Jo Walton’s Reading List: October 2019

2021 is correct for Perhaps the Stars. Ada's incorporating my comments and sending it to other beta readers now, Tor will have it by the end of this year, and it really and truly takes a year to make a finished manuscript a book. Probably it'll be really early in 2021/ And even though I've read it I still can't wait for it to be published so I can talk about the amazing incredible spoiler spoiler spoiler spoiler...

Jo Walton’s Reading List: August 2019

I do take recommendations but my to-be-read pile is very long. I haven't read it. Why do you think I'll like it, particularly?

Jo Walton’s Reading List: July 2019

I haven't read it, but Darnton discusses it. And I will probably read it one day, there's a comfortable amount of unread Dumas waiting for me!

Jo Walton’s Reading List: July 2019

Alan Brown -- I absolutely agree about Pilcher's short stories, I loved reading the two collections of them available electronically, and thought a lot about how she does so much in so few lines.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: July 2019

Daniel: I can't answer that question. I read in between everything else and do not measure time spent reading. Also, it varies a lot. Some days I do nothing but read, some days I only read in bed before falling asleep.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: June 2019

Ecbatan: For normal people I'd suggest The Enchanted April which is probably her best book, but for you I'd suggest Fraulein Strauss and Mr Ansthuther because I think you'd enjoy what she's doing there with character and epistolary form.

11: I'm an idiot. I just dislike TV and can't get with it. I agree it's exactly the same as not being able to appreciate any other art form but there it is. I don't like comics either. I freely acknowledge these things as flaws in me and not in the art forms in question. I don't despise them. I agree I'm missing things. But they are not my thing. Sorry about that. 

 

Jo Walton’s Reading List: May 2019

Rin: It is not my experience that very clever people are any more cruel than anyone else.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

Nebilon -- thank you. That makes me feel better about it.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: April 2019

Amaryllis: I rescued Ethel from The Daisy Chain and took her to Plato's Republic in my novel The Just City.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: April 2019

Tekalynn: Yes, it made me cry too, but more with anger that she thought that was a happy ending.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: April 2019

DPZora: I own Pillars of the House but I haven't read it yet. I love all the others you mention!

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

Ngogam: Thank you. You'd think I could copy it, wouldn't you, but somehow between my eyes and my fingers it got confused with an island in Hong Kong called Cheung Chau. I'll fix it

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

Hoopmanjh: I read and then Hellburner and then Downbelow Station, and then Rimrunners in the bath, and I've been able to stop myself there though I now want to read AR again...

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

Hedges: Yes, for Shute it was leave school at 16 and work in a shop, or pay for your education -- entirely wealth based and not merit based in any way. The postwar settlement in the UK was very imperfect, and I do see why people of Shute's class felt unhappy, and why they wrote cosy catastrophes in which all the working class got killed by triffids or eaten by killer bees, and I acknowledge that they did lose something when society made an attempt (however flawed) to become fairer. Still, as somebody who wouldn't have had a higher education under Shute's preferred system, or the US system, or the present UK system, I think I am right to roll my eyes at this aspect of Trustee From the Toolroom, even though in most other respects I do love it.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

CHip: I'm a fast reader, though some things faster than others. In recent years I've started reading multiple things at the same time, cycling through them, and that seems to help me get through slow reads faster. I don't know whether re-reads are faster, I've never thought about it. 

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

GC: One of the reasons On the Beach had so much impact was because Shute had written What Happened to the Corbetts, which was in many ways prophetic, though in other ways very much not. So it gave him authority when he wrote another book about a near future war. As for living through that -- I was 25 when the Berlin Wall came down, and I started to believe for the first time there would be a future and I would be in it and having children was not an act of irresponsiblity.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

CHip: Her parents were going to take her to Canada, probably Vancouver. She'd have probably ended up at McGill.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

Thomas Goodey: Well, that wasn't my experience of going to university and living on a grant without parental help in the eighties. And I still think he was missing the point.

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

I re-read a lot. Ah, nine out of twenty-seven, a third. That's probably about normal, yes. I have written here about re-reading: https://www.tor.com/2017/08/04/revisiting-old-friends-or-why-i-re-read/

Jo Walton’s Reading List: March 2019

Saavik: I have not read Sounding, I'll look out for it. Sounds great.

David Evans: I have a new novel coming out May 28th, "Lent". I'm working on revising my novel after that, "Or What You Will".

