Mon
Apr 23 2012 11:00am

A Read of The Dark Tower: Constant Reader Tackles Wizard and Glass, Riddles, Chapters 3 and 4: “The Fair-Day Goose” and “Topeka”

“Cast your nets, wanderers! Try me with your questions, and let the contest begin.”

—Blaine the Mono, to Roland and the Ka-Tet, at the end of The Waste Lands

Welcome to A Read of the Dark Tower series. Join me each week as I, Constant Reader, tackle the magnum opus of Stephen King’s career for the first time. If you want to discuss in general terms or talk about these first sections, join me by commenting here.

When we last left our fivesome (including Oy), four of them were awaiting their fates with dying hope of being saved from joining Blaine’s suicide run. He’d easily answered their riddles except for the ones in Jake’s book. But Eddie Dean’s been lost in thought…

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: The Fair-Day Goose, Section 1

Eddie is still, in the immortal words of Henry, “zonin’, drawn continually to the image of Jake trying to strike the flint and steel to start a campfire. He thinks of a time when Henry, acting out of character, had actually praised Eddie, saying if he had to choose who to back him in a fight, it would be his younger brother. “Because when Eddie’s in that f’ing zone, he could talk the devil into setting himself on fire.”

Eddie teases the memory out of himself, finally recalling that Roland asked Jake a riddle to calm his nerves.

What Constant Reader Learns: We’re told that Eddie doesn’t know Roland sometimes thinks of him as “ka-mai, ka’s fool.” But that’s not the impression I’ve gotten. He does think Roland belittles him or is condescending toward him at times. So he might not realize Roland uses those exact words, but I think he does know Roland doesn’t respect him.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: The Fair-Day Goose, Section 2

The route map shows Blaine and his passengers zeroing in on Topeka, and Jake feels vibration underneath him as Blaine pushes his engines to the limit. “Twenty-five minutes,” Blaine says. “Would you try me again, Gunslinger?” But Roland says no, that Blaine has beaten him. He turns the show over to Jake, who gets to his feet and begins to ask the hardest riddles from the back of Riddle-de-Dum. Again, Blaine answers them easily and he believes it inevitable that he, the Mono, will win the Fair-Day Goose, with fewer than twenty minutes to go.

Jake returns to his seat with Oy, and Blaine asks Roland and Susannah if they have more riddles, to which they say no. Only then does Eddie speak. “Blaine,” he says, “I have a couple of riddles.”

What Constant Reader Learns: Jake feels a heart-tugging wave of homesickness as he stands before Blaine’s route map, reading riddles: “He would have sold his soul for a look at New York; hell, he would have sold it for one deep lung-filling breath of Forty-second Street at rush hour.” And yet, I think given the choice to go back, he wouldn’t leave Roland. He’s just tired of Blaine and his games and, like the others (except Eddie in la-la-ville), doesn’t hold out much hope of winning. Hm. I seem to be contradicting Stephen King a lot. This is probably not good.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: The Fair-Day Goose, Section 3

Eddie finally makes the connection—the night Roland had helped Jake with the fire, he’d asked a riddle. Then Eddie remembers making a joke, and Roland had belittled him for it. But what Eddie realizes is that Roland thinks of riddles logically, as Blaine does in his computerized way. Silly jokes that Roland doesn’t get, Blaine might not get either—or might find annoying, even if he does get them. Eddie remembers “trying to tell Roland that jokes were riddles designed to help you build up the often overlooked talent” of thinking around corners, but Roland had ignored him.

What Constant Reader Learns: I said earlier that in some ways, with his silly mimickry of old movie actors, Blaine reminded me of Eddie. Yet it’s Eddie’s pure goofiness, not a learned process but that which he comes by naturally, that trips Blaine up. So I guess they’re more opposites than anything.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: The Fair-Day Goose, Section 4

“Speak, Eddie of New York,” Blaine says. Eddie repeats his first riddle: “What has four wheels and flies?” (The town garbage truck.) “I found it exceedingly stupid,” Blaine says of that riddle. “Perhaps that’s why you asked it again. Like calls to like, Eddie of New York, is it not so.”

