Fri
May 28 2010 10:19am
Doctor Who S5, EP6: “The Vampires of Venice”

There’s something fishy about Doctor Who this series. First, it was Fish Custard. Then, there was a space whale. Now, it’s Fish From Space.

Bird’s Eye should make The Doctor their spokesperson.

“The Vampires of Venice,” written by Toby Whithouse, doesn’t actually have anything to do with vampires. Alien piranhas, more like. The Saturnynians, whose queen has saved the males after their planet was destroyed, arrived in 16th century Venice, where their queen plans to sink the already waterbound city and create and repopulate a new home. Repopulate a new home with only males? Yeah, The Doctor noticed that, too. Turns out that the plan is to round up suitable single young women, turn them into their kind in a vampire-like fashion, and pair them with the Piranha Boys.

Of course, all that isn’t really what this episode of Doctor Who is about, either. It’s about Rory and The Doctor whipping them out and seeing whose is bigger.

Then Amy whips hers out, and it’s bigger than both of theirs combined.

Oh, Amy.

“The Vampires of Venice” kind of makes me want to write an episode of Doctor Who and title it “Ménage à TARDIS,” (©Teresa Jusino) as Rory thoroughly casts off “Tin Dog” status and proves himself to be a man, and a boyfriend, to be reckoned with. For once, The Doctor feels threatened, and it’s clear he’s unprepared for fiancé backtalk.

As I’ve been watching “classic” Who, I’ve really enjoyed the times when The Doctor has traveled as part of a trio. It’s a great dynamic, particularly when The Doctor travels with a man and a woman: Doctor, Barbara, Ian; Doctor, Vicki, Steven; Doctor Polly, Ben; Doctor, Zoe, Jamie. Even when romance is hinted at, as in the case of Ian and Barbara for example, it’s never allowed to overshadow the adventure of the episode, and it doesn’t include The Doctor. While I certainly have no problem with The Doctor being a sexual being (in 900 years…you’re gonna have some sex!), and I don’t have a problem with him falling in love with a companion or two, in the new series it’s become a thing. There’s been a romantic element between Doctor and companion for both Nine and Ten; requited in the case of Rose, unrequited in the case of Martha, and overemphasized as a non-issue with Donna, an expected thing that had to be constantly refuted or clarified. Hell, even Jack Harkness kissed The Doctor.

Now, with Eleven and Amy, all the press leading up to their debut and a majority of the subsequent fan reaction seem to be expecting them to get it on, despite the comments to the contrary from Moffat, Smith, and Gillan. Despite the kisses on Amy’s forehead, and despite the fact that she’s going to be marrying someone else. Yes, she kissed The Doctor at the end of the last episode, but in that moment she was a child seeking adult comfort. (I know that in my last review I praised her as a sexually confident woman—but check out the comments on that review. I’ve revised my opinion.) There was nothing loving about it. As of right now, I’d say that on both sides there’s nothing romantic between them. Do they love each other? Yes. But they aren’t in love with each other.

Which brings us back to the wonderful Rory, played by the incredibly talented Arthur Darvill. Rory is great, because not since Ian Chesterton has there been a man traveling in the TARDIS with the Doctor. They’ve all been boys, despite their ages, but Rory is most definitely a Man, which is beneficial to both Amy and The Doctor. Amy needs someone mature to be her anchor, to balance her. The Doctor needs someone to challenge him, so that he can be better and not take his own superiority for granted. Rory is capable of doing both. I couldn’t help but compare him to Mickey, Rose’s love interest who did some time in the TARDIS. Mickey asked Nine to lie to Rose so that she wouldn’t find out that he was too afraid to go traveling with them. Rory asked Eleven to lie in order to get Amy back in the TARDIS to keep her safe. Rose had to lead a frightened Mickey around all the time, while Amy has, in Rory, the benefit of someone who thinks this time travel business is really cool. Mickey’s the kind of guy who’d leave Rose when she’s just gone through something scary to go watch some game on TV. Rory’s the kind of guy who drunkenly calls Amy from his stag party to tell her he loves her just before the stripper shows up. Mickey was always scared senseless even with a big gun, or even behind a computer screen. Rory acquits himself well in a fight despite his fear using only a broom. Most importantly, Mickey always deferred to The Doctor. Rory, from the very beginning, would never give up equal footing.

