<em>The Gathering Storm</em> Chapter One: Tears from Steel (Excerpt)
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Sep 4 2009 10:33pm

The Gathering Storm Chapter One: Tears from Steel (Excerpt)

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The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose around the alabaster spire known as the White Tower. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.

The wind twisted around the magnificent Tower, brushing perfectly fitted stones and flapping majestic banners. The structure was somehow both graceful and powerful at the same time; a metaphor, perhaps, for those who had inhabited it for over three thousand years. Few looking upon the Tower would guess that at its heart, it had been both broken and corrupted. Separately.

The wind blew, passing through a city that seemed more a work of art than a workaday capital. Each building was a marvel; even the simple granite shopfronts had been crafted by meticulous Ogier hands to evoke wonder and beauty. Here a dome hinted at the form of a rising sun. There a fountain sprang from the top of a building itself, cresting what appeared to be two waves crashing together. On one cobbled street, a pair of steep three-story buildings stood opposite one another, each crafted into the form of a maiden. The marble creations—half-statue, half-dwelling—reached with stone hands toward one another as if in greeting, hair billowing behind, immobile, yet carved with such delicacy that every strand seemed to undulate in the wind’s passing.

The streets themselves were far less grand. Oh, they had been laid out with care, radiating from the White Tower like streaks of sunlight. Yet that sunlight was dimmed by refuse and clutter, hints at the crowding the siege had caused. And perhaps the crowding wasn’t the only reason for the disrepair. The storefront signs and awnings hadn’t seen wash or polish in far too long. Rotting garbage piled where it had been dumped in alleys, drawing flies and rats but driving away all others. Dangerous toughs lounged on the street corners. Once, they’d never have dared do that, and certainly not with such arrogance.

Where was the White Tower, the law? Young fools laughed, saying that the city’s troubles were the fault of the siege, and that things would settle down once the rebels were quelled. Older men shook their gray-streaked heads and muttered that things had never been this bad, even when the savage Aiel had besieged Tar Valon some twenty years previously.

Merchants ignored both young and old. They had their own problems, mainly on Southharbor, where trade into the city by way of the river had nearly come to a halt. Thick-chested workers toiled beneath the eyes of an Aes Sedai wearing a red-fringed shawl; she used the One Power to remove wards and weaken the stone, while the workmen broke the rock apart and hauled it away.

The workmen had sleeves rolled up, exposing curls of dark hair along burly arms, as they swung pick or hammer, pounding at the ancient stones. They dripped sweat onto rock or into the water below as they dug at the roots of the chain that blocked passage into the city by river. Half of that chain was now indestructible cuendillar, called heartstone by some. The effort to tear it free and allow passage into the city was an exhausting one; the harbor stoneworks—magnificent and strong, shaped by the Power itself—were only one of the more visible casualties of the silent war between the rebel Aes Sedai and those who held the Tower.

The wind blew through the harbor, where idling porters stood watching the workers chip the stones away, one by one, sending flakes of gray-white dust to float on the water. Those with too much sense—or perhaps too little—whispered that such portents could mean only one thing. Tarmon Gai’don, the Last Battle, must quickly be approaching.

The wind danced away from the docks, passing over the tall white bulwarks known as the Shining Walls. Here, at least, one could find clean lines and attention in the Tower Guard who stood watch, holding bows. Clean-shaven, wearing white tabards free from stain or wear, the archers watched over their barricades with the dangerous readiness of snakes prepared to strike. These soldiers had no intention of letting Tar Valon fall while they were on duty. Tar Valon had repelled every enemy. Trollocs had breached the walls, but been defeated in the city. Artur Hawkwing had failed to take Tar Valon. Even the black-veiled Aiel, who had ravaged the land during the Aiel War, had never taken the city. Many claimed this as a great victory. Others wondered what would have happened if the Aiel had actually wanted to cross into the city.

The wind passed over the western fork of the River Erinin, leaving the island of Tar Valon behind, passing the Alindaer Bridge soaring high to the right, as if taunting enemies to cross it and die. Past the bridge, the wind swept into Alindaer, one of the many villages near Tar Valon. It was a village mostly depopulated, as families had fled across the bridge for refuge in the city. The enemy army had appeared suddenly, without warning, as if brought by a blizzard. Few wondered at it. This rebel army was headed by Aes Sedai, and those who lived in the White Tower’s shadow rarely gambled on just what Aes Sedai could and couldn’t do.

The rebel army was poised, but uncertain. Over fifty thousand strong, it camped in a massive ring of tents around the smaller camp of Aes Sedai. There was a tight perimeter between the inner camp and the outer one, a perimeter that had most recently been intended to exclude men, particularly those who could wield saidin.

Almost, one could think that this camp of rebels intended to set up permanently. It had an air of common daily life about its workings. Figures in white bustled about, some wearing formal novice dresses, many others clothed in near approximations. Looking closely, one could see that many of these were far from young. Some had already reached their graying. But they were referred to as “children,” and obedient they were as they washed clothing, beat rugs, and scrubbed tents beneath the eyes of serene-faced Aes Sedai. And if those Aes Sedai glanced with uncommon frequency at the nail-like profile of the White Tower, one would be mistaken in assuming them uncomfortable or ner vous. Aes Sedai were in control. Always. Even now, when they had suffered an indelible defeat: Egwene al’Vere, the rebel Amyrlin Seat, had been captured and imprisoned within the Tower.

The wind flicked a few dresses, knocked some laundry from its hangings, then continued westward in a rush. Westward, past towering Dragonmount, with its shattered and smoking apex. Over the Black Hills and across the sweeping Caralain Grass. Here, pockets of sheltered snow clung to shadows beneath craggy overhangs or beside the occasional stands of mountain blackwood. It was time for spring to arrive, time for new shoots to peek through the winter’s thatch and for buds to sprout on the thin-branched willows. Few of either had actually come. The land was still dormant, as if waiting, holding its breath. The unnatural heat of the previous autumn had stretched well into winter, pressing upon the land a drought that had baked the life from all but the most vigorous plants. When winter had finally arrived, it had come in a tempest of ice and snow, a lingering, killing frost. Now that the cold had finally retreated, the scattered farmers looked in vain for hope.

The wind swept across brown winter grass, shaking the trees’ still-barren branches. To the west, as it approached the land known as Arad Doman—cresting hills and short peaks—something suddenly slammed against it. Something unseen, something spawned by the distant darkness to the north. Something that flowed against the natural tide and currents of the air. The wind was consumed by it, blown southward in a gust, across low peaks and brown foothills to a log manor house, isolated, set upon the pine-forested hills in eastern Arad Doman. The wind blew across the manor house and the tents set up in the wide, open field before it, rattling pine needles and shaking tents.

Rand al’Thor, the Dragon Reborn, stood, hands behind his back as he looked out the open manor window. He still thought of them that way, his “hands,” though he now had only one. His left arm ended in a stump. He could feel the smooth, saidar-healed skin with the fingers of his good hand. Yet he felt as if his other hand should be there to touch.

Steel, he thought. I am steel. This cannot be fixed, and so I move on.

The building—a thick-logged structure of pine and cedar after a design favored by the Domani wealthy—groaned and settled in the wind. Something on that wind smelled of rotten meat. Not an uncommon scent, these days. Meat spoiled without warning, sometimes only a few minutes after butchering. Drying it or salting it didn’t help. It was the Dark One’s touch, and it grew with each passing day. How long until it was as overwhelming, as oily and nauseating, as the taint that had once coated saidin, the male half of the One Power?

The room he stood in was wide and long, thick logs making up the outer wall. Planks of pine—still smelling faintly of sap and stain—made up the other walls. The room was furnished sparsely: fur rug on the floor, a pair of aged crossed swords above the hearth, furniture of wood with the bark left on in patches. The entire place had been decorated in a way to say that this was an idyllic home in the woods, away from the bustle of larger cities. Not a cabin, of course—it was far too large and lavish for that. A retreat.

“Rand?” a soft voice asked. He didn’t turn, but felt Min’s fingers touch his arm. A moment later, her hands moved to his waist and he felt her head rest upon his arm. He could feel her concern for him through the bond they shared.

Steel, he thought.

“I know you don’t like—” Min began.

“The boughs,” he said, nodding out the window. “You see those pines, just to the side of Bashere’s camp?”

“Yes, Rand. But—”

“They blow the wrong direction,” Rand said.

Min hesitated, and though she gave no physical reaction, the bond brought him her spike of alarm. Their window was on the upper floor of the manor, and outside of it, banners set above the camp flapped against themselves: the Banner of Light and the Dragon Banner for Rand, a much smaller blue flag bearing the three red kingspenny blossoms to mark the presence of House Bashere. All three flew proud . . . yet just to the side of them, the needles on the pines blew in the opposite direction.

“The Dark One stirs, Min,” Rand said. He could almost think these winds a result of his own ta’veren nature, but the events he caused were always possible. The wind blowing in two directions at once . . . well, he could feel the wrongness in the way those pines moved, even if he did have trouble distinguishing the individual needles. His eyesight hadn’t been the same since the attack on that day he’d lost his hand. It was as if . . . as if he looked through water at something distorted. It was getting better, slowly.

This building was one in a long line of manors, estates and other remote hiding places Rand had used during the last few weeks. He’d wanted to keep moving, jumping from location to location, following the failed meeting with Semirhage. He’d wanted time to think, to consider, and hopefully time to confuse the enemies that might be searching for him. Lord Algarin’s manor in Tear had been compromised; a pity. That had been a good place to stay. But Rand had to keep moving.

Below, Bashere’s Saldaeans had set up a camp on the manor’s green—the open patch of grass out front, bounded by rows of fir and pine trees. Calling it the “green” seemed an irony, these days. Even before the army’s arrival, it hadn’t been green—it had been a patchy brown, winter thatch broken only occasionally by hesitant new shoots. Those had been sickly and yellow, and they had now been trampled by hooves or booted feet.

Tents covered the green. From Rand’s vantage on the second floor, the neat lines of small, peaked tents reminded him of squares on a stones board. The soldiers had noticed the wind . Some pointed, others kept their heads down, polishing armor, carry ing buckets of water to the horse lines, sharpening swords or lance points. At least it was not the dead walking again. The most firm-hearted of men could lose their will when spirits rose from their graves, and Rand needed his army to be strong.

Need. No longer was it about what Rand wanted or what he wished. Everything he did focused only on need, and what he needed most was the lives of those who followed him. Soldiers to fight, and to die, to prepare the world for the Last Battle. Tarmon Gai’don was coming. What he needed was for them all to be strong enough to win.

To the far left of the green, running below the modest hill where the manor rested, a twisting stream cut the ground, sprouting with yellow stickfinger reeds and scrub oak that had yet to send out spring buds. A small waterway, to be certain, but a fine source of fresh water for the army.

Just outside the window, the winds suddenly righted themselves, and the flags whipped around, blowing in the other direction. So it hadn’t been the needles after all, but the banners that had been in the wrong. Min let out a soft sigh, and he could feel her relief, though she still worried about him. That emotion was perpetual, lately. He felt it from all of them, each of the four bundles of emotions tucked away in the back of his mind. Three for the women he had allowed to place themselves there, one for the woman who had forced her way in against his will. One of them was drawing closer. Aviendha, coming with Rhuarc to meet with Rand at the manor house.

Each of the four women would regret their decision to bond him. He wished he could regret his decision to let them—or, at least, his decision to allow the three he loved. But the truth was that he needed Min, needed her strength and her love. He would use her as he used so many others. No, there was no place in him for regret. He just wished he could banish guilt as easily.

Ilyena! a voice said distantly in Rand’s head. My love. . . . Lews Therin Telamon, Kinslayer, was relatively quiet this day. Rand tried not to think too hard about the things Semirhage had said on the day when Rand had lost his hand. She was one of the Forsaken; she would say anything if she thought it would bring her target pain.

She tortured an entire city to prove herself, Lews Therin whispered. She has killed a thousand men a thousand different ways to see how their screams would differ from one another. But she rarely lies. Rarely.

Rand pushed the voice away.

“Rand,” Min said, softer than before.

He turned to look at her. She was lithe and slight of build, and he often felt that he towered over her. She kept her hair in short ringlets, the color dark—but not as dark as her deep, worried eyes. As always, she had chosen to wear a coat and trousers. Today, they were of a deep green, much like the needles on the pines outside. Yet, as if to contradict her tailored choice, she had had the outfit made to accentuate her figure. Silver embroidery in the shape of bonabell flowers ran around the cuffs, and lace peeked out from the sleeves beneath. She smelled faintly of lavender, perhaps from the soap she’d taken to most recently.

Why wear trousers only to trim herself up with lace? Rand had long abandoned trying to understand women. Understanding them would not help him reach Shayol Ghul. Besides, he didn’t need to understand women in order to use them. Particularly if they had information he needed.

He gritted his teeth. No, he thought. No, there are lines I will not cross. There are things even I will not do.

“You’re thinking about her again,” Min said, almost accusatory.

He often wondered if there was such a thing as a bond that worked only one way. He would have given much for one of those.

“Rand, she’s one of the Forsaken,” Min continued. “She would have killed all of us without a second thought.”

“She wasn’t intending to kill me,” Rand said softly, turning away from Min and looking out the window again. “Me she would have held.”

Min cringed. Pain, worry. She was thinking of the twisted male a’dam that Semirhage had brought, 
hidden, when she’d come impersonating the Daughter of the Nine Moons. The Forsaken’s disguise had been disrupted by Cadsuane’s ter’angreal, allowing Rand to recognize Semirhage. Or, at least, allowing Lews Therin to recognize her.

The exchange had ended with Rand losing a hand but gaining one of the Forsaken as his prisoner. The last time he’d been in a similar situation, it hadn’t ended well. He still didn’t know where Asmodean had gone or why the weasel of a man had fled in the first place, but Rand did suspect that he had betrayed much about Rand’s plans and activities.

Should have killed him. Should have killed them all.

Rand nodded, then froze. Had that been Lews Therin’s thought or his own? Lews Therin, Rand thought. Are you there? He thought he heard laughter. Or perhaps it was sobbing.

Burn you! Rand thought. Talk to me! The time is coming. I need to know what you know! How did you seal the Dark One’s prison? What went wrong, and why did it leave the prison flawed? Speak to me!

Yes, that was definitely sobbing, not laughter. Sometimes it was hard to tell with Lews Therin. Rand continued to think of the dead man as a separate individual from himself, regardless of what Semirhage had said. He had cleansed saidin! The taint was gone and it could touch his mind no longer. He was not going to go insane.

The descent into terminal madness can be . . . abrupt. He heard her words again, spoken for the others to hear. His secret was finally out. But Min had seen a viewing of Rand and another man melded together. Didn’t that mean that he and Lews Therin were two separate people, two individuals forced into one body?

It makes no difference that his voice is real, Semirhage had said. In fact, it makes his situation worse. . . .

Rand watched a particular group of six soldiers inspect the horse lines that ran along the right side of the green, between the last line of tents and the line of trees. They checked the hooves one at a time.

Rand couldn’t think about his madness. He also couldn’t think about what Cadsuane was doing with Semirhage. That left only his plans. The north and the east must be as one. The west and the south must be as one. The two must be as one. That was the answer he’d received from the strange creatures beyond the red stone doorway. It was all he had to go on.

North and east. He had to force the lands into peace, whether they wanted it or not. He had a tenuous balance in the east, with Illian, Mayene, Cairhien and Tear all under his control in one way or another. The Seanchan ruled in the south, with Altara, Amadicia and Tarabon under their control. Murandy might soon be theirs, if they were pressing in that direction. That left Andor and Elayne.

Elayne. She was distant, far to the east, but he could still feel her bundle of emotions in his head. At such a distance, it was difficult to tell much, but he thought she was . . . relieved. Did that mean that her struggle for power in Andor was going well? What of the armies that had besieged her? And what were those Borderlanders up to? They had left their posts, joining together and marching south to find Rand, but giving no explanation of what they wanted of him. They were some of the best soldiers west of the Spine of the World. Their help would be invaluable at the Last Battle. But they had left the northlands. Why?

He was loath to confront them, however, for fear it could mean yet another fight. One he couldn’t afford at the moment. Light! He would have thought that, of all people, he could have depended on the Border-landers to support him against the Shadow.

No matter, not for the moment. He had peace, or something close to it, in most of the land. He tried not to think about the recently placated rebellion against him in Tear or the volatility of the borders with Seanchan lands, or the plottings of the nobility in Cairhien. Every time he thought he had a nation secure, it seemed a dozen others fell apart. How could he bring peace to a people who refused to accept it?

Min’s fingers tightened on his arm, and he took a deep breath. He did what he could, and for now, he had two goals. Peace in Arad Doman and a truce with the Seanchan. The words he’d received beyond the doorway were now clear: He could not fight both the Seanchan and the Dark One. He had to keep the Seanchan from advancing until the Last Battle was over. After that, the Light could burn them all.

Why had the Seanchan ignored his requests for a meeting? Were they angered that he had captured Semirhage? He had let the sul’dam go free. Did that not speak of his good faith? Arad Doman would prove his intentions. If he could end the fight in Almoth Plain, he could show the Seanchan that he was serious in his suits for peace. He would make them see!

Rand took a deep breath, studying out the window. Bashere’s eight thousand soldiers were erecting peaked tents and digging an earthen moat and wall around the green. The growing bulwark of deep brown contrasted with the white tents. Rand had ordered the Asha’man to help with the digging, and though he doubted they enjoyed the humble work, it did speed the process greatly. Besides, Rand suspected that they—like he himself—secretly savored any excuse to hold saidin. He could see a small group of them in their stiff black coats, weaves spinning around them as they dug up another patch of ground. There were ten of them in the camp, though only Flinn, Naeff and Narishma were full Asha’man.

The Saldaeans worked quickly, wearing their short coats as they cared for their mounts and set pickets. Others took shovelfuls of dirt from the Asha’man mound and used it to pack into the bulwark. Rand could see there was that displeasure on the faces of many of the hawk-nosed Saldaeans. They didn’t like making camp in a wooded area, even one as sparsely flecked with pine as this hillside. Trees made cavalry charges difficult and could hide enemies as they approached.

Davram Bashere himself rode slowly through the camp, barking orders through that thick mustache of his. Beside him walked Lord Tellaen, a portly man in a long coat and wearing a thin Domani mustache. He was an acquaintance of Bashere’s.

Lord Tellaen put himself at risk by housing Rand; sheltering the troops of the Dragon Reborn could be seen as treason. But who was there to punish him? Arad Doman was in chaos, the throne under threat from several rebel factions. And then there was the great Domani general Rodel Ituralde and his surprisingly effective war against the Seanchan to the south.

Like his men, Bashere went about unarmored in a short blue coat. He also wore a pair of the baggy trousers that he favored, the bottoms tucked into his knee-high boots. What did Bashere think of being caught in Rand’s ta’veren web? In being, if not in direct opposition to the will of his queen, at least uncomfortably to the side of it? How long had it been since he had reported to his rightful ruler? Hadn’t he promised Rand that his queen’s support would be speedy in coming? How many months ago had that been?

I am the Dragon Reborn, Rand thought. I break all covenants and vows. Old allegiances are unimportant. Only Tarmon Gai’don matters. Tarmon Gai’don, and the servants of the Shadow.

“I wonder if we’ll find Graendal here,” Rand said thoughtfully.

“Graendal?” Min asked. “What makes you think she might be?”

Rand shook his head. Asmodean had said Graendal was in Arad Doman, though that had been months ago. Was she still here? It seemed plausible; it was one of the few major nations where she could be. Graendal liked to have a hidden base of power far from where the other Forsaken lurked; she wouldn’t have set up in Andor, Tear or Illian. Nor would she have been caught in the lands to the southwest, not with the Seanchan invasion.

She would have a hidden retreat somewhere. That was how she operated. Probably in the mountains, secluded, somewhere here in the north. He couldn’t be sure she was in Arad Doman, though it felt right to him, from what he knew of her. From what Lews Therin knew of her.

But it was only a possibility. He would be careful, watching for her. Each of the Forsaken that he removed would make the Last Battle that much easier to fight. It would—

Soft footsteps approached his closed door.

Rand released Min and they both spun, Rand reaching for his sword—a useless gesture, now. The loss of his hand, though it wasn’t his primary sword hand, would leave him vulnerable if he were to face a skilled opponent. Even with saidin to provide a far more potent weapon, his first instinct was for the sword. He’d have to change that. It might get him killed someday.

The door opened and Cadsuane strode in, as confident as any queen at court. She was a handsome woman, with dark eyes and an angular face. Her dark gray hair was up in a bun, a dozen tiny golden ornaments—each one a ter’angreal or angreal—hanging in their places atop it. Her dress was of a simple, thick wool, tied at the waist with a yellow belt, with more yellow embroidery across the collar. The dress itself was green, which was not uncommon, as that was her Ajah. Rand sometimes felt that her stern face—ageless, like that of any Aes Sedai who had worked long enough with the Power—would have fit better in the Red Ajah.

He relaxed his hand on his sword, though he did not release it. He fingered the cloth-tied hilt. The weapon was long, slightly curved, and the lacquered scabbard was painted with a long, sinuous dragon of red and gold. It looked as if it had been designed specifically for Rand—and yet it was centuries old, unearthed only recently. How odd, that they should find this now, he thought, and make a gift of it to me, completely unaware of what they were holding. . . .

He had taken to wearing the sword immediately. It felt right beneath his fingers. He had told no one, not even Min, that he had recognized the weapon. And not, oddly, from Lews Therin’s memories—but Rand’s own.

Cadsuane was accompanied by several others. Nynaeve was expected; she often followed Cadsuane these days, like a rival cat she found encroaching on her territory. She did it for him, likely. The dark-haired Aes Sedai had never quite given up being Wisdom of Emond’s Field, no matter what she said, and she gave no quarter to anyone she thought was abusing one under her protection. Unless, of course, Nynaeve herself was the one doing the abusing.

Today, she wore a dress of gray with a yellow sash at the waist over her belt—a new Domani fashion, he had heard—and had the customary red dot on her forehead. She wore a long gold necklace and slim gold belt, with matching bracelets and finger rings, both studded with large red, green and blue gems. The jewelry was a ter’angreal—or, rather, several of them and an angreal too—comparable to what Cadsuane wore. Rand had occasionally heard Nynaeve muttering that her ter’angreal, with the gaudy gems, were impossible to match to her clothing.

Where Nynaeve wasn’t a surprise, Alivia was. Rand hadn’t been aware that the former damane had been involved in the . . . information gathering. Still, she was supposed to be even stronger than Nynaeve in the One Power, so perhaps she had been brought for support. One could never be too careful where the Forsaken were concerned.

There were streaks of white in Alivia’s hair, and she was just a bit taller than Nynaeve. That white in her hair was telling—any white or gray on a woman who wielded the One Power meant age. A great deal of it. Alivia claimed to be four centuries old. Today, the former damane wore a strikingly red dress, as if in an attempt to be confrontational. Most damane, once unleashed, remained timid. Not so with Alivia—there was an intensity to her that almost suggested a Whitecloak.

He felt Min stiffen, and he felt her displeasure. Alivia would help Rand die, eventually. That had been one of Min’s viewings—and Min’s viewings were never wrong. Except that she’d said she’d been wrong about Moiraine. Perhaps that meant that he wouldn’t have to. . . .

No. Anything that made him think of living through the Last Battle, anything that made him hope, was dangerous. He had to be hard enough to accept what was coming to him. Hard enough to die when the time came.

You said we could die, Lews Therin said in the back of his mind. You promised!

Cadsuane said nothing as she walked across the room, helping herself to a cup of the spiced wine that sat on a small serving table beside the bed. Then she sat down in one of the red cedar chairs. At least she hadn’t demanded that he pour the wine for her. That sort of thing wasn’t beyond her.

“Well, what did you learn?” he asked, walking from the window and pouring himself a cup of wine as well. Min walked to the bed—with its frame of cedar logs and a skip-peeled headboard stained deeply reddish brown—and sat down, hands in her lap. She watched Alivia carefully.