Eddie’s having fun now. He’s intentionally angering Blaine, which will tax the computer brain even more as it tries to solve nonsensical riddles. When Little Blaine warns him that Big Blaine is getting mad, Eddie tells him to get lost. Finally, he asks a riddle that ticks Blaine off to the point he doesn’t want to answer.

Finally, Roland’s catching on. “Are you saying that you cry off?” he asks Blaine. “Answer now or I declare the contest over and our ka-tet the winner.” Blaine answers, but he’s not happy.

The lights in the coach begin to flicker, and the walls of the Barony Coach fade in and out.

By this point, Eddie’s confident of winning the contest, but he isn’t confident Blaine will save them. He keeps asking his riddles, though, and Blaine’s answers grow increasingly uncertain. The further they go, the more unstable Blaine—and the mono itself—become, and Little Blaine warns that they’re killing Big Blaine.

Now the mono is lurching and stalling for time: “No temporal limits for answering were set, Roland of Gilead, hateful gunslinger out of a past that should have stayed dead.” But Roland tells him he can’t crash them with a riddle left unanswered. “Answer or give up the goose, Blaine.”

The route map blows up, but Eddie can’t stop talking (and remembers Roland once telling him he’d probably die talking). “The battle-fire had dropped over him, burning him everywhere with its righteous heat, sizzling his sight, frying his synapses and roasting his heart in its holy glow. He had Blaine in his sights, and although the thing behind the voice was already mortally wounded, he was unable to stop squeezing the trigger: I shoot with my mind.” But not just his mind. He pulls Roland’s gun and puts all six rounds into the hole where the route map had been. And as Blaine dies, he says in a childlike voice, a childlike curse: “I’ll hate you forever.”

What Constant Reader Learns: Gotta cheer Eddie on this one after he’s been so belittled by not only Roland but Blaine.

As Blaine suffers his final meltdown (or at least I hope it’s his final meltdown but one can never be sure), he lapses into infant-speak, then French, then into a rousing rendition of ZZ Top’s “Velcro Fly.” Wonder why Stephen King chose this song, of all songs, to fixate on? I’m itching to hear “LaGrange” now.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: The Fair-Day Goose, Section 5

As the sounds fade, Roland realizes Blaine’s engines have quit and they’re now gliding along the monorail track—and possibly close enough to the end to crash. He leads them to the back of the coach and warns them to stay clear of the piano-slash-harpsichord that sits on its pedestal. They all lie down and wrap their arms over their heads.

Finally, Roland apologizes to Eddie. “How the wheel of ka turns,” he says. “Once I had to ask the same of my friend Cuthbert, and for the same reason. There’s a kind of blindness in me. An arrogant blindness.” Eddie could be crowing over this, but he’s uncomfortable having Roland apologize. “You can’t help your nature, Roland,” he says. Ro considers this and realizes this is an idea that has never, ever occurred to him. That not just him but his very nature is a captive of ka.

Before there can be singing of “Kumbaya,” Blaine the Mono crashes. Roland hits the front wall and Jake barely escapes the piano/harpsichord, but no one is seriously injured, and a hatch pops open above them, letting in hazy daylight.

What Constant Reader Learns: As soon as Blaine dies, his healing of Jake’s injured hand from Oy’s bite is dead as well. But never fear, Roland notes, they have enough “astin” left to treat it. I can think of no other speech impediment Roland has that would prevent him from actually pronouncing “asperin,” but it’s a funny quirk.

Blaine’s demise was great, with Eddie firing bad jokes at him so fast it fried his circuits. The final crash seemed a little anticlimactic in comparison. But never fear, this is Stephen King. New horrors will await, I have no doubt.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: The Fair-Day Goose, Section 6

“First aid can wait,” Eddie says, referring to Jake’s hand—they need to get moving. With Roland carrying Oy inside his shirt, they climb the ladder out of the hatch. Eddie hangs behind a moment, and imagines Henry telling him “good job.”

What Constant Reader Learns: I’ve thought this before, but I’ll think it again. Maybe Eddie has finally put the bad Henry stuff behind him. Now…what awaits us outside???

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: Topeka, Section 1

Jake stands on the roof of Blaine and is shocked at what he sees—not a smaller version of Lud, as he expected, but a green highway road sign: Highway 70. “Holy sh*t,” Eddie says. “Are we back home?” Then Susannah spots another sign: “Kansas Turnpike.”