While these qualities might make a lesser character a chauvinist, it’s clear that Rory doesn’t want to dampen down anything about Amy. He jumps in to protect her only when absolutely necessary, and as he’s known her since they were children he knows what a strong-willed Alpha Female she is; he chooses to marry her anyway, most likely because of the kind of person she is. When Amy slighted Rory with sarcastic remarks, or made him pretend to be her brother and not her fiancé, I wanted to strangle her, because Rory is completely undeserving of her bad attitude. Even better, he didn’t silently sulk in those moments. Mickey would’ve sulked until forced to explode in a childish fit of rage. Rory calls Amy on her crap just as easily as he calls The Doctor on his. Rory and Amy are good partners for each other. Thankfully, Amy came to her senses, kissed him, and invited him to travel with them in the TARDIS. I look forward to watching them become champions for each other, with The Doctor there to lead them along, their shared adventures forging an unbreakable bond between them.

Now that I’m done praising Rory to the skies, I have to point out that this is the funniest we’ve seen Matt Smith since fish custard. His Ricky Gervais-esque awkwardness when coming out of the cake at the stag party was priceless, and his entire performance showed his extensive range. For me, he’s already blown away David Tennant a million times over, and this episode pretty much cemented that opinion for me.

The story itself was great, in that it was fast-paced and unobtrusive. The Saturnynian plot was just clever enough to be interesting, while just simple enough to allow the real story—the story of how The Doctor brought Rory into the fold to remind Amy why she loves him and how they come to function as a unit—to shine. This was a great episode, and a wonderful introduction to the newest member of Team TARDIS.

My only question? How in the hell did Rory’s stag party shirt fit that Venetian? Rory is a skinny dude, and Isabella’s father is a big guy! I guess it, like the TARDIS, is bigger on the inside?


Teresa Jusino was born on the same day that Skylab fell. Coincidence? She doesn’t think so. She is a contributor to PinkRaygun.com, a webzine examining geekery from a feminine perspective. Her work has also been seen on PopMatters.com, on the sadly-defunct literary site CentralBooking.com, edited by Kevin Smokler, and in the Elmont Life community newspaper. She is currently writing a web series for Pareidolia Films called The Pack, which is set to debut Fall 2010! Get Twitterpated with Teresa, Follow The Pack or visit her at The Teresa Jusino Experience.

33 comments
Maac
1. Maac
I really, really could have lived without the whole "Oh thank you Doctor for helping me control my unruly woman" subtext. No wait, it wasn't subtext, it was text. No more of that, please. Very "Taming of the Shrew." That was extremely disturbing.

RTD has this really disconcerting habit of, approaching female characters in the following manner:

"I'm going to write an awesome woman character. You're going to love her. Aren't you grateful? She's beautiful, capable, funny, she can do ANYTHING, she can even pwn the Doctor! Smug, intrusive b*tch thinks she's so special, man don't I feel sorry for my poor male character who is just so overwhelmed and exhausted having to put up with her at all, can't get a word in until he explodes in a desperate inspirational speech of freedom but a speech that is VERY FUNNY don't you feel his pain I'm sorry I mean isn't my female character empowered and capable and wonderful? You love her! You do!!"

It's a pattern from his Coupling days, and the frustrating thing is that *yes*, I *do* rather like his female characters VERY MUCH until all the men around her start moping about how oppressive she is. (Or they get patently and bluntly dumbed down, Dalek-era-Churchill-esque style, to make her basic common sense seem more like brilliance.)

I do not want this done to my lovely Amy. I do not want her controlled and I do not want to see other characters vying for such control, or making me sympathize with them for lacking it.

(And I *loved* Coupling. And I'm kind of angry at myself for that.)
Teresa Jusino
2. TeresaJusino
@Maac

Wow. You and I have very different interpretations of what's being done with Amy - as well as very different interpretations of Taming of the Shrew! :)

In Taming of the Shrew, Kate had problems! She was a Strong Woman...but she also wouldn't let anyone - men, her own sister, anyone - get very close to her. She hated the world. It wasn't as if she was ONLY a victim of her gender and circumstances - she needed someone to call her on her bullshit, and she found someone who did that. I love that play, because Kate learns that being "subservient" doesn't always mean being "weak."

Being "strong" doesn't always mean getting your way or getting it right.

I am a woman, and I very much like rights and equality. I am a feminist. The thing is, there's a difference between a Strong Woman and a reckless one. Right now, Amy is both. She has a lot of growing up to do. She's a wonderful character, not because she's a paragon of female strength, but because she's complex. That's what I want from my female characters more than anything else. I want them to be respected enough as human beings that they are multifaceted. They are not just ass-kicking women. They kick ass, definitely, but they're also flawed. They aren't perfect, and yet they are confident enough in themselves to make decisions for themselves. And when their decisions are wrong, they learn something. I don't see Rory or the Doctor as holding her back at all. But I DO think they call her on her shit from time to time. And I think she needs it. I think THEY need it too. I think this is all very balanced.
Ursula L
3. Ursula
So, there is the Doctor and "his companions." There is Amy and "her boys."

