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bonyenne @71: No, we never do. // Given Siuan's skills at Healing ("hardly her greatest skill, not very strong at all", per KoD), it's pretty clear that whatever they did wasn't Healing in the traditional sense. Although that still begs the question of why Siuan would be the one to lead the circle; it's hard to imagine she happened to be the one most skilled at whatever was needed. This may very well be another "early book" artifact where RJ hadn't quite worked out the system fully. //
ZEXXES @78, princessroxana @79: RJ specifically said women can be ta'veren. From the Theoryland interview database:
INTERVIEW: Jan 20th, 2006
Robert Jordan's Blog: IT'S BEEN AWHILE (Verbatim)
For ben, of course women can be ta'veren. None of the major female characters in the books is ta'veren, though. The Wheel doesn't cast ta'veren around indiscriminately. There has to be a specific reason or need. (I tossed in the "major" just to leave you something to argue about.)
Moderators: In the paragraph "“Perhaps,” Moiraine counters. She tells them that the prophecy of Callandor is only one fulfillment of The Karaethon cycle, just like the first one, his birth on the slopes of Dragonmount.", the second sentence should not be part of the block quote.
JimIII @21: The answer to your “weird thing” is actually right in the text:
Rand had lent him as many more Asha’man as he could spare, if only because—as soon as they’d heard—he’d had dozens of Maidens presenting themselves and demanding Power-wrought spearheads. It only makes sense, Rand al’Thor, Beralna had explained. His smiths can make four spearheads for every sword.
Scáth @74: "Wives and girlfriends" in the tabloids, but my WAG in context here is "wild-ass guess". :-)
Moderators: Minor formatting issue. The paragraph that starts "He blows a long, clear note..." should not be indented as a block quote; the direct quote from the book ends in the previous paragraph and that paragraph is Sylas's.
JonathanLevy @77: Can you point me to where I can find Terez’s analyses? I’ve read her analysis of // Taimandred // but would love to read other things.
@70 & @62 // It make no sense for the Oath Rod to work on non-channelers when stilling removes the oaths. This contradicts what we are told in the books and what Sammael said to Sevannah. //
My response: // It doesn’t necessarily contradict it; it could be that stilling severs the connection created when the Oaths were taken and replicates the experience of removing the Oaths via the Rod. The stilled person could then be re-sworn using the methods for non-channelers.
That being said, your larger point that it’s pretty clear that Sammael said binders only work on channelers, and it’s unlikely he was lying is completely valid. //
I just recently re-watched the MCU in order (while recovering from surgery, so some drug-induced memory modification may be involved), but I thought I remembered that the plan was not just to let Sokovia drop, but to actually accelerate it downward beyond what gravity alone would do.
That still doesn't deal with the issue of "if you've got that much energy, why bother with such an indirect method", but I do like the suggestion of Ultron being into the symbolism.
olethros6 @28: Re-read RobbyFriedlander @21. It’s not “someone on the Internet”; it’s straight from The Wheel of Time Companion, which is canonical. Here’s the exact quote:
A narrow-faced Taraboner Whitecloak officer who was the son of Geofram.
As RobbyFriedlander @21 said, Geofram’s nationality is not stated in the Companion, but given his speech patterns and the fact that his son is Taraboner, it seems almost certain that he is as well.
Edit: Ninja’d by Anthony Pero!
Austin @5: IIRC, there's a line in Captain America: Civil War where Tony explains that he and Pepper are taking a break because he realized that he couldn't stop being Iron Man (the implication being she wasn't happy with that and broke things off).
I think the Farmer in the Sky example is unfair to say Heinlein got it wrong; the character didn't know the answer. It does not show one way or the other whether Heinlein understands it. Now, maybe you could have argued that the character should have known the right answer, but that's a separate issue from Heinlein getting relativity wrong.
Also, I agree with ajay @7: my understanding (from Modern Physics taken 25 years ago) is that when one frame is accelerating, the symmetry is broken.
Anthony Pero @6, et seq.: In fact, the first reveal is in the Glossary to TDR; I confirmed with a Kindle search. So barring a typo in my Kindle files, it's definitely a spoiler. (Which surprises me; like you, I thought it had already been revealed.)