Roland says they’re far beyond the boundaries of the world he knows. He stops mid-sentence when he hears something, and urges them to listen. Jake thinks the sound is the “auditory version of biting a lemon.” But he realizes he has heard the sound before—in Central Park, where a crazy guy was playing a saw—“a wavery, trembly, metallic sound that made you feel like your sinuses were filling up and your eyes would shortly begin to gush water.”

But something’s wrong in the way Roland reacts—his face goes white, eyes wide and blank, mouth twitching. “Jonas and Reynolds and Depape,” he says. “The Big Coffin Hunters. And her. The Coos. They were the ones. They were the ones who…Oh Susan. Oh, my dear.” And then he almost falls off the top of the mono.

What Constant Reader Learns: Funny exchange here where Eddie wonders why, if Blaine has been stopping in his Topeka, nothing has been on “Sixty Minutes.” Susannah wonders what “Sixty Minutes is.” “TV show,” Eddie says. “Old white guys in ties.”

What fresh hell is this? Do we finally learn more about Susan?

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: Topeka, Section 2

The others catch Roland and form a protective ring around him, and Roland feels guilty. He wants to tell them he’s okay but he can’t get the words out. The sound has transported him back to a box canyon west of Hambry. He recalls having a broken heart and, all these years later, reflects that the most horrible fact of human existence was that broken hearts mended. He recalls lines from a poem but can’t remember their origin: “My first thought was, he lied in every word/That hoary cripple, with malicious eye…”

Niether Eldred Jonas nor the crone on the hill had been of Marten’s stature—nor even of Walter’s—when it came to evil, he thinks.

Finally, he emerges from his funk. “I’m all right,” he tells the others. “But hear me well: this is very close to where Mid-World ends, very close to where End-World begins. The first great course of our quest is finished. We have done well; we have remembered the faces of our fathers; we have stood together and been true to one another. But now we have come to a thinny. We must be very careful.”

A thinny, we’re told, is a place where the “fabric of existence” is worn away. The waste lands beyond Lud had been one of those places. Susannah wants to hear about Susan, but Roland tells her she has to wait—they need to get off Blaine.

What Constant Reader Learns: Susannah remembers Jake’s guy with the saw in Central Park, but in her When, the guy was young. Another interesting glimpse of ka at work early?

A lot of names and references from Roland, but none of them mean anything at this point.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: Topeka, Section 3

Getting off the husk of Blaine isn’t so easy since it’s 25 feet from their perch to the cement. Roland rummages in his man-purse and finds the deerskin harness he used to carry Susannah earlier, then reties it into a rope seat of sorts. He and Eddie lower Jake and Oy down to the train terminal, which says “Atchison, Topeka, and Santa Fe.”

Roland’s mind keeps going back to Susan, and Eddie has to repeat himself to bring Ro back to the present. Eddie goes next, with Roland and Susannah lowering him.

Next it’s Susannah’s turn, and she hesitates, rubbing her stomach. Roland asks if she’s hurt but she tells him—as he’d told her earlier—they’d talk about it later. But Roland is secretly suspicious and hopes he’s wrong about her being pregnant—because she’d been with the demon in the speaking ring, and often, “demonic contact changed things.” And never for the better.

Once Suze is down, Roland ties the end of the rope around one of the piers at the end of the monorail and lowers himself. He’s able to snap the rope—a trick learned from Cort—and retrieve it.

What Constant Reader Learns: We haven’t seen many references until now of how the travelers have changed. But early in the chapter we see that Jake’s hair has grown long, and that Eddie, without his drugs, has put on ten or fifteen pounds of muscle.

Just before lowering her, Roland smiles at Susannah and we’re told “it felt more natural to smile these days.” Because Ro’s feeling more at ease with his companions? Because they’re learning to trust each other?

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: Topeka, Section 4

The saw-playing sound of the thinny is heard again, and they decide to go around it. Roland likens it to swamps with quicksand and “saligs,” or alligators. Susannah wonders if Beryl Evans, the woman who wrote Charlie the Choo-Choo is part of this When and if they might meet her. Roland doesn’t think so. “My world is like a huge ship that sank near enough shore for most of the wreckage to wash up on the beach. Much of what we find is fascinating…but it is still wreckage.”