How should the other two be characterized in relation to Rory?
Maac
4. Maac
In terms of literature, I don't like the term "Strong Woman" for a variety of reasons, which would result in a long dissertation and would just be really unwieldy and tangential. :-) The main thing is, I'm not trying to position Amy as a "strong woman." I'm trying to position her as an Adult Person.

They can call her on her shit (I actually found the Doctor's appearance in the cake and that whole handling/solving of the "Amy kissed me, come take her on a date her right now" situation very funny and appropriate, if awkward) -- but her shit needs to be call-able, if that makes sense. "I'm coming with you" isn't "shit" and "I AM IN CHARGE YOU WILL DO WHAT I SAY RAAAAH!" followed by Amy flouncing off like a 10 year old was not the most effective way, for me, to illustrate a nice system of checks and balances. He's not her dad, she's not his child, and Rory's whispered "thank you!" is unpleasant icing on an unsavory cake. (If he needs help "handling" her, he is marrying her why? Marrying her in a matter of hours, in his timeline, even.)

I don't actually mind the Doctor being paternalistic and somewhat clueless as to how humans work, despite his great affection for them. He loves us, he has appointed himself our protector, but he doesn't completely "get" us. I *prefer* somewhat superior, somewhat distracted, somewhat Assholish Doctor to Emo Boyfriend Doctor, tenfold. (I never loved Ten's story arc better than when it became evident toward the end that he was actually believing in his "Time Lord Victorious" spiel for a while -- it showed him as fallible and quite dangerous, as opposed to having the narrative tell me I should approve of him just because. That was skillful stuff.) He's an alien, a superknowledgable, superlucky and long-lived one, and I like the awkwardness, I like his crazy bursts of anger ("No one human has anything to say to me today!"/ throwing the communicator in the last "Angels" episode). It reminds me of classic Who. (Or a more-affable sort of John Constantine. :-D)

But I can't take that particular scene *solely* in the context of "Doctor Who." In a larger context, it's a scene that gets played out all too often in entertainment media across the board (naggy, yappy woman vs henpecked man who finally rises up and puts her in her place) and I think its effects are harmful. Rory's pitiful "Thank you!" put it over the top for me (I don't particularly care to think of Rory as "pitiful" and "needing help" either. I like Rory and hope they keep him around -- I like having multiple companions. But I don't think every televised romantic relationship needs to be reenacted as some sort of power play/Apatow-esque gender war. It's lazy).

That said, it was one small moment in an otherwise fun episode, and if I didn't have the whole "Coupling" oeuvre to go on as well, I would not have reacted so strongly. (I'm also fairly disturbed now that I've realized how much the episodes on BBC America have been trimmed to fit in extra commercials. The limited-commercial version of "The Eleventh Hour," for example, is very subtly but very definitely a superior and more charming pieces of storytelling than the trimmed and chopped version we're now getting in the reruns. Lines cut, scenes trimmed, charm lost, Maac annoyed.)

So yes, I am judging from a somewhat bowdlerized product.

Not gonna touch "Taming of the Shrew." :-) I'm good with attributing it to a different time, different value system, and ignoring its existence for the time being.

And I wholly approve of all interaction between Doctor and Fish Lady. Excellent writing, excellent acting.
Gary Schaper
5. Garyfury
What I see going on here is Amy having feelings for Rory and the Doctor that are somewhat muddled up with each other, and the Doctor in particular attempting to help her get them straightened out.

(I don't see it as being about him doing this "for Rory." I don't think the Doctor much cares about Rory, initially, except as a component of Amy's happiness.)

She had the Doctor drop into and out of her life at a very impressionable age; she grew up with a fantasy based around him that she projected Rory into; after the Doctor's subsequent reappearance and disappearance when she was an adult, she developed a romance with Rory; she met the Doctor again and attempted to consummate her fantasy as an adult. (She says that being in mortal peril made her see things more clearly. I have my doubts about that.)

Is it controlling her, really, to set up a situation where she has the chance to see and decide more clearly what her feelings really are?

This gets way, way more textual with the next episode -- I mean, it's even called "Amy's Choice" and I'm really going to be interested in Teresa's take on it.
Mike Conley
6. NomadUK
TeresaJunio@2: Thanks, Teresa. I do get so tired of people being all apologetic (or apoplectic) about The Taming of the Shrew. Liz Taylor weak up against Richard Burton? Surely you jest.