Sylas: I always absolutely read Thom's disdain of actors as disdain of the invention of the profession. It's clear from what he says that this is a new thing and that one should be able to do everything just with the cadence of one's voice.
Jade Phoenix @13: Maybe, but it reads to me like the woman was one of the many people who were watching from the lighted windows and was just the last one left.
Also, moderators, a quick formatting issue: the paragraph starting "But after Rand has left, Thom doesn’t find it that easy..." should be separate from the block quotes both before and after it; it's Sylas's words, not from the text.
(Self-flagged for moderator attention.)
RogerPavelle @34, Gaz @36: The formula is for the nth Fibonacci number (1,1,2,3,5,8,13,..). Phi is the golden ratio (1+sqrt(5))/2. It’s weird the first time you see it that the formula given always comes out to be whole number, but in the end all of the sqrt(5)’s cancel out and you’re left with just a plain number.
AeronaGreenjoy @94: You remember correctly, but it's an Aes Sedai who's talking about it to another Aes Sedai, so she uses the common Aes Sedai term. I don't recall any instance of a non-Aes Sedai using the term.
jadis666 @85, Sebastian @87: Per IdealSeek (http://dposey.no-ip.com/IdealSeek/, an interesting website that lets you search books 1–12 for text), there are 53 occurrences of “lover” among the books RJ wrote. That includes “The spear is your lover” in the Glossaries of all of the books through LoC, for a total of 47 “in-text” uses of the word.
Since IdealSeek is not perfect, I went through and looked at the books individually via Kindle, and here’s what I got (counting both “lover” and “lovers”):
TEotW: 1 (Glossary only)
TGH: 4 (1 in Glossary)
TDR: 4 (2 in Glossary)
TSR: 7 (1 in Glossary)
TFoH: 13 (1 in Glossary)
LoC: 8 (1 in Glossary)
That’s a total of 69 occurrences, 62 of which occur “in-text.” For completeness, in BWS’s books, the counts are
AeronaGreenjoy @33: Echoing ThunderCrush @39, I did the same calculations a while ago and got essentially the same result. (I know I posted them somewhere on Tor.com, but can't find it right now.) Team Sanderson did the work to make sure the length of time was consistent with real-world pregnancies.
I assume that a Sister could be startled from sleep, believe that she was being attacked, and light someone on fire. It’s not like she has to go to court and prove it was self-defense before she does it.
And actually, to anyone who knows how the Oaths work, the very fact that she was able to do it would constitute proof that her belief was sincere! // (Assuming she could convince them she's covered by the Oaths and not Black Ajah, of course.) //
@10, 19: It's this passage from WoR that strongly implies Renarin has been doing it all along:
“I can see it,” Renarin answered feverishly, his voice echoing in the chamber. Ardents who had been studying part of the murals looked up at him. “I can see the future itself. Why? Why, Almighty? Why have you cursed me so?” He screamed a pleading cry, then stood and cracked something against the wall. A rock? Where had he gotten it? He gripped the thing in a gauntleted hand and began to write.
Shocked, Shallan took a step toward him. A sequence of numbers?
“It’s come,” Renarin whispered. “It’s come, it’s come, it’s come. We’re dead. We’re dead. We’re dead. . . .”
vinsentient @3: Echoing Jason_UmmaMacabre @5, I live in San Diego, which is just about as far away from NY as you can get in the continental US, and while intellectually I understand there's a difference, emotionally it just doesn't matter to me. But I can completely understand how a native New Yorker would see it differently.
Not to derail the great commentary, but there are three egregious copy-edit errors that really should be corrected:
"yeild" should be "yield"
"sighting" should be "citing"
and (one of my personal bugaboos, and the reason why I'm actually posting this rather than just ignoring it like I probably should)
"unphased" should be "unfazed"
Nejjat Terrorist Lea: No. 'Mercy' and 'Mercenary' may sound similar, but I assure you it's just a misleading coincidence.