Eddie notes that the train station isn’t really wreckage—the glass isn’t broken and even the dust would indicate that it was maintained as recently as early in the summer. The true ka-tet shares a joke about “The Twilight Zone.” Eddie points out that he thinks they’ve crossed into another world from Lud, although he isn’t sure where it happened.

Jake looks in the window and suddenly says, “Uh-oh.” Roland comes to look but he’d already deduced that while this was a train station, it wasn’t a Blaine station, and that it was Eddie’s, Jake’s, and Susannah’s world, but not necessarily their When.

Two corpses lean on a bench. Over their skulls is a departure board, naming Denver, Wichita, and Omaha. There is also a big four-sided clock whose hands had stopped at 4:14.

They find a single newspaper and read the headline:

Captain Trips Superflu Rages Unchecked: Govt. Leaders May Have Fled Country; Topeka Hospitals Jammed with Sick, Dying Millions. Pray for Cure.

Roland wants them to read the paper to him since it is in their language, so they unfold the paper and see a “fottergraf” of Cleveland in flames. Jake begins to read.

What Constant Reader Learns: Odd little scene where Jake sees a newspaper box and wants a quarter to buy a paper. Eddie’s lost his change, and Susannah’s digging in her purse when Ro pulls out his gun and just shoots the thing. Thank you. Who’s going to arrest them for breaking into a newspaper box?

Woo-hoo! Captain Trips. I feel as if the ka-tet has entered my When.

 

Wizard and Glass, “Riddles”: Topeka, Section 5

Jake reads the story, which says the Captain Trips superflu is spreading. From 20 to 30 million people are dead in the U.S. alone. Bodies are being burned. There’s instructions on where Topekans should take their dead. Train and air travel has been canceled. Schools are closed. National leaders have fled to underground retreats. Vice-president Bush and key members of the Reagan cabinet have not been seen, nor has Reagan himself.

In addition to slipping into another time, the ka-tet realizes they’ve also slipped off the path of the Beam, which doesn’t seem visible in their current When. And so they set off in search of it again.

What Constant Reader Learns: Um…Okay. Here’s a sign of the breakdown of time as we know it. The Stand’s uncut version takes place in 1990. Wizard and Glass places Captain Trips in 1986. The events in the original version of The Stand took place in 1985. And Eddie came into Roland’s world a year after the paper was printed, yet he doesn’t know anything about Captain Trips. Roland figures they’re in the When of Captain Trips. “There are many possible worlds, and an infinity of doors leading into them. This is one of those worlds; the thinny we can hear is one of those doors, only one much bigger than the ones we found on the beach.” *Suzanne scratches head.*


That’s it for this week! Next week—same time, same place—we’ll continue our read of Wizard and Glass, beginning with “Turnpikin’.”

26 comments
Marcus W
1. toryx
Yep, it's pretty clear to me that this particular world or level of the Dark Tower or whatever is different from those depicted in either versions of The Stand.

My favorite part about this? It basically allows King to have both versions of The Stand be true at the same time. They're just stories of different worlds. Awesome.

After waiting for so long to get this book, I was so thrilled to read that they were in Captain Trips Topeka. That just made my day.
Emmet O'Brien
2. EmmetAOBrien
As one of the people who waited on tenterhooks every second between The Waste Land's original release and Wizard and Glass, the resolution of the riddle contest with Eddie telling silly jokes is among the things I like least about the series as a whole; breaking hostile computers with illogic was a hoary and unsatisfactory trope even back when Captain Kirk did it. (Real computers are far too perverse for me to believe in riddles making a dent in one that was actively hostile.)
Risha Jorgensen
3. RishaBree
Like @toryx notes, I'm pretty sure that this is a different version of the Captain Trips world, though that doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't bad stuff happening out West as we speak. And as the next couple of sections makes clear, this is most definitely not their level of the Tower, no matter the When.

I noted a long time back that not all of the ways between worlds are guarded, and we're starting to see them.