And, yes, this dynamic is much more interesting than some of the past ones.
Maac
7. Maac
Addendum:

"and Rory's whispered "thank you!" is unpleasant icing on an unsavory cake."

Thinking it over, I have to revise this -- without that line I might not have had much of a problem with that scene at all.

"And, yes, this dynamic is much more interesting than some of the past ones."


This is not in dispute at all. At least not by me. For me, this is the best dynamic since the relaunch. (Or at least, a really hard choice between this and Catherine Tate.)
Paul Andinach
8. anobium
RTD has this really disconcerting habit


which clearly you feel strongly about -- but why do you bring it up in the context of this episode that RTD had nothing whatever to do with?
Maac
9. Maac
(Oh, but I'm sorry, Liz Taylor's brilliance notwithstanding, Katharina's last monologue is what it is, and it does not work for me and my understanding of the world and people. "Weak" or "not weak" doesn't even enter into it.

I'm comfortable with it as a relic from another time, and I can happily go see a nice performance of it, but I don't need to see it replayed/rewritten into my modern media as if it were still applicable.)
Maac
10. Maac
@ Anobium

"which clearly you feel strongly about -- but why do you bring it up in the context of this episode that RTD had nothing whatever to do with?"

Actually, I didn't realize he hadn't written this one! So my bad, there. But surely as showrunner he is not unaware of what is transpiring? Still, good call. Sorry.

And now I'm sort of overtaking the board, and I shall stop for a bit.
Ursula L
11. Ursula
Is it controlling her, really, to set up a situation where she has the chance to see and decide more clearly what her feelings really are?

To expand on this a bit, I see the Doctor's actions, in having Rory join them, as correcting an inadvertent faux pas he made when he finally go around to having Amy join him.

It is really tacky to show up the night before someone's wedding, and offer to take them away on a grand adventure, but making them choose between the adventure and their relationship. And the Doctor didn't mean to force Amy to make such a choice - he didn't realize she was getting married the next day. And while she could have spoken up, she doubtlessly feared that, if she seemed at all reluctant, she'd get left behind. Again.

Part of Amy's behavior towards the Doctor at the end of the last episode, telling him about her wedding plans and then attempting to seduce him, seemed to be a way of dealing with her perception that she had to choose between the Doctor and Rory, between the adventure and the domestic. If forced to choose, she's at a point where she'd choose the Doctor and the adventure, not because she doesn't love and want Rory, but because traveling with the Doctor is a once in a billion opportunity that she can't give up.

And the Doctor decides that she doesn't have to choose, and, more importantly, that he will not be a person to put her in the position of having to choose. If she wants, and if Rory wants, she can have both the relationship and the adventure.

(ETA: Contrast this with Nine, and his abhorrence of the domestic, and the way he makes Rose choose between him and her home life, whether it is leaving Micky behind, or skipping out when her mother has invited the the two of them for supper.)

And Rory doesn't force Amy to choose, either. At the end of this episode, he's willing to let her go with the Doctor, if that is what she chooses. But when given the option to travel with them, he jumps at the opportunity. And he does so without any attempt to define Amy's relationship with him, or her relationship with the Doctor.

The result is an equilibrium in the relationships, without jealousy. The Doctor is not jealous of Amy and Rory's sexuality or intimacy. Rory is not jealous of Amy and the Doctor's history and shared adventurousness. And Amy begins to learn to share her life with both men without trying to play them against each other, without trying to play up any potential jealousy or use her sexuality to manipulate them.
Maac
12. Ryvius
@Maac

Except that RTD isn't the showrunner any more. Stephen Moffat is.
Maac
13. Maac
@ Ryvius

DANGIT. I meant Moffat. Who also did "Coupling." I meant Moffat from the get-go. Please read all my "RTDs" as "Moffats." I am mortified. I officially hang my head in mortification.

This is what comes of sneaking in personal Internet time when one is meant to be concentrating at work. ;-)

*headdesk*
Maac
14. JoeNotCharles
I can't fathom how you could come up with that reading of Rory. What I saw was somebody who constantly let Amy boss him around, protesting weakly enough to make it clear that he disliked it but not nearly strongly enough to actually make a statement. Meanwhile she spent most of her attention on the Doctor and only barely noticed Rory's existence. I don't believe for a minute that these two were ever going to get married.
Alex Brown
15. Milo1313
Surprisingly enough, I don't have a whole helluva lot to say about this one. The ep was solidly meh for me. There was a lot more they could've done with the concept of vampirism, and 16th century Venice seemed as superfluous as 1st century Pompeii was to Donna. They could've used any city, and I think the premise would've worked better on a future planet than on historical Earth. But fine. Whatever.