Narrator: Oddly enough, this joke works in Galstandard West as well as in English.
dwcole @60: Most of the clues require you to take RJ's word that the WoT is set on Earth in a different era; one of the conceits of the series is that the legends of the WoT era are things from our present. Here are the examples I remember off the top of my head:
Tales of Mosk the Giant, with his Lance of fire that could reach around the world, and his wars with Elsbet, the Queen of All. Tales of Materese the Healer, Mother of the Wondrous Ind.
Mosk = Moscow (Russia), Lance of fire = ICBMs, Elsbet = Elizabeth I of Britain; Materese of Ind = Mother Theresa of India
“Tell us about Lenn,” Egwene called. “How he flew to the moon in the belly of an eagle made of fire. Tell about his daughter Salya walking among the stars.”
Lenn = John Glenn, mixed with the Apollo 11 crew; Salya = Sally Ride
Tales of Anla, the Wise Counselor.
A silvery thing in another cabinet, like a three-pointed star inside a circle, was made of no substance she knew; it was softer than metal, scratched and gouged, yet even older than any of the ancient bones. From ten paces she could sense pride and vanity.
The Mercedes-Benz logo
Did Mosk and Merk really fight with spears of fire, and were they even giants?
Moscow (Russia), America, and their ICBMs
This isn't on the main page for the re-read yet.
Brent @73: I heartily agree with @72 and @74: KoD was the best book since at least LoC, in my opinion. In particular, Egwene's big chapter (Honey in the Tea) is my favorite chapter in the entire series. (Not the best chapter---that honor goes to a two-chapter sequence in TSR; re-readers know exactly which ones I'm referring to---but the one I most enjoy re-reading.)
Alice has nearly survived her daughter’s excursion through driver’s training, possibly even with sanity intact.
Congratulations! But wouldn't that imply you were sane to start...
toothlessjoe @3: I completely agree on the purpose of truths for a Lightweaver---to combat the very real danger of losing yourself.
VladZ @34: To be precise, Nynaeve was born in 974 and Lan in 953. The series starts in 998, so they were 23 or 24 and 44 or 45 at the beginning of the series.
This would definitely be great! (And require another bookcase, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make! :-))
BenW @54: Flagged your comments for the Moderator to white out. If you want to try it yourself, then the trick is to highlight the text to be hidden and use the button above the posting box that's an underlined "A" on a white background to set the selected text to white. Do this _before_ Previewing the text and the change should stick. (They may have fixed this bug since I last tried it.)
KalvinKingsley @35 already posted all of the typos I noticed, so I just flagged that posting for the Moderators.
Other than the typos, excellent post as usual!
[email protected]: You need to delete the “/ ” from the end of your link to make it work correctly.
Edit: The link now works for me.
Wayneman @13: Tor did that to each of the first two books to produce volumes that were a less scary size for younger readers. The first half of TEotW contained an extra prologue that follows Egwene as a young girl and gives some insight into her character. The second half of TGH has an expanded Glossary. Other than that, the texts are identical.
I always read it as "the men broke the world, so they have to fix it"; because saidin was tainted, the Dragon had to be male in order to properly fix it.
That of course pushes the argument to "Why couldn't the females have broken the world and tainted saidar?" in some turning of the Wheel, so I guess it doesn't really help the overall debate. Maybe saidar being tainted is too big of a change to happen when the Wheel returns again...?
princessroxana @82: Highlight the text in the editing box that you want to have be white. There are two icons on top of the comment box that look like "A"; the left one changes the text color and the right one the background color; select white from the correct menu. Preview your comment and the selected text should be white. (There used to be a bug that you needed to do this _before_ you Previewed your comment the first time or it wouldn't work, but I haven't tested that in a while.)
I really enjoyed this season. I have two major comments:
1. krad: In your review of the first third of the season, you mentioned Tilda's parentage as if that was something that was revealed in the first season. As someone whose only knowledge of these characters is from the MCU and television shows, I didn't even know that Mariah had a child. When it was revealed that Ridenhour and Mariah had been an item in high school, my first guess was that Tilda's father was Ridenhour. (Of course, in hindsight the correct answer was obvious.)
