge, nudge*...
Chris Hawks
2. SaltManZ
Speaking of time flying: I don't think anyone's mentioned that we've been doing this reread for two years as of this month. Wow.
Tricia Irish
3. Tektonica
Yeah! Malazan's back! I hope you both had good, refreshing holidays!

I need a refresher course in some of these references....

I did not get before that Kilanmandaros was associated with the FA. Is she?

Kurald Emurlahn is not Rake's warren, right? Wouldn't that be why he's not welcome there?

What is Edgewalker up to? Is this his warren? Shadow? I'm losing it here with the names of warrens. Galain=Dark, Light= ? , Shadow= Emurlahn?

Was Kurald Emurlahn the FA warren before this battle?

It sounds like Rake is anti-Shadowthrone/Cotillion here in this conversation with Kilamandaros, which I've never felt before. ?? Is Edgewalker pre-occupied with S & C?

I can't tell what the timeline is here...it seems to jump backwards and forewards...surprise. Was it the Imass that was just in the Rent? The one that came to get his sword from Stormy in Malaz City? Same Rent? Or are we back in time somewhere?

I'm also wondering about the canoes.....we have the wolfhead sigul, which is Togg and Fanderay....but then there were canoes in Coral, right? Related?

Help! This is my second read of the series, so I'm just beginning to see all the connections, and they are legion! It's so nice to be back in Wu.
Chris Hawks
4. SaltManZ
Tek: Timeline-wise... well. :D

The Rake/Kilmandaros section is hundreds of thousands of years ago (immediately after the MT prologue) so ST&C aren't around yet. The canoes portion is osetensibly set around the time of MT, which itself is set around GotMish, though the presence of the canoes (as we'll see) actually indicates post-MoI, hence Tait's first comment.

Rake's warren is Kurald Galain (Andii=Galain, Edur=Emurlahn, Liosan=Thyrllan/Liosan.)
Steven Halter
5. stevenhalter
I also really liked the Gothos scene and then the Rake scene. Two utterly fascinating characters.
Yes, the FA have extra joints and it is implied here that they are Kil's "children".
Yes, SE is quite the tease here with that Finnest. What is it and what does Gothos intend to do with it?
Darren Kuik
6. djk1978
Kilmandaros connection to the FA I never really noticed before. It does clarify a few things for me about both the FA and Killy.

What do you say about Rake?

Timeline has always been a problem. I reconcile it in two ways. One, SE doesn't care about it so I should just get over it. Two, I execute one by reasoning that just as there is truth and there is another truth, depending on which character is talking, so too there is truth about the times and dates. Picture MBOTF as a bunch of history books compiled by different authors. They don't have their facts all lined up, but it fits well enough to give us the story that is important.
Brian R
7. Mayhem
The dragon's blood reminds me of early in Midnight Tides, where Seren Pedac finds the carven stones in the pass on the borders of the Edur realm. Especially since the section is titled Frozen Blood.

The sheer walls of rock alone retained something of their ancient power. Smooth and black, they were translucent, in the manner of thin, smoky obsidian. And shapes moved behind them. As if the mountains had been hollowed out, and each panel was a kind of window, revealing a mysterious, eternal world within. A world oblivious of all that surrounded it, beyond its own borders of impenetrable stone, and of these strange panels, either blind or indifferent.

I believe this is our first actual sighting of Kilmandaros, though rereading, this prologue actually carries straight on from the one in
Midnight Tides which ends with a conversation between Gothos and Mael.

The Elder god faced south, the muscles of his jaw bunching. ‘I am to have an ally. Kilmandaros. She comes from the other side of the rent.’
...
Seal this devastation in your damned ice, Gothos. In this place, freeze time itself. Do this, and I will accept an indebtedness to you ... which one day you might find useful.’
Gothos considered the Elder god’s words, then nodded. ‘I might at that. Very well, Mael. Go to Kilmandaros. Swat down this Tiste Eleint and scatter his people. But do it quickly.’
...


As for the canoes ... we've seen canoes of unusual make before, with weapons hidden in the prows ... not in Coral, but further north, in Capustan.