I am a bit put out by how oddly unobservant Eleven's being. Sometimes he sees EVERYTHING, but more often than not it seems like he's not seeing anything at all. With the Bad Wolf arc, all the little things were more like Easter eggs and even the audience had a hard time keeping track of them (how many non-Welsh speakers automatically know that the Blaidd Drwg power plant meant "bad wolf"?). But seriously now, just about every big bad they've encountered has gone on a tediously long monologue about how time was sucked into nothingness and they had to flee the crack in order to save their own existence. Sweet zombie Jesus, connect the dots already!

As for Rory x Amy x Eleven, I'll save all my comments for the next ep. You want Ménage à TARDIS, Teresa, you got it!
Teresa Jusino
16. TeresaJusino
Maac @4 -
"The main thing is, I'm not trying to position Amy as a "strong woman." I'm trying to position her as an Adult Person."

The thing is, since the beginning she's been behaving like a child. "I ignore keep out signs!" "I'm going to throw a tantrum every time you leave because I don't trust you! You're like all the other grown-ups! I mean...people." The Doctor not returning right away when she was 7 sort of locked her in an immature mindset. So now, she's emotionally immature while being very sexually mature. The reason why she's not being treated like an adult is because she isn't one. Not really. Not yet. I think a big part of her journey in this show is going to be her growing up, learning to trust, and learning that all decisions made by everyone in the world aren't going to be about her.

Re: Rory's "Thank you!" -
I simply saw that as a genuine gratitude for accomplishing something he couldn't. He knew that Amy wouldn't listen to him, but would listen to the Doctor, and he put his pride aside - a pride that had been challenged the entire time...I mean, Amy wanted her fiance to play her brother, and The Doctor to play her fiance! - and let the Doctor get her in the TARDIS for him. I saw that as a moment of her safety being more important than him showing what a big man he is, and I thought that was incredibly mature of him.

"Not gonna touch "Taming of the Shrew." :-) I'm good with attributing it to a different time, different value system, and ignoring its existence for the time being."

It's always bothered me whenever I see Katherine's monologue at the end played in modern productions with a wink-wink, nudge-nudge. Because the whole POINT of that speech isn't that she's "learned a lesson" about being subservient. It's about her helping Petruchio, a man she's come to love, save face. It's about her learning to put her pride aside for someone else; a lesson she desperately needed to learn. I'm not saying Shakespeare was any sort of a huge feminist. But I AM saying that he delved a lot more deeply into the human condition than just about any writer of his or any age. Katherine, a woman, is the main character of that play. It's her journey he's asking us to follow, not Petruchio's - not anyone else's. And he has written her, despite the time period in which he wrote it, as a universal character. This is totally my opinion, but I think that the title, "The Taming of the Shrew" has less to do with the actual play, and more to do with making the show palatable and getting butts in seats. Because the harshness of the title doesn't match the complexity of the play.
Alex Brown
17. Milo1313
Check out the BBC Shakespeare retellings (they're on Netflix Watch Instantly) for the only contemporary version of "Taming of the Shrew" that I genuinely like. It keeps the patronization and condescension and updates it, without losing his original intent. Plus Rufus Sewell in a dress and heels.

They do "Much Ado About Nothing" with Billie Piper, a cute "Midsummer Night's Dream", and an excellent, mindblowing version of "Macbeth" with Keeley Hawes and James Macavoy.
Teresa Jusino
18. TeresaJusino
Garyfury @5 -
I can't WAIT for "Amy's Choice!" Alas, they're skipping a week this week on BBC America for some reason. We're not getting a new Who tomorrow night. BOOO!

NomadUK @6 -
See my comments re: Taming of the Shrew above. :) I think we're on the same page as far as that play.

Ursula @11 -
I REALLY love your read of The Doctor and Rory and how neither is making her choose. I think that's very true. Also, as I said in my review, I love that Rory is someone who's totally up for adventure! He's worried about safety like any sane person would be, but he also loves the adventure and isn't afraid of it! I'm SO Team Rory right now.

Milo1313 @15 -
"There was a lot more they could've done with the concept of vampirism, and 16th century Venice seemed as superfluous as 1st century Pompeii was to Donna. They could've used any city, and I think the premise would've worked better on a future planet than on historical Earth. But fine. Whatever."