I just re-watched the relevant portions of S1E7 (the one where Mariah kills Cottonmouth), and I didn't see anything that indicated Mariah was pregnant or had a child. Was it revealed in a different episode and I just missed it (completely possible), or is this one of those things that people who have read the comics would know but wasn't clear from the show?
2. Since my knowledge of the legal system mostly comes from way to many Law and Order re-runs, this question is for the lawyers out there: Do immunity deals like Shades's often actually hinge on the conviction of the person in question? That seems awfully risky from the immunity-seeker's point of view. I would expect that all they would promise is to testify against them. Was that a failure on Shades's and/or his lawyer's part, or is this a pretty standard clause? (Granted, having the prisoner die in custody might also negate an agreement to testify, but still...)
Finally, I am definitely down for Daughters of the Dragon and Power Man & Iron Fist.
fernandan @ 64: No, you can't edit posts made in red even if you later sign up with the same username; there's no way to verify that you were the author of the original posts, after all.
telyni @25: A historical note: Yes, BWS uses "RAFO" all the time, but it was actually RJ who created the phrase in the first place! BWS just continued the tradition when he took over WoT and then continued using it for his own works.
jadis666 @42: The problem with your argument is that the situation is not symmetric: birgit is saying that she doesn't remember any evidence and you're saying that there is evidence. Even if birgit wrote back and said "I just re-read NS and didn't see anything like that", would you believe her, or would you just think she wasn't careful enough and missed it? You, on the other hand, have the ability to quote the exact text that either says it straight out or seems to indicate it, and we can then judge it.
FWIW, I just did a quick search of NS (the search function on the Kindle app isn't great, but it's a lot better than re-reading the entire book!), and I couldn't find any evidence of a more-than-natural bond between them, but I could easily just not have hit on the right search term.
TL;DR: When people disagree about whether something exists or not, the onus of proof is (fairly or unfairly) on the person who says it does exist, as the other person can't prove their position.
Dalton24 @19: Re: the whited-out portion. Well, now I do. :-)
Dalton24 @62: In your first white-out section, you're confusing Elaida with a different character. // Nicola is the one who couldn't remember her Foretellings. //
Great article as usual.
Alice, I hate to be _that_ guy, but this the second time in recent months I've had to call you out on the "phase/faze" issue. :-)
Seriously, though, keep up the great work.
// There's an exchange in TDR:
“Does it [a raven] have to report,” Perrin asked softly, “or does . . . he . . . see what it sees?” He had not meant anyone to hear, but Ragan, the youngest of the Shienarans, less than ten years his elder, answered as he fitted another arrow to his short bow.
“It has to report. To a Halfman, usually.” In the Borderlands there was a bounty on ravens; no one there ever dared assume any raven was just a bird. “Light, if Heartsbane saw what the ravens saw, we would all have been dead before we reached the mountains.” Ragan’s voice was easy; it was a matter of every day to a Shienaran soldier.
It's possible he's wrong, but it seems reasonable to me. As we learn (much) later, the Forsaken can take over animals, but it's fairly time consuming. Plus, at this stage I think only three of them are free, and they're probably doing other things. So I think the simplest explanation is that the ravens are just generally scouting and killing for pleasure on their own. //
Naturally, in a series with this many fans, there are going to be disagreements about characters that people like and dislike. However, I feel confident in asserting that the single most polarizing figure in all of WoT is Egwene. For me, personally, she's my favorite character, but I can certainly understand why she rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
ClanOblique @57: Yes, RJ stated that every female character in the series has an aspect of Harriet (his wife). My personal favorite: Semirhage is Harriet when he forgot to take out the trash! :-)
Speaking as a Californian and someone who did a Ph.D. at UC Berkeley, I'm 100% with you on the pizza issue: keep your vegetables off my pizza!
Also, I'll echo the other childless adult males who loved this film.
Carl @67: No, that's OK. I can handle the math. :-) (Although I did make a false start by trying to solve the differential equation of the motion directly; it seems that there's not a closed-form solution. It took me a while to hit on the conservation of energy approach.)