I've always took Roland's difficulties with words like "asperin" and "photograph" to mean that those are combinations of sounds that wouldn't occur in his language. God knows I can't pronounce a rr to save my life, even after 3 years of middle school Spanish. It makes me wonder if Eddie, Susannah, or Jake are mispronouncing anything and just don't know it. Words like "ka" seem straightforward enough, but they wouldn't necessarily catch it if the word isn't actually "commala", right?
Lsana
4. Lsana
I did like Eddie blowing Blaine's mind with stupid jokes. It does strike me as the best way for the riddle game to end. It would have been unreasonable for them to be able to beat this super computer at his own game--much better that they figured out how to change the game. Two things did annoy me about this section, though:

1. I was disappointed that Susannah played so little role in the ending of the riddle game. When the subject of riddles first came up in the last book, Roland said she was the only member of the ka-tet from our world who really got the importance of riddles. She ought to have had some role at least in this contest. Instead, she barely does more than Oy.

2. Personal pet peeve, but I didn't like Susannah referring to Susan as "the girl with my name." Susannah is not the same name as Susan, and neither of those are the same as Suzanne. As someone who spent all of high school trying to convince people that her name wasn't Susan or Susannah, I get extremely annoyed when people declare any of those three names interchangable.
Lsana
5. Improbable Joe
I'm forced to assume that Stephen King read Heinlein's Number of the Beast... and watched Star Trek.

I don't care if it doesn't make sense that Eddie can beat a computer with silly games, I just care that he did it and was awesome! Had to laugh at the game Portal 2, that had a riff on the whole "break a computer by throwing illogic at it".
Lsana
6. StrongDreams
I never bothered with checking the dates of the superflu epidemics in different versions of The Stand. I just assumed King was sloppy, not that he was intentionally creating multiple histories that existed on different levels of the Tower.

And yes, breaking computers with illogic is not the best way to resolve the problem. Although in this case, Blaine was already breaking down and insane (recall that Patricia was not a separate computer, but an internal subsystem, and that therefore Blaine had already self-terminated a significant part of himself) so maybe it's not so bad in the long run.

Also remember that Blaine was programmed to serve humankind, and he promised to take them to their destination unharmed if they won. Blaine was trying to find a way around his promise. In his arrogance he couldn't admit that the humans were smarter than him, that he had underestimated them, so he self-terminated as the only chance of killing them without violating his programming to serve them.
Lsana
7. ZinaLu
According to Wikipedia Susan and Susannah are variations of the same name. and of course Wikipedia is always right. :)
Lsana
8. Lsana
@7,

Yes, they're variations of the same name, derived from the Hebrew Shoshannah, but they are not in fact the same name. Sort of like Hannah and Nancy are both derivations of the same name, but you shouldn't go around calling the Speaker of the House Hannah Pelosi.

Like I said, just a personal pet peeve.
Matthew Hunter
9. matthew1215
On defeating computers with illogic: while it's *possible* to trip up a computer that tries to logically evaluate everything in that manner, it seems to me that an artificial intelligence is going to be, by nature, relatively immune to such tricks -- that's one of the defining characteristics of intelligence, ie, the ability to say "That doesn't make sense, so I'll stop worrying about it and move on." We already have existing limited-logic computational engines that can try to comprehend natural language using the rules of logic, and we already know those don't work (with failure modes that trip frequently in ordinary conversation). Blaine wouldn't have been built from a system that couldn't handle that sort of thing. (Arguably, he may have been determined to solve the riddle and kept overriding the errors so to speak; still, I agree the solution to the riddle game is a little off).

What I would have liked to see here, rather than silly riddles, is a solution that makes use of ambiguity and infinity. Consider the following:

1) Each member of the ka-tet comes up with a riddle that has at least two possible correct answers.

2) Which answer is correct depends upon the riddle asked immediately before that riddle, by another member of the ka-tet.

3) The first riddle asked depends on the answer to the last riddle for its own correct answer.

4) Each time you come back to the first riddle, the correct answer changes from one possible value to the other possible value, causing the answers to the all the other riddles to change and forcing Blaine to follow the sequence again.

What you end up with is a sort of crude linguistically-programmed infinite loop. It wouldn't catch a human, who would eventually simply get bored, but it could easily *distract* Blaine from such mundane things as suiciding the train while he spun in the infinite loop -- and as a bonus, it's reminiscent of common programming errors in the real world that could cause a computer to crash or hang.