I think that's very true, and I think that was on purpose. Because as I said in my review, it wasn't about the "creature of the week." The story was about the relationship between these three people. You're right, it COULD have been anywhere. That's just the kind of episode this was.

"With the Bad Wolf arc, all the little things were more like Easter eggs and even the audience had a hard time keeping track of them..."

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with you on this one. *close-up of the crack...AGAIN* :) I GET IT. I take less issue with The Doctor being unobservant, though, because I think it's less of a character thing and more of a We're Trying To Reboot This Show And Draw In A New Audience So We're Going To Make The Overarching Big Bad Really Obvious. Which is annoying, but I choose to ignore it. :)
Erick Chase
19. TheMarchChase
Looking back at the classic series, I think you'd have to include Steven Taylor, Harry Sullivan, and possibly Ben Jackson as men.
Ursula L
20. Ursula
Of course, all that isn’t really what this episode of Doctor Who is about, either. It’s about Rory and The Doctor whipping them out and seeing whose is bigger.

And yet, the point isn't which of the two wins the contest. Rather, it is about them getting past the contest, and all the stereotypes and expectations about men who are supposedly in competition for the attention of a woman.

And in the end, both are stronger and happier for setting aside their rivalry. Each loves Amy, in his own way. They complement each other in what they offer her, in terms of what she needs to be happy. They have set the foundations for a strong friendship between the two of them.

Amy has some issues with immaturity and a potential for using her sexuality in a manipulative way, but neither will be vulnerable to such manipulation, because they're not playing out the competitiveness that would make such tactics work. And this will create a situation that encourages Amy to grow up and learn better ways of interacting with the men around her.
Rob Hansen
21. RobHansen
Maac: I'm also fairly disturbed now that I've realized how much the episodes on BBC America have been trimmed to fit in extra commercials. The limited-commercial version of "The Eleventh Hour," for example, is very subtly but very definitely a superior and more charming pieces of storytelling than the trimmed and chopped version we're now getting in the reruns. Lines cut, scenes trimmed, charm lost, Maac annoyed.)

************

Episode 8 aired over here last week. In the accompanying 'Doctor Who Confidential' they revealed that on first edit it had come in at 60 mminutes long, which meant a whole 15 minutes had to be taken out. I understand that ruinning overlength isn't uncommon for first edits - though 25% over seems excessive - nbut you do wonder what gets lost. Well, in this instance Confidential showed one such sequence. It was about a minute long, and just featured the Doctor and Amy walking along a stretch of road talking about Rory. It added nothing to the plot so I understand why it was included in the cut material, but it was charming and added nuance. Made me wish the Beeb would do a 'Doctor Who Uncut' edit fort later viewing. And, of course, I wonder what else BBCA will cut for US transmission.
Mike Conley
22. NomadUK
I'm also fairly disturbed now that I've realized how much the episodes on BBC America have been trimmed to fit in extra commercials. The limited-commercial version of "The Eleventh Hour," for example, is very subtly but very definitely a superior and more charming pieces of storytelling than the trimmed and chopped version we're now getting in the reruns.

Ah, the wonders of capitalism. Funny, this is what Rupert Murdoch and his ilk want everybody to have: freedom from socialised television.

This is why I cheerfully fork over my £140 or so a year in my licence fee, and want to smack in the head anyone who complains about it.

On the other hand, I have no trouble with the BBC trimming episodes (which my licence fee helped to pay for) destined to the US market. After all, the US keeps foisting its relentless globalised, marketised, consumerised, capitalised vision of the perfect future on everyone else; it's only fair you should get to experience it.
Alex Brown
23. Milo1313
Maac and RobHansen, watch the legal BBC America version, but if you want the real BBC version without commercials, you can find it online. Try Veoh.com for a high quality version. You have to search by "Doctor Who", then sort by length. This season starts about page 4 or 5. That way you can appease yourself by being legal and seeing the full version, and you get to see Eleven twice :)

Course it also means you can see them the day after they originally air...
Ursula L
24. Ursula
I think that the choice of historical Venice was important, not so much for the setting for the monsters, but for what it represented in the gift that the Doctor was giving Amy and Rory.

The Doctor wanted to give Amy and Rory something that would help them reconnect, on their own terms. Also something to make up for disrupting their relationship with his untimely offer of travel. Given his available resources (the TARDIS) that meant a trip of some sort.

Choosing the past, and Earth, was a way of choosing a destination that was, in a sense, theirs, rather than his. The future, and other planets, are things that they can know about only through the doctor. But a well known city in relatively recent Earth history is a place that Amy and Rory would know something about on their own, and be able to relate to on their own level.