Cadsuane raised an eyebrow at the sharpness in Rand’s voice. He sighed, forcing down his annoyance. He had asked her to be his counselor, and he had agreed to her stipulations. Min said there was something important he would need to learn from Cadsuane—that was another viewing—and in truth, he had found her advice useful on more than one occasion. She was worth her constant demands for decorum.

“How did the questioning go, Cadsuane Sedai?” he asked in a more moderate tone.

She smiled to herself. “Well enough.”

“Well enough?” Nynaeve snapped. She had made no promises to Cadsuane about civility. “That woman is infuriating!”

Cadsuane sipped her wine. “I wonder what else one could expect from one of the Forsaken, child. She has had a great deal of time to practice being . . . infuriating.”

“Rand, that . . . creature is a stone,” Nynaeve said, turning to him. “She’s yielded barely a single useful sentence despite days of questioning! All she does is explain how inferior and backward we are, with the occasional aside that she’s eventually going to kill us all.” Nynaeve reached up to her long, single braid—but stopped herself short of tugging on it. She was getting better about that. Rand wondered why she bothered, considering how obvious her temper was.

“For all the girl’s dramatic talk,” Cadsuane said, nodding to Nynaeve, “she has a reasonable grasp on the situation. Phaw! When I said ‘well enough’ you were to interpret it as ‘as well as you might expect, given our unfortunate constraints.’ One cannot blindfold an artist, then be surprised when he has nothing to paint.”

“This isn’t art, Cadsuane,” Rand said dryly. “It’s tor-
ture.” Min shared a glance with him, and he felt her concern. Concern for him? He wasn’t the one 
being tortured.

The box, Lews Therin whispered. We should have died in the box. Then . . . then it would be over.

Cadsuane sipped her wine. Rand hadn’t tasted his—he already knew that the spices were so strong as to render the drink unpalatable. Better that than the alternative.

“You press us for results, boy,” Cadsuane said. “And yet you deny us the tools we need to get them. Whether you name it torture, questioning, or baking, I call it foolishness. Now, if we were allowed to—”

“No!” Rand growled, waving a hand . . . a stump . . . at her. “You will not threaten or hurt her.”

Time spent in a dark box, being pulled forth and being beaten repeatedly. He would not have a woman in his power treated the same way. Not even one of the Forsaken. “You may question her, but some things I will not allow.”

Nynaeve sniffed. “Rand, she’s one of the Forsaken, dangerous beyond reason!”

“I am aware of the threat,” Rand said flatly, holding up the stump where his left hand had been. The metallic gold and red tattoo of a dragon’s body sparkled in the lamplight. Its head had been consumed in the Fire that had nearly killed him.

Nynaeve took a deep breath. “Yes, well, then you must see that normal rules shouldn’t apply to her!”

“I said no!” Rand said. “You will question her, but you will not hurt her!” Not a woman. I will keep to this one shred of light inside me. I’ve caused the deaths and sorrows of too many women already.

“If that is what you demand, boy,” Cadsuane said tersely, “then that is what shall be done. Just don’t whine when we are unable to drag out of her what she had for breakfast yesterday, let alone the locations of the other Forsaken. One begins to wonder why you insist we continue this farce at all. Perhaps we should simply turn her over to the White Tower and be done with it.”

Rand turned away. Outside, the soldiers had finished with the horse lines. They looked good. Even and straight, the animals given just the right amount of slack.

Turn her over to the White Tower? That would never happen. Cadsuane wouldn’t let Semirhage out of her grip until she got the answers she wanted. The wind still blew outside, his own banners flapping before his eyes.

“Turn her over to the White Tower, you say?” he said, glancing back into the room. “Which White Tower? Would you entrust her to Elaida? Or did you mean the others? I doubt that Egwene would be pleased if I dropped one of the Forsaken in her lap. Egwene might just let Semirhage go and take me captive instead. Force me to kneel before the White Tower’s justice and gentle me just to give her another notch in her belt.”

Nynaeve frowned. “Rand! Egwene would never—”

“She’s Amyrlin,” he said, downing his cup of wine in one gulp. It was as putrid as he recalled. “Aes Sedai to the core. I’m just another pawn to her.”

Yes, Lews Therin said. We need to stay away from all of them. They refused to help us, you know. Refused! Said my plan was too reckless. That left me with only the Hundred Companions, no women to form a circle. Traitors! This is their fault. But . . . but I’m the one who killed Ilyena. Why?

Nynaeve said something, but Rand ignored her. Lews Therin? he said to the voice. What was it you did? The women wouldn’t help? Why?

But Lews Therin had begun sobbing again, and his voice grew distant.

“Tell me!” Rand yelled, throwing his cup down. “Burn you, Kinslayer! Speak to me!”

The room fell silent.

Rand blinked. He’d never . . . never tried speaking to Lews Therin out loud where others could hear. And they knew. Semirhage had spoken of the voice that he heard, dismissing Rand as if he were a common madman.

Rand reached up, running a hand through his hair. Or he tried to . . . but he used the arm that was only a stump, and it accomplished nothing.

Light! he thought. I’m losing control. Half the time, I don’t know which voice is mine and which is his. This was supposed to get better when I cleansed saidin! I was supposed to be safe. . . .

Not safe, Lews Therin muttered. We were already mad. Can’t turn back from that now. He began to cackle, but the laughter turned to sobs.

Rand looked around the room. Min’s dark eyes were so worried he had to turn away. Alivia—who had watched the exchange about Semirhage with those penetrating eyes of hers—seemed too knowing. Nynaeve finally gave in and tugged on her braid. For once, Cadsuane didn’t chastise him for his outburst. Instead she just sipped her wine. How could she stand the stuff?

The thought was trivial. Ridiculous. He wanted to laugh. Only, the sound wouldn’t come out. He couldn’t summon even a wry humor, not anymore. Light! I can’t keep this up. My eyes see as if in a fog, my hand is burned away, and the old wounds in my side rip open if I do anything more strenuous than breathe. I’m dry, like an overused well. I need to finish my work here and get to Shayol Ghul.

Otherwise, there won’t be anything left of me for the Dark One to kill.

That wasn’t a thought to cause laughter; it was one to cause despair. But Rand did not weep, for tears could not come from steel.

For the moment, Lews Therin’s cries seemed enough for both of them.

* * *

 

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927 comments
Jason Denzel
1. JasonDenzel
More WoT news:
http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=641
Peter Nein
2. gimpols1908
Arrgh... can't read yet, must finish KoD first...
Jason Bongle
6. jackelope
OMG, maybe reading this wasn't the right thing to do... I am normally all for spoilers but now I feel almost twitchy. Almost two months yet to go:( Oh and Rand really needs to lighten up!
Scott
7. Shard
That was awesome, I love the title of this chapter.

The subtle hints and reminding us of Asmo and Grendal and even that Min was wrong about a vision concerning Moraine. Really great plot ties there. I can tell this is a different voice but it's a good one and does pay respect to the rest of the series.
brad
8. bdev_03
"He still didn’t know where Asmodean had gone or why the weasel of a man had ?ed in the ?rst place, but Rand did suspect that he had betrayed much about Rand’s plans and activities."

I KNEW the weasel killed him.

Asmodean is mentioned twice in this chapter, maybe we will finally find out lol.


I could also tell it wasn't RJ, not that that is bad
Roger Powell
9. forkroot
Yeah - It's a bit of a shock ... it's just not RJ's "voice" or style. I mean no disrespect to Brandon -- he said he wasn't going to try to imitate RJ.

So it feels like Randland , but with a different narrator. That's mostly OK, but the problem I'm having is that Rand doesn't speak like Rand did when RJ wrote him.

It's kinda hard to pinpoint it - I think its just that there's too much explanation of things.

Hey ... everyone (including Brandon) would have loved for RJ to live to finish the series (and a lot longer of course!) I will certainly not complain about the stylistic differences when I'm so glad that the story will be told.

It'll just take some getting used to....
Dasha
10. Dashenka276
Anyone have theories about what that sword that Rand apparently remembers is?
LT Tortora
11. Lucubratrix
It's a different style, for sure, but I think it works. It's definitely whet my appetite for the rest of the book....
Blaine Miller
12. Rebop
I am not so sure that Brandon wrote this chapter. RJ may have been trying to show how much stress Rand is under. The story was that several of the chapters were already written before Brandon got to the project.
Tess Laird
13. thewindrose
I agree with your thoughts forkroot.
And - hey didn't I call Egwene right in the last post:) - She is the Tower, Aes Sedai to her core.
Also seems Rand might be able to hook up with Aviendha before TG.
Ha - good call on Rands part about Graendal!
Can't wait for the whole book!
And also - Aaarrggg Rand - get over the female thing, they are Forsaken and darkfriends!!!
Deborah Kay-Morgan
14. moondivatx
Brandon, a job well done. RJ would be proud. The layers of the onion begin to slide away.

A new voice but you can tell he cares about the story.

No clue about the sword, will have to sleep on that one.
Josh Davis
15. YoSoyElJosh
The Sword wasn't seen in the Wayback Machine in Shadow Rising?
brad
16. bdev_03
"Anyone have theories about what that sword that Rand apparently remembers is?"

My first thought was that it was Kinslayer's sword while he was still kicking around
But, since Rand remembers it from his own memories, no ideas. Maybe he is just confused.
F Shelley
17. FSS
Yeah, Brandon's prose feels like a book report sometimes (something noticed reading the Mistborn series), but I actually think that's OK. Only RJ could be RJ.
Aaron
21. verous
Perhaps it is one of the Heroes swords - maybe Artur's sword?
Roger Powell
22. forkroot
Hmmm... thought about it some more.

One possible reason for the "chattiness" of some of this first chapter is that Brandon is doing what RJ did in some of the earlier books. RJ had a tendency to recap the story and "reintroduce" characters. He stopped doing that in the later books.

Well it's been four years since the last book came out, and the overwhelming majority of people who buy and read TGS will not be the hard-core re-reading fans who post here :-) This means that many readers could probably use the memory jog for events, characters, and geography.

I guess I'm saying that the stylistic change of this chapter is likely somewhat intentional when it comes to extra explanation. If so, I tip my cap to Brandon (and Harriet) for that.
Steven
23. StrangeCat
That was very very Good!!

Forkroot your being to critical and you will never be able to enjoy the book with that attitude. Let it go.
Daniel Cole
24. zaldar
It honestly sounded like Robert Jordan to me. The same flowery descriptions that I liked. Maybe a little less of the sniffing and such, but honestly that isn't much of a loss.
LT Tortora
25. Lucubratrix
I think the main thing, the most important thing, is that on reading this chapter, I was able to get right back into the story. The new voice wasn't so different as to be distracting.

That said, on the reread, the thing I noticed most was that Lews Therin sounded much different. Rand, too, but more so the voice in his head. It's hard to say at this point whether it's a style change, or for plot reasons, though.
jeffrey cherpako
26. cherjeff
I thiunk that when it is all over Shard , you will find that Min's viewing of Moiraine is accurate . Less than 2 months , please remind me to never start another series until all the books have been written .
Alec Coquin
27. bloggeratf
This was like hitting all the lottery numbers and then realizing its an old ticket. How very cruel.
Joseph Blaidd
28. SteelBlaidd
Well
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Damn
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This is going to be fun.

I would say Rand really needs to get laid but that doesn't seem to be helping.

On differences: The path of the wind is longer and Brandon doesn't do description as naturally as RJ did, but this is definitely WoT. I stand by my assertion that Rand's crazy is more from PTSD than the Taint.

I'm going to have to reread this
Maggie M
29. Eswana
Ooooh, I'm so happy!!!! What a great way to kick off the weekend! It's nice to be back in Rand's head again, and like Jason mentioned in his review, you really begin to feel sorry for the poor guy.

I'm actually surprised that Semi isn't being held in an a'dam like Moghedian was. Especially with Nynaeve there. Hmm.

I can't wait till October 27th!! Yay!!
johntheirishmongol
30. johntheirishmongol
More!!! Gimmee more!!! Now!!!

crosses arms and pouts like a SG
Jonah Feldman
31. relogical
The first part with the long description felt a little odd and recappy, but once it got to Rand it was perfect, I barely noticed the difference in writing style.

On the story note, it's interesting to see what Rand thinks of Asmo, the Finns, and the Aes Sedai. I never put together the fact that the Companions were all male, and couldn't form links. The Breaking might have been controllable if the female AS hadn't abandoned them... or it could have been worse.
Madeleine Lee
32. keita12686
I literally squeaked aloud when I saw this posted. Yay! Makes it a bit harder to wait, but oh well. I'll take the tidbits I can get.

A bit disappointed that we start with the White Tower but didn't go there... but perhaps it's in the prologue? In any case, Rand is also awesome.

*facepalms* Oh Rand, it's one of the Forsaken. Just crucio her and be done with it.
Curtis
33. Mixam
I agree with forkroot. It just didn't feel right to me. From the first sentence of the second paragraph on it just didn't feel like Robert Jordan. Words like magnificent and workaday just popped out to me like something I've never heard Robert Jordan use. I haven't read any of Brandon's books yet so I don't know if it reads like his books or not, it just didn't feel like RJ to me.

I remember hearing that RJ wrote some of the book before he died mostly the last chapter and some of the prologue. I assume the "last chapter" material won't be for another two books though as now there will be three so we won't get to see any of that. But he did write at least part of the prologue. It's going to seem weird to me if there are paragraphs written by RJ mixed in with Brandon's writing in the same chapter.

Maybe I've just read the series too many times (in the range of about 10 times each book, more for the first few) I'm not saying its bad writing, it just feels weird to me. I'm sure once I've been reading a few chapters and get used to Brandon's writing style I will get used to it and get more immersed in the story. As of right now, I'll be reading along and something just feels wrong either a word, a name* or the way Rand talks. I hope that will go away, or I'll be very disappointed by the book, especially after reading that review that said it was a great book.

*Naeff just feels wrong to me. All the Ashaman are Tiam's except the ones Rand raised himself so where did Naeff come from? I don't remember Naeff being a soldier or dedicated around Rand. Perhaps its explained in the prologue? Or maybe that was one of the guys who won the chance to get his name in the book. I remember a competition about that on Brandon's website.

Edit: Oh and there is not much new here, I was hoping for something exciting or new to get my fix. But all that was new really is we now know rand is in Arad Doman, he has a new sword and he's now talking aloud to himself. That's pretty much it that is new. On the sword issue, I can only think of three things... he saw it in ter angrael in Rhuidin or maybe one of the heroes called back by the horn wielded it at Toman Head or lastly maybe he saw it when he went through all the different lives when traveling by portal stone when it went wrong.
Matthew Bridges
34. mbrid1214402
The narrator voice, while somewhat different, works for me! I agree with Lucubratrix. I was able to get re-involved with the story line immediately.

About the sword comments. Is Rand referring to the sword AND scabbard? From the text, he states he recognizes the "weapon", so I'm assuming he means the sword, but the description of the scabbard makes that suspect as well. Since it is "centuries" old rather than thousands, I doubt he would have seen it in his visions at Rhuidean; I first thought that perhaps it was a scabbard designed for Callandor, but dismissed that idea based upon my preceding statement... Perhaps he simply recognizes it as a power-wrought blade and is confused that Lews Therin is not familiar with them...
Jamie Phillips
35. xiaofox
Great chapter :-) I really connect emotionally with Rand and it breaks my heart to see how he just shrugs off his missing hand and accepts the fact he is destined to go mad and die. And that with his eyesight... unshed tears? This is the hardest and most inhuman I think we've seen Rand yet. It really highlights the fact that we are coming to the end. The last battle is nearly upon us and the hero is ready to meet it.

Cannot wait for the whole book to come out!
johntheirishmongol
36. Jambo
Yes u can definately tell that someone else has written this part, and it seems almost like a tv series with different actors. I know BS said he wouldnt try to copy RJ's 'voice' but i almost wish he had, this just sounds so different. im sure i'll get used to it, but one has to wonder how different things would be if RJ were still with us.
johntheirishmongol
37. dreamsdontlast
Happy Dance indeed!! Can't wait! :D
Ryan Kuhlmann
38. Rynlander
I've just been reading Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy, and this doesn't really seem to read like it at all. He's definitely making effort to write these books with care and an individual voice. Nothing less would work. I don't find it a problem at all, the difference in writing styles, because he seems to have the characters down.
steve p
39. steveo_in_sd
The sword is Justice, recognized by Rand from when Artur appeared at Falme.
william
40. robards
Wow that's it?

I agree that RJ's narrative style is noticeably absent, but not in a negative way. I enjoyed this.

Seems to me that RJ would have taken twice the wordcount to say the same thing here. Mr. Sanderson's style seems very fast. And if Sanderson expects the final three books to total 750k words,in his style, how long would it have been in RJ's style? 1.5 million?

Mr Jordan's death was a tragedy, but I am thinking (perhaps prematurely) that having Sanderson take over the end was a blessing for the Wheel of Time. If the story is to be as big as my assumptions above say it will be, then it may have been years and years before we would have seen the end by Jordan's hand.
Maiane Bakroeva
41. Isilel
Well, I like it. Not sure why Rand is suddenly badmouthing Egs - IIRC they didn't interact since LoC. And I don't recall Rand's previous sword - Laman's sword being destroyed? Or is it that it was more suited to the 2-handed fighting style?

Also, why is there talk about giving Semi to the Tower instead of just executing her themselves? I wish somebody would think to threaten her with balefire - that's practically the only thing that a FS would truly fear.
Jesse Armstrong
42. jeabombers
I thought the beginning didn't sound very RJ-like, but as I read on, I easily got lost in Brandon's writing and could not personally distinguish the two "styles". Kudos, Brandon!

I think that Rand thought that the sword/scabbard had been unearthed AFTER centuries of burial/hiding, not that it was only centuries old. Maybe it is an angreal/sa'angreal that was made for only men, and that is what he meant by recognizing it. Since you can reach through an angreal through clothing (he always drew from the fat little man w/ sword while it was in his coat pocket), that could explain why he thought it was foolish to even reach for a sword.

Much gratitude towards Tor, Brandon, and Harriet for allowing us to read the first chapter early!
Curtis
43. Mixam
@mbrid1214402: I kind of assumed it was a power wrought blade which would make it old enough for Rhuiden as the Aes Sedai stopped making them around the breaking (forget if it was before or after) anyways it would be what 3000 years old. So either the "centuries" is wrong or its not power wrought. I just assumed centuries was a mistake or oversight.

@xiaofox: I think what is wrong with his eyes is the Saa from his weird connection with Mordin due to that weird balefire crossing incident. It could be tears though based on the title of the chapter...

@steveo_in_sd: I thought of that too, but I'm thinking someone else would have recognized it if that was the case, I assume anyone who heard stories of Artur Hawking would have heard of his sword. That's why I thought it might be one of the lesser known heroes swords. Although if it was Justice, it would be poetic what with rand probably meeting with the Seanchan soon for him to show up with Justice on his hip ;)
j p
44. sps49
Tell Semirhage she will be severed if she doesn't cooperate. Then do it.

Then have an Asha'man Heal her.

Sever her from the Source again, and tell her she will be Healed when she cooperates.

Then let Nyneave Heal her.
Nikki Hayes
45. Saetana
I could definitely tell it was not RJ writing this, not that it was badly written, but it will take a bit of getting used to. I've been reading Warbreaker by BS on his website and it doesn't sound exactly like his books either. Hopefully, as someone else said, after a few chapters we should be into the story and not caring whether the writing style is the same or not.

Roll on release date!

Saetana
Antoni Ivanov
46. tonka
I definitely like this chapter. It was meant for reintroducing to the series and it was done very nicely. As for the feel , I don't know , it feels RJ's enough for me but Rand is definitely Rand ,yeah he is harder but that's to be expected after all - it's plot related.

And it even had its goosebumps moment : “Tell me!” Rand yelled, throwing his cup down. “Burn you, Kinslayer! Speak to me!”
johntheirishmongol
47. Junko
@33 Maybe Naeff came with Logain.

About the sword, I am so clueless in spite finishing KOD just two months back. My first read for every book in the series except TDR.

If I may say so, you guys make me feel like I'm the most inattentive reader in the world with your obsession with details. *sigh*
Antoni Ivanov
48. tonka
I read someone having problems with Naeff being a new name. It's a new book and it's supposed to have new characters introduced. Besides Naeff is most likely one of Logain followers (he must have bonded an Aes Sedai).We don't really know much about Logain's people.

And interesting to note is that Logain is not with Rand. ("only Flinn, Naeff and Narishma were full Asha’man" ).He is somewhere off on a mission. Or he is coming with Rhuarc and Aviendha although Rand din't mentioned him?
Collin Steeves
49. powerwisdomcourage
You guys can be way too critical, yeah the writing isn't 100% in sync with RJ's writing style, well what did you expect, HE'S NOT WRITING IT REMEMBER. stop complaining that it's not exactly the same and just be glad that we have such a talented writer to finish the story, think of where we would be otherwise, either not getting to have it finished at all or having someone not as skilled or not as suited to RJ's style finishing the books. Personally yeah I definitely noticed a difference in the writing styles especially during the wind paragraphs, but after about five minutes of reading I stopped noticing the SMALL differences in writing style and got swept away in the flow of the story again. Who cares if the writing is a little different, if it doesn't steal from the actual telling of the story who cares? Just be glad that he didn't try to exactly mimic RJ's writing style, that would have ruined it because the story wouldn't flow as well be cause Sanderson would be trying to write in voice that is not his own. I find the writing style to be a refreshing blend of the Sanderson I've read before and the Robert Jordan I've grown to love. Props and Kuddos to Sanderson on his accomplishment. That being said let's move on.

Yeah Min doesn't know the whole story about Moiraine remember Mat and party are going to try and rescue her from the tower of Genji. And I'm inclined to agree that Rand might have seen the sword when the heroes of legend helped him drive the Seanchan back to the sea at Falme in The Great Hunt.
Wesley Parish
50. Aladdin_Sane
Language could be tidied up a little:

"Even now, when they had suffered an indelible defeat: Egwene al’Vere, the rebel Amyrlin Seat, had been captured and imprisoned within the Tower."

"indelible defeat"? The tower is "broken and corrupted". Neither metaphor leads to the implicit metaphor that there are deeply-dyed problems to be scrubbed away. I'd rather see "total defeat before they had properly started" ... even though it's hardly metaphorical.

"The wind swept across brown winter grass, shaking the trees’ still-barren branches. To the west, as it approached the land known as Arad Doman—cresting hills and short peaks—something suddenly slammed against it. Something unseen, something spawned by the distant darkness to the north. Something that ?owed against the natural tide and currents of the air. The wind was consumed by it, blown southward in a gust, across low peaks and brown foothills to a log manor house, isolated, set upon the pine-forested hills in eastern Arad Doman."

"something suddenly slammed against it. Something unseen, "

and we are watching the World Wrestling Federation or some other such pseudo-sporting body's bodies inside the ring, and Big Bad Buddy's down for the count ... One, Twelve, sixpence non the wiser, Three, Sixty, Fifteen, Forty-Two ...

Or, the language could be improved.
Mo -
51. Astus
First post!
Yeah, it was definitely enough to wet my appetite for TGS. I must admit, it felt a bit weird reading that but it's probably more of a psychological thing on my part.

It seems that Rand's chivalry is still annoying as ever. If you want to keep some of the light in you then some plain compassion will do. Defending a psychotoic sadist because she's a woman is just silly but it is Rand so I'm content, as roundabout as that sounds =]

I just found his outright coldness and anger towards Egwene to be a tad odd. Maybe I'm missing something from previous books in that regard.

Props to Brandon on an effort well done.
Deborah Kay-Morgan
52. moondivatx
powderwisdomcourage:Great comment!! We all miss RJ..he was sick... so we waited for the last book. Then he died and all seemed to be lost. Thank goodness he wanted the story to survive him and did what he did so it could.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda are terrible bedpartners. RJ gave us his best right up to the end. Harriet is making sure his effort was not in vain. And Brandon, the creator bless him, he's walking a very high tight rope and doing very well.

He knows about RJ's followers, he is one, and he gets the story. Thank goodness he isn't trying to copy RJ's style, that always ends SAD. He's continuing the story..with honor and respect to both it and RJ.