An Informal History of the Hugos

Yes, Mike, but things take time, and his death is so recent that he was still with us when this book went through the process.

Indeed, I sent him a query email when I was in the last stages of proofing, and his response says how much he was looking forward to the book. This makes the eventual publication sad for me in a way, because he contributed to much to it and now he'll never see it. 

It was bad enough when it was just David.

Death sucks.

An Informal History of the Hugos

James -- If it's time, then I propose Rich Horton for the job. Not only is his knowledge of short fiction is far better than mine (as this book demonstrates) but also he has experience at putting together an anthology.

Godzilla Sonnets, Brought to You by Jo Walton

By the way, if anyone wants this in codex or ebook form, The Godzilla Sonnets are in my new collection Starlings.

Ada Palmer’s Too Like the Lightning Is A Future Worth Having

Alee: Yes, parents raise their own children, but in a context where the parents are living in a group of four to twenty friends, and they all raise their children together.

You say "why are humans like that" in a way that makes me wonder whether I am human, as I have a child but no interest in geneaology or Facebook, or being connected especially with my family of origin even the ones I know, let alone more of them, whereas I am very close to my friends. Therefore, as in fact I am human, I don't see it as an invariant thing -- it's common, yes, but not ubiquitous.

Ada Palmer’s Too Like the Lightning Is A Future Worth Having

You may also be interested in the Crooked Timber seminar on the books, which happened when Seven Surrenders came out. http://crookedtimber.org/category/ada-palmer-seminar/ and which includes a piece by me and a brilliant piece by Max Gladstone.

Shared History: Revisiting Long Book Series

OM -- What to me seems conclusive is that the FTL works differently. The AU/Chanur universe has Jump and you need drugs to go through it. Phoenix doesn't work that way. Bren writes in his diary and Cajeiri watches movies while in FTL mode. Also, it's more interesting if it's a different universe.

I am super excited for a new Alliance Union book. Thank you everyone for letting me know it was on its way, so I have something to look forward to.

Shared History: Revisiting Long Book Series

Chris -- I have recently only been re-reading the last four or five when there is a new Atevi book.

What is Alliance Rising?

Shared History: Revisiting Long Book Series

Nine! Nine! There are now 18 Atevi books and book 17 is so great, really, so amazingly wonderful, but you have to have read all the others and how can I tell people they want to invest that much time?

Worth every minute, but...

(I wrote this post a long time ago. I wrote it on a train.)

Pastoral Apocalypse: Leigh Brackett’s The Long Tomorrow

Station Eleven is an interesting case. I really liked it except for the way it didn't make sense -- it had that quality that SF books written by mainstream authors often have of being brilliantly written but inadequately worldbuilt. I kept almost loving it and then being annoyed at things that were stupid and not thought through. But anyway, it's not quite in this subgenre, because it doesn't have that Twainlike voice, and also because it's Canada and not the US. I think there's a particular flavour to this genre of the world having gone back to a 1950's imagination of the Twain flavoured nineteenth centiry US, of course with everyone being white. Station Eleven is more a disaster novel or cosy catastrophe -- we see people living through the disaster as well as the world of afterwards. 

I haven't read Earth Abides or Alas Babylon, I'm afraid, so I don't know. If you can still smell the oranges, I'll take your word for it. (I have not read everything. A bunch of stuff, but not everything.)

Pastoral Apocalypse: Leigh Brackett’s The Long Tomorrow

HP -- no problem with that, and I wasn't at all compleining about the kind of thing she wanted to write. You'd just expect (or I expected anyway) her female characters to be a bit less cliched. 

Revisiting the Recently Rediscovered 1956 Hugo Awards Ballot

Oh! Three to Conquer I have read. Thank you. I agree about Russell, though I've re-read a couple and enjoyed them and written about them here, Wasp and Next of Kin which were the ones I liked best when I was a kid.

The Power of Princesses: Robin McKinley’s The Door in the Hedge

PrincessRoxana -- so download everything right now while you have wifi, hey? Then they are on your device forever. I don't know about the Nook, but with the Kindle, once they're downloaded, they're still there always unless you tell it to remove them from the device. I have literally never used mine any other way -- nothing is "in the cloud", I buy the book, or I download it from Gutenberg, and then I put it on and there is is, always, whenever I want it. I connect to wifi for 30 seconds at a time to download stuff and then turn it off again. When I got the new one, it took me a few hours to download the 1000 books I already had and resort them into their collections. But anything I've bought since March 2014 when I bought it, I have right there, whether there's wifi or not. I bought the thing for travel in the first place. It's the infinite "library in your pocket" nature of the thing that makes it great. Just download them. There is no downside.