This let the Doctor get out of their way a bit, since there was less of a need for him to play tour guide.

***

I also thought it interesting that the Doctor emphasized Venice's origins as a settlement created by people fleeing attack. It is, in a way, the triumph of the ordinary and domestic. The settlers were people who fled, rather than people who fought. (Run!) Their victory came through building homes and community, rather than destroying an enemy army. It's a very Doctor sort of triumph.

But it is also very Rory. He's a man who has chosen the stereotypically feminine career of nursing. A life that is about caring and nurturing, rather than fighting. Rory is a man who wants to build a home - offered the stereotypically masculine temptation of a stripper at his bachelor party, he chooses to call his fiancée and re-declare his love and desire to "settle down." Rory is someone who can very much appreciate the idea of winning by creating a good home.
Maac
25. LAJG
Re: that scene when Rory said "Thank you" to the Doctor, my impression was that the Doctor was deliberately acting like a jerk so that Amy wouldn't be so enamored of him. I don't think he was actually trying to control her. Rory was thanking him for trying to level the playing field. (I quite like Rory, but I, too, don't think he and Amy will get married. They don't seem to have much chemistry together.)
Alex Brown
26. Milo1313
LAJG @ 25: I agree with you about The Doctor leveling the playing field (there's no way Rory - or any Earth-bound human, really - could match him, so the only way for Rory to look good is for Eleven to make himself look worse), but I think they do have chemistry together, but not in a standard TV/Hollywood way. I think they have realistic chemistry, in the same way that Steve Taylor and Sally Harper did (see the "Phone Silence" and "Sock Gap" scenes for two of many Moffat examples).

Moffat does "real" relationships well. Real people don't have perfect chemistry, don't click on every level, aren't perfect matches. Amy may be childlike and live in a fantasy, but so is Rory and so does Rory. They just have different fantasies. He is the little boy who dreams about growing up and she's the little girl who dreams about running away and joining the circus. The timing isn't wrong for them, it's just not yet quite right, and it probably never will be. But that doesn't mean they won't get married and have loads of kids and live happily ever after.

They work well as a couple precisely because they don't fit together. She's hot enough to have any man she wants, but immature and reckless enough that no solid, grown-up man would keep her around for long. Rory's plain enough in personality and looks (and seems to have suffered from the lack of confidence and self-esteem that often goes along with that) that he'll take whatever he can get. But neither are on the inside what they appear to be on the outside. They're complex and contradictory and probably some of the "realest" characters on Doctor Who since, well, ever (Donna came close, and Sarah Jane was pretty cool, too).

Man, this is such a hard conversation to have without discussing the next two eps...
Ursula L
27. Ursula
It isn't just Rory who can't compete with the Doctor, and who has an inherently unequal relationship with the Doctor. The same applies to Amy, and all the companions.

While the Doctor doesn't have the personality to bark "you do what I say" at people, generally, that's what all his relationships with companions comes down to. He control the TARDIS, so he decides when and where they go. He has centuries more experience, so both he and the companions assume that they will respect that experience. He automatically steps in and takes the role of leader of the group when interacting with aliens.

The Doctor makes up for this inherent inequality by being generally gracious about it (at least in his Eleven-form) and by using it to offer his companions wonderful adventures and an exciting life.

But the inequality is still there.

The Doctor isn't merely being a jerk in that scene. He's taking away the polite face he usually puts on his power, to help Amy see the nature of life in the TARDIS. That, in turn, allows her to make a better informed decision about the respective places she will make for both Rory and the Doctor in her life.
Maac
28. Sihaya
Am I the only one who thinks that Moffat has simply switched the genders on two rather typical TV characters? Amy's the guy who's got commitment issues and last minute jitters. That guy's always afraid that he's miossing the next adventure or the really, truly perfect girl. Rory's the woman who's trying her very best to be patient until Amy either "gets it" or lets go. That woman doesn't typically wait forever, though.