Harriet thank you for sharing this first chapter. I for one needed it. It's been a very long wait for me and having lost my husband to a terminal illness understand how very long the wait has been for you too.
Philip Thomann
53. normalphil
Well, now I finally understand Leigh Butler's issues with Rand-pattern chivalry on a visceral level.
William Fettes
54. Wolfmage
Pretty good overall, I thought. BS's descriptive prose obviously isn't at the same level as RJ's, in terms of elegance and seamless integration into the text. But that was RJ's standout strength as a writer in the genre, so I don't think it's really fair to harp on that (especially in the first chapter). Suffice to say, it was definitely good enough to hold my interest, and going by his other efforts, there's plenty of reason to think it will improve. Plus, as someone else above remarked, BS's greater economy has the added advantage of keeping things moving at a good pace.

All in all, I could easily see myself getting lost in the future chapters as I get used to the new WOT voice.

If I had to offer any real quibbles, I would say it was a little self-consciously written in parts. I thought Rand's internal thought processes, in particular, were a tad over-laboured and over-expressed compared to where he was at in the later books - whereby RJ kept him a bit more wrapped in mystique. I just felt a little conscious of the writing process at some points, aware of the checklist of items this scene was designed to touch on to build up the right progression. However, I doubt that will be as transparent in subsequent scenes.

Another minor criticism I had was that I thought Cadsuane's dialogue was a little clumsy or something. She's meant to be pithy, yes, but it sounded a little off to me. Too many modern idiosyncrasies or idioms or something. It was chatty rather than peremptory. Hopefully that is ironed out a bit in later chapters as he gets more comfortable with writing her.

Contra others, I was actually happy to see that Rand's alienation with Egwene was touched on through his dialogue. It definitely felt like a natural encapsulation of where Egwene is at, at least from Rand's viewpoint. Maybe it was uncharitable and harsh, but it does add a much needed symmetry to Egwene's attitude to Rand, that was previously missing. This kind of discounting is necessary to establish a high degree of pessimism before there is a tipping point and some kind of reconciliation later. The books have always been building towards this since Egwene's test for Accepted, so I disagree that it is from left field.

Overall, it was very a respectable effort, and I think BS will do a great job.
Theodor Engström
55. Theodor
@51

It might have to do with Egwene, in Rands eyes, diclining to meet with the envoy he sent to her, not knowing she was captured.

Secondly, it might be his madness, with Lews Terrin and general suspicion affecting him.
William Fettes
56. Wolfmage
I don't think you need to invoke madness. A significant chuck of the readership think Egwene is the worst SG in terms of her hubris.
Theodor Engström
57. Theodor
@ Wolfmage

Yeah, I also agree with that, but the question is, does Rand himself really know enough about Egwenes thoughts and actions, to make this call?
Joseph Blaidd
58. SteelBlaidd
@55
Oh its most certainly the madness and of a piece with his Cadsuane "looks more like a Red than a Green" thought. Paranoia and out of proportion emotional responses are all parts of PTSD. And, as headdesky as it is, so is his refusal to hurt a woman even master torturer Simerhage

From the Wiki:
Diagnostic symptoms include re-experiencing original trauma(s), by means of flashbacks or nightmares; avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma; and increased arousal, such as difficulty falling or staying asleep, anger, and hypervigilance. Formal diagnostic criteria (both DMS-IV and ICD-9) require that the symptoms last more than one month and cause significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (e.g. problems with work and relationships).

Emphasis mine.
Indira Patra Juaini
59. indira
Some people have mentioned they may need to get used to the new writing style, it's not as noticeable if your listen to the audio. Michael Kramer, to me, still reads the same way. :)
S Diller
60. CuenDiller
What a great thing to wake up to on a saturday morning!!!!
William Fettes
61. Wolfmage
Rand's absolute prohibition on hurting women is established from the get go, and is consistent throughout the series. There's really no need to resort to the taint or PTSD filtering his cognition to explain that absurdity.

Now, it's certainly reasonable to suppose his deteriorated mental condition is affecting his suspicions and who he deems he can trust. However, really, the thought is only a little beyond the pale if you interpret it as hyperbole rather than as a literal allegation. Hyperbole is a bog standard WOT convention, used by RJ both for objective narrative and for subjective characterisation. I think, read in that light, it is a fairly natural expression of Rand's alienation from Egwene - not irrational 'madness'.
AL THOR
63. AL THOR
at last everyone will realise who killed asmodean. it was graendal. so we can finally put this on going story to rest.

as for rand it's really weird. the guy has turned into an emotionless pitiless stone and yet he cant harm a woman even if she's a forsaken sadist.

what a contradiction. rand is the most contradictory character in the series.
Antoni Ivanov
64. tonka
@62 The Dark One.
@63 Of course , he is half mad.

Btw, Why don't they use compulsion to Semirhage.Rand knows it . Nynaeve knows it. It won't hurt her (the contrary it would made her very happy to cooperate).

Although it seems pretty easy solution.There is a chance that you can ward yourself from compulsion and of course you can resist it . Semirhage seems the type of person(her experience added) who might be able to resist compulsion.I mean if Morgase can resist it partially , then Semi with all her experience and knowledge might be able to resist completely.Still it's worth a shot.
johntheirishmongol
67. wotfreak85
I am in the middle of the second Mistborn book (Well of Ascension). I have been interested in how Brandon was going to pull AMoL off, and I must say I like it. I could definitely tell there was something different about the whole wind part, just didn't sound like RJ, plus I remember Brandon saying that he got to write the part where it says the wheel of time turns etc. It definitely started to feel like RJ for me during the Cadsuane conversation. Can't wait for the book!!!
J Osterdahl
68. Muradin
One thing that struck me as slightly odd was, as someone else noted above, the whole wrestling match between the ever present first chapter wind and something "stemming from the distant darkness". Up 'til now I thought it was the wind itself that was of the Dark; remember the training sequence on top of the tower in Shienar with Rand and Lan and, in more recent books, the accompanying sulphur smell. But what now? Two different winds? Something else?
Antoni Ivanov
69. tonka
@68 Muradin

I am sorry but I don't understand what you mean at all? What two winds ? The wind is wind , it is not dark or light .
J Osterdahl
70. Muradin
@69

First we have the wind, then we have, and I quote:

"The wind swept something suddenly slammed against it. Something unseen, something spawned by the distant darkness to the north. Something that ?owed against the natural tide and currents of the air."

So something spawned by the distant darkness to the north smashes into the wind, the same wind which, inter alia, tried to impale Rand on Lan's training sword. That is what I don't get.

EDIT: Of course, it might not be the -same- wind. Just some other completely happenstance wind that conveniently appears at the beginning of each new book ;-P
Antoni Ivanov
71. tonka
It was a small bubble of evil or some other effect of the Dark One's touch on the World , the same as the spoiling food for instance. The food or the wind are not special for what they are , I think.
J Osterdahl
72. Muradin
@71

That might be it. Had honestly not thought of what happened during the training sequence as an early bubble of evil, although come to think about it, it fits nicely.
battle ajah
73. battleajah
a.) Loved this preview! While I would have preferred the 20,000-word prologue before this chapter, I'll take what I can get. I can't wait to buy the prologue in a few weeks!

b.) I noticed the change in voice immediately, but I was too giddy to care. I've only read one of BS' books so far, and I thought BS did an excellent job in adapting his style to fit the WOT series.

c.) Re- the wine: I'm personally glad that there was no wine slopping over anyone's wrists. I did see the Nynaeve sniff. Now I'll be wondering how many skirt smoothing or chipped basins/pitchers will be appearing in October.
James Hogan
74. Sonofthunder
I agree that the style is different...and we knew it would be. Thank the Light Brandon's not trying to copy RJ's style!! But as I kept reading the chapter and my over-critical mind stopped trying to find fault...I was able to slip into the story and it felt right. :) I've been doing my KoD reread(about half-way through), so all the same characters(Min, Rand, Nynaeve, et al) are together, and reading this - it sounded like it could be in KoD. Especially Rand. Especially LTT in his head...what a chilling moment when he spoke aloud!! Well done, Brandon. It definitely will be a bit of an adjustment reading a new style...but if it's like this, I think we'll all be happy. :)
Joseph Clark
75. ereinion
@aladdin: I thought that the 'unseen thing' slamming against the wind was a nice touch. THE wind getting defeated definitely evoked of sense of something being very, very wrong.

Also I think that Min's thought that the Banners were being blown in the wrong direction was incorrect. Rather whatever had beaten the wind had finally overcome whatever was keeping the dragon banners going the right direction.

Excellent
Joseph Clark
76. ereinion
@Muradin: There was a post on dragonmount recently that gave a recap of part of the prologue as told by RJ that gives some insight as to what perhaps it was that slammed against the wind.

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,42449.0.html
David
77. David M.
It reads a bit like very high quality fan fiction, which makes sense, since it kind of is. It's just that this fanfic also serves as holy canon. The one change that absolutely jumped out at me was the switch from Jordan's breeches to Sanderson's trousers. Weird detail to notice.

I liked that it started with Rand, even if it took the (unnatural) wind to get to him. I think it's the first book since LoC to start with him, isn't it? CoS started where he was, but it was Perrin's PoV, if I recall correctly. For all the criticism he gets, Rand is still my favorite character. Something about the tragedy of messiah figures gets to me.

Also, I really thought the wind hitting something evil was a nice touch. This is supposed to be the first of a closing trilogy of books, and we have the same opening as in the rest of the series, only for the first time, something stops the natural progression of things--the wind is not the beginning, but it is A beginning, the beginning of the end. It was a good touch.
Richard Dean
78. phoenixsorcerer
The wait has been long, and longer still yet. But soon, so dearly soon, this text will be released, along with it's brethren chapters. My eyes yearn for more, but I must wait...
Patty Talavera
79. Tally
I was fortunate enough to be at DragonCon in Atlanta last night at the TOR presentation. I got a printed copy of this chapter and went to my hotel room as quickly as I could to read it in peace. I am a fan of Brandon and of Robert Jordan. Reading aloud I felt blessed to have been able to read this and enjoy the story proceeding once again. Like I was on course again and glad of it all around. It is wonderful we have this so soon to hold us over till the other releases! Happy dance and joyful noises being made...:)
Blake Engholm
80. UncrownedKing
First,
WHOOOOOOOO!!!!

Second, I absolutely love how dark Rand is. Made of awesome. Just seeing how the loss of his hand and eyesight have effected him is makin me twitch for the rest of the book. Definately had a jaw dropping moment when I read the Lews Therin Rand exchange. Very well done.

Third, I can also tell its not Mr. Jordan. However, and its a big however, he has done a good job here. Its almost intoxicating. I ate it up. Now it may be because I am WOT starved, but I feel that Brandon has done what he said he'd do (not imitate, but to combine the two styles).

Bravo Bravo
flattesterik
81. flattesterik
Truly, it is really different and a bit awkward! It's like playing Monkey Island Special Edition: quite fun, but not as fun as the original.
Hopefully after the whole book i would say that it just took time getting used to. Hope so.
mitch davis
82. mitchwdavis
What is with NOT doing whatever is necessary to get information out of Semirhage?? It seems unrealistic that Rand would hesitate to put the screws to one of the forsaken, just because she is female. The Last Battle is fast approaching, such an attitude doesn't seem very "steel" like.
Sharon Vernon
83. rockgoddes
LOVED it. Am so excited, I can't wait.

I actually said, "Uh oh..." aloud when Rand spoke to Lews Therin out loud. That won't be good for him...
Kristi Deming
84. hannaclay0118
First off, it's about time something I've been saying for so long was confirmed: it WAS the fault of the female Aes Sedai that the world was broken. Men can't link, and Latra Posae Decume (The Strike at Shayol Ghul) and her "Fateful Concord" made sure none of the female Aes Sedai would help the men, so the men COULDN'T link. Instead of one huge shield to cover the men placing the focal points, there were however many of the 113 men who went with LTT tiny shields, none joined...all those little nooks and holes in between, so it was no wonder that the "kick" (like a kick from firing a gun) would be able to get through to taint Saidin. And despite the comments of the Chosen, the DO didn't taint Saidin...not consciously. It was simply from the "kick", "dust rising from something being dropped on the ground", etc etc., getting through the holes...it just worked so well in his favor that no one would think that it wasn't a direct action on his part (and he's not going to tell anyone differently.) I'm glad LTT is telling Rand this. Though, it will make Rand dislike Aes Sedai more (is that really a bad thing?)

For the people who have already started with Asmodean's death: he didn't say Graendal killed him. And, although I agree on the point that the "weasel" (Padan Fain) was the one to kill Asmodean, Rand was calling Asmodean a weasel..."Why the weasel of a man had fled in the first place..."

I do like the fact that the theory that Semirhage let herself get caught is gaining even more credibility...

Okay, I'm stoked...I'm still reserving my judgment on Sanderson. I want to get excited, but I want to see how he handles the whole book, not just a scene, before I give him my stamp of approval. If he keeps on this way, I don't see it being difficult to accept him completely.
Antoni Ivanov
85. tonka
@82.mitchwdavis

It's Rand, that's something he would do. If you have read the last 11 books carefully you wouldn't find that unrealistic (not mentioning that I know people like him ( in that matter only ) ).
Maiane Bakroeva
86. Isilel
@84:

it WAS the fault of the female Aes Sedai that the world was broken.

We still don't know this, as LTT won't tell Rand what exactly happened. Personally, I think that LTT's plan _was_ reckless and flawed and if women chose to participate, saidar would have been tainted also.

I mean, together with Lanfear's "boring" activities ;) it would be an overkill on the Eve front.

Re: Semirhage, I really miss Moiraine and her balefire.
Now Semi is bound to escape, probably killing Alanna, Cadsuane and some bit characters in the process and likely doing something unpleasant, but reversible to Min. All of which will drive Rand over the bend and... Argh!
Vasu S
87. vasu619
Was that really all of the first chapter? Seemed a bit short to me.
Billy Martin
88. dawgriver
I read the chapter early this morning; sometime after midnight. I didn't really notice Sanderson's Footprint. But then I never actually read any but The Path of Daggers and A Crown of Swords. All the rest I've listened to being read by Michael Kramer and his wife Kate Reading.

SO... this afternoon I've just listened to this first chapter and once again, I feel no footprint of Brandon at all. This first is done from a male POV so Kramer does the reading and he continues to deliver the goods in fine style. It seems seamless to me and has the same feel.

Now I'm not one to parse every single little thing, nor do I bother to look for stylistic difference. So I'm not going to notice anything unless it's a huge faux pas. Due to the fact that nothing whatsoever leaps at me from the page I've decided, For Me, to forget that there is a different person doing the physical labor of continuing this series and simply revel in this story that I've grown to love so well.

Any of you who go looking for trouble. Well I'm sure you'll find something to whine about. And you have my sympathy, you poor pitiable creatures. Maybe if you're lucky someone will creep up and knock you on the head in your sleep.
Erwin van Deutekom
89. masterwin
I totally loved it!
Really hope this style will continue in the book it felt the right style!
Hugh Hill
90. ghenjei
A) BS thank you, you channel RJ well

B) When's the prologue come out? EDIT: checked dragonmount, 9-17

C) Where are Rhuarc and Avi right now

D) Sword- my first thought was Turak, and I'm sticking to it!
johntheirishmongol
91. SusanB
LOOOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Brandon, Harriet, Tor, etc.

Very excited for the rest. I might actually buy the prologue, for the first time ever.

Near the end of this chapter I started to think Rand might actually cry. I was sad to see he still held it in, though he came closer than ever before. I hope by the end of this book Cad is able to get him to cry & laugh. He needs it!

Really looking forward to the scenes w/Eg & hopefully a resolution to the tower standoff.
brandon king
92. CHARLIEBLUE47
My wife asked me what I was looking at last night and I told her that the first chapter of the book i've waiting for 4 years has been released. She asked if it was any good. My response:

(Long Sigh)........"It's good babe. It's really friggin good." (Sighs again)



nuff said

Great to be home.
Antoni Ivanov
93. tonka
Arad Doman would prove his intentions. If he could end the ?ght in Almoth Plain, he could show the Seanchan that he was serious in his suits for peace. He would make them see!



You remember the Epilogue of KOD where the Seanchan received news that they were trapped between 200 000 soldiers and Ituralde's people(about 100 000). It seems unlikely that Ituralde would be able to gather such a huge army , actually it would be impossible.This 200 000 are Rand's people and from the quote above I don't think that they intend to fight the Seanchan, on the contrary.

Something I should note about the timeline - the Epilogues and Prologues never follow the normal timeline. Often they relate to things that happen during previous book or well into the next/current one. The normal chapters follow the law that each chapter happens in the same time or later than the previous but not prologues or epilogues.

After saying that, I think the actions from the KOD Prologue happen a few days after the chapter we just read. ( I mean here Rand mentions Almoth Plain but the actions in KOD Epilogue were already in Arad Doman)

if you don't remember Ituralde began a campaign in Tarabon mainly and Almoth Plain with the idea to lure the Seanchan in Arad Doman and trap them.
In the KOD Epilogue the Seanchan already crossed into Arad Doman and were supposedly trapped by 300 000 Domani strength or so Calgan, Suroth and company thought)
Andrew Lovsness
94. drewlovs
We don't know if the female AoL Aei Sedai doomed the companions -or- saved saidar from being corrupted as saidin was. Never make assumptions in Jordan's world!!

I really don't mind the differences in writing styles, and in fact I didn't see them until others who were looking for them pointed them out. I was so afraid we lost the end of this story when Jordan passed; that Harriet has given us a chance to see the end, though through another looking glass, is something I will never complain about.

I think we all can agree that BS has a different writing style than Jordan; but why look for it? Worst, why point it out? I liken this to breaking up with someone, but then continuously pointing out to your friends how your new boy/girlfriend is different from the last one you had.
Andrea Millhouse
95. Darth_Andrea
I'm pretty sure the Sword rand remembered is the one that that Seanchan noble had that he killed in TGH
Corey
96. CupofDice
Thank you Tor for releasing this. My thoughts on this chapter are here at my blog if anyone is interested. :P

Also I think that BS did a very good job and his style here was very similar to RJ's. Now of course I wasn't looking for it, but he had the characters, descriptions, and dialogue pretty much down.
Antoni Ivanov
97. tonka
@95. Darth_Andrea

Why? I must say it doesn't make sense to me. But you could explain it to me , please ?

I mean "scabbard was painted with a long, sinuous dragon of red and gold."Turak had such sword ?
chant
98. chant
The sword sounds like the sword Brandon recieved from the RJ collection

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/754/My-Sword
Erwin van Deutekom
100. masterwin
I really think that Rand's new sword is from one of the old ''False Dragons'' like Raolin Darksbane,Yurian Stonebow or Guaire Amalasan!!!
johntheirishmongol
101. Salak
First I need to say that it's been a pleasure reading this. Well done, BS!

As I read all other books in the German translation, I could not make out a difference in the style. It was strange, however, that the Wind that already had a kind of shadow-touch in the other books needed another touch from the north. Nonetheless, Wind blowing in two directions at the same time was a nice new influence of the DO.

The wine might already have turned halfway into vinegar by the DO's influence and only the spice makes it drinkable.

I did wonder where the Asha'man named Naeff came from but this will be explained elsewhere, I guess.

The sword on the other hand is a nice little detail. Who gave it to Rand? The idea that it could be Hawkwings "Justice" seems the best for me so far. He has seen it himself and it might have some impression on the Seanchan. Maybe there even is a more detailed description of "Justice" in the books somewhere? Keep an eye open for that when you come to Falme or Mat's memories once more, will you?
JT Richardson
103. eurandlander
I haven't read KoD or the others since 2005, but I have to say this was great. And by "great", I mean "makes me want to punch Rand in the dragon eggs". Cadsuane needs to teach her lesson ASAP!

As for if it sounds like RJ, it's been too long for me to make that judgment. I did think it was at least eight flavors of awesome, if not the full nine!
Adam Zimmerman
104. EvenAiel1
It was a great little tidbit to wet the appetite, but now I'm full on withdrawl. It's been four years and I'm getting cold sweats and shivers from the detox. I want it all right now!!

Anyway, I liked it, but did also notice that the voice is slightly different. A few words here and there jumped out at me as if they were not supposed to be there, words RJ might not have used in the same place.

I liked the foreshadowing and the overall emotion behind the the words. We have to remember though that it is a different author who has his own style and read it as if no change in author took place. The story and its finale are what we all are truly here for in the end. RJ made us care for the characters and almost know them and now BS will take us the rest of the way. I have faith that the destination will match the journey in its scope and complexities, which is ultimately made us fall in love with this world that RJ created in the first place.

Not a long wait ahead of us since we've been waiting nearly four years already.
David Gibson
105. DrG
Well, all in all, I have to say Bravo to BS in melding his style with RJ. Sure its not "quite" RJ, but its also no quite BS. Different, but enjoyable nonetheless. I'm tending to lean towards the sword being Hawkwing's, which explains why LTT doesn't recognize it, and how that could further to Seanchan plotline. All thats missing from this thread so far are some witty comments from the likes of Wetlandernw, RobMRobM, and toryx and I'll be happy!

Oh, and on a sidenote, I wonder how many other people actually had a physical reaction to Rand yelling at LTT? I for one may or may not have muttered some choice words aloud whilst rubbing away the gooseflesh... don't judge me.
Lauren Roundy
106. jemron
Long time lurker, first time poster.

So, I agree with mostly everybody about the voice difference. It seemed slightly different, but totally awesome and I don't care!

I also really like the idea that the sword is Justice. Very good theory, and I now subscribe to it. At least for a few more weeks until I have more info from the prologue and/or the rest of the book.

You know what would be funny is if we learn that all of this chapter was actually written by RJ and not by BS. That would be a great way to point out that some people are looking too hard for something that isn't even there. There is such a thing as looking too deeply into a work of fiction, no matter how great it is.

Finally, to be a hypocrite, I looked deeply and noticed something that I'm surprised that nobody, NOBODY, has commented on. The thought that Rand has to Lews Therin,

"Talk to me! The time is coming. I need to know what you know! How did you seal the Dark One’s prison? What went wrong, and why did it leave the prison ?awed? Speak to me!"

When I read that I was like, WHAT?!

Now, maybe I'm just dumb and I'm missing something that is "intuitively obvious," but did we know before this line that the DOs prison became "flawed" after Lews Therin's and the Hundred Companions' attack? This is very interesting to me, and stood out to me as being very important.

Please help me out here if I'm missing something. If I'm right, and this hasn't been brought up before, what's it about? Theories welcome!
Jarrett Azure
107. x187xBigEazyE
Ok, remember when Rand Severed Asmodean from the dark ones protection? I dont see why he doesn't do that with her (Semi)right off the bat. That way if she dies theres no way for the dark one to bring her back to life, otherwise we woulda saw Asmodean in a new body right after (I Believe) Slayer took him out.
Curtis
108. Mixam
@indira: I tried listening to the audio but the first paragraph seemed weird to me when read aloud. "Alabaster tower" wtf its the "White tower" its not alabaster... I had to stop there, the differences seemed to jump out to me more out loud.

@Turok's sword theory: What the heck would Turok's sword be doing in the ground in Arad Domon? I mean it probably would have been buried with his body or maybe in the possession of some Seanchan. If it was buried with his body who the heck would have been digging up a grave, one that shouldn't be in Arad Domon anyways. Not to mention if Rand felt like the sword was made for him, don't you think he would have mentioned it during the fight scene in Falme or taken it after he killed Turok?

@jemron

I would think it very unlikely that RJ wrote the entire chapter. It just sounded too different to me. I won't go into it more as apparently some people get hostile if you point out anything about it being different because maybe they didn't notice or don't care.

The prison is flawed because there is a hole still at Shayol Ghul. I remember something Herid Fel said about how in one age the Dark ones prison is whole and it is so long enough for everyone to forget he exists enough that they stupidly bore into his prison thus starting the next age {thanks for that btw lanfear :( } So basically the prison is flawed because the Dark one still has influence in the world. If it wasn't flawed the DO would be gone basically with not chance of escape until someone bored into his prison again in another age.