Lisamarie @10: "Top Five Awful People Get Awful Karma, but It’s Still Too Awful To Really Enjoy":
Burdened with waterskins and pots and kettles till she almost felt decently covered, Galina staggered through the forest at Therava’s heels. She did not think of the rod, or escape. Something had broken in her. She was Galina Casban, Highest of the Red Ajah, who sat on the Supreme Council of the Black Ajah, and she was going to be Therava’s plaything for the rest of her life. She was Therava’s little Lina. For the rest of her life. She knew that to her bones. Tears rolled silently down her face.
Carl @58: Just to double check: your reference to the square-cube law is that wind resistance is proportional to (cross-sectional) area while mass is proportional to volume, correct? (I was initially confused as to how you were ignoring that, but I think I figured it out.)
And one other little detail (which I'm sure you know): technically, for a mass with nonzero volume, there is a maximum velocity even with no wind resistance: the escape velocity. (Due to the inverse square law, gravitational attraction decreases with distance, so acceleration does as well. Thus, there is a finite velocity such that if you throw a rock up at that velocity, it will never return to the ground. It turns out that falling objects can never reach that velocity if they start from rest.)
Wetlandernw @ 31, Re: healing: There might be something more definitive, but the thing I remember from the final battle is (Kaladin's PoV):
All the Stormlight in the world wouldn't save him if they simply bound him, then hacked at him until he stopped healing.
I assume he's thinking that from experience, and I definitely have the impression that we actually get direct confirmation somewhere, but I can't pull up a reference right now. (The search function in Kindle is quirky, and trying to do it on my phone is not helping.)
AeroneGreenjoy @67: I was actually surprised that there were only those two additional mentions (I used Encyclopaedia WoT to find them, so I may have missed anything in AMoL, although I doubt there was anything there); I guess everything I remember about that subject comes from either the Guide or the Companion.
[email protected]: One minor correction:
Myrddraal being offspring of Trollocs is also mentioned in the LoC Prologue, during Osan’gar’s PoV:
He had helped make the Trollocs, blending human and animal stock—he was proud of that, of the skill involved, the difficulty—but these occasional throwback offspring [referring to Shaidar Haran] made him uneasy at the best of times.
And in WH, Ch. 35, also in Osan’gar’s PoV:
His talents, his genius, lay elsewhere. The Trollocs were his making, and thus the Myrddraal that had sprung from them, and many other creatures that had rocked the world and made his name famous..
In addition to what you listed, there are a bunch of other things in the first couple of books that aren’t mentioned again or that have how they work change as the series grows. One of the hazards of writing a series over a period of 20+ years, I guess.
AlerieCorbray @ 30: And your method makes sense to you. :-) I think in this case either works. For me it's neat to see how the hints in the text got fleshed out, but I can definitely see how it could also be neat to know what happened and watch for hints later.
Donna Theiss @16: I personally prefer to read New Spring in publication order (between CoT and KoD), but that may just be because I read it there to begin with. When I re-read the series, the only thing I read out of publication order is the extra prologue that came with From the Two Rivers (which could easily be skipped, although it does give an interesting window into Egwene's personality), which is where I start reading.
I'm having trouble parsing this line:
after Jenson has found a serum for people who’ve been turned to keep them from being turned
Is the first "turned" supposed to be "bitten" or something like that? Other than that, great review. I've been meaning to watch these for some time now; maybe I'll actually get around to it soon.
Mary Robinette Kowal's Glamourist Histories; the main character and her husband deal with her pregnancy in the fifth and final book.
birgit @16: I would classify Pern as “fantasy…oops, no it’s actually science fiction.” :-) It’s been a long time since I’ve re-read the series, but IIRC the first inarguable sci-fi elements don’t appear for a number of books. Once they do, it definitely shifts over to sci-fi.
Saberhagen's Empire of the East
"Under a green sky and a yellow sun, on a black stallion with crimson-dyed mane and blue-dyed tail, Kickaha rode for his life."
Book: A Private Cosmos (World of Tiers, vol. 3) by Philip José Farmer
I'm re-reading this series while waiting for the library to give me vol. 4 of The Expanse by James S.A. Corey, which I'm reading for the first time.