The dead .. many of them women .. featuring the sigil of Togg and Fandaray. We've seen this army before as well.
Chris Hawks
8. SaltManZ
@djk: Re your timeline reconciliations: I would not hesitate to posit that it is, in fact, both those things. Have you read the prelude to Forge of Darkness? It's from the narrator, Blind Gallan, basically arguing just as you have, and at one point he actually says: "what I do not recall I shall invent". :D SE made similar cracks in Crack'd Pot Trail via the narrator Avas Flicker.
Jamie Watkins
9. Treesinger
You are doing Reaper's Gale? You were supposed to do the Return of the Crimson Guard! I am half-way through and I can't stop now. It has taken me a year to catch up with the re-read and now I am going to be behind again. I started on Garden's of the Moon a year ago and it has taken me this long to catch up. I want to thank you all for introducing Steven Erikson to me, he writes beautifully and I have enjoyed every minute. I will be honest, if it wasn't for this forum I probably wouldn't have made it past Garden's because I was confused by the fact that we are coming in at the middle of the story but I am glad that I did. (What's with the damaged moon?)By the way Crimson Guard is really, really good, much better than Night of Knives.
Chris Hawks
10. SaltManZ
@9: The moon's been damaged since Bonehunters, when some of the falling jade giants impacted upon it.
Jay Doctor
11. therealdrj
Good to see you back. Sad it took this long. Unfortunately, I have been so sucked into the series that I stormed ahead. But know I feel (currently halfway through TtH after having read RotCG, a huge leap in quality for Esselmont from NoK). I understand Erickson's writing style better to where I am not as confused because I know he will eventually give me enough pieces to solve the puzzle.

But I can't thank Amanda and Bill enough for having started this, the first 3-4 books would have been impossible to understand without this blog.

But sticking to the topics at hand: I totally agree, any Jaghut content is good content, Edgewalker is still a mysterious (really interested to see what his story is in later books), the cover of the book is the first book I felt that gave a clear picture of what the novel will be about, unlike all the others, with the exception of HoC (but even that went in a completely different direction ie it really being Karsa's story). Seeing Scabandari's death therefore taking place on Lether, I was interested to learn more about Mael, he is very schizophrenic to me, his EXTREMELY charming personality with Tehol, yet his bloodlust and fickleness to other people, gods or worshippers.

The title of the book is very apt, because there were some heartbreaking moments along with a lot of uplifting moments.
Tricia Irish
12. Tektonica
Thank you SaltMan and Mayhem.

Bringing up the prologue in MT was brilliant, Mayhem! It really ties things in. (How many times am I going to have to read all of these, to make these connections on my own? At least 3-4?) It's so nice to get the explanation of what happened to Scarabandi and by whom....the Mael/Gothos debt...the Mael/Kilamandaros union. Very interesting.

I'm glad to know that Rake's conversation about Gurald Emurlahn was long ago, and not about Shadowthrone and Cotillion. It seemed like some things discussed here, like Capustan were more present day, and other things were far in the past. Typical timeline in MBotF.

Was this the same Rent that was in Mourn?
Mormegil013
13. Mormegil013
Welcome back Amanda and Bill
I waited for you to continue this re-read. It' s really great to look the task you achieve.
I discovered Steven Erikson by reading "Pat Fantasy Hotlist".
Poor luck there are only two books traducted here in France, two books separated in 3 books,
Gardens of the moon : is transalted in "Les jardins de la lune"
Deadhouse gates is translated in two books, " La chaine des chiens" and "La maison des morts"
So, the good thing is that I have to buy the original version, and thanks to that I discovered your fantastic re-read.
You make my day.
Darren Kuik
14. djk1978
Tek@12: I think it's not. You should be able to decipher "where" each side of this rent is and neither of those sides is Morn. If you can't, read my white text, it's not a big giveaway. One side is Starvald Demelain and the other is Lether continent, which Gothos is about to freeze. Hopefully I got that right. :)

Treesinger, RotCG was originally next, but in discussion of tBH it was agreed to do RG next. I guess you missed that. Hopefully you can catch up quickly. I agree that ICE really got better with RotCG, compared to NoK.
Tricia Irish
15. Tektonica
Thanks djk1978. I forgot about that, and the result in MoI. So, it was long ago, as well. Maybe the timeline isn't as whacky as I thought. ;-)
Marijn van Zanten
16. Asmodemon
@3: Kurald Emurlahn has always been the Elder Warren of Shadow. As shadow is between light and dark, shadow betrayed dark (the fall of Silchas Ruin), and by this point in time Rake should already be carrying Dragnipur, you can see why he wouldn't be welcome in shadow. Also Shadow is besieged at this point by plenty of beings trying to become the next ruler and Shadow doesn't want someone as powerful as Rake in the mix.

Also, Rake isn't so much anti-Shadowthrone/Cotillion (because those two Gods don't exist yet in the Elder time of the prologue, many ages before the timeline of the main sequence), he doesn't want the beings that are after control of the shattered Kurald Emurlahn to succeed.

I imagine Edgewalker is busy dealing with the shattered pieces of Shadow, so he doesn't have time to take care of the interlopers as well.

The Forkrul Assail warren is Ahkrast Korvalain, but that's not really relevant.