@x187xBigEazyE: As far as I can recall none of the good guys know that the dark one is resurrecting the forsaken that die when not killed by Baelfire or apparently Mordeth. That would be why the Aes Sedai that killed Osan'gar thought he was just an Ashaman and why nobody knows how the heck Halima can channel sadin. If Rand and others knew the forsaken were being resurrected, they probably would use balefire against them, or like Rand sever them from the dark one, but they do not know that. Its one of those beat your head against the wall things, come on people figure this out already or the DO will just keep bringing them back.

Edit: Oh and about the who killed Asmodean thing... One theory I've heard that is interesting is that Moraine did it. I mean she's in the ter angreal that gives you 3 wishes. Perhaps one of hers was to be able to kill Asmodean. Maybe another was to make Lanfear have less use of Saidar then she used to have, or perhaps that was part of the price Lanfear had to pay for whatever bargain if any she made in the ter angreal. Or possibly even Lanfear had a hidden angreal on at all times while she was alive thus making it seem like she had more power then she really did and she lost it when she died.

Anyways the reason why I'm thinking the Moraine theory might have credence is that she will be coming back in this book I believe, at which point she could reveal if she did or not.
David Cole
109. oton1749
Surprised at the people complaining that this doesn't sound like Robert Jordan. Do you also complain that water is wet? It doesn't sound like RJ because it is written by Brandon Sanderson. What Sanderson was aiming for, and this sample chapter proves, is that it sounds like Wheel of Time. Bravo. Really looking forward to late October.
Curtis
110. Mixam
@oton1749: It's called a discussion, we are discussing what thoughts we have on what we have to read so far. Its not like anyone has said this writing sucks, we're giving our opinions and thoughts on it.
Mitchell Bender
112. mcbender
Very interesting. The beginning seemed a little clunky to me (Sanderson used a couple of adjectives in places that I couldn't have imagined Jordan ever using, things like that), but once it got going it didn't seem quite so bad, and I'm feeling optimistic about the rest of the book.

It's not Jordan, certainly, but I think Sanderson's gotten as close as he reasonably could have (barring a few edits to the first couple of paragraphs here).

I'm eagerly awaiting the rest now.
Derek Neach
113. galdoria
great chapter! I want more!
It defenitly didn't sound like rjs writing, but still great. How do you think Rand is going to change his fighting style because of his lost hand?
Deborah Kay-Morgan
114. moondivatx
@ 107 x187xBigEazyE: Rand cannot sever Semirhage from the DO because she is female. The DO only had a connection with the male Forsaken to protect them from the taint.
AL THOR
115. AL THOR
i am telling everyone. graendal killed asmodean. i will walk naked through the streets if it turns out not to be true.

and the general consensus is rand is going nuts.


to be honest i don't give a damn if raand dies or not. rand is the worst character to warm up to. he's supposed to save the world apparently and yet i cant muster not an ounce of sympathy for him. totsl unfeeling lunatic heartless stone


rand al thor will probably be the first character in a series where i could'nt care less whether he dies or not
Hugh Hill
116. ghenjei
114- are so sure about that? were the dark ties around asmodean related to Saidin or something else? I could go either way:

1) DO ties that protect from taint in Saidin, etc.

2) DO ties taht represent the True Power, which should be visible to both male and female.


As a long time lurker, second time poster, I'm going to take up the Turok sword theory.

1) Entirely possible that some random could've picked up Turok's (or even Ingtar's, though I lean Turok) in the clusterf!ck and chaos after Falme with the heroes and the seanchan fleeing and taken it north.

2) Would Hawkwing really have a sword with a dragon on it? Too lazy to go back and check GH, but I think there might've been a description of the Hawkwing's sword justice that doesn't comport with the one given here.

NOW GIVE ME MORE! please
johntheirishmongol
117. e-mann
Long time lurker, first time poster!

OMG, why did I read this chapter, now I'm going to have read this over and over again util the book comes out. Great Job to BS, totally fell into the story after such a long hiatus.

@84 & 106

I totally agree with this moment. I think that it is such a watershed moment for Rand that he loses his composure. LTT gave him such a great hint at the mistake that he made that Rand now has to work out what he did wrong, which is he needs to have female AS with him to reseal the bore. I also believe that Rand and LTT are two different personalities that share the same body. LTT is always asking for that final death. I think that maybe his soul is connected to the boring of the hole and that he cannot truly die until he is released from it, thus dying. "To live you must die"

Anyway, just my personal thoughts: feel free to comment on them.
kathy
118. klynne1@cox.net
Perfect timing. I just finished my re-read last night. Put down KoD, went to bed, went to work, read FB when I got home, and there it was. I couldnt have asked for better.
Thank you Brandon and Harriet for telling the story. I know I do not speak for just myself when I say how much we all appreciate everything you are doing, especially when I know Harriet is not yet finished mourning her dear husband, James.
With my whole heart, I thank you both.
Deborah Kay-Morgan
119. moondivatx
@117 Have you been reading Harry Potter?? ;-)

I agree, but JKR did use that "To live you must die" plot in the last HP book.

@116 The "dark pulsing cord" has never been mentioned with a female. And it was said after Rand severed Asmo that his protection was gone.

About using the True Power...it's dangerous and that's why most Forsaken don't use it. I can't remember if the DO offers protection or just permission to use it or really does care.

This sword thing...you guys are going to keep me up until I can find the answer.
David
120. pio!pio!
"The loss of his hand, though it wasn’t his primary sword hand, would leave him vulnerable if he were to face a skilled opponent. Even with saidin to provide a far more potent weapon, his ?rst instinct was for the sword. He’d have to change that. It might get him killed someday."

dun dun dun..foreshadowing...
marc
121. opy
It feels like I have been gone for four years and have just returned home. Some things have changed since then, but it still feels like home.
Fahad
122. Sultanfa
This is really good and definitely has me excited for the rest of the book.

One thing we can say is that BS knew the criticisms that we all laid at RJ during the last few books which was: they were not entertaining, he was getting lost in his own love of details, he was trapped in his own world and forgot what made books like 4, 5, and 6 so encapsulating etc. etc. So I believe that BS will deliberately make these last 3 books incredibly exciting, action packed, and give strong emphasis to the unfinished plot threads that have us all hanging on for dear life...

However, you guys arguing over whether or not it matters that it doesn't sound like RJ, I would just say one thing.

While it's true that BS could never truly make the book sound like RJ wrote it, what is imperative and cannot be compromised is that RAND NEEDS TO SOUND LIKE RAND, MIN NEEDS TO SOUNDS LIKE MIN...etc. etc. you get my point. If they don't sound like themselves, which honestly, I need to read it again a few times and wait for the whole book before we can make that judgment, then we may have a problem. My initial thought is that Rand has said some things, used some words that he never would before. He just would say it that way.

But overall, great job and looking forward to rest of the book.
Fahad
123. Sultanfa
What I mean to write lastly there was: He just WOULD NOT say it that way.
A. Gilroy
124. arisha
Well I think we're all excited.

I think the pro of completion of the story farrrrrr outweighs the con of having a new author narrate. yes it's different, and like another reader I knew from the second sentence, (maybe cuz of the re-read i'm doing? as i'm sure most of us are.. haha) but just to have more content is thrilling!
the tower bit was such a tease! Egs must triumph! but how!???

i dont want to have to wait [b][i][u]ANOTHER[/i] year for the NEXT book!!! gaaah!
*sniff!*
Jesse Armstrong
126. jeabombers
I had always presumed that the "dark cord" was a direct link to the DO, so those who were cut from it would not be able to be resurrected. However, Os'angar/Ar'angar are Balthamel/Aginor (or visa versa). Rand severed Balthamel from the DO, thus causing Balthamel to burn himself out (literally.) The DO's comments to Demandred at the beginning of LoC indicate that he CHOSE not to bring Asmodean back because he was a traitor, not for any other reason.

Re: women not having the "dark cord" shown with them-- Rand has NOT fought one yet, as he would be mentally challenged to kill them. As far as we know, Rand is the only person who can see the "dark cord".

Re: the comments about shivers to Rand shouting out to LTT--it's not the first time he's done it publicly. I think the most telling thing is that he doesn't realize that he is constantly speaking to LTT out loud. He began in LoC just before the Tower Aes Sedai came to him for the first time, and he was in the presence of Egwene (and again a very short time later in the presence of both Egwene and a couple of the aiel.) Not to mention the numerous times when he has said things where other characters thought that it didn't sound like something Rand would say (times where he is speaking, and LTT's memories cause him to babble about something that happened 3000 years ago.)
Lauren Roundy
127. jemron
@ Mixam

Maybe I just can't let this die, but I think this is something new. Yes, Fel talked about this happening in ages past and in ages to come, but it seems to me that Rand is implying that it was the very sealing (or attempted, not entirely successful sealing?) of the bore that caused a "flaw" in the prison.

Not an inherent flaw that has always been there, but a flaw CAUSED by the attempted sealing by the hundred companions. I really think there is more to this than anybody has discussed so far.

As for the sword being Turak's, I just don't buy it. It has no significance. At least, it's nothing compared to Justice. Imagine how the Seanchan will react when they see the Dragon Reborn holding the sword of the very ancestor they claim to be descended from. They will go gaga over it. Signs and "omens" are very important to the Seanchan, and what better omen than that?

There is proof that Rand saw Justice at the end of TGH.

Rand's POV, pg. 661 US paperback. "Justice shone like a mirror in Artur Hawkwings gauntleted fist."
Curtis
128. Mixam
@jemron: I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to get at. The fact that the DO's prison is flawed is the reason he can touch the world. If the DO's prison didn't have a flaw he wouldn't be kicking Rands ass.

Fel said you need to clear away the rubble before you can rebuild which I take to mean you have to break all the seals before you can fix the hole in the dark ones prison. Yes the patch is obviously flawed and needs to be removed before Rand and company can fix the hole.

I'm still not sure what you are trying to get at here is how it goes I believe: Prison is perfect, DO is forgotten. Eventually someone drills a hole in his prison thus making it imperfect (flawed) Then the Dragon tries to seal the bore but without the female Aes Sedai He can't make a circle powerful enough to seal the prison properly. Thus he patches it up and the prison remains flawed, not as flawed as when there was a totally open bore, but still flawed. Now what Rand has to do is break all the seals to remove the "rubble" then he can seal it up properly probably with a huge circle of men and women and the male choden khal (sp?) and whatever else he can add to the mix.

If what you are trying to say is that you just learned that the seal LTT put on the dark one's prison is flawed from that paragraph then you have missed an awful lot in the books and should read them again.

No offense intended, I maybe just don't understand what you are trying to say...
Tyler Durden
129. Balance
Well I for one enjoyed this appetizer. Yes, the dialogue is a little off for Min and Rand. However, Cads and Nyn sounded pretty good to me. (Cads even went “Phaw!) I’m getting the feeling that the characters are going to finally start thinking about things we, as fans, have been thinking about for awhile. I mean BS was a fan.

Black cords: I seem to remember that only the Male FS need the black cords. They are what protected them from the taint on Saidin. Asmo spoke of it. Rand has fought Lanfear before. Remember the docks? So the women don’t get ‘em don’t need ‘em. I’ll grant that my point can be argued. However, they are Not what allows for resurrection. Rand cut those cords on Ishy before finishing him off, and we still have to put up with his crazy ass.

Also I believe some were making reference to Rand’s sight. It got impaired when the fireball blew off his hand. Nyn couldn’t heal his sight without “more time to study it”.

P.S. I cant wait for Rand and Semi to be alone fer a bit. I get the feeling, with LT's memories, Rand's conversations with the FS are going to be a lot more personal now.
Antoni Ivanov
130. tonka
One can see the Black cords only in Tel'aran'rhiod and of course this one must be able to channel.
j p
131. sps49
I would've been satisfied with a mimeographed one-page summary of the rest of the series. Everything we are getting is bonus, and makes me happy.

Before the cords are discussed more, I urge all who haven't yet to read the relevant WOTFAQ entry. Please.
Lauren Roundy
132. jemron
@ Mixam

Thanks. Your second comment helped clear it up for me. I think I was just looking for something that wasn't there.

For some reason I interpreted it as saying that the "attempted sealing of the bore" actually put some sort of extra flaw into the DOs prison. But now I understand it to simply mean that, until the DOs prison is sealed up perfectly/properly, it is flawed because he can influence the world or eventually break out on his own. When the prison is properly closed up or "whole" (as it was at the moment of creation when the Creator put the DO there) the DO has no ability to break out on his own. He needs the help of an outside influence (eg. Lanfear and co.)

So, as you said, in order to try again (with both males and females working together this time, instead of just one or the other) the "rubble" or old seals need to be out of the picture, giving them a fresh start to try again.

I was confused because Rand said, it "left it flawed" but he probably should have said "it remained flawed."

Thanks again for the clarification.
eric s
133. silverprl1
Michael Kramer is reading in the tone of voice he used for the Mistborn books, as if he has forgotten the WoT... Or has his voice just changed with age? Just having listened to the Mistborn series, it really strikes home. When I listened to Mistborn, I heard hints of WoT. Now, I hear Mistborn, and the WoT is nowhere to be found. Even the tempo and cadence is Mistborn. Maybe it is Kramer's recent relationship with Brandon S.?

In past books, I found it odd that Kramer and Reading pronounced words and names differently in sequential books. Now I will have to concentrate when I listen to remember that we are in WoT, and there is Rand not Elland, Avienda and not Vin. The dark slime of saedin and not the scattering of ass mounds...
vo mabulay
135. alreadymad
bdev_03 @16
"Anyone have theories about what that sword that Rand apparently remembers is?"

My first thought was that it was Kinslayer's sword while he was still kicking around
But, since Rand remembers it from his own memories, no ideas. Maybe he is just confused.


The sinuous dragon painted on the scabbard indicates only one possible previous owner, The Dragon himself. Rand is definitely confused here because he remembers it with his own memories, but the only memory he has from centuries before his birth would have to have come from LTT. It means that while Rand is distancing himself from LTT's memories, he can't help claiming memories of swordfighting as his own. Despite the fact that the original source was LTT.

I highly doubt Justice would be housed in a scabbard decorated with a dragon. Same with Turak's sword. Turak's sword would have been separated from its scabbard in the chaos of the Forerunners' retreat from Falme.

Of course it could be the language used is just simply confusing us. Rand took to wearing the weapon immediately, but the only description we are given is for the scabbard. For all we know he is still using Laman's sword, just swapped out the scabbard for the one with the dragon. Though it could also be that sword and scabbard came together.
Antoni Ivanov
136. tonka
@133.silverprl1

It's not Kramer who's changed. I don't need to have listen him to know that. It's pretty common psychological effect. You get used to hearing WoT Books and certain voices reminded you of certain characters and when you began listening Mistborn you were reminded of them, that's why you were getting the WOT feeling then but after a time you got accustomed to Mistborn/Kramer and now it seems strange when you listen to WoT again.
Jamie Phillips
137. xiaofox
Re:
I love the idea of the sword being Justice. As previously said, the effect it would have on the seanchan would be incredible. Not understanding why others have a hard time believing. The "paendrag" in his name might have some influence in his choice of dragons perhaps? And the comment about it being from Rand's own memories would be validated since he saw justice at Falme. I really cannot believe that it's Rand confusing his and LTT memories. The text seems too definite for that.

Just my opinion though :-)
Jamie Phillips
138. xiaofox
Also..just adding to my previous comment..

The text says he recognises it as being "centuries old". Surely if it were LTT's sword then the text would read "millenia old" or "thousands of years old" or some such.
Deborah Kay-Morgan
139. moondivatx
@131 sps49: Thanks for mentioning the link. I've been reading WOT from the beginning and have re-read and listened to all volumes more times than I care to remember.

The FAQ are a great resource that I'd forgotten. Happy to learn that the rest of my memory is still in tack.

All: Glad we're having this conversation...27 October will arrive all the sooner.
matt
140. mattyh
i'm optimistic about the rest of the books. there were some clumsy descriptions in this first chapter but not enough to be jarring.

i just hope the writing stays true to the characters. cadsuane felt a little off to me. and some of rand's internal thoughts don't sound like KoD's rand.

having said that, i am grateful for the opportunity to finish this journey, even if the driver has changed.
Antoni Ivanov
141. tonka
@140
i just hope the writing stays true to the characters. cadsuane felt a little off to me. and some of rand's internal thoughts don't sound like KoD's rand.


Cadsuane sounded like Cadsuane for me. It was Cadsuane. What do you mean that she doesn't sounded like Cadsuane ? Would you explain?

As for Rand he is supposed to sound different, he is harder , he lost his hand, partially his vision in the last book. And we see the results of this here.
William Fettes
142. Wolfmage
tonka@141

Personally, I would say it just felt a little off.

“For all the girl’s dramatic talk,” Cadsuane said, nodding to Nynaeve, “she has a reasonable grasp on the situation. Phaw! When I said ‘well enough’ you were to interpret it as ‘as well as you might expect, given our unfortunate constraints.’ One cannot blindfold an artist, then be surprised when he has nothing to paint.”

This passage was the main offender for me. I feel the usage of 'dramatic talk' here is not great, and the whole thing about how she qualifies how to 'interpret' her words just sounds very idiomatically modern to my ears. Plus, I'm not exactly in love with painting as an analogy for torture, given her character and WOT, either. The insertion of her catch cry 'Phaw! doesn't change that for me.

As for Rand, I think that was a more subtle difference rather than what I take to be slightly clumsy writing of Cadsuane's dialogue. I would say both his thoughts and LTT's are expressed in a more obvious and sequential way than before. Having read it again and listened to the audio now, I do actually think it works and has the benefit of exposing the reader to the character in a good way. I feel it actually injects a bit of intimacy into the characterisation, bringing the reader closer to Rand and his objectives than was available in some of the later books. That can only be a good thing as Rand rides closer to the precipice. It's just a bit different from RJ's style and will take some getting used to.
johntheirishmongol
143. Badbird71
Personally I find no difference.We should all be greatful this is geting finnished and not nit-pick a certain writing style.Brandon has done an amazing job here and everyone should move on with the story.There,I put my 2 cents in.
Could the sword be the one Rands fatman angreal held?I like the Justice thought though.
Antoni Ivanov
144. tonka
Maybe "dramatic talk" is not the best phrase for Ny's talk,but I hardly could think of better. And interpret is word that has been used by Jordan in the books on whole different occasions. As for the analogy it fits very well her personality and it doens't bother me. But it's me and my opinion , I guess there always would be people who will be bothered by something or anything now that they know that RJ has not written the last books entirely.
Antoni Ivanov
145. tonka
@143. Badbird71

You realize that the "Little Fat Man Angreal" is little ,it could fit in your hand, it's a small sculpture and the sword that it's holding is part of the sculpture and not real sword.
William Fettes
146. Wolfmage
tonka @ 144

"And interpret is word that has been used by Jordan in the books on whole different occasions."

It's not the word interpret I was tripping up on, it was more how she qualifies her prior sentiment with a hypothetical extended version in air quotes. I just find it to be a very modern way of speaking. It's no big deal, but I do hope Cadsuane's dialogue is more closely attuned to her older, Far Madding sensibilities in future chapters.

"As for the analogy it fits very well her personality and it doens't bother me."

Hmm. Maybe with Cadsuane's affinity for sewing, that might have worked better. I don't know.

"I guess there always would be people who will be bothered by something or anything now that they know that RJ has not written the last books entirely."

I personally wouldn't put myself in a really nitpicky category, though I imagine any criticism here will annoy some fans as being automatically in that category.

I loved Mistborn, and have faith that BS will be able to do the series justice, and in some aspects even improve on certain idiosyncrasies of RJ's writing. I'm not offering these thoughts to prejudge the work, just sharing them as raw observations from someone who has read the series so many times I've lost count. I do love them dearly, so naturally there will be an adjustment process.
John Massey
147. subwoofer
Wha?!!!!

Alreadymad?! Is that you? Logged in?!! Tarman Gai'don must be coming.

Yes, Lews Therin said. We need to stay away from all of them. They refused to help us, you know. Refused! Said my plan was too reckless. That left me with only the Hundred Companions, no women to form a circle. Traitors! This is their fault. But . . . but I’m the one who killed Ilyena. Why?


Frinkin' bombshell dropped there. Then later about not trusting LTT because they were alreadymad...

As for the style... tangibly not RJ, but if it gets me to TG, WTF? There are some differences- still can't remember the transition where Rand is outside the Tower now. I thought Alivia and Ny were equal in the power. Cadsuane-phaw! But still different. A different voice over the same lines. Forkroot said it nicely. meh.

I'd give some shout outs to new posters, but there seems to be tons of names I don't recognize soooo-color me Rumpelstiltskin- hello all! :)

The wind blew... and Bela said," excuse me, but what did you expect from an all fiber diet?"

Woof.
John Massey
148. subwoofer
Ahem... instead of an edit- I also wanted to say- Thank you! mgmt services for posting this.

Woof.
Michael Catapano
149. hoping
I agree that the voice sounds a bit different but I am enjoying it nonetheless. I was a little disappointed that not much happens. The story wasn't moved on much at all. Oh well, I'm just a little twitchy.
Re the sword
In prior posts, I think it was concluded that LTT was hanging in TAR with the heroes prior to being reborn so he would have seen Justice, if that is true.
Antoni Ivanov
150. tonka
@149 Yeah but LTT in Rand's head is not LTT,the Dragon who's been hanging in TAR (it's not like Brigitte) .He is LTT from 3000 years ago (whether real or not), from only this past life.


Ok it gets confusing since Rand and LTT are the same soul and if it comes to hanging out in TAR they cannot be two separate since they are the same. But the Dragon is spun out and Rand is the Dragon's personality in this age while LTT is the one from the previous age/ or the previous reincarnation.
Bill
151. Cwolf21
I did a search yesterday to get an update when the next book would be released, and was wonderfully surprised to find the first chapter posted. I can't wait for the rest!

When I got to the end of the chapter, I found this forum and kept on reading. This is my first time reading a WoT forum, but I have enjoyed it; very thought provoking.

Many of you seem to have read (studied?) much more than I have. I discovered the series when book 9 (WH) was released and on the book shelves. It was great being able to read straight through the first 9 books without long delays in between. The long waits since then have been hard to endure. That gave me plenty of time for re-reading them all 3 or 4 times though.

I have not read Mistborn, so I do not have a problem with seeing Brandon's previous style in this book. I would agree that some of the wording seems different, but I am thrilled that we are going to have the story finished. I was really bummed when I thought we would be left hanging forever.

I admit I was frustrated by the amount of detail with the resulting lack of progress in book 10 / COT. A more direct style that gets us to the end of the story may not be all that bad. Originally they only planned to give us one book to finish things up, but BS said he needed at least 3. If BS wrote exactly like RJ, he would need even more.

Asmo did say his cord being cut would cost him his immortality, but maybe he was mistaken or lying. The forsaken are not all knowing and often lie. I don't think we have been given enough info to know who killed him yet.

I know this did not come up in this chapter, but who is Moridin? Is he the latest incarnation of Ishmael? How about Shadar Haran?

Thanks
AL THOR
152. AL THOR
c'mon people. the cords are there for one reason. to stop the forsaken male channellers from going mad using tainted saidin. the dark one's protection. although that is irrelevant now seeing saidin clean right now


oh i think i know the ending of the book. it seems that the seals must be broken to make way for a new repatched prison.

rand will take his chodean kal and a circle of women and reseal the bore. last time it failed because LTT used only men to reseal the bore. this time rand will use women and a circle to reseal the prison.


that's the end of the story. taadaaa
Michael Catapano
153. hoping
@150
Yeah but LTT in Rand's head is not LTT,the Dragon who's been hanging in TAR (it's not like Brigitte).He is LTT from 3000 years ago (whether real or not), from only this past life.

How do we know that?
Antoni Ivanov
154. tonka
From the books. From what LTT says nothing indicates even slightly that. And from RJ

Q: The question is, with Rand and Lews Therin, do they have 1 soul or 2 souls in the body?
RJ: They have 1 soul with 2 personalities. The reincarnation of souls does not mean reincarnation of personalities. The personality develops with each reincarnation of the soul. This is the cosmology that I together.