The Power of Princesses: Robin McKinley’s The Door in the Hedge

Um, the limit on an old one is 1000, and after 4 years I had filled my old one up and bought a new one where the limit seems to be about 5000. That is indeed "a" limit, but it's not much of one!

The Merry World of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit

Right. But that was a choice on Tolkien's part, and a choice that was a departure from the norms and expectations of his own society. 

The Merry World of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit

Ajay -- I didn't say he understood logistics etc, (though I wouldn't be able to tell the difference whether he did or not) I said he made the journey bits fun to read and seem real and interesting. I can imagine a book written by somebody who understood all those things perfectly and got them utterly correct but who should instead have written "Ten days later when we arrived in X" because making journeys effective for the reader is hard. Though in fact I think Tolkien, who regularly went off for long hikes in England and the Welsh borders, understood walking pace and walking and weather but maybe not carrying provisions because he was never more than five miles from a pub!

The Merry World of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit

Tolkien totally does talk down to his readers. He doesn't do it all the time, but The Hobbit is full of direct asides. Tolkien himself later in a letter repudiates this and wishes he hadn't done it, they get fewer as the book goes on and LOTR doesn't have any of it.

I agree that writing a children's book is a worthy and excellent thing to do, but it's inherently going to be less satisfying for adults than an equally excellent adult book. And an adult book is going to be less satisfying for children. 

Why is Genre Fiction Obsessed with Belisarius?

David Drake: Oh, how fascinating that it was Jim Baen and Liddell-Hart. Thank you for your comment.

And I have either not read The Clocks of Iraz or have blotted it from memory. De Camp could be very variable. When he was good he was splendid.

As for the attitude to Islam in the books, I assumed it was coming from Stirling, as it's very similar to what I've seen from him elsewhere. 

Jo Walton’s Next Book is a Big Space Adventure: Announcing Poor Relations

Zvi: Oh, that's easy. I was having a conversation with a group of friends, and the question came up of Varley-style easy gender changes, and whether we'd do it if it was that easy. ALL the women said yes, and ALL the men said yes... as long as they were sure they could change back later. And I suddenly saw future gender choices as economic, and of course many people would hate this in many different ways, which I do explore in the book. 

As for "we" have gay marriage, for one thing, we for values of "the West" do, being gay is still illegal in many parts of this planet right now. And we, same valuies of we, have a tendency to declare a battle won and forget about it and move on to the next battle. The US STILL does not have an Equal Rights Amendment, in 2017, the glass ceiling is very real, and the work of older women falls out of the canon in a depressingly frequent way. It's better than 1917! But I wouldn't say feminism is over and we can stop examining this stuff.

Anyway, this is a book that has main characters who we would identify as gay and trans, but that isn't quite how they identify, in the same way as you have very different identifications of those things historically.

You may well really hate what I've done with gender stuff in this book, but it's not a thing I did without thinking about it.

Crane: Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. Appreciated.

Everyone else: Yay!

A Burden Shared

Thank you to the people who like it!

I had the idea for this story when a friend and I were both experiencing chronic pain and I thought how much easier it would be to swap -- because then it would be for something, not pointless. 

For any SF idea there's a way of writing it that's simple, obvious, and boring. For this one, that would be the story of paying people to bear pain, oh look, rich people exploiting poor people, outsourcing literal pain, as much an allegory as a woman sitting on a lion with snakes and mirrors in her hands. This seemed to me a much more interesting approach.

One thing I do want to say in response to the negative remarks here -- a life with chronic pain is not a life without value, and saying and implying that it is directly disparages not just my own lived experience but that of others. Please don't do that.

The Tremendous Continuity of Science Fiction in Conversation With Itself

Cambias -- it's all very well Viewing With Alarm, but there's ZERO evidence of that.

I just cited a whole bunch of specific examples of new exciting SF that's doing new exciting things, but growing out of the history of the genre. No reinventing the wheel. No regurgitation. No getting stale, and no disappearing up own navel. Those are indeed theoretical problems that could one day arise, but right now there's absolutely no evidence that this is happening, and massive evidence that people are writing exciting new shiny things that build on what has gone before.