Timeline in the prologue: Elder times for the first couple of scenes, then after Rake's scene it goes to the last days of King Diskanar (before the Edur conquired them in Midnight Tides), then the last scene takes place after the Edur conquest in Midnight Tides. How that fits in terms of years...well...
karl oswald
17. Toster
14@djk1978

half right about the rent i think. its Lether and Kurald Emurlahn. i always thoguht it was the same one silchas and scabandari used.

off-topic, for anyone who's interested in this kind of thing, after Saltman made a post noticing that The Bonehunters contains foreshadowing for almost every story ICE wrote, i was inspired to make a 'web of the fallen'. it's pretty simple, but helpful for visualizing the connections between books and even arcs. it contains all the planned and published material but Bauch. and KB

http://i.imgur.com/SRMAd.png

oh, and happy two year anniversary rereaders!
Darren Kuik
18. djk1978
Toster, you're right, as usual. I read that a little too quickly. KE is a better guess than SD is.
Mormegil013
19. alt146
@11 There's been a lot of discussion in the books so far regarding the nature of the relationship between gods and worshippers. What Mael's worshipper's do propably doesn't have that much relation to what he would prefer them to do and partly explain why he's withdrawn to such a degree by the time we get to MT. You can draw a lot of parallels to real life and how the actions of religious people can seem counter to the values they profess.

@Amanda's comment re dragon blood, ottaral and jade statues:
I don't feel this is a spoiler, since all of this has been hinted at to varying degrees in the previous books, but I'll white out to be sure. (whited out for possible spoilers) The jade giants are essentially space ships sent by the Crippled God's followers from his original realm. The hardened dragons blood is the sort of thing that was pointed out in @7, and according to a thread on malazempire that I can't find might also play a part in why warrens don't "wander" the way holds do. In MoI it's hinted quite heavily that ottotoral is residue from magical catastrophes, like the first empire's soletaken ritual creating the ottotoral island.
Mormegil013
20. alt146
balls, I even made sure to white out in the preview and not in the post a comment box, could a helpful moderator please fix that for me
Mormegil013
21. Tufty
@alt146 (post 19)

Just because Heboric sees the hands as being full of people in HoC (in a drug-addled mindset, too) doesn't mean they're either space-ships or contain the CG's followers (in fact, the people he hears inside seem to be from a wide variety of religious beliefs). I don't think we can really say what they are, especially not at this point...


@Toster (17)

I don't really get your chart... what is it supposed to convey? Major plot arcs? If so, I don't think it really works - practically every book has a major plot arc going to at least 2 or 3 more books and doesn't really provide much info.

I decided to take my own shot at major plot arc mapping, and here's what I could come up with (though I'm sure I missed some stuff):

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?b6ot87c5nfg17pn

(note: it's only up to the end of Bonehunters, so no spoilers are included)
karl oswald
22. Toster
21@ tufty i guess you might call mine more of a 'road-map' or something. i never intended it to be exhaustive in terms of information conveyed, instead wanting to convey in simple terms the way the books are connected to one another, and through that, see how the arcs connect to one another across books as well. Think of it like Achamian's 'map' from Bakker's Prince of Nothing trilogy, if you've read that.

example the first:

i have NoK connected to GotM and tBH, since characters from NoK appear in tBH and GotM, and NoK has huge impact on the world we find in GotM and tBH.

example the second:
tBH is a huge pivot book, obviously, as it sees tavore and the 14th leaving the malazan empire. so it branches into the two stories of what the 14th does (RG), and what befalls the empire they left behind (RotCG). SW continues this. I'm not sure if Blood and Bone should be connected to SW, but i have a feeling it will be connected to assail, and i know that SE said Assail is the capstone/final epilogue to the combined book of the fallen/novels of the malazan empire sequence.

i like your web, and you're hilarious comments on the various plot points. well done. this is a really good idea, and i think you should keep it up if you're game. i was certainly never intending anything this elaborate :P
Mieneke van der Salm
23. Mieneke
Yay, welcome back Reread! And what a return it is. That prologue not only answers or links things from previous books but manages to pose more questions than it answers!

@Tufty: that map is awesome!
Steven Halter
24. stevenhalter
@Tufty: useful and funny at the same time--good stuff.
Mormegil013
25. alt146
@21

Tufty, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. From Heboric's vision, House of Chains Chapter 13:

And he felt himself sliding down - amidst a sea of stars that swirled in the blackness yet were sharp with sudden clarity. In what seemed a vast distance, duller spheres swam, clustering about the fiery stars, and realization struck him a hammer blow. The stars, they are as the sun. Each star. Every star. And those spheres - they are worlds, realms, each one different yet the same.