And really think about it, you'll see why.

@151 Cwolf21

Have a look here
There are many interesting things about WoT .


And Moridin is Ishamael and Shaidar Haran is kinda avatar of the Dark One, maybe not exactly but close to it.It doesn't have the powers of the DO but it's the DO kinda.
Antoni Ivanov
155. tonka
I just noticed that there is not icon for the chapter. I guess we have to wait till the release to see the icon.
Which icon do you think will be for this chapter. Now that we've read it and all. I think this one :


You can see all icons used in the books here
vo mabulay
156. alreadymad
His memories have so far been limited to those of the most recent incarnation of of the Dragon.

re: Chapter icon
It's either that or the Flame of Tar Valon for the Aes Sedai.
Michael Catapano
157. hoping
Tonka
OK, I have a little trouble getting my head around the one soul, two personality thing. It does seem cobbled together (RJ's words.)

So, the LTT/dragon/rand soul with the LTT personality existed in the AoL. Presumably, he then hung in TAR with the heroes. This entity would have LTT personality and memories (including TAR if any of that is retained.)

The LTT/dragon/rand soul is then spun out again and this time with the Rand personality and only his memories. This time, however, Rand apparantly has access to some LTT memories but he realizes that they are not his own. (e.g. knowledge of the forsaken and lands of the AoL.)

The LTT personality (which I believe is real)emerging in Rand's head most likely has not only the memories of AoL but TAR as well. Hence would recognize Justice. Could it be a truncated LTT with only AoL memories? I think most likely not, unless the TAR experience was not available to him. Then he would not recognize Justice.

I have to be the only one interested in this so I'll stop now.
Albert St. Aubin
158. staubina
WOW, that is all I can think while reading this series and this chapter. I am really excited, we all miss RJ, but Brandon did a really great job. I cannot wait for the prologue and the book, keep up the good work Brandon.

I have not read all the comments I hope people are as excited for these last three books as I am, I only hope Book 13 comes quickly.
Antoni Ivanov
159. tonka
@157. hoping

I think you are getting it wrong. If LTT has memory from TAR he would have memories from all his previous lives, many lives before, he would not be half mad for the loss of Ilyena, He will wait for the next reincarnation. I remember somewhere saying that the last memory of LTT is when he draws the source and kill himself and then wakes. I don't really care if he is real or not more so, I believe that for all intent and purposes he is real - he has real memories ,real feelings and that make it real enough for me even if he is result of some mind disorder or he was transferred magically through time. But read everything he says, he never says anything about previous lives. All indicates that he is LTT in the moment he committed suicide.He lements for Ilyena, he is at least half mad.Do you think that the Dragon from TAR will be mad at all. He would have the realisation of throusands of lives and the last one will be one of the many. What you say doesn't make sense at all to me. I cannot even imagine it , not from all I've read in the books.
johntheirishmongol
160. June Faramore
@FSS: ffs, Sanderson's writing reads like a book report? Are you serious? I knew the hardcore Jordan fans were going to try and tear Brandon apart, but that's just uncalled for.

As to the excerpt, I really liked it. To me, it reads close enough to the style of the first books that I was immediately engrossed in the story. As I just started my reread of the books in preperation of this one being released, I feel it would have jumped out at me if the writing was TOO different.I think Rand and Lews Therin's speech is a natural progression of their madness, especially since Rand just got his hand severed and was involved in a crossing of balefire. PTSD indeed.

As a disclaimer, I am a big Sanderson fan, love Elantris and Mistborn. However, from that prospective, I agree that this is not entirely his voice, though there is enough of him there to cause me much excitement at the prospect of reading this blended style. The passage about the difference in how the pine needles and banners blew opposite directions was very like Jordan's style, if not quite as wordy as RJ would have done it.

I stand behind my opinion that Sanderson was the best choice to finish out this series in the absence of Mr. Jordan. He is very good at shades of gray in setting and characters, which is what I feel is needed to properly finish this story. Of course it is not going to read exactly like Jordan, but at least they didn't pick Martin, so we should see an end to the series in our lifetimes :D.

I am super excited now, even more so because the tour is coming close enough for me to go to an event.
johntheirishmongol
161. Artur al Yorks
This extract in acordance with all RJ's previous work is well written. The developement of both plot and character are again suble but compellingly real in that I have the sense of witnessing these events as they unfold.
Whoever's finger prints are on the paper this bodes very well, and if the standard is maintained to the final chapter then we can undoubtedly say that the tale has been done justice to the dream that was.
Deborah Kay-Morgan
162. moondivatx
@160 June Faramore, I love your Martin comment.:D

Once while waiting for another volume from RJ a guy at our local bookstore recommended Martin's Fire and Ice series. Comparing the series would be a crime, but it filled a need.

Words cannot describe my feelings toward him. I'm not sure I'll buy book 4, some of the characters I'd love to know their outcome. However, giving THAT guy another penny on my money doesn't sit well with me.

Back to moving furniture and ripping the carpet/pad out of my great room.
eric s
163. silverprl1
I agree that Sanderson was a great choice.

I unfortunately read and then listened to Elantris to get to know him, and was terrified at the prospect of him taking on the WoT series. Then, I picked up Mistborn, and it was clear he had grown up as an author. The ending was a bit rushed, but at least he brought it to a conclusion! So, I am now confident in his writing abilities, and pleased that he recognizes the need to END a story and let go when it is time to let go. '

I also enjoy Brandon S's ability to give characters a full personality, and the ability to reflect on their thoughts and actions. That has been the biggest failing of the WoT. Instead of evolving as humans, most, if not all characters have been solidly molded into a deeper single-track personality as the story progressed. I would argue that at the end of book 11, the only character who has advanced out of a single-track in Matt. The rest of the characters have become a stereotype of a character remembered from the past and pushed harder and harder into their stereotype. I would even take this a bit further, and say that RJ actually has but a few personalities a character is allowed to become, especially in the female. A few characters are allowed to change personalities throughout the series, but they never evolve, they just change single-tracks.

Granted, I have read the books about 4 times, and listened to the books probably 20, so I am almost too invested... But, with 11 books, those in the WoT should have grown into themselves much more than they were allowed. Like I said above, I hope Brandon S. changes this, and helps characters become people, rather than a pre-determined one-track stereotype.

PS.... Of course I meant ASH mounds above ;-)
rich
164. richnewton82
I can't believe how HYPERcritical some people are being.

I've read the series through 4 times over the past 5 years. I thought this was VERY well done and cannot wait for the first of the final books to release.

There is obvious style difference. Nobody can mimic another author's style completely imho. It is very well written and the characters and narrative is spot on though.
Andrew Lovsness
165. drewlovs
When you have to point to "adjectives and adverbs Jordan would not have used", you have officially entered the world of nit-picking. Just sayin'...

Hehe =)

When I learned BS was going to finish this, I was happy about it, and I immediately lowered my expectations to "find out how it ends, but don't expect it to sound at ALL like Jordan". Surprisingly, I really had to look for differences to find them; then I felt foolish for doing so. Why look a gift horse in the mouth? If BS sounds enough like Jordan to forget its not, why try to remember?

At least, while you are reading. I do NOT mean to forget the father of WoT, only to forget his "style" so his dream can be realized.
rich
166. richnewton82
As for the sword..

man people can twist this story up into a pretzel to try to think of ridiculous theories.

It is obviously not the Seanchan nobles.. it says its been buried for a long time. The only other way Rand could have seen it is either through the Portal stone life-flashing in TGH (unlikely) or the visions at Rhiduin (sp). Which is very likely. It isn't Justice because that was clearly stated to be a greatsword and I very much doubt Artur Hawkwing had a dragon sword.. I mean come on..
johntheirishmongol
167. Chris Cauthon
I think this chapter is well written, and i can't wait until October, which will start the wait all over again for instalment 13!
Noneo Yourbusiness
168. Longtimefan
It is nice that the books are going to be finished. I appreciate all the work that Mr. Sanderson will put into finishing the series.

Some people, my self perhaps next to but not to far in among them, will notice the difference in the books and will voice to various levels the ability to see that difference.

Eleven books of considerable length contain not just a "style" of where to place the nouns and verbs and how many adjectives to use but a rather complete dictionary of what words are available for describing the environment, people and events.

After eleven books and a short story plus for some of us almost two decades of reads and re-reads words are repeated and descriptions become familiar because sometimes they are using a chosen set of words. Introducing new words will be tricky for a new writer. Had the original author chosen to add new words no one would have said it sounded off because the words would be incorporated in the style.

When lacking the style the new words become even more apparent for some people. This is neither here nor there as the words are written and the work is done. It will be noticed and people will comment. The intellect is at it's best when it pays attention to detail. How it reacts when it recognized the differences is where the quality of character shows.

I am just finishing out some favored story lines and trying to get to the long promised ending that was so constantly mentioned to be fully realized.

I am glad that the hard drives were not erased and the notes burned as was, perhaps sarcastically, mentioned in the early years when the books began to take longer to finish and some people had the audacity to ask what would happen should the story outlive the author.

I will pay my fare and I will finish the ride but these seats are not as comfortable as they were before so the occasional bounce in the road may bring more of a mention than it would have before.

As to Cadsuane's metaphor between painting and torture and someone else's mention that it may have been more accurate to have changed it to sewing I will pick a nit here and say it is not sewing but embroidery that she has been working on in the time the viewer has had to observe her.

Honestly just shove an A'dam on Semirhage and hand her over to Soriela. But great stories are not about efficient problem solving.
Pelumi Adefope
169. GenghisCan
As for the sword not being Justice, it is not a greatsword. It's a great sword. There's a difference. It is also called "the legendary sword" (TSR, Ch. 9). "Great" was being used to describe its magnificence not to denote the fact that it required two hands. Chapter 47 of TGH says "Justice shone like a mirror in Artur Hawkwing's gauntleted "[b][i]fist[/i]" (emphasis mine). If it were a greatsword, he could not lift it in one hand.

I believe they only found the sword. The scabbard was most likely made after they had found the actual sword. It says the dragon was painted on. Surely if it was from centuries ago, the paint would have worn off.

It would be quite fortuitous for him to show up to a meeting with the Seanchan with their "founding father's" weapon on his hip although I doubt they'd know that.
Curtis
170. Mixam
@tonka #159 I totally agree, those were basically the very points I was going to make in response to 157

@GenghisCan #159 I do agree that the scabbard may not have been on the sword and may have been done after the sword was unearthed. However the scabbard was lacquered, if they lacquered over the paint it would make a very durable finish that wouldn't wear out as easily, so imo it is possible that the scabbard is original. Although at this point it doesn't matter much as we don't know what Artur's sword scabbard looks like... As to the Seanchan recognizing it, I'm sure some of them would. They probably have paintings of Artur's sword and or writings describing it. Not to mention some of the Seanchan saw Artur when he appeared on Toman Head...
Rob Trotter
171. shadar
@169 - It would be even more fortuitous for him to show up at a meeting with the seanchan with the Prince of The Ravens by his side. (That would require communication between the good guys though, so it's not likely to happen)
Richard Fife
172. R.Fife
So ya, I haven't read it yet cause I'm busy at Dragon*Con, but I have my nifty broadsheets that Pablo gave me just waiting ;) *taunt taunt*

Also... A yellow shawl may have been seen somewhere at the party where they gave away the nifty braodsheets.
MC Z
173. Hapalochlaena
Did an announcement about Robert Jordan's entire WoT series being released in ebook format get posted on tor.com and did I miss it? 'cuz Paul Biba at Teleread (http://www.teleread.org/2009/09/06/wheel-of-time-series-coming-to-ebooks/) reports that he's received a press release from Macmillan saying this:

===
The Wheel of Time series is one of the most highly requested series on Kindle, and they are finally becoming available to fans as ebooks. Beginning on October 27th, Macmillan will release one ebook per month, beginning with The Eye of the World. The full text of the books has been retypeset to better accommodate the ebook format and all original illustrations and maps will be retained in these new releases. We’ve also commissioned new cover art for each book, and I can announce the first four artists now: David Grove, Kekai Kotaki, Donato Giancola, and Sam Weber.
===

Muahahahahaha?
rich
174. richnewton82
"He relaxed his hand on his sword, though he did not release it. He ?ngered the cloth-tied hilt. The weapon was long, slightly curved, and the lacquered scabbard was painted with a long, sinuous dragon of red and gold. It looked as if it had been designed speci?cally for Rand—and yet it was centuries old, unearthed only recently. How odd, that they should ?nd this now, he thought, and make a gift of it to me, completely unaware of what they were holding. . . .

He had taken to wearing the sword immediately. It felt right beneath his ?ngers. He had told no one, not even Min, that he had recognized the weapon. And not, oddly, from Lews Therin’s memories—but Rand’s own."

This entire thing just smacks of the sword being from the AOL. Rand remembers it because of his visions from Rhiduin. That's why its "odd" because while LTT LIVED during that time, Rand is the one who actually saw the sword. I think though that there is more to it because of the end of the first paragraph. The sword is important in some way or has some significance to the Dragon.
Pelumi Adefope
175. GenghisCan
@174...Or it could be because LTT is bound to the Wheel and as Artur Hawkwing said "had fought beside and against him" for as long as he could remember. That's more likely the reason for the "oddity." That's why it'd make sense for LTT to recognize it.

If Rand saw a special sword in his visions, 1). He would have taken note of it. 2). Since we saw exactly what he saw, we would've seen it also. 3). It would be thousands/millennia of years old instead of as Rand said "centuries."

Also, it is not a given that the scabbard was part of the sword when they found it. Therefore, the Dragon on it is relevant because of Rand not LTT.

However, there is no clear cut proof so we don't know. Some people think that this might be the "discrepancy that was talked about on Dragonmount: they said that a part of the firsts chapter would be explained in the prologue.
eric s
176. silverprl1
#174:

I think the only clue about the sword that is telling is "THEY." Since only a few weeks have passed since Rand was injured in book 11, whoever THEY is has to be a place he has hidden. If the book follows form, we will be presented with the 3 week lapse in time in the first chapters of the book. I think that the sword will fulfill a prophecy that we do not know, and that makes it either dark prophecy, or Seanchen. What does Tuan say at the end of book 11 regarding her reading on the ship while on the way from Shandar? (She talks about the wolf king with a hammer, matts ring, and rand kneeling to the Chrystal Thrown... anything I don't remember?) And... Tuan makes it clear several times that the true prophecies are those known in Seanchen, not the prophecies known in their lands. Maybe the Dragon must have the sword of Hawkwing?

PS.... We know almost nothing about what Rand saw when he went through the twisted red door. We know a little about what he asked, but never the answers... except a smidgen about bringing the north and south, east and west together....
Michelle Stuckey
177. MichelletheHarper
Okay, I've just registered on this site solely for the purpose of reading Chapter 1 of TGS, so, yes, I'm a newbie on this site. I was so excited, I was dancing on my couch, my poor husband wondering what was wrong with me. I prayed, after reading the Mistborn trilogy, and feeling betrayed by the ending, that BS would do an amazing job. I figured he would because he was/is not using his own material.

Tears from Steel sounded NOTHING like the Mistborn trilogy to me. I felt like this was RJ's voice, slightly out of focus. I liked it, and I feel the characters stayed true to their earlier ideas and actions. Perhaps Rand's thoughts and words are not what we've grown accustomed too, but I feel that it is important the story is being finished. It's not about the differences in grammar and syntax, this is about finishing a much beloved story!

Harriet must truly love RJ's fans to give us such closure!!! I am ecstatic the story will be completed. I waited for this since I was in the 8th grade, when I picked up WoT for the first time.
I got teary eyed just reading the last thoughts of RJ. I don't care who the writer is, this is Jordan's work. I believe we are going to find, once the book comes out, the World of the Wheel is the same world we've all come to know and love.

And, I'm too lazy to scroll up and see who had this idea, but I too thought Rand could possibly be suffering from the Saa thanks to his contact with Moridin in Shadar Logoth. I posted this on the Dragonmount forum as my first post, and I was ridiculed and yelled at for suggesting the very idea. I am glad I'm not the only one out there who thinks this is a small possibility.

I. Cannot. Wait. For. October. 27. One week after my birthday, I'm calling this a late birthday present! I can't believe I started reading this series at 13 and I'm 28 and it's not finished. But, at the same time, I don't want this world to die.
rich
178. richnewton82
@175..
Artur Hawking is bound to the wheel... not his sword. It doesn't make sense for it to be Justice based on how he included the "oddity" that Rand's memories contain it rather than LTT. LTT never met Hawking. And never would have seen the sword he wielded in the 3rd age.

While its true that The Dragon and Hawking meet many times through the turning of the wheel we know that Rand and LTT are not the same. There are "other" Hawkings too. The reason we see Hawking when the Horn is blown and he carries Justice is because that was the most recent iteration of that Thread.. LTT never met Hawking. Never saw Justice. Therefor, it doesn't make sense for Rand to think what he thinks in that moment.

We also definitely may not have seen everything that Rand saw in the Rhiduin doorway. We know it skipped over many lives in the narrative already.. so we probably missed a lot of important stuff.
Arad Doman
179. Toss the dice
Overall, I liked it. I agree that the style is just a little "off" or different, but not necessarily in a bad way. Rand being just a little "off" both works because he is supposed to be harder and also because I don't mind getting a more personal view of what Rand is thinking.

There were only a couple things that I didn't like so much. First, the wind blowing stuff (which we all recognize from all the books) I think went on too long. It's always been a fairly short deal (couple paragraphs) before. The second was that paragraph where Cadsuane mentioned the artist. That seemed a little "odd" to me. However, as a whole I liked the entire thing and am excited about the release.

Mat is by far my favorite character, and the one I am hoping is not "off." Rand isn't a favorite character of mine and he's crazy and has tons of issues anyway, so being off isn't such a big deal with him. Mat on the other hand is a different story. Here's to hoping he is the same or close enough.
Jasper Manuel
180. mrbrightside
w0w this was great. this shows Rand as what he had always tried to be steel. The guy doesn't even have wry humor in the other books he always did!
Andrew Blackburn
181. ajbcool
I registered just to read this too...although I have been reading the re-read too...can't wait to get Leigh's commentary on this chapter! Now that I'm registered though, expect me to be commenting once in a while on the re-read...maybe.

I think there's a difference too-as I saw it in the windy part too. But when we started getting to people doing things, it started to fade away until we get to Rand, where I either completely ignored it, or it truly morphed then...this is not saying that it's bad for being different, it's just mentioning something. And I notice this with only having read each book twice.

Interesting thing about me and the reading-I started when there were ten books out, and when I got to that tenth one KOD came out. So luckily, I didn't have to wait for any but these. I reread the series when I heard these were coming out. Now all I have to do is wait.
sandi vogel
182. sinfulcashew
Aha!
A clue to whether or not Rand and LTT are separate or not!
Rand has a memory of his own about the new sword. A memory that isn't from LTT.
Is that an answer reg: being real or a construct?
IMNSHO,(ha) I will go for the split rather than the meld.

By the way, anyone know who the reader is on the audio?
Peter
183. Peter87
Definitely different style, especially when describing the tower. I don't see how the hundred companion plot line just popped up, Rand would have been thinking on that earlier. Descriptions are definitely not RJ, but it should be a good book.
Andrew Lovsness
184. drewlovs
I wonder, made more interesting as I read the comments, if this whole chapter was written by Jordan, and was released to see what the reactions would be...

If so, BS is having a pretty good time. Hehe... =)
Lily
185. Lily of the Valley
Sword debate:

Rand doesn't say LTT doesn't recognize the weapon, just that -he himself- recognized it without LTT's memories.

Haven't read all the posts so I don't know if that has been pointed out. :) I'm not really forming an opinion on the matter m'self until I can read the entire book.
Lynn McDonald
186. meal6225
I dont know much about PTS but maybe Avi can help when she arrives.Rand could definitely use a little trip away and at least a cry if a therapist is unavailable. Something needs to give in him--makes me sick to see him like this.

I'm all in favor of stilling/shock healing Semi.

Harriet, Brandon, folks at TOR thank you so much for releasing this. Really, Thank You.
Mek U
187. Lykouros
I joined this site just to read this, and I'm extremely excited for the new book to come out! I started reading WoT about two years ago and didn't finish reading KoD until late last year. I'm just starting on a re-read now, so I hope I can catch up in time!

I can definitely sense the different writing style in this, but it isn't bad after I get drawn into the story more. And I wish Rand would just torture Semi already, he'd be so much better off! But alas, he's still too hard-headed and guilt-ridden for that.

Great chapter, and Jordon was such a genius for coming up with these books :) I'm sure Sanderson will do a fantastic job, though, and even if it doesn't sound exactly like Jordon it still sounds like the Wheel of Time.
samuli
188. kalma
Does anyone know how long this is gonna be here? Because I'd like to read KoD before this but it's gonna take me some time to finish the book because of school and such
johntheirishmongol
189. redbronze
I found it refreashing and wonderful and am happy to be reading.. "The rest of the story" I hear Brandon's voice and also RJ's voice here and the story is going forward.. What a wonderful day in Fantasy... You all can debate the point to point things and I have read and re-read the series many many times over the long years and still could not debate points it is the feel, movement, mysticism and perhaps deeper metaphors, as well as the feeling I am there that has attracted me to this work and has given me deep pleasure from WoT books..
I have read a couple of Brandon's books and he has this kind of feel too.. I am swept up by the story and can remember feelings and how it moved me without the point to point debate.. Isn't this what a good book does takes you on a journey and lets you feel what is happening.. I am honored that we have been allowed this first chapter.. Thank You Harriet and Brandon, I will be seeing you in Dallas book/s in hand and excitement in my heart to meet you both. I am just a dorky fan who cried when RJ died standing in a school yard filled with children tears streaming down my face.. I have been a fan since the first book came out in 1990.. almost 20 years ago.. and a fan of Brandon's for the past year. Thank you...
Curtis
190. Mixam
@kalma: I don't know how it is outside of Canada, but in Canada it is ok to copy one chapter from a book as long as the chapter is less then 20% of the whole book. There is also something about you are allowed to copy stuff that is in the public domain. I believe both would apply in this instance. You may want to check for yourself especially if you are not in Canada. But if it is legal in your region just select it all, hit copy and then paste it in a word processing document and you won't miss out on the chance to read it in case it is taken down.

Note: I'm not saying you should copy it, just that you may be able to depending on your location. But it would be up to you to check to see if it is legal for you. Good luck.
Manjit Karve
191. manjitkarve
Did no one else think that the sword was LTT's?

& @44/@sps49: You are evil... :) I like it...
Ioannis
192. Skartsolias
Only one comment.

I am a happy man!!

Thank you for the new book.
Birgit
193. birgit
Now, maybe I'm just dumb and I'm missing something that is "intuitively obvious," but did we know before this line that the DOs prison became "flawed" after Lews Therin's and the Hundred Companions' attack?

There must be something wrong with it because the seals are breaking.

Rand severed Balthamel from the DO, thus causing Balthamel to burn himself out (literally.)

Balthamel is composted by Someshta. Aginor is the one who burns himself out at the Eye (but is not severed from the DO, that's only Ishy and Asmodean).
samuli
194. kalma
Thanks Mixam, don't know why I didn't think that copy&paste method myself. Must be a slow day
Rob S
196. RobSS
IMHO... I think the sword belonged to "The Lord of the Morning, The Dragon!" It fells right beecause he has had it countless times before.
Pablo Defendini
197. pablodefendini
@Mixam 190:
This first chapter is most certainly not in the public domain (I do not think that term means what you think it means, by the way). This chapter is absolutely and unequivocally the property of and copyrighted by Robert Jordan's estate, The Bandersnatch Group.

Copying it for personal consumption at a more convenient time (a practice which I personally consider fair use, but I don't write IP legislation, alas) is technically illegal, and certainly frowned upon by the rightsholders. Please don't do it.

That said,

@kalma 188:
We have no plans to take this down, so feel free to take your time with KoD.
Ashish Akkaraju
198. CrowbarJunkie
I'm just glad the story's being told. Honestly it doesn't sound that different from RJ. A little yes, but not enough to bother me. Good Job Brandon Sanderson!
Tim FItches
199. El Fitcho
Great stuff, this chapter thoroughly consumed me and took me right back to the world Jordan conjured. Really enjoying reading everyone's comments on it too.