Normally when we see these two characters in television, we get aggravated and exhausted at their very existence, and their positions are communicated in a series of quickly understood cliches. By switching the genders on the characters, Moffat has gotten us to pay attention to the nuances of the relationship rather than dismissing it outright as sitcom fodder. It's not a new story at all, but this time it's a well written one.
Maac
29. KatG
I disagree about Mickey and Rose. Mickey was faced with Rose very clearly obsessed with helping the mysterious and powerful Doctor and understandably didn't trust the Doctor and the way that Rose was acting about him and her willingness to go off and leave him. He also did not like the adventure and danger that Rose found she did like, and that doesn't make him a boy. It makes him a sensible man not afraid to admit he was scared about the darker side of what the Doctor does and faces. It wasn't so much that he was trying to control Rose as that he realized he was losing her and to something much bigger than what he could offer her. But he did try to support her and he did jump in and fight on the team to the best of his ability, which sometimes offered some comic relief to boot. So I didn't find him annoying at all. I found Rose annoying in that she tried to hold on to Mickey when emotionally she'd clearly moved on from the past they'd shared.

Rose chose to stick with the Doctor because she felt that the Doctor needed her, but Amy seems to see herself more as a chosen one and the Doctor as her guide to the Wonderland that is her destiny. So it seems less that she is choosing between Rory and the Doctor as between an ordinary life and that destiny. Rory is willing to let her go after that destiny, like Mickey was, but still hopes to be part of Amy's life. Unlike Mickey, Rory has more faith that he'll manage it. Ultimately, Mickey was right that it wasn't possible, and either that will happen to Rory, or Amy will choose him over adventure, or Rory and Amy will get good at adventure together and go off and leave the Doctor.
Alex Brown
30. Milo1313
***POSSIBLE SPOILERS about previous seasons***

KatG @ 29: The only trouble I have with your theory is that Rose and Mickey weren't in love, weren't engaged, and weren't anywhere near that point in their relationship. They were a couple, but it was more out of convenience and companionship than true love. Rory and Amy love each other very deeply, and Amy and the Doctor love each other very deeply, but it's a different love than she and Rory have. Rose and Mickey cared about each other, but there was no love between them. That's why she could abandon him without a second thought and felt free to fall in love with Nine/Ten. She only felt guilty when she found out Mickey was still pining for her (I can't remember off the top of my head, but I don't think he even stayed faithful to her, or maybe that was after she ran off a second time) that she felt bad about tipping her cap at the Doctor.

Also, about the man thing, I think Mickey was still very much a boy at this point, but his time spent with the Doctor (see the end of series 2) turned him into a man. By the time his character gets relegated to the occasional reappearance he's very much a grown man. The Mickey that showed up at the end of series 4 is completely different than the Mickey who got left behind in series 1.
Ursula L
31. Ursula
The Doctor not returning right away when she was 7 sort of locked her in an immature mindset.

I think it is a bit much to blame all of Amy's problems on the Doctor not returning.

At the time he turned up, her parents seem to have just died, leaving her an orphan. The aunt who took her in seems to have been poorly suited to the task of raising a young child, and seems to have left her somewhat on her own, bordering on negligence. She was moved from her hometown to a small town in England where she felt quite bored and isolated.

On the other hand, the town she lived in seemed to be a close-knit one, so that while her aunt may have been absentee, the other adults of the community knew her and looked out for her. So she moves through the world with a sense of safety, trusting the people around her to be safe, if not caring.
Teresa Jusino
32. TeresaJusino
Sihaya @28 -
Excellent point. I think that's why I'm loving it so much!

Ursula @31 -
I wasn't blaming ALL her problems on The Doctor not returning, but it's definitely THE event that kind of reinforced in a very big way that people don't do what they say they're going to do for you. People don't come back, etc. It's very true that her parent's death and her aunt being less than available started all that, but I think The Doctor, her "one hope of escape", not coming back for her was kind of the last straw.
Ursula L
33. Ursula
Teresa, sorry if I came off as suggesting that.

Your commoent mostly seemed to be part of what I'm seeing everywhere in discussions this season, treating the Doctor not coming back in five minutes as the worst thing that ever happened to Amy, and the cause of all of her problems. This strikes me as wrong for a couple reasons.

First, as I mentioned before, it ignores all of the other problems she's suffered, particularly the trauma of loosing he parents. One stranger breaking a promise is barely even a straw, compared to that. The attempt to build Amy's characterization around the missed trip is jarring, for that reason. It's a problem in the show itself. Missing a trip with a stranger shouldn't eclipse missing a mother who made apples smile.

Second, since Doctor Who is a children's show, it seems troublesome to have such emphasis on the idea of a young child being taken away by a complete stranger. I'm not saying that it should become a Very Special Episode on stranger-danger. But offering to take a young child on a trip, without her guardian knowing, was quite irresponsible of the Doctor. "I'll get you when you're grown-up" would have been a promise just as disruptive to Amy's life as the "five minutes" that weren't, and would have avoided the issue of potential child abduction which was then ignored.

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