Next Year’s Words: Science Fiction, Innovation, and Continuity

Joel -- I don't personally see much Banks in Leckie, but McCaffrey's Ship Who Sang is a very good catch, and really obvious now that you mention it. Well done.

Thessaly: The Platonic Inspiration

DemetriosX -- You know what they say about liberals being conservatives who have been arrested and conservatives being liberals who've been mugged? Similarly, coming from a position of privilege and being enslaved even for the length of a voyage between Syracuse and Aegina made Plato really think about slavery.

A Future Worth Having: Ada Palmer’s Too Like the Lightning

Nan -- she's been doing a blog tour, on which she has written some very interesting stuff about how she did it. There are links on her blog Ex Urbe.

(We were just at Balticon, where all the dealers sold out of it on Friday.)

First Look at Tor’s New Logo, Celebrating 35 Amazing Years!

I feel so proud to have two milestones worthy of being listed here

Celebrate Jo Walton’s Tiptree Award at Borderlands!

Doesn't Elise's tiara look amazing on my blue hat? I kept it on all of Balticon, and people kept commenting on it!

I'm really looking forward to the Borderlands Tiptree event. And in addition to singing, Ada's going to be reading from her novel, forthcoming from Tor next summer, Servants of the World. If you're in the Bay Area and you can make it, do come, it'll be fun.