One thing which occurred to me is what Rand hopes to achieve by looking for Graendal, given that he clearly wouldn't let himself harm her. Is he simply hoping to find and capture her? I find that a bit odd as surely he can't hope to hold and restrain her from now until the end of Tarmon Gai'don. Sure somebody else could do it, but it'd need to be someone powerful; and whoever's supervising her won't be fighting at the Last Battle as they wouldn't want to leave her unguarded.

But perhaps I'm over-thinking that! That's what you get when you only have one chapter to look at! Can't wait for the whole book.
Noneo Yourbusiness
200. Longtimefan
I just realized what bothered me about the "painting" metaphor. There are no "Artists" in the Westlands. Craftspeople and Master Craftspeople and maybe Artisans but things are generally carved or woven or assembled. There are almost no referenced to paintings of portraits except in Eladia's study both as the Triptych and as the "new style" where there is a painting of Rand fighting over Toman Head on canvas.

The majority of works showing images of people are tapestries or stained glass windows. There are also coins, cards and signs. Sculpture is almost always old if not ancient and generally the word stonemason is used but sculptor is not. There is no "Art for Art's sake" in this time. There is decoration and great care and personal expression and storytelling but the term "Art" is not common in the land. Yes there are things that can be considered "Art" but the term and therefore the position - painter, sculptor, installation artist - have not become common usage so a conversation using those ideas seems out of place in the setting.

In all the palaces in all the lands there have been lots of different kinds of "Art" but no one has used the word "Artist" before.

Then again I may be completely wrong it could just be that in the metaphor Cadsuane refers to the Artist as "he" when she is using it a a parallel to herself in a world were women have most of the power and may have been more likely to say "she". Or it could have been in the results based metaphor changing from "restrict us and we produce no results, blind fold someone and there is nothing there." Not quite the same since the metaphor would be more effective if the statement ended "blind fold someone and they paint nothing." bringing the nothing this way, nothing that way allusion into alignment.

This is what I get for reading the comments. Generally it was an awkward sentence but it was only when someone pointed it out that it stuck with me.

Why share it with the post? "it isn't art, its tor-ture."
Abraham Park
201. Abe
Hey guys, I haven't read any of the most recent posts, and I'm sorry if this has already been posted, but I found a passage where Rand does speak to Lewis Therin out loud in front of someone.

The passage is from Book 6: Lord of Chaos, chapter 42: The Black Tower.

It's when he shouts, "You are dead! I am alive, and you are dead!" in front of Mazrim Taim.
Antoni Ivanov
202. tonka
@201

I'll have to correct you , I think you should look at your copy again because mine says that


No! Rand screamed inside his head. You’re dead, Lews Therin. I am alive, burn you, and you are dead! You are dead!


Later he is muttering to himself and Taim comments on his sanity but nothing like what happened in this chapter
Hugh Hill
203. ghenjei
Tonka, nice call

New sword theory: Rhuidean memories, two possibles (apologies if this is crazy but I am on the road now, do not have access to my copy of TSR, so running on 18 years of rereads since I picked this thing up one day in jr. high)

1) When the Aiel are leaving with the wagons, and Adnan(?) goes into the female Aes Sedai meeting with Someshta, he sees the Dragon Banner on the table. Was the sword also there?

2) When Aiel get violent as they rescue the girls from the brigands, could it be the sword they refuse to pick up because it is not a tool after killing the brigands?

I still like the Turok theory, but this is possible as well.
Andrew Lovsness
204. drewlovs
As for the sword, I don't think we have enough information to make the call. Something tells me it will be important, but we will also be told why. Though.. if BS wrote this chapter, he has also just launched a Jordanesque mystery himself...

And as such, kudos to him, it was done very well.
T C
205. Freelancer
Hurray for a peak!

Excellent work, Brandon.

There was no question during this chapter that some descriptive points of the prose came from other than Robert Jordan. But there is also no question that this story is going to be told in its entirety as Jordan intended. Thank you Brandon.


He knew the man who rode at their head, too.Tall and hook-nosed, with dark, deep-set eyes, his great sword Justice at his side. Artur Hawkwing.

...
Justice shone like a mirror in Hawkwing's gauntleted fist. "I have fought by your side times beyondn number, Lews Therin, and faced you as many more. the Wheel spins us out for its purposes, not ours, to serve the Pattern. I know you, if you do not know yourself. We will drive these invaders out for you."


All that is said about Artur Tanreall's sword Justice. I had at first thought that the description of the sword was that of a greatsword, which would have denied that Rand's current blade was indeed Justice. However, with the words great and sword separated so, it isn't necessarily a description of the sword's style or size, but its legacy. So no strong evidence one way or another if that is what Rand now wields.


jemron@106

I think that is was intuitive that the prison was flawed, in that the seals began to weaken. So it took three millenia, it still shouldn't have happened unless there was a weakness. With all that Rand has studied and learned, I see no issue with him coming to that conclusion. What I ponder form this passage is in how any of Lews Therin's knowledge isn't immediately available to Rand. Of course, each side in the real vs. construct debate will take this tidbit as evidence in favor of their view. I certainly take it as further evidence of LTT being a separate personality imposed on Rand by something other than his own mind's difficulties.


x187xBigEazyE@107

I don't think the femsaken have the same thing going on as those black cords Rand can see in T'a'R running from the men. That was special to them, to keep them safe from the taint on Saidin.

And Slayer didn't kill Asmodean. And his lack of the black cords isn't what kept him from being restored.


amw@135

Whoa. Name in gray. If, that is, it's really you.


Cwolf21@151
Asmo did say his cord being cut would cost him his immortality, but maybe he was mistaken or lying.
Neither, he knew what he was saying, and he was right. It provided protection against the taint on saidin, which means that now he was subject to madness and death.


ghenjei@203

The sword which was with the Dragon banner seen by Rand in the Rhuidean rings was Callandor, which they were hoping to finish preparing. The reason it is flawed and has no buffer against the taint as other sa'angreal did was that they had no time, and could not complete it. So definitely not the sword Rand now carries. Speaking of which, just where is Callandor these days? In Narishma's hands still?
Antoni Ivanov
206. tonka
@freelancer

The access key for the male Choedan Kal and Callandor were in Cadsuane's saddle bags after Rand cleansed Saidin and that's the last we hear about both of them.

They are somewhere hidden probably and only Cadsuane, Rand and probably Nynaeve know where.But really I don't know, RJ decided not to share this with us.
Abraham Park
207. Abe
@202

You know... I was referring to the paragraph after what you wrote. My apologies for the confusion :)
Cynthia Ahmar
208. tenkuu
If people are silly enough to nitpick about what doesn't sound like Jordan, then why are you even bothering to read this? You know who it's been written by, so if you're not satisfied, move along.

As for the artist bit, I can't even believe people are making a big deal about this. And the idea that artists didn't exist in Jordan's world is pretty ridiculous. Paintings and other art forms are done by artists, this is pure and simple logic. Cadsuane is far from being dimwitted enough to know only how to talk about embroidery, so seriously, get over it.

And finally, to Brandon Sanderson, absolutely wonderful job. I myself could barely tell any differences, and I neither looked for them nor cared as long as Jordan's story is being told. Keep up the great work!
Marc Breault
209. lizmarc
Brandon did a great job here. There were times I forgot it wasn't RJ although in the main, it was fairly easy to recognize a different style. I also think Rand's super serious mood is logical even though he does need to lighten up somewhat. I think most of us in his wituation would follow the same psychological course. I also like his reluctance to torture. So much of what he does is of necessity ends justifying the means but a part of him does not wish to stoop to what he thinks of as evil in order to accomplish "good."
Christopher Turkel
210. Applekey
I can see Brandon's hand in this but I don't think that is a bad thing. Just a different thing. He's going to do an awesome job!
makenzie
212. max425
Great writing! Faster and more direct than RJ. No folding arms beneath the breast or standing up and straightening dress. No sniffing. It's just amazing. And the prologue isn't a 100 pages, going backwards in time.

On the negative, one does miss RJ's prose a bit. Also the subtle humor is missing, like Cadsuane spanking around and being obnoxious, or Min cracking a joke, or Nyn being clutzy. I guess that's a casualty of the faster speed. We'll just buy the book and see how it goes.
Rob S
213. RobSS
ahhh jeeez how many more weeks!!!!
Mike McD
214. msmcdon
Well, I suppose for an occasion such as this, I will take a break from lurking.

After reading the entire chapter, I did indeed lose myself in the joy of reading new WoT after so many years. But I must admit, I read the first few paragraphs and found the prose a bit choppy, rather rougher and more contrived than I would have hoped. I even took a moment to scroll down to check the comments to see if anyone else felt this way before I reached Rand's entrance.

I think the chapter is compellingly written and I love that Brandon is bringing RJ's world to life again, but I found myself rearranging words in my head, trying them on to fit a more natural flow. Of course I understand Brandon told us he wasn't going to try to ape or mimic RJ perfectly, but it took some mental adjustment for sure!

I think reading this sample chapter finally drove home to me that we'll never get to hear the story in RJ's words, that we're getting the very best of imperfect options, and what a shame that is. Which, of course, is what Brandon's been telling us all along on his blog. So, kudos to him for bringing us this story as well as anyone but the Creator could have, and I'll just tell my internal editor to quit trying to "fix" passages into RJ-style and let myself enjoy stepping back into WoT.
William Fettes
215. Wolfmage
tenkuu @ 208

"If people are silly enough to nitpick about what doesn't sound like Jordan, then why are you even bothering to read this? You know who it's been written by, so if you're not satisfied, move along."

See, this kind of gag reflex against any criticism kind of annoys me. Why is it silly to discuss things you really liked alongside things which seemed little off? Essentially you're telling people they can only offer uniform effusive praise or bugger off, which is far more silly, frankly.

If the only differences being identified and discussed here were about the narrative voice and descriptive prose, it might be fair to dismiss too much fixation on them as nitpicking given BS has explicitly stated he won't be mimicking RJ's style. However, when it comes to writing dialogue and thoughts, surely it's a legitimate concern to want the central characters to actually sound like themselves? In that regard, yes, I would stand behind what I said above about Cadsuane's dialogue being a bit iffy in parts, notwithstanding that the rest was all pretty damn good. Heaven help us if the fandom can't debate these things in a civilised fashion.
Richard Millard
216. rsmillard
Huge fail.

It's not just that the voice is entirely different (although it is). What's worse is that the quality of the writing is so poor. I think I could have accepted a different voice - Jack Vance, say, or Gene Wolfe - but this is so poorly written... going to be a long slog.

It may be time for me to quit. Too bad - been a regular reader since EOTW was first released, and was really hoping to see a conclusion.
John Massey
217. subwoofer
Guy has an uphill battle- rag on the guy who decided to stretch this past a trilogy.

Heck past five...

Heck past seven...

Heck, past ten...

Labor of love any way you slice it. What is, is. I can either cry about it or make the best of it. Kudos to BS for taking on such a daunting task.

Edit- Rest in peace RJ, you have forever changed my life.

Woof.
T C
218. Freelancer
Gag reflex? You do enjoy your hyperbole. You criticize the text, then criticize those who feel no compulsion to agree with your criticism. I find nobody lacking civility, except you in nobly choosing to stand behind your previous comments while denigrating those who debate yours. The phrase Get over yourself comes very strongly to mind.
David Lien
219. davlien
I believe the sword is the Blade of Light from Eye of the World. Rand used it to stab Ba'alzamon at the Eye.
This could be the blade Lews Therin used in life, because Baalzamon recognized it and said something like "you can't use that! not yet!" i think.

that would put it in Rand's memory as well as Lews Therin's.

that was my theory
Richard Millard
220. rsmillard
@217 Subwoofer:

Agree that this was an almost impossible task. And yes, it's RJs fault for spinning out too many useless plot lines and not tying up the story in a reasonable number of books (what the hell was the point of the whole Sevanna kidnapping Faile deal? And 3 books getting the Kin to Caemlyn???)

I always felt it showed a lack of self confidence on RJs part - afraid to finish up with this world because he wasn't sure he could build another one?

In any event, while it will be interesting to see the plot completed (I'm assuming it will follow RJs outline, and therefore the broad outlines will be "genuine"), I'm thinking I'll just skim for plot points. I don't think I can wade through the prose - it's just so annoyingly juvenile....
John Massey
221. subwoofer
@220rsmillard-hmmmmmmmmmmmmm- interesting thought. Yes, I did consider what would happen if the WoT concluded earlier.

Eddings had a similar quest and spanned it in five books, then ended pt.1. Then brought a new quest in pt 2. New characters but same feel. I think he did it rather effectively. I think it was in RJ's power to do something along those lines. And then take it farther than any other author could of...

For instance- RJ did not have to link all the prophecies together. Could of done the whole Last Battle thing. Then do the Seanchan thing. Then do the Sea Folk thing. And then maybe the land beyond the Aiel Waste and the Waste thing. Battling Trollocs and beasties the whole way. That was the impression I got from TEotW. 3-4 five book series. meh.

But, as I have said, what is, is.

Woof.
rich
222. richnewton82
"I'm thinking I'll just skim for plot points. I don't think I can wade through the prose - it's just so annoyingly juvenile...."

roflmao. you do that.
James Jones
223. jamesedjones
220

"I don't think I can wade through the prose - it's just so annoyingly juvenile.... "

Well... they could've picked Stephen R Donaldson to finish. At least you don't have to carry a dictionary around while you read Sanderson's stuff.

IMHO I've been disappointed with the start of every single Sanderson novel. But he uses the method of planting seeds that RJ perfected. If you check out any of his other work, you'll need to finish to get the full effect. And I believe he (Sanderson) is great at giving the reader a surprise ending. Some authors make you appreciate all the effort they go through to manage and maintain style or quality while still succeeding in hiding the clues that they leave throughout.

That said, I wish I could view it as you do. It would make it possible to wait until everything is done and concluded before jumping back into this series that has been a small part of my life for so many years.
Drew Riley
224. drewoftherushes
@220 rsmillard

While I'm required to respect your opinion (for propriety's sake), I couldn't disagree much more.

I don't think anyone has the authority to call a professional writer's prose "juvenile" unless that person is another professional writer. Are you?

Don't you think it's funny that the editors, Harriet, Tom Doherty himself and everyone else involved with this project thinks that BS's prose is not only up to par but good enough to be selected as the voice that finishes a best-selling series? Remember, this is a business decision: Tor would never put someone they considered a "juvenile" writer in charge of such a money-making project.

And since the people I've mentioned have significantly more experience than you, it renders your opinion...questionable, to say the least. Especially without any specific evidence.

I'm just writing this to get you to look back and reconsider. But if you've made your decision, so be it.
John Massey
225. subwoofer
At least you don't have to carry a dictionary around while you read Sanderson's stuff.


*LOL*

Edit-guy's c'mon. An opinion is just that. Good or bad, agree with it or not, it is everyone's right to say what they feel. Whether or not we rise to the bait is our choice. My opinion and 50 cents won't buy you a cup of coffee so meh. There have been a few people on these particular blogs that have posted a contrary feeling to the general readership and been verbally stoned for it. Isilel, Roxy etc. dealt with it repeatedly. Say what you have to, just try to be civil and not go to personal attacks.

Woof.
johntheirishmongol
226. Tektonica
Thank you Brandon and Harriet. It's such a great treat to get this chapter and I can't wait to see the rest of the book(s)!

I've read this series many times and am now up to date on the rereads with Leigh and am thoroughly enjoying them! Thanks to Tor for this chapter and the reread synopsis. The appetite is definitely whet!

I discovered Brandon Sanderson's work when it was announced he'd be finishing the WOT. I think he's perhaps the perfect choice to finish this epic.
He writes great characters and good detail, but keeps thing moving. Of course it won't be exactly the same, and as some above have stated, that might not be a bad thing. I think it was #163 who suggested the characters might actually grow a bit. A bit more character arc would be welcome in a few.

I really liked the Rand thoughts in this chapter. He's always seemed rather obtuse to me, but here I got a better insight into his psyche and felt his desperation and, dare I say it, fear. He has a terrible burden and doesn't really know what's expected of him at Shayol Goul and how he will reseal the bore. He's vamping, and trying so hard to steel himself for the ultimate sacrifice. I too hope someone softens him up, but I don't blame him for being so distant, given the lack of communication between most groups in this book!

The hint about the aes sedai not cooperating in sealing the bore and refusing to form circles was brilliant new information! Loved the tease about the sword. Great intro chapter. More, please!!! (And why don't they just still Semi? That'd teach her! She wouldn't be dead, but she'd be useless to the DO.)

Keep up the good work, Brandon. Bravo and again, thank you!
John Massey
227. subwoofer
@ Tektonica
And why don't they just still Semi?


Yess!!! Enough pansying around. No quarter with the Shadow! Whoop some but! Finally!

er...

Woof.
Victoria
228. Victoriachloe76
Oh wow. That audio version was AWFUL. GAH. Going to wash my ears out
Richard Millard
229. rsmillard
@ 224 drew...

I'm glad you enjoyed it. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not going to try to change your mind.

To answer your question, no I'm not a professional writer. I've formed my opinions on good and bad writing through 50 years of reading, reflection and discussion of all types of literature. You (or anyone else) can agree or disagree. That's fine. But I'm not going to defer to the imaginary "expertise" of an editor or publishing house.

I can't agree with the argument that because Tor has published this, it must therefore be quality writing. Come on. We all know, I think, that tons of garbage gets published all the time. There are hundreds of books published by "professional" writers that are total crap.

It's up to each of us to be our own critics, use our own minds, and make our own judgments.
johntheirishmongol
230. razorbuck
Foreshadowing that the Dragon would carry Justice

"And men cried out to the Creator, praying, O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the Promised One be born of the mountain, according to the Prophecies, as he was in Ages past and will be in Ages to come. Let the Prince of the Morning sing to the land that green things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs. Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time."


from Charal Drianaan te Calamon, The Cycle of the Dragon, Author unknown, the Fourth Age


I believe there is also evidence to support Justice being a one-handed sword.

This is the scene in The Great Hunt where Rand meets Hawkwing:

"He knew the man who rode at their head, too. Tall and hook-nosed, with dark, deep-set eyes, his great sword Justice at his side. Artur Hawkwing."

The Great Hunt, Chapter 47

Notice Justice is at his side. If Hawkwing's sword was truly a greatsword in any literal sense, it would seem to make more sense for him to wear it strapped across his back, rather than at his side. Otherwise it would be extremely cumbersome to carry and difficult to withdraw. Also, it would be impossible to withdraw with both hands because the hand on the same side as the sword wouldn't be able to extend far enough.

Secondly, I'd like to point out another reference already posted above about Justice, this one also coming from The Great Hunt, Chapter 47.


"Justice shone like a mirror in Artur Hawkwing's gauntleted fist."

Here we have an instance where Hawkwing is actually holding his sword in one hand. Admittedly even were Justice a greatsword this would not be impossible (or improbably done, for that matter), but I would venture to say that it would certainly be difficult to hold and balance in one hand.

Thirdly, in The Shadow Rising, Chapter 9 we see the "legendary sword Justice," as opposed to the "legendary great sword Justice." The implication, then, is that the sword is not a greatsword.



Sounds likely it is justice.

Rand recognized it because he saw HAwkwing with the heroes of the horn.
steve cook
231. scook
"I certainly take it as further evidence of LTT being a separate personality imposed on Rand by something other than his own mind's difficulties. "


What does the "DRAGON REBORN" mean? It means that one soul that is reborn into another body. "LTT" is simply memories from a previous life.
John Massey
232. subwoofer
@razorbuck- good points all. Still moot in the end though. Rand should be focusing on turning people into turnips rather than diddling around with blades. Leave that to the soldiers. Use every weapon at your disposal. Rand has the power to level mountains and he dithers dueling mano-a-mano with random people- general thinking like a soldier...

Woof.
steve cook
233. scook
" The hint about the aes sedai not cooperating in sealing the bore and refusing to form circles was brilliant new information! "


This has been known since "The Strike at Shayol Ghul" was published in the Big White Book of Bad Art.
James Jones
234. jamesedjones
227 subwoofer

Oh, good lord. You would think that I had learned not to follow your links by now. After watching the song and dance, I checked out "Pansy becomes the Overlord". I'm still snickering.
John Massey
235. subwoofer
@JEJ- like I said in 46 of Load of Choss 14...

Edit- did you check the bit about medieval justice? I am one hot mogwai...
Rob Munnelly
236. RobMRobM
Based on the location of chapter one, any doubt that the cover shot shows the current manor in Arad Doman? Either an attack or Semi escaping? Rob

P.s. I'm in the "I thought it was pretty good" camp.
Wesley Parish
237. Aladdin_Sane
@122. Sultanfa

Nice point - it's ultimately what Brandon S does with the major characters we care enough about to keep reading the series, that will sell the book.

But, I still argue that using metaphors as terribly mixed as the ones I pointed out, will make more than just me, sit and and rub our eyes. Brandon S should be grateful that it's being pointed out now, before the books get printed and sent off to the bookshops; ditto for Tor. "indelible" is a terrible adjective to use in a military context - it fits far better in the personal honour context. "tainted love" - "indelibly tainted love" "indelible defeat"? "indelible victory"? "indelible stalemate"? "The Indelible Charge of the Light Brigade"?

Apart from that, and the "Phaw!" - which I don't remember - I remember reading "Pshaw!", I thought it was a fairly good approximation of R Jordan's style. Certainly far better than what I could do - but then, I've never tried to emulate another person's style. I'd need a concordance for it, just to avoid the "breeches"/"trousers" mistakes.
Bill
238. Cwolf21
I agree with drewoftherushes that Brandon was chosen by Harriet and TOR for good reasons. I am sure many other authors were considered, and they thought Brandon would do the best job. They had more information to go on than we have. We need to trust their judgment.

Let's face it, there is no way any author could finish this series with the exact same wording that RJ would have used. I think we all need to accept that fact and just enjoy the story. I eagerly anticipate reading the rest.

I would also like to point out that most of the main characters are young and have been changing and growing throughout the series. Rand has gone from a scared, ignorant, innocent shepherd to being the hard, angry, damaged, stressed out Dragon. Perrin has gone from being an apprentice blacksmith to a being a wolf, a warrior, a husband, a lord, and a leader (personally I liked him better before he got married). I did not like Matt that much at the beginning, but now he is my favorite character (he is fun).

My point in saying this is that some of the character differences can be attributed to their continued growth and change as they endure their difficult circumstances and challenges. Everyone has had their world turned upside down. Let's not read too much into slight differences in how the characters behave. Some of that would have happened even if RJ were still here to write it.

Thanks again for resuming the story!
Wesley Parish
239. Aladdin_Sane
appropros of nothing, except the debate about the seven seals and the Bore: next time, the Dragon will use walruses instead of seals. Much more reliable borewardens - "I weep for you," the Walrus said. "I deeply sympathize!". It is written! (A blair of trumpets, the sounding of gongs and the roll of drums, combined with the bleating of a terrified dog, and yelping of a thoroughly confused sheep.) It is WRITTEN!!!
Mike
240. pogo
Someone early in the thread was asking about Naef and why Logain wasnt with Rand, Logain is currently brow beating the Athan Miere into providing shipping to move troops in accordance with their deal with their Corramoor
rich
241. richnewton82
cadsuane definitely always has said PHAW in the books.. and just because she knits doesn't mean she'd using knitting as a metaphor... jesus christ.

atleast people could have legit complaints. those 2 don't even make sense.
Mike
242. pogo
Oh, the other thing, I wish Cadsuane would get on and do what she is supposed to.

Teach Rand to laugh and cry, while I sympathise with his predicament there's a boy who needs a good cry and a good laugh.

Bring on chapters with Mat in them
Joseph Blaidd
243. SteelBlaidd
In order to inject a little more actual data into this discussion I have posted here(after much labor) for your education, edification, and enjoyment the blog post wherein Brandon talks about his first words writing as the Author of of The Wheel of Time (dun dun dunnn).