I'm not so much unhappy with this ending as I am regretful of the missed opportunity to do something neat.
Suzanne Johnson
10. SuzanneJohnson
@Lsana...As someone who has spent most of her life correcting people who pronounce my name "Susan," I totally get where you're coming from. Also a pet peeve here.

I also was disappointed that Susannah didn't have a bigger role in the Blaine resolution, but I was glad for Eddie to have his moment as the star, and Roland's acknowledgment that Eddie's particular brand of silliness was the only thing that saved them.

I was surprised that Riddle-de-Dum didn't really have a role in the riddling game. Did I miss something, or does it come into play later?
Matthew Hunter
11. matthew1215
@10: Eddie won by asking "dum" riddles, so maybe that counts.
Lsana
13. CallahanOTheRoads
@RishaBree- About Roland's problems with "Astin" and "cheflet"- It always bugged the hell out of me to remember from DOT3 that Roland did not recognize the letter "H", but had been to Hambry and knew Odetta Holmes, among others.
I always liked the way that SK manages to mention his other stories in passing and/or in great detail.
Risha Jorgensen
14. RishaBree
@CallahanOTheRoads - Hah! Fair point, and I had forgotten that. Was it that he wasn't familiar with the letter at all, or that he just didn't recognize the letter as written in the English alphabet? Because those are two entirely different things. I can't remember the section that was in to look it up myself.
Lsana
15. Gatsby
I was satisfied with Eddie's joke/riddles until I read @Matthew1215's idea. King was probably going for that effect but didn't quite get there. Granted, after the second book I waited for the eventual end of the series to read through it in one go. If I'd had to wait for Wizards and Glass for years, the contest hanging in limbo, I might have felt jilted.
craig thrift
16. gagecreedlives
From memory there was another King story involving a superflu in Night Shift and Im pretty sure that book was published in the 70s. So in short if your living in King's multiverse and you get the sniffles it's time to be worried.
Suzanne Johnson
17. SuzanneJohnson
@Gatsby, you have a good point. The resolution of the contest didn't bother me in its silliness, but then again I started W&G within 24 hours of finishing TWL. Had I waited six years for that resolution, after TWL ending on such a cliffhanger, I might have felt very differently.
Lsana
18. StrongDreams
For all that it was rather silly to defeat the computer with illogic, defeating Blaine with some kind of nested super logic puzzle would have been much worse. Neither Eddie nor Roland is particularly bright, in the conventional sense, and Jake is 10, and Susannah almost flunked math. Putting the answer in the riddle book would have been one more instance of deus ex King in a series that is peppered with them later on. At least the solution we were given did grow organically from the personalities of Blaine and Eddie, and was foreshadowed almost from the beginning of Wastelands. Eddie grows, and Roland learns more about Eddie's hidden depths.
Matthew Hunter
19. matthew1215
@18: If by "some sort of nested super logic puzzle" you're referring to me, I don't think there's anything particularly super-logical about my proposed answer. It just takes two of the common points where traditional logic breaks down when applied to reality, and combines them in a way that might avoid the programming safeguards designed to avoid just one of them.

All you need to introduce the idea is to stick a mobius strip into the story somewhere for the characters to encounter it. ("Around the circle of riddles we go, *flip* the answers and around again") Foreshadow it a little by having Roland's riddling contests include group riddles that depend on each other, and maybe have them try a loop-trick that doesn't work and requires the sudden inspiration of a *twist* to change all the answers before you go around again.

I was one of the people who had to wait the full wait for Wizard and Glass, and when I did finally get it, I felt that King had written himself into a corner with the riddle game that he couldn't think of a good way past. We got a resolution, but not a very satisfactory one for the buildup, and King had written himself all the way up to what could have been the climax of the book and then... stopped, right where his inspiration hit a wall. Even if he could think of a good resolution to the riddle game, he couldn't go back and rewrite anything to fit in any backstory.

So. Yeah. Riddle game was disappointing, but not awful. It bounces hard against a cliche, and the story goes on, and the story going on past the rough spot is the important thing.
Lsana
20. The Gumslinger
It shows just how influenced King was by Tolkien. Blaine is not only a pain, he's a gollum, and the gunslinger ka'tet is Bilbo. Tolkien has a very unsatisfactory ending to the riddle game between Bilbo and Gollum, and even admits it, but covers himself with the argument that once Gollum had bitten, and attempted to answer, he was bound by the rules of the game.