Alike in Dignity: Feuding Houses in Romeo and Juliet
The aliens and the humans were equal in power and status, in the way I've never seen it done when it's changed so the Montagues are Native Americans or Bengalis in British India or whatever.
Shakespeare’s King: Some Thoughts on Henry V, Part 2
Mary Beth -- don't encourage me! I wrote both the original sonnet and this post as ways of staving off my desire to write not a novel, which would be comparatively sensible, but the actual play.
Sleeper
Nancy @27 - In some cases, they've been quite open about it, in others they're still quite secretive, and there's also disinformation and lost data.
Sir Terry Pratchett, 1948-2015, a Reminiscence
Kate, you're right, he was GoH in Boston, but everything else there happened in Glasgow, because, my aunt. I'll change it. Thanks. Also, I just realised, the two people who made my aunt stop thinking that the internet and fandom, and therefore everyone I met through the internet and fandom, were weird and creepy, are you and Terry. A great way to change people's opinions just by being awesome.
Genre Fiction Honored by the Alex and Stonewall Book Awards and the RUSA Reading List
Because it was midwinter, and snowy, the librarians clearly went for books with white covers.
Eight Books From the Last Decade that Made Me Excited About SF
RobM -- I find it very hard to imagine a miniseries of Spin. But they wouldn't need many special effects!
Eight Books From the Last Decade that Made Me Excited About Fantasy
Yagiz: The covers are really really awful, and yes, very much. There's also the "Well, this clearly isn't aimed at *me*..." cover, which that Melusine definitely has. I'm actually very fortunate that I was sent it for a quote and so read that first in manuscript before seeing the cover, or I might have hesitated too. It's crazy really, it's the words inside that matter. But covers are full of semiotics and information, and sometimes they're just flat out trying to attract the wrong people and putting off the people who would like it. And then sometimes a book is lucky enough to get a cover like that Stranger in Olondria cover. Just as a point of information for those who might not know, authors generally has zero input into their covers.
Philosophilia: The Just City by Jo Walton
Delong: Yes, The Philosopher Kings is a sequel, and I am working on a third one.
A Library In Your Pocket: How Having an E-reader Has Changed My Reading Habits
Hoopmanjh: Indeed, how does this even happen? I wish I'd noticed that Chanur's Homecoming wasn't available before I'd bought the first three. Infuriating. Though that brings up the interesting question of buying cheap (second hand equivalent pricing) e-copies of things I already totally own. I do this, but the price has to be right.
A Library In Your Pocket: How Having an E-reader Has Changed My Reading Habits
JReynolds -- I have a kindle. I really didn't want a touchscreen, and the kindle's page turning is just superior to Indigo's Kobo. (The Nook is B&N's, which isn't available in Canada, so sadly not at option.) But the situation is different now from the way it was two years ago -- everything is touchscreen, whether you want it or not. This will make me very reluctant to "upgrade". The way I can hold the kindle normally and turn the page, instead of having to swipe at the page in an unnatural way is a huge plus for me -- I was worried about the page turning affecting my reading speed, which this system doesn't, but anything that involves touching the screen would. Ewww.
A Library In Your Pocket: How Having an E-reader Has Changed My Reading Habits
Prince Justin: Why yes there is! Rich: I have written about Kathleen Norris before, under the title "The Weirdest Book in the World". I like her work a lot because while her books make sense, I cannot for the life of me predict what will happen in them. I complain that in mainstream you're not going to get an alien invasion -- an alien invasion wouldn't be impossible in Norris. You'll be reading about the Depression and then a character will invent something that ends it! How did she get so forgotten?
The Just City (Excerpt)
Everyone who read this and wants more -- yay! If you like this, you'll like the rest of it. Conversely, if you didn't like this, spend your money on something else! RobMRobM -- I usually post on my LJ (papersky.livejournal.com) when I've finished a book and want test readers. Steven Halter -- the book is now way better than when you read it, with extra Maia chapters! Stefan -- So glad you liked it. I just finished the copyedit on the sequel, sent it back today, and so I can't imagine why anyone would want to read it. (I almost always hate a book at this stage.)
The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare’s Histories in the Age of Netflix
Ursula @37, Ada @38 -- and crowns. Apart from Richard's crown in Hollow Crown, the physical crowns, which are lingered over in all three TV productions, get noticeably plainer and more masculine over time.
The Hollow Crown: Shakespeare’s Histories in the Age of Netflix
The RSC production makes the psychologically valid choice to have the moment at the end of Part 1, where Falstaff falsely claims to have killed Hotspur, and Hal's acceptance of that, be total absolute and utter payment for all debt Hal owes Falstaff such that anything he asks for after that is underserved. And that completely worked for me without making me dislike Hal for his repudiation at the end of Part 2. Age of Kings's tricky manipulative Hal also works for me -- he's not necessarily likeable, but he's real and consistent across all three plays, from tricking people into thinking he's worse than he is, to disguising himself and tricking people into glove-trades on the night before Agincourt.
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell Reread: Part 6
Nicholas Winter: 1833 is the shamefully late abolition of slavery throughout the British Empire. What Stephen says about the air of England (and what he thinks and does not say) was precisely true and the legal status as of 1806, in this world as well as that one. British people owned slaves abroad, but any slaves brought to Britain were instantly considered to be free, from 1772 onwards.
Announcing the 2014 World Fantasy Winners!
Congratulations to all the winners and especially Irene! And it's great to see such a great set of winners. I'm delighted to see Samatar winning for the beautiful A Stranger in Olondria. I love that book.
Awesome Aliens: Jim Cambias’s A Darkling Sea
Prince Justin: Yeah, but there are so many books about humans!
After Paris: Meta, Irony, Narrative, Frames, and The Princess Bride
Kip: Sadly, The Silent Goldoliers is not set in the same world but is a kind of parable of Venice. It has an introduction by "Morganstern" in which he says he isn't dead -- well, he would say that, wouldn't he! It's an odd book. But then everything Goldman wrote is odd, especially The Color of Light, which is about how writers will do anything, and I mean anything, for their muse. It's like a horror story especially for writers. It should be a double feature with Donald Westlake's The Hook.
After Paris: Meta, Irony, Narrative, Frames, and The Princess Bride
DrPlokta: I believe you, because you are always right, but interlibrary loan, that would get me anything, couldn't get it for me and informed me that it didn't exist and I believed them. It's such a pity we didn't know each other in 1981!
Love as Contest in the Work of Mary Renault
RushThatSpeaks: PoL and RtN female loses, FYL is weird as noted. _North Face_ is weirdly interesting because the man has lost before -- he's getting divorced from a woman where he was the lover and then she went to the bad when he was away in the war, and he has also lost his (male) best friend and climbing partner, and the new relationship is with a woman who climbs. And the whole book is in terms of rock climbing and partnership and I think she's honestly trying really hard to write a love relationship that isn't an agon and it doesn't quite work. It's also interesting to look at Theseus/Hippolyta in this light. She takes his death. And looking outwards to other romances of that period, consider Rebecca, where Max de Winter has lost and been the lover to Rebecca, but now wins and is the beloved of the unnamed protagonist. It's such a weird way of arranging things.
Love as Contest in the Work of Mary Renault
Kate: You're welcome! I tend to consider the axioms of romance in genre romance as part of the worldbuilding too...
Sleeper
Ecbatan -- Through. No tuition and a small stipend to live on while studying.

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