From this post we know that Chapter one Paragraph one was written by Brandon and that these are the first Words he wrote in what is now The Gathering Storm. We don't know how much of the rest of the chapter is solely his creation but whatever the proportion I would say that he very quickly found his way in to the voice of The Wheel of Time even if it is not Jordon's Voice.
Dakota Downey
244. sivin95
This style sucks compared to Robert Jordan. I like the story but how the words have been woven together its just an itchy scratchy mess, like wool. While Robert Jordan wrote silk.
s rudnick
245. srudnick
My Ramblings...
The Writing...
I enjoyed this chapter and look forward to the rest of the book. The change in voice was apparent by the end of the second paragraph. I was, however, ok with that. Mr. Sanderson is not RJ, JR, or even Harriet. He is a fan like the rest of us. Only he has been bestowed with the honor and tribulation of finishing an icon. I had no expectation or desire to hear RJ's voice. At best, it would be a weak imitation. At worst it would leave (excuse the pun) a taint on the remaining books. Mr. Sanderson has done quite a good job and should be given credit for doing a task few of us would be qualified to take on.

The Sword...
The sword is of obvious importance. This may be Sanderson's construct, but I dobt this. RJ has thrown new ideas at us in a steady stream. He has also brought minor details from past books forward to become focal points. I think that this sword is in fact the sword of LTT. I also think that the sword is the great sword Justice.
To rationalize this, one only needs to think of RJ's story mechanics and research. Lan's sword is not heron marked, but was still prized as the weapon of Malkieri kings. It was passed from father to son for generations and was prized since the breaking. Heron marked blades were that much more prized and would like be well cared for and rarely discarded. The sword of the Dragon would likely be prized and recognized by anybody on either side of the war. That blade would undoubtedly be passed down from hand to hand.
As the sword was passed through the ages, the details of its history would likely have been lost. Not its importance though. It would obviously be a power made blade and the simple statement that, "this is the most important blade in the world,” could easily have been carried with it. It likely passed through several important people over its time.
It is likely that in a time when the most prized items are relics from the AoL, that Halkwing would possess a power wrought blade. Being the high king it seems fitting that he would have "the most important blade in the world". The blade could even have been a trophy won from Guire Amalasan, lending legitimacy to Hawkwing carrying a dragon painted scabbard. The fact that Hawkwing is among the most powerful taverin improves the likelihood that he would attain this particular blade. Justice was a great sword in importance, but not a great sword in form. A great sword or parade sword would not likely be carried by a king and would not be worn at the hip or even on the back. It is more likely that Hawkwing would carry the sword of a king than the sword of heavy infantry or a pike breaker. Without RJ to tell us we can’t be sure, but I expect Justice would be sword Rand and Lan would be comfortable with. This blade could be the proverbial Excalibur that Rand has been working his way up to since Tam sent him on his way.
How could it all last though; simple, with care or the one power. The blade is power wrought and will not fail unless acted upon by the power. The hilt and scabbard could be warded with keepings. That would explain cloth lasting. Or, it could have been well maintained. Sword maintenance is something RJ knew well and seems to have put research into. I am an amateur blade smith and know something of making a sword to last. The mention of lacquer is the key. With a steady supply of lacquer and oil a scabbard and hilt can be made to last for a long time. Fabric would degenerate, but leather hilt wrapping and paint has been known to last a very long time with even poor maintenance.
That leaves me with one last point; the sword being unearthed after hundreds of years. Historically, some of the best preserved blades have been buried on battlefields. Soil composition can aid in preservation. However, the term unearth does not necessarily mean the blade was buried, only that it was found were nothing was expected. It could have been in a tomb, the wall of a pub, or under Tam’s bed for all we know.
To sum it up, this is the most important blade ever. It was made for LTT when swords became serious business. When the war was over, it was preserved. Over the years it made its way to Hawkwing, a taverin and the most important individual between the times of LTT and Rand. Over the next set of years it was lost to history. Eventually, it made its way to another taverin, Rand.
Take it or leave it.
Ben Bryner
246. NegaDruid
Thank you, Tor, for releasing this early.

I know I'm not the only one who feels utter /relief/ and a profound joy at being back in the world of the Wheel of Time again.

Just listening to that voice speak those words brought me such profound peace. I've been a fan and have, own, and relisten to the audiobooks quite regularly.

Sanderson has done a dang good job in my opinion.

THANK YOU for bringing back and using those two readers. I don't know about anyone else, but as much as RJ, those two voices made the series for me. Michael Kramer and Kate Reading made an... indelible... impression on me with listening to all the audiobooks.

Not a day goes past that I don't look forward to hearing the journey continue.

I've read all of Mistborn, and thought it one of the best trilogies and had one of the most satisfactory conclusions I've ever read when it comes to a series.

I just want/need a Mistborn audiobook, myself. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing what occurs next. My guess? Cadsuane might do something that Rand /needs/. She'll confront him and actually talk to him about what he talks with Lews Therin about. Rand actually yelling at LT gave me goosebumps like the earlier commenter mentioned. I want to hear the reactions and what they say after this.

Aaaah, for it to be October already.
Alice Arneson
247. Wetlandernw
alreadymad - is that really, really you?? How will we know...

subwoofer @ 225 - Nah, Roxi got verbally stoned for verbally stoning people. Isilel used to annoy people by expressing only negative opinions. She's gotten downright fun to read lately, though.

Everyone in general... Wow! I can sure tell the ones who've been participating in the reread. Definitely a different standard of interaction.

Okay, enough comment on the comments. (Oh, btw, hi, DrG! Thanks for the shoutout! Made my day.) How about a comment on the post itself? Hmmmm.

I enjoyed it. Yup, right off the bat I could tell it wasn't RJ's writing. Yup, gave me the same feel as Mistborn in some ways - I could recognize the narrator as my contemporary, mostly through slight combinations of words and idiom. Yes, Wolfmage, there are some definite "modern idiom" phrases that are slightly jarring the first time through. That said...

I enjoyed it. Oh, I already said that, didn't I? As so many have already pointed out, Mr. Sanderson has said repeatedly that we would know the difference, that he wasn't going to try to sound just like Mr. Jordan. Having reread the rest of the books so many times, I'm sure I'll catch a lot of the differences in style, and I'm sure some will irritate me periodically. (And some will make me mad at the editors for not making a simple correction for continuity - "breeches" and "trousers" for example... Gee, thanks, whoever pointed that out. Now I'll never be able to ignore it! ;)

Over all, though, I'm really really happy to have Mr. Sanderson finishing the series. He's a fan, which has its pros and cons (I won't point it out, but I caught one that reflected a "fan reaction" to one of the characters that I thought felt... funny). He's also a good writer, and I appreciate that. I also appreciate that it has to be HARD to balance self-confidence and humility in this situation. It takes guts to take on the completion of a series whose creator has been as much of a model and influence on his own writing from... well, before he really started writing. On the other hand, it takes a certain amount of humility to take someone else's vision (ideas, world, outline and notes), remain true to that vision, and craft the rest of the story in such a way as to honor the original author. A great many authors would not be able to set aside their own egos enough to avoid the trap of "making it their own" to the detriment of the origin.

Okay, that was typically long-winded. So here's the short-winded version: Definitely Sanderson's writing here, but definitely Jordan's world and story. Cool.

Oh, and the sword? I'm looking forward to finding out, but so far I'm not convinced by any of the theories. Hmmm. I suspect that bit in the prologue (I think they mentioned it on the Dragonmount site) might at least tell us where "they" found it, which might tell us more about whose it used to be. Right now I don't think we have enough to go on. Several possibilities, no answers. Come, October 27, come!
Alice Arneson
248. Wetlandernw
AladdinSane @239

...next time, the Dragon will use walruses instead of seals. Much more reliable borewardens - "I weep for you," the Walrus said. "I deeply sympathize!"...

LOL!!

RobM @236 - My thoughts too. So it is Avi in the picture.
Dennis Chang
249. dfchang813
Ummm, please take a hike on over to Amazon.com and read a few reviews for Crossroads of Twilight.

Wasn't long ago that people were crucifying Jordan and burning him at the stake alive for his particular style of writing, character development, and plot progression.

It somewhat amuses me now to read how Sanderson's style supposedly can't hold up to the grand master, Pulitzer prize-winning Robert Jordan.

Huh??

Just because it's different doesn't mean it's BAD. Quite frankly, when I read the chapter, I wasn't focusing in on it like a high school English homework assignment trying to figure out when Jordan used "trouser" and Sanderson put in "breeches" and counting how many words it took for one to describe Min's dress blah blah blah.

I read the chapter for the STORY and the CHARACTERS and the PLOT and I'm happy to say as someone who has been with this series for over 20 years that I fell into the story completely. Call me blessed to not have the burden of . . . what did one of the guys on this blog say?? 50 years of reading high literature, etc??

The Wheel of Time is going to be finished by a much, much, much better author and fan than any of us have a right to expect and I, for one, am profoundly grateful.

Before heaping too much criticism, let us all be mindful that Jordan himself was hardly Cormac McCarthy or even Tolkien and that it is a literal impossibility for any author to finish this thing with the exact same tone or manner that Jordan would have.

We're going to get these three books written by one of the rising stars in epic fantasy and I'm thrilled we get to read it.
William Fettes
250. Wolfmage
Freelancer @ 218

“Gag reflex? You do enjoy your hyperbole. You criticize the text, then criticize those who feel no compulsion to agree with your criticism.”

I didn’t criticise anyone for disagreeing with me, thank you. I simply noted that tenkuu’s instruction @ 208 that detractors push off was uncalled for, and questioned the blanket declaration therein that all criticism offered here could be reduced to silly nitpicking. All I was saying was at least some of the criticism was reasonable and offered in good faith, not that it must be accepted. I have no dispute with those who are uniformly positive, but I do consider telling other fans to 'move on' without engaging anything in a constructive way to be unconducive to discussion.

I have no idea why you think my reply wasn’t civil, or why the phrase ‘gag reflex’ was seen as especially provocative. But saying “Get over yourself” ; how is that even remotely called for?
William Fettes
252. Wolfmage
richnewton82 @ 241

"cadsuane definitely always has said PHAW in the books.."

Yeah, she definitely always said Phaw!

‘and just because she knits doesn't mean she'd using knitting as a metaphor...’

True. Embroidery or dress making might have been more germane to her experiences, just as Siuan always resorted to fish metaphors, however, there’s nothing to say she can’t reach outside for her metaphors. My thing was more that I didn’t love artisanship per se as an analogy for torture, as it seems purposed just for Rand to knock down rather than something Cadsuane came up with. But as far as it goes, painting didn’t work for me as well as well as other alternatives might have. It may seem trivial, but that section was a minefield for me.
johntheirishmongol
253. FilipTanchev
Respect the authors! There is NOTHING wrong with this chapter. I'm sick of people complaining! Seriously, this is a work of two great authors and a huge team behind them starting with Harriet. And you still complain. "If feels off, It is in different narration." It feels great! The book is almost here, and I'm counting the hours.
Maiane Bakroeva
255. Isilel
Just wanted to say that they definitely have paintings. Siuan had one of fishing boats hanging in her study, didn't she?
It is true that Cads use of "he" in relation to the artist seems a little off, cause in WoT women tend to put in "she" when making such comparisons since in their world an artist could be either.

Re: breeches versus trousers, in some well-researched historical novels I've read, breeches were only knee-length and were worn with stockings. So, maybe it is RJ's mistake? Since he does seem to talk about a full-length garment that would be properly called trousers.

And while to be honest I did find the "wind" section a bit awkward, I have felt the same about the equivalent sections of several latest RJ volumes, too. I really liked the Rand section, though.
Iain
256. Arkade Perfekt
the only part of this chapter that was a little clumsy to me was the very beginning. once we encountered the characters, i was at once immersed in the world the Robert Jordan created for us. remember whoever is writing it, its Jordan's story. Brandon Sanderson is a great writer who will only get better, and im glad he's the one who has been chosen tell us the rest of Jordan's story.

to expect the writing to be exactly like Jordan's is as unrealistic an expectation as you could have, and whilst i agree that in wording of the descriptions (particularly at the beginning)come across as awkward, the STORY and CHARACTERS are infinitly more important. and that, I think, is Sandserson's biggest success here.

If it helps, you should think of the final three books as being told to you by a different gleeman:P

A Gleeman regaling you with the same fantastic story but in a slightly different style.
Rob Munnelly
257. RobMRobM
Following up on Wetlander @247, I'd like to extend a warm invitation for those of you who joined Tor.com to get access to this chapter to join the WoT re-read that has been going on for the past eight months or so.

Leigh Butler, webmistress of one of the WOT sites, is our hostess. She posts on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays, usually at some point in the early afternoon. Each post summarizes two chapters (or so) and then includes fairly extensive and often witty commentary by Leigh about what happened and particular nuggets that can be gleaned from close examination of the text. At that point, a whole bunch of commenters come in and get to post their thoughts on the chapters or Leigh's thoughts about the chapters or posts of other commenters. The process has worked well and virtually every post uncovers something that I had not discovered on previous reads or re-reads. We have a strong community going but, like siblings, every once in a while there is a flare up and some take shots at each other. These are kept to a minimum and in virtually all cases they are followed by kissing and making up afterwards (not that there's anything wrong with that).

We are now almost to the middle of Lord of Chaos. Feel free to dive in, the water's great. We'll try to keep the hazing to a minimum for the newbies. Just be sure to click into every link posted by Rfife. They are always so educational.


Rob
Tim FItches
258. El Fitcho
Quick thought - given the collossal beating 'The Wind' received at the start of this chapter from whatever slammed into it, what might happen to it at the start of books 13 and 14?? Presumably it will be utterly consumed by the Dark One by book 14, and the start of the book won't be able to follow it's normal course at all. That would be cool.

Alternatively, given that books 12-14 were originally intended as one volume, perhaps the wind won't be present at all in 13 or 14... That would be weird.

Interested in everyone's opinions on this.

Keep up the interesting comments!

Miaow. I mean, Woof.
John Massey
259. subwoofer
'K honorary pass for using my tag. I'll let it slide for the new guys...

Hi Wetlandernw- seems that there is a bit to say about the new books coming out. My initial knee jerk reaction was jumping around and saying "Oh Joy!!! Finally! Some closure." Then pondering what it means to have another author ghost writing... In the end I am trying to keep an open mind and let the books speak for themselves. I am sure that once in front of me, regardless of whatever, if BS did a passable job, then I will, once again, be immersed in story and will be happy just to be back into fresh pages and having the plot lines move forward and get wrapped up.

In the end, that is all I really want, the answer to "what happens next?"

Edit- similar stuff has happened for me in the past. When Louis L'amour passed away, several novels were released after, they were not the same, but I still took what I could get.

Woof.
Gregory Mathews
260. GDMATHEWS
I don't know what to say...I have been rereading the entire series on audio CD. RJ did get a bit over winded on the last four books. He was into detail a bit too much. It was like walking through JEllO, but it wasn't too far off from his first seven books that were just awesome. Very detailed but not boring.

Now to shift to a prose style that almost sounds like an outline or a screenplay in tempo. It's a bit too quick. I enjoyed getting into a good deep read.

But I have to agree with @40. If 750,000 words is what it will take to tell the story the BS way, it would have been 3 million the RJ way.

I'm hoping I can get used to this outline style. I've been reading the RJ style for so long that it just seems WEIRD, and more WEIRD. Did BS rewrite the whole book. Because if we have RJ parts and BS parts, it is going to be really, really weird.

Still, I can't wait to find out what happens. Not ever knowing would the the worst of all. It's just that I enjoyed the way RJ told the story as much as the story itself. It's hard to get used to.

I might have been a good idea to have this last book be told by Loial. That would have explained the change in narration style and be easier to accept.

I hate to sound negative. Maybe if I reread it several times....
Tom Jones
261. tearl
FYI regarding the breeches-trousers point, I did a search on Ideal Seek.

breeches: 288 times in the books
trousers: 112 times in the books

Breeches are a decided favorite, but trousers were not unknown.
James Jones
262. jamesedjones
261 tearl

AWESOME link!!! The very first thing I searched? Orange. :D
James Jones
263. jamesedjones
The second thing I searched? Alabaster. lol

It actually appears twice in reference to the White Tower in tEotW.
Ronald Oskam
264. Ron al Doskam
What can I say.

The chapter felt in the beginning some what odd. Like listening to a new album of your favourite band. Only with a different line up.

But reading on the music (story) gripped me and felt like old times. BS didn't immitate but told the story. And he did a very good job! Wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

On the sword, jusitice seems to methe most logical. Furthermore there is somewhere a part of the foretellings, I think Nicola's that ends with The guardian and servants are balanced. The last battle done but the world not done with battle. The future titters on the edge of a sword.

The words are not completly right but I think that get the message across about the sword.
John Joiner
265. jejoi
I thought this was well done. Reminiscent of some of Jordan's earlier (better) books in the series and less (needlessly) wordy than books 8-10.
Tim FItches
266. El Fitcho
Subwoofer@259

Oops, thought the whole woof tag thing had been done by others too, but looking further I see it belongs to you alone!

Apologies - happy to pay royalties as required ;)
Tess Laird
267. thewindrose
El Fitcho - subwoofer is doing a lot of house reno's, so he will probably take you up on that:)

Wetlandernw - you did come and read, I was wondering if you would, or wait for the book. I am thinking that most people will be muture and not comment about this on the reread. Also - Pablo said they would keep this one up for quite awhile - I wonder as we approach 800 if the comment theard will be shut down?
Rob Munnelly
268. RobMRobM
wind@267. Let's push the envelope. "Break it, break it, break it..."
Tess Laird
269. thewindrose
RobMRobM-
Indeed - with LTT having an even more significant voice - re chapter one - (had to make sure I was on the correct thread) that is even more likely to happen:)
Hi Pablo:) (Remember - it's in the book)
F Shelley
270. FSS
@160 - I wasn't saying Brandon wrote a book report. I'm saying the tone, or "voice" is much more...straightforward?...modern?...than most WoT prose. It's his style of writing. And notice I didn't say it was a bad thing. Just...different. RJ's prose reminds me of a more verbal (and I want to say, Southern) storyteller. His pacing was different, mostly slower in setting things but faster when the action dictated it, but overall WoT always seemed to me like it could have been told by a guy sitting at a campfire telling a story out loud. Brandon's voice seems to be more styled to writing the story down.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense at all, but that's just my impression of the chapter. Of course, the kicker would be if Tor, Harriet, Brandon, et.al. came out and said it was all written by RJ. Then I'd have to create a whole new name here; I couldn't bear the shame...

For the record, I've read Elantris and Mistborn. I LIKE his work. I'm not trying to tear him down, and am thrilled he's writing the rest of the story. I was just saying it reads a little...different. And BS posted on his bloga long time ago that he knew it would, so I don't think I hurt his feelings :).
M. Verzaal
271. z2al
just signed up with TOR to be able to see the chapter...
Couple of thoughts from reading through the comments

1) someone has mentioned it, but I kept thinking it every time the sword came up - the Dragonmount site mentioned in the first comment (http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=641) says Chapter one does begin after a short scene in the prologue. COuld be explained there, or could be another hook (because by book 12 I'm not hooked enough already...)

2) Asmodean and his black cord - I always interpreted the 'cost him his immortality' as the DO seeing it as a betrayal (especially with Lanfear off to tattle..) DO would not resurrect betrayers.

3) I guess with his whole box thing and Semi's obvious plan Rand wouldn't have gone along, but if you have sul'dam you probably have a'dam...
I guess Nyn is keeping mum on her previous exp with holding Forsaken by the a'dam...

anyway my 2cents, maybe overvalued even in todays market :)
Alice Arneson
272. Wetlandernw
thewindrose @267 - Hi! Yes, I came, I read, I commented. ;) The delay was mostly due to being out of town for the weekend and finally last night, looking at a computer for the first time in 3 days. I debated a little, but hey, it's the first chapter, not a spoiler-filled review. What's not to approve?

I'm actually really glad I read it, and I'll probably go say this on the other thread as well. Reading the first chapter gives me a little time to adjust to Sanderson's style, which is definitely different than Jordan's. I think picking up the book (okay, ripping the box open and diving in headfirst!) and getting the sort of "shock to the system" effect might have thrown me off balance. This way, when it arrives I'll have already been through all that and can just go ahead and enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.

Thinking about the comments this morning, I've been getting some real chuckles over the various adjectives people have used to describe the writing style. It's really hard to even comment on it, without someone getting defensive about their choice of words. I think the most jarring difference in the styles is the choice of wording, and imho it's really a generational, and possibly locational, thing. (Is locational a word? I just mean that they grew up and lived in very different parts of the country.) Sanderson uses words and phrasings that weren't part of Jordan's vernacular. I'm not just talking about his books - his blog and even transcriptions of conversations with him reflect the same. It's not a matter of vocabulary; both reflect a good education and mastery of language and effect. It's just the idiom that's different. And, as some have noted, the more straightforward style. I think it's a bit like hearing a story told in High Chant vs. Common. It's the same story, it's just a different style; some will prefer one, some the other, and some won't really care which style is used as long as we get to hear the end of the story.
Aaron Davies
273. adavies42
love the page title: “Tears from Steel by Management Services”. someone go kick your Joomla admin…
Galen Brinn
274. GatheringStorm
Wow. I'm impressed...I've never read any of Brandon's own books but I like what I've read so far and am anxiously awaiting the full release next month.

rsmillard wrote
Huge fail.

It's not just that the voice is entirely different (although it is). What's worse is that the quality of the writing is so poor. I think I could have accepted a different voice - Jack Vance, say, or Gene Wolfe - but this is so poorly written... going to be a long slog.

It may be time for me to quit. Too bad - been a regular reader since EOTW was first released, and was really hoping to see a conclusion.


and
In any event, while it will be interesting to see the plot completed (I'm assuming it will follow RJs outline, and therefore the broad outlines will be "genuine"), I'm thinking I'll just skim for plot points. I don't think I can wade through the prose - it's just so annoyingly juvenile....


I could tell right away that the "voice" was different, but different =/= bad. I understand that people are going to have a hard time adjusting to Brandon's writing. Differences are going to be noticed and nit-picked over, but to call the writing "poorly written" and "juvenile"? That's a bit over the top, don't you think? If you really think it's so bad, you could write out your own version and submit it and see what people think...

Since you obviously feel that it's that bad, then why are you going to going to bother purchasing the book? Why not just quit, like you suggest in your first statement?

Some people are just never happy, I guess.
Curtis
275. Mixam
@max425 #212: Max this isn't the prologue, its the first chapter. The prologue comes on sale on Sept 17 or so for $2.99 if I recall. The prologue is quite huge (though I forget how many words/pages), which is why they offered this up for free instead of that. So unless you have read the prologue, I don't think you should be debating on what it does include or how long it is.

@wolfmage #215: ditto

@davlien #219: Personally I think the "you can't use that, not yet" was actually in response to Rand using the power at all. The reason Ba'alzamon was saying that was because Rand was not ready to safely use the power because he hadn't been taught yet or learned anything by himself yet either. It was dangerous and he could have burned himself out or killed himself.

@220 rsmillard: I believe the kidnapping Faile part was about introducing the idea of dealing with the Seanchan instead of just fighting against them. It probably also has something to do with keeping Rand alone for a while and showing how Masema was in dealings with the Seanchan oh and finally getting Sevanna taken care of. I mean the story obviously could have been shortened by Rand just sending an ashaman to get the queen of ghealdan and to knock Masema over the head and bring him and heck while he's at it to go grab Mat and bring him back too but where would have been the challenge in that?

Yeah RJ does go off on tangents quite often some of which one could argue were unnecessary but that's his style. And he usually uses those tangents to influence later events. I mean yeah some of the books pretty much didn't conclude any of the major storylines, just introduced more. Which was quite annoying ant the time when you were expecting some sort of a climax to a story line and didn't really get one. But one could argue that his style made the WOT what is is, a huge involved world you can feel a part of while you are reading. I don't think I could have felt such an attachment to a trilogy although I could be mistaken.