It would appear that King has done the same thing here ... gollum ghosh ...
Marcus W
21. toryx
I didn't mind Eddie's trick to defeat Blaine. It's not like Blaine was in all that good a shape as an AI. Split personalities, delusions of grandeur and craving to death are all plenty of symptoms that were set-up well in advance to make Eddie's trick a little more effective than if it was used against a regular, stable, AI.

After waiting for so many years, I was just glad the situation was resolved. My disappointment with this book comes later.
Suzanne Johnson
22. SuzanneJohnson
@Gumslinger...I had forgotten about the riddling between Bilbo and Gollum...and yes, that was pretty unsatisfactory too, as I recall.

@toryx....Uh-oh. Disappointment ahead?
Lsana
23. TrickyFreak
Okay. Like @Gatsby there, I was perfectly content with Eddie's flash of illogic brilliance, until @matthew1215 came along and I was like, that's bloody brilliant!!! Although, @StrongDreams does have a point too. Also, I think the reason why Blaine got so utterly destroyed with illogic is (to expound on @toryx's explanation) because Blaine has become too human; i.e., he is flawed in a sense that he wouldn't've simply remained empirical when faced with Eddie's jokes. Also, remember that we were told that Blaine "won't play silly games" and we musn't "ask him silly questions" (well, it was actually Blaine's Twinner, Charlie, but it's all the same, innit?) so maybe it really just was a quirk in his programming. (In fact, for the rest of the DT series many other machines—those are still functional—are seen to have such little quirks. This makes me excited for Wolves of the Calla.)

(Btw, I seriously laughed hard on deus ex King. XD )

I've read the DT series first before The Stand (silly me) so this part was a different experience. For one, it made reading The Stand all the more connected to the Stephen-King-dom, what with Captain Trips and the epic R.F. The discrepancies on the years Captain Trips occured can be attributed to King's sleazy writing but isn't it just more beautiful to think it is intended to imply different levels of the Tower?

And now, we go to Susan's story. Can't tell if I'm excited or not.
Lsana
24. Andy T.
Man, I totally missed this weeks post and flurry of responses, and I'd been waiting for this one for a while now! Darn. Was busy Monday and forgot totally on Tuesday.

Anyway, back in the comments in the middle of DT3, when Roland first dissed Eddie and his jokes, I said there would be a payoff coming up, and this, of course, was it. I've also said I felt DT2 and DT3 both well structured books... and they are. However part of the structure of DT3 was that very setup, and for King to lollygag into a next volume that took years to write and publish is, in retrospect, extremely annoying. He even acknowledged that in the afterword to DT3. I think he must have had the method of the resolution of that cliffhanger clearly in his mind, if not the actual jokes and stuff. But to not plow through and include it there... that annoyed me more than anything else.

I guess part of that annoyance was that I didn't even "see" the ending coming. I should have. I think it's pretty obvious now. I did not feel cheated at all by it, it was "eventual" as a certain DT tie-in character will someday say. But with 6 years of trying to think of "just what riddle will they use to beat Blaine" and not thinking of jokes... ugh!!

I did like they emerged into one of SK's other worlds. Considering how many of these worlds ended up getting tied to the DT, this was as good as any place for that sort of thing to start. Jake said it back in DT1 "go then, there are other worlds than these" - which gave SK what amounts to a HUGE amount of territory to draw upon. And here, you see him start to do that drawing.
Lsana
25. Jenny C.
Blaine strikes me as being obsessed with riddle logic the way only ancient crazy hyper-computers or people with Autuism-related disorders could be. I've seen people with Asperger's have complete mental breakdowns when confronted with facts or opinions that didn't fit in with the way they thought the world ought to work, so it's not so strange to me that a highly intelligent and insane computer blows his circuits over riddles which go against everything he likes about riddles.

I think it's funnier how Eddie takes several hours of absolute concentration to figure out the connecting pattern between exactly two, very similar incidents. How much brain tissue did he dissolve with those drugs he used to take?
Michael Maxwell
26. pike747
Late to this party but I suppose I am glad to have missed everyone dissing one of my favorite scenes.
I think you all miss the point
"I shoot with my mind!"

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