Heboric then sees the jade statues as they fly past him, spotting where they come from:

A vast - impossibly vast - red-limned wound cut across the blackness, suppurating flames along its ragged edges. Grey storms of chaos spiralled out in lancing tendrils. And the giants descended into its maw. One after another. To vanish. Revelation filled his mind.Thus, the Crippled God was brought down to our world. Through this… this terrible puncture. And these giants… follow. Like an army behind its commander. Or an army in pursuit.

Granted, this vision was drug induced, and Heboric worries about this himself:

Were all of the jade giants appearing somewhere in his own realm? That seemed impossible. They would be present in countless locations, if that was the case. Present, and inescapably visible. No, the wound was enormous, the giants diminishing into specks before reaching its waiting oblivion. A wound such as that could swallow thousands of worlds. Tens, hundreds of thousands. Perhaps all he witnessed here was but hallucination, the creation of a hen'bara-induced fever.

But from The Bonehunters onwards at least one statue is in fact present and inescapably visible. Added to that, the fact that there are souls in the statues is treated as fact through the rest of the books and confirmed by Quick in the TBH.

Then when Heboric stops the statues in TBH, Chapter 20, we have from the souls in the statues:

‘This is not salvation. We simply die. Destruction—’
‘No, no, you fool. Home. We have come home—’
‘Annihilation is not salvation. Where is he? Where is our god?’
‘I tell you, the search ends!’
‘No argument there.’
Listen to me.
‘Who is that?’
‘He returns! The one outside – the brother!’

From all that I feel it's a pretty valid conclusion to have reached - We have a number of jade statues flying through space, having come from the Crippled God's original realm, searching for their god...

PS, in searching through for that last quote, I see that the theme of 'coming/going home' is brought up a number of times - Cutter's desire to return to Darujistan, Masan Gilani's thoughts about how Dal Honese always return home, Karsa's talk of eventaully returning to his tribe etc. Just thought I'd mention it, since it ties in nicely with the fact that the Bonehunters return to Malaz city (the home of the Malazan Empire) at the end of the book.
Mormegil013
26. Tufty
Alt, I was trying to cover up YOUR self-proclaimed massive spoiler!
Mormegil013
27. alt146
I said I didn't think it's a spoiler... In HoC it's hinted from Heboric's point of view and then confirmed in TBH by the souls themselves.
Steven Job
28. kiwifan
Hi all, I started reading malazan in July 2012 and found this site around September and I have enjoyed reading the chapter summaries as I catch up to you guys, and I am catching up quickly :)

I thought I would throw my 2 cents in with the timeline issues, on how I have looked at it (more for my piece of mind).

- Prologue of House if chains: 1159 BS, Midnight tides: 1 year before Letherii seventh closure (where 3 years before seventh closure was given as 1159 BS). I have thought of two possible solutions for this, I am wondering if anyone would agree that either works.

1) 3 years before seventh closure is 1159, under usual mathematics this makes 1 year before seventh closure 1161 BS. Since midnight tides is meant to occur before hoc prologue, could one way around it be that since the elder shadow warren is broken that time is broken too? So then when the edur take Trull there, they have accidentally travelled back in time due to the broken warren. As I am only up to Reaper's Gale there could easily be something in later books that disproves this theory of mine (or it's just stupid).

2) I am not sure if this one is any more realistic; what if the Letherii measure time different to malazans? In this way two letherii years may of passed but it is still 1159BS.This would end up allowing the end of midnight tides to line up with the beginning of house of chains. This would then mean that about 5/6 burn sleep years pass by the time we see the edur fleet in bonehunters. I however have a feeling from one of the earlier books, perhaps MOI that this time gap maybe too large, but it could viable that they spend 6 years searching for champions. Once again being a first time reader and only just started RG there could be other things (probably in this book) that contradict this theory.

As with the boats in this chapter, one explanation could be that since the area where they are is a long way way from Letheras, news that the king died may of taken a while to reach them so for them the last year of the king maybe after the point that people above were complaining that it contradicts? It's just my first impression, have to read the rest of the book to see probably where the boats fit in :)

Keep up the good work guys and I will be caught up soon.
Mormegil013
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Timeline? What timeline?

The start of Midnight Tides was 1159 BS, 3 years before the 7th closure.
The prologue of House of Chains was 1159 BS, the 943rd Day of the Search (about 3 years after the 7th closure assuming earth like years).

It's easier to just assume that the dates are wrong. Those canoes that make more sense if they turned up after MoI? (Big clue there.) A migration of that scale would have been noticed in MT if it happened before or during that book, so it probably happened later.

On the other hand, it's not like time travel's completely unheard of...

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