@232 subwoofer: Although I get the point you are trying to make, the fact is Rand has difficulty defending himself with the power. Every time he embraces it he gets dizy and nearly pukes, losing valuable time. If he is attacked by a couple of swordsmen, it would probably be safer for him to kill them with a sword then to risk embracing saidin and ending up vulnerable while he is dizzy and possibly even in a fight for saidin with LTT. Besides Rand himself acknowledged the problem that he shouldn't be reaching for his sword first out of habit and it could get him killed. However like I said it could also save his life.

@245 srudnick: direct quote "yet it was centuries old, unearthed only recently" It says only the it was centuries old not that it was unearthed after centuries. The contention for whether it could be a power wrought blade or not rests on the definition of centuries in this context. If centuries here means less then 1000 years old it can't be a power wrought blade. It would have to be approx 3000 years old for that as the Aes Sedai stopped making the power wrought blades after the breaking. This is assuming of course that the blade originated from in Randland and not from somewhere else like for instance Seanchan where women who can channel don't have a restriction against making weapons with the power. Or even as that goes made by a member of the black ajah in Randland. Either way I don't think we have enough info to make an informed decision. Personally I think it is Hawkings sword Justice, just because I like the implications that would bring about ;)

@261 Tearl: I agree awesome link. The first thing I searched alabaster a word that jumped out to me in my first reading of this chapter as describing the white tower. RJ used alabaster 4 times once describing the White Tower in Rand's nightmare:

"Ahead of him down the street was a snow-white tower. The same tower. In just a little while, he thought, and rounded another corner. At the far end of this street, too, lay the white tower. Stubbornly he turned another corner, and another, and each time the alabaster tower met his eyes. He spun to run away from it... and skidded to a halt. Before him, the white tower."

Oddly in my HC copy it showed up on page 103 while the search said page 100, but still an awesome link. So I guess RJ once used alabaster to describe the white tower so I guess I should forgive BS for using it once although if he uses alabaster every time he describes the white tower I will be very annoyed. This is because in every other case I recall the tower was either called the "White Tower", simply "The Tower" or the "snow-white tower" and quite frankly I think of alabaster as more of an off white then snow-white.

@263 jamesedjones: Alabaster was only used once in response to the White Tower previous to this chapter. The second use of alabaster in TEOTW was in Shadar Logoth. Even on the same page it was described as snow white 2 times, white 2 times and simply the tower 3+ times. In fact alabaster was used only 4 times EVER in WOT until this chapter so yes it jumped out at me when I read it in this sample chapter.

PS. I don't think I'll be reading this anymore as it takes up too much of my time cross checking info before posting and there are a lot of new posts coming up to read. So yay one of the guys who thinks the different writing style was distracting is gone WooT!
James Jones
276. jamesedjones
274 GatheringStorm

"Since you obviously feel that it's that bad, then why are you going to going to bother purchasing the book? Why not just quit, like you suggest in your first statement?"

Now, hang on. I'm not sure it's appropriate to tell someone not to buy the books. IMHO if they post their opinion of a new chapter on another Tor.com page (especially one where everyone is terrified of the ebil spoilers), then they are fair game. But, while I love the "discussions" that go on here, I just don't feel comfortable with telling someone not to purchase the books (it's kinda Tor's thing). :)

Edit: changed "read" to "buy"
Luke M
277. lmelior
Disclaimer: I haven't read all these comments so I might be repeating someone else's.

The thing is, for some people it doesn't even matter which parts were written by Jordan, because just knowing there is a new author helping to finish the series they will imagine it's different anyway. Literary placebo.

For me it just doesn't matter. Rand is still maddeningly stupid (what I'd do: threaten to sever Semirhage, if she doesn't talk, f'ing DO IT, then offer to Heal her if she does talk, after that's sunk in, if she still doesn't talk then Heal her and sever her again, rinse and repeat). Nynaeve is still maddeningly temperamental, Cadsuane is still maddeningly...Cadsuane.

The Wheel of Time is still the Wheel of Time. And I want it.
muadib666
278. muadib666
Asmodean's killer has already been revealed - Graendal.

http://www.cnn.com/chat/transcripts/2000/12/12/jordan/
F Shelley
279. FSS
@278 - you're either a troll or too stoopid to be allowed. Go away
Alex Johns
280. almuric
Wow. People are really tearing into anyone even slightly critical. I've got a thick skin, so I guess I'll throw in my comments and you guys can flame away.

Let me go ahead and say that I don't like Brandon's particular style of prose. I've read (skimmed, actually) the ebooks he's put out and they're not for me. It's readable, certainly, but not something I would choose to spend my time reading. There's just something that doesn't work for me. And I don't know that there's anything inherently wrong with that. Many people consider 'Citizen Kane' the greatest work of cinema, ever. I thought it was just ok and it wouldn't make my top 100. ('Casablanca', however. Ooh, let me count the ways.)

This first chapter is in a style of writing I don't particularly care for. There's parts of it that are fine, but if this was the first chapter of some book I'd never seen before, it's unlikely I would continue to the second chapter.

But, unfortunately for me, I want to see how it ends. So I guess I'll be buying the book and working my way through it. To be fair to Brandon, I'm having to work my way through Winter's Heart and CoT also (although it's not the prose but lack of any substantive plot advancement that's the problem right now), although the parts of KoD I've read are working for me again. I guess it won't be completely painful, like having to read 'Wuthering Heights' in high school, but it's not my cup of tea.

To those of you who like Brandon's style of prose, consider yourself lucky. The rest of us are in a hell of our own (and RJ's long-windedness) devising.

And, honestly, do I have to be able to play a guitar in order to be able to tell when it's being played badly or when it's playing a tune I don't particularly like? I can't critique a book because I'm not a published author? Really? I'd call whoever said that a rude name, but name-calling on the internet is a waste of electrons.
Pablo Defendini
281. pablodefendini
@FSS #279:

Take it easy. If you think there's nothing to the chat transcript muadib666 linked to, explain why. No need for name-calling.
Jason Koelewyn
282. githraine
Does not read like Jordan...
And the Sword is Justice. Only one that makes sense being from Rand's memories.
Galen Brinn
284. GatheringStorm
jamesedjones @276.

I wasn't telling him not to buy them. He was the one who had mentioned that maybe it was time for him to quit. I merely asked that if he found the writing that bad, then why not follow through?

I admit that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I get that there are fans who won't like Brandon's writing...but there's no need to go overboard with the critiques: smillard made his opinions more than clear through use of gratuitous insults on the writing style rather than saying "I don't like it and here's why...".
dave bradley
285. scoelab1
Referencing the sword, I think it could, just possibly, maybe, be Rand's sword and he is "remembering" the future.

Because, the end of the series will end with Rand realizing he is only a voice in the head of the next Dragon Reborn.
Joseph Daly
286. Joed1414
I have a feeling Rand is gonna lose control and end up killing Semirhage. Or LTT will take control and do it. Or sever her. I believe he talked about that once to Rand.
Deborah Kay-Morgan
287. moondivatx
Thank you Pablo. If anything RJ was always gracious..he did have the sense of humor most Southerners have, where you're not really sure if we are laughing with you or at you. BUT he was always gracious.

That said

Mothers milk in a cup! it's refreshing to read books that do not contain contemporary swear words. Oh,characters do swear but it's like a new language.

Now to get totally in left field. The game Stones. I have a game from 1981 called Pente. Does anyone know if the two are similar? Or is there a version of stones available?

@285 So Rand is channeling Bob Newhart? Pun intended ;D
michael ogilby
288. heinzster
I have read ( and loved) all Brandon's Mistborn series. They are awesome!!! I can thoroughly recommend them - especially with the fantastic magical system he has developed (incidently also check out Melanie Rawn's dragon prince series - brilliant!)

I don't think the first chapter feels like RJ, but I am more than happy to admit that I could easily be biased by the knowledge that it might not be. Also it is a while since I read the books, but have just finished the first 11 books on audiobook. I think this might account for a lot of my perceived difference!

No matter, Brandon ROCKS!!

Bring on the whole book
(and Brandon, if you read this, PLEASE keep writing!)
johntheirishmongol
289. skinnybattlecow
That was RJ. Maybe some edits took some of the sniffs away. But that was RJ. To me, it didn't miss a beat. I am now genuinely excited. Started rereading Crossroads last night, (I like to go back at least two books prior to each release), and should be ready to go by the end of October. This is very exciting. And for those detractors out there. If you feel as though Sanderson isn't up to your standards, don't read the book! Check back here and someone will tell you how this 20 year plus saga ends. Thank you RJ for having the insight to have it all figured out prior to your demise, may you rest in peace. Thank you Brandon, I know you must be jazzed. From what I can see here, you are definitely the right choice.
Dean Byington
290. Baladune
Just 1 note Rand's blurry vision is due to the damage from the fire ball at the end ok KOD and not saa. Rand is not using the true power so will not develope saa. After the battle is over and Semi has been captured Nynaeve Delves him and heals his arm, then she says there is also something wrong with your eyes but I don't think I can heal that without doing more damage(also something about studing up on it). I dont have the exact quote as I am at work and don't have my book infront of me.
John Welch
291. Dragonturtle
It is obvious that Rand will not die at the end of the series we are just suppose to believe it.Every one will belive it though.His blood on the rocks will be the Aiel not his own.Bashere will die along with the queen of Saldea so Perrin can fix the broken crown and take the crown of Saldea
Jason Henninger
292. jasonhenninger
@12 and a few others.

I remember hearing that Jordan wrote the first several chapters and Sanderson took over after that.

Can someone at Tor confirm or deny this?
chant
293. chant
I'm in the "I liked it, Brandon has his own voice. but Min wears breeches, Tuon wears pleats" camp. over critical? maybe. but throw in a few token "Dawdle" and I'll be fine.
Eric Lemonholm
294. Lemonholm
Awful....ly good to get to read this! Thanks Tor, Harriet, and Brandon. After the first few baby steps at the beginning (the wind passage), it got going and I got sucked into the old story.
johntheirishmongol
295. dragos85
just a thought but maybe the flaw in the DO prison is is the actual prison. What was it that Fel said the old has to be cleared away or something like that what if he meant the whole prison had to be destroyed and rebuilt in order for the DO to be permanently sealed away.
Jacy Clark
296. Amalisa
Wetlander@272:
I think it's a bit like hearing a story told in High Chant vs. Common.


Thank you! You have exactly nailed down for me how I feel after having read Chapter One.

I wrote a piece on another website after RJ's death that may explain a bit more what I'm feeling: He (Robert Jordan) painted word pictures as well as anyone I've ever read, and he painted them on an immense scale - a canvas broad enough to encompass his world. That detail driven style that drove some people nuts was, for me, exquisite brush strokes on a cherished masterpiece.

I've observed that the opinions about Jordan's "detail driven style" trend toward one extreme or the other. Ultimately, the opinions about TGS and onward may follow those same extremes. We'll see. That said, I honor and respect Brandon for taking on this task. And thank him and Harriet and Tor for whetting my appetite.

Bring on "The Gathering Storm". I'm ready!
johntheirishmongol
297. Malfaydor
As Jordan wrote the wind would begin in the center of the pattern that was each book he wrote. As this wind passed over patterns already woven it would then settle on a new starting place. A needle that hooks a thread, and begins the work of binding such threads, adding new patterns in time. Now, in the last, there is a new wind. The pattern has been made, it's design set, and yet these final threads will not be woven by the maker of the pattern.
This new wind-Symbolic. Genius.
John Massey
298. subwoofer
@El Fitcho- lemme give you the number to an off-shore account I have, or maybe my Home Depot account, that is bigger right now... ;)

@275 Mixam- yes, you do make a good point, but the Randster is one handed now, he has to re-learn the forms and learn how to wield a sword one handed. I believe the whole- in serious s#!t could happen if he met anybody with a hint of skill with a blade line was mentioned. I know it is an adjustment for Randmiester but he should take a page out of Taim's book and teach himself to use the power for everything. He did cleanse Sadin, so his issues with the taint should of subsided by now.

@Wetlander- like I said, it is what it is. Different voice, but if I get some closure here to this series that has consumed me since the early 90's I will take what I can get.

Woof.
John Massey
300. subwoofer
300!

Woof!
Cynthia Ahmar
301. tenkuu
Wolfmage @ 215


"See, this kind of gag reflex against any criticism kind of annoys me. Why is it silly to discuss things you really liked alongside things which seemed little off? Essentially you're telling people they can only offer uniform effusive praise or bugger off, which is far more silly, frankly."

**It's no gag reflex. It's silly to make a special note of it because you already know that this book is being, for the most part, written by another author. Speculation and criticism are not bad as long as they're constructive, but I haven't seen much of that. Rather, what I've definitely seen is nitpicking at the unimportant differences that you expected to be there. Is there a point to that? The long and short of it is no.

"If the only differences being identified and discussed here were about the narrative voice and descriptive prose, it might be fair to dismiss too much fixation on them as nitpicking given BS has explicitly stated he won't be mimicking RJ's style.
However, when it comes to writing dialogue and thoughts, surely it's a legitimate concern to want the central characters to actually sound like themselves?"

**Someone made the remark that artists have never been mentioned in Jordan's world, and basically implied that they don't exist there. Now, does that make sense to you? Honestly speaking, does it? And do you really think Cadsuane knows only how to talk about embroidery? Those are the kinds of pointless comments that are annoying, because if you put some thought to them, you'd realize "well that doesn't make any sense". Logic is your friend, trust it.

"In that regard, yes, I would stand behind what I said above about Cadsuane's dialogue being a bit iffy in parts, notwithstanding that the rest was all pretty damn good."

**It does not matter. That is the point. What I said does still stand though: if you aren't satisfied with the results in this chapter, then you might as well just stop the series from this point on, because you knew these differences were going to be there, and if you're nitpicking on the first chapter, you're in for a world of disappointment. Pick your battles, basically. And I am of course addressing the general plural "you", not you yourself.

"Heaven help us if the fandom can't debate these things in a civilised fashion."

**No one is being uncivilized. There is just no point to picking apart a single chapter. There's going to be perhaps 50 of them in this book, you know.
John Massey
302. subwoofer
One thing I will say... okay, one more thing I will say, I wish Rand could deal with his rational of hurting women or placing Maidens in harms way. He more or less deals with the latter, but the former is really to his detriment. Let Caddy whoop some Forsaken butt!

Woof.
chant
303. chant
I like this new darker, Rand five finger, with a newfound eye for "Domani fashion".

Its like I always say: There not enough "Law & Order" on cable, or fashion discussions in WoT.
paula
304. lordgoldeneyes2003
Awesomeness! I can't wait for late October!!! A week earlier, even! I just finished KoD for the third time in prep for this book to be released. October is so far away...
Ben Voivedich
305. benvee
Wow! A great story and narration...I can't wait.
Cynthia Ahmar
306. tenkuu
rsmillard @ 229


"To answer your question, no I'm not a professional writer. I've formed my opinions on good and bad writing through 50 years of reading, reflection and discussion of all types of literature. You (or anyone else) can agree or disagree. That's fine. But I'm not going to defer to the imaginary "expertise" of an editor or publishing house."

**Are you kidding me with this? Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but to call them imaginary experts when they've published books and you haven't is more than just insulting, it's arrogance on your part. So you've read, reflected and discussed literature for a long time. So what? The real experts are the ones who do this for a living. They know what the majority of people will and will not read. You may be entitled to your own opinion, but the only imaginary expertise I see here is yours.
Jason Langston
307. jason1970
You can definitely see RJ's touch on this first chapter. But if anyone who has read Brandon's works (Elantris & Mistborn books), you can also see him spinning his threads into how this was written. If anyone is expecting a "real" RJ written work in these last three books, they will really be disappointed. But anyone who is in this for long haul will love these last three books b/c it is RJ's story through and through and his vision will fully come out.

Some have commented that they aren't sure about the lengthy narrative done, but RJ was known for doing this in several books ... and not just the first chapter. It was a bit slow for me but a lot of what came out really got me to thinking about what was done in past books and what is to come in this and the last two books. What happened with Asmo? Who's sword is Rand wearing and how does he know it? Are the Borderlanders who are leaving their posts the ones who are going to help Lan? And the biggie ... will Moiraine come back to help in the fight at Tarmon Gaidon or (my theory) show up once it's done to gentle or kill Rand? It may be a bit off, but I see it as full circle since she brought him in to the fight that she will release him at the end so the world will not have to worry about another Breaking.
Ken Jack
308. nanaimobar
Just.
Flipping.
AWESOME!

Can't Wait!

Thank you Brandon, Harriet and RJ.
Cynthia Ahmar
309. tenkuu
Cwolf21 @ 238


"I would also like to point out that most of the main characters are young and have been changing and growing throughout the series. Rand has gone from a scared, ignorant, innocent shepherd to being the hard, angry, damaged, stressed out Dragon. Perrin has gone from being an apprentice blacksmith to a being a wolf, a warrior, a husband, a lord, and a leader (personally I liked him better before he got married). I did not like Matt that much at the beginning, but now he is my favorite character (he is fun)."

All the things you have pointed out are what make me believe that among all of the ta'veren, Mat is the least powerful. He hasn't been saddled with as much as Perrin has, just as Perrin can't be said to have been saddled with as much as Rand has. Mat is fun, but because of this attitude, he's my least favorite of the three boys. He's just a little too carefree for my tastes. My favorite has always been Rand.

"My point in saying this is that some of the character differences can be attributed to their continued growth and change as they endure their difficult circumstances and challenges. Everyone has had their world turned upside down. Let's not read too much into slight differences in how the characters behave. Some of that would have happened even if RJ were still here to write it."

**Yes, they have changed, but if you really think about it, they are still pretty much the same as well. Rand has been depicted as being very kind, considerate and responsible from the beginning, and I don't think that has changed about him. Certainly, he's hardened, but that only emphasizes his underlying kindness, that he needs to be so hard to conceal it and retain his sanity. And of course it is also the result of someone who has been terribly hurt. I have seen this with the manga character Subaru. In Tokyo Babylon, he is a kind, innocent, empathic boy; after he is betrayed, he seems to become a colder person but is still fundamentally kind, just very detached from the rest of the world. Although unlike Rand, Subaru has less responsibility and has only one reason left for staying alive.
Jake Motzkus
310. Mantra
Awesome job Brandon! Yea, I noticed some differences in voice, but they are subtle and not immersion-breaking. I now understand what Brandon meant by "writing in the style of WOT, not RJ."
Cynthia Ahmar
311. tenkuu
jamesedjones @ 276


"Now, hang on. I'm not sure it's appropriate to tell someone not to buy the books. IMHO if they post their opinion of a new chapter on another Tor.com page (especially one where everyone is terrified of the ebil spoilers), then they are fair game. But, while I love the "discussions" that go on here, I just don't feel comfortable with telling someone not to purchase the books (it's kinda Tor's thing). :)"

**Why not? If the criticism is harsh and negative, why should he buy the books and expose himself to the pain of reading them? He really should spare himself. /sarcasm
Cynthia Ahmar
312. tenkuu
almuric @ 280

"And, honestly, do I have to be able to play a guitar in order to be able to tell when it's being played badly or when it's playing a tune I don't particularly like? I can't critique a book because I'm not a published author? Really? I'd call whoever said that a rude name, but name-calling on the internet is a waste of electrons."

**Wow, for someone who claims to be so "thick-skinned", you sure jump to the wrong conclusions fast. I haven't seen any name-calling here, at least not where the actual discussion is concerned. Feeling a bit touchy perhaps? But nonetheless, yes, in order to judge someone's skill on the guitar, you do need to have some knowledge of the instrument. That is simple bloody common sense, and I can't believe you'd even need to ask. After all, what kind of judge are you if you aren't an informed one? To declare someone's work bad, you should have some kind of authority, otherwise simply state your opinion and walk away. After all, if it's so bad, don't read it. The rest of us, and there are many, will enjoy it all the more without the pointlessly negative criticism from those who knew they wouldn't enjoy it and yet still read it anyway, just so they'd get to whine about it.
Cynthia Ahmar
313. tenkuu
Amalisa @ 296

"I wrote a piece on another website after RJ's death that may explain a bit more what I'm feeling: He (Robert Jordan) painted word pictures as well as anyone I've ever read, and he painted them on an immense scale - a canvas broad enough to encompass his world. That detail driven style that drove some people nuts was, for me, exquisite brush strokes on a cherished masterpiece."

**Truly, I love you for saying that. I have always felt deeply passionate about Jordan's style. Sure sometimes a scene would feel a bit elongated, and it would be a bit hard to read more than 2 chapters in one sitting (especially the Egwene and Elayne chapters), but I have always felt that most elements of Jordan's writing were very eloquent yet without being too complicated.
johntheirishmongol
314. Senyon
The story is what counts. People, my co-fans, kin of RJ, and friends alike, who have enjoyed this series as much as any who started reading these great and wonderful books. Robert Jordan was telling a story one that conquered most of his life with joy.

He would want the story told in any fashion that would make it great because he knew that the story is what counts. We as fans will see differences in all of the characters and in the last two books for sure. But I say what do these differences matter? Why should a beautiful story like the one that we started reading so many years ago matter if someone else writes it differently?

Ask yourselves; is it the fact that RJ is dead? Or is it the fact that it isn't he who writes this book? I think that many of the fans who will read this book will forever see the differences. I myself can see them, but I will shut my eyes and smile knowing that the heart of these books, however different the story will sound, will always remain as Robert Jordan's.

He told a great story and still tells it even though his coffin is nailed tight, he will still speak his last words of his greatest story. I say forget its differences and he who tells us the story now. It's his story, Robert Jordan's. Do not look at the book, look at the story. That is what RJ would have wanted, well besides the fact that he wanted his fans to be happy. =D Brandon was once a fan, still a fan, and always will be.

I once wrote Brandon a message telling him much the same thing, for he seemed to me to be under a lot of stress. "It is the story that counts for whoever writes a book knows that it must be a good story a grand adventure and that the people who listen will always enjoy it."

After reading this one chapter I understand that Brandon Sanderson was and still is doing a wonderful and perfect job at telling this wondrous tale. I just ask for my friends and co-fans to put aside the difference in voice and close their eyes...and just


Or maybe I am wrong?

Love and with all respect,
Senyon
Ilya Rutman
315. whitesamurai313
@287- The game of Stones is actually the game GO in real life. 100% certain of that. Look GO up on wikipedia if you'd like.

Now then, on to more pressing matters:
Brandon Sanderson is not, in fact, Robert Jordan. I think we've established that. So why then should the story sound like it was written by the master? As I see it, BS is doing a fine job of it, and his writing is different than it was in Alcatraz or Warbreaker. I haven't read Elantris or Mistborn yet, (got them on hold at the library,) but I'm fairly confident that they sound different too. BS adapts his voice depending on the world. This isn't the same voice as the one in Warbreaker, but nor is it RJ's. It's a mix of the two. He's still growing as a writer. Give him time. By the time the last book comes around, he might be as good as, or, dare I say it, better than RJ.

As for the sword, I don't think it's Justice, mainly because of the dragon on the scabbard. Seems more likely to me that he saw the sword in the Portal Stone lives or that it's an angreal or sa'angreal.

Lastly, if someone wants to quit reading because the original author DIED and someone else took over, then proved to not write exactly as the first author did, that's their problem. They can just go on with their lives because they're obviously not one of the true WoT fans ;].

All in all, this only made me want to read the book more. October 27 can't come soon enough.
Ajay
316. Menon
4 women in the scene, not a single one sniffed. Or folded her arms beneath her bosom. yeah, its a different voice. heres hoping elayne stops taking baths every time she's mentined now.
John Massey
317. subwoofer
Thanks for your kind words Senyon. Well put. For myself, as I have said, when my other favorite author passed away, his existing books took on that much more importance. Albeit that there are well over 100 titles, they became precious. Thankfully I have a bad memory so I can go back and rediscover the characters and enjoy the books time and again. Whenever I re-read WoT I get immersed in the world and lose track of time and place. I am sure that once I get my hands on tGS it will be the same, regardless of author. Too much invested to back out now. I am married for life to this series.

@Tenkuu, gotta be careful, good way to kill a thread, jumping on everyone who says "boo". If only experts could offer their