One of the other Wise Ones (Bair) went through for a second time after Aviendha and saw the same thing (through her own descendant's eyes, of course), so it does seem to be a function of going through the second time.
AndrewHB @413, Re: Jasnah's quip, I was curious about this when I read it, too, and quickly realized that they got it right:
A Rosharan year is 1.1 cosmere (i.e., Earth) standard years, and a Rosharan year has 10 months of 50 days each. So 1 Rosharan day = 1.1* 365.25 / 500 = 0.804 Earth days. An earth pregnancy is 40 weeks = 280 days, so an equivalent Rosharan length of time is 280 / 0.804 = 348.45 Rosharan days = 6.97 Rosharan months, which matches very nicely with Jasnah's statement.
Re: When Jasnah knew about humans being the Voidbringers
I assumed that knowledge is what she was referencing in her conversation with Ivory in Chapter 47:
“We must tell the others what we learned from Wit, Ivory. Eventually, this secret must be known.”
“Jasnah, no. It would be the end. Another Recreance.”
“The truth has not destroyed me.”
“You are special. No knowledge is that can destroy you. But the others…”
Is there any other thing that's likely to fit that?
Carl @183: In order to Lash something else, Kaladin would have to physically touch it. If he's frozen and can't intervene with the spear, he's not going to be able to touch them either.
Porphyrogenitus @184: Kaladin and Jasnah did interact in one of the early chapters of Part II; she suggested he cuddle minks and he suggested she cuddle skyeels. I don't believe they interacted on screen beyond that, but they did have the one interaction.
Sorry if it already came up but we ‘knew’ that we would be getting a book dealing with Eshonai’s flashbacks. Was that perhaps just a red herring and we’ll actually be getting them from Venli instead?
I don’t see how Eshonai’s backstory could be relevant anymore but Venli’s certainly would be.
BWS has already stated that he wouldn't mind having a flashback character who is dead during the current part of the storyline, so there's also that possibility.
Benjamin Moldovan @122: Chapter 68
Shallan grinned and let out a deep sigh. Her hair had reverted to red—she’d let the illusion lapse. “Wit,” she said, “why are you here? In the city?”
“I’m not completely sure.”
“Please. Could you just answer?”
“I did—and I was honest. I can know where I’m supposed to be, Shallan, but not always what I’m supposed to do there.”
Assuming he's telling the truth (an admittedly big assumption), he just has some way of knowing where to be.
Muswell @71 and others – Don’t get me started… In the USA, nonplussed has been so misused that the (online, anyway) dictionaries are starting to list this almost-totally-opposite meaning as one of the definitions. I find it deeply annoying, but there are those who insist that language drift is perfectly acceptable. So, yes, in the USA, many people will use nonplussed to mean “unfazed” or “confident” or “unaffected”. *sigh* (Yes, we had this … discussion … in the gamma.)
We also had this discussion in the Edgedancer re-read. I'm with you.
See also: "literally" in modern American usage.
hoiditthroughthegrapevine @281: The only problem with your theory is that in the epigraph in WoR describing the Bondsmith, it says "Their spren was..."; i.e., only one spren for all of the Bondsmiths ("was" rather than "were"). Of course, the in-world WoR is explicitly hearsay (per the in-world author), so this might just be a mistake or a misunderstanding.
Having now found the WoB you referred to, it does seem to be canon that other spren can make Bondsmiths. So maybe historically they all had the same one but that was an accident of history rather than a necessity...
MaGnUs @4: Yeah, I agree that's probably what he meant. That though occurred to me about an hour after I wrote my post.
Is this a mistake in your review or in the movie?
...a tactical error, as turtles are amphibians, so they don’t drown...
Turtles are reptiles, not amphibians.
HMSawesome @103: Look at Anthony Pero @92. He lays out a compelling case for Dalinar. It's not ironclad, but it's a pretty good argument (that I happen to agree with).
It could still turn out to be Jasnah or somebody else, but in the "Dalinar vs. the field" bet, I'm currently taking Dalinar (and have been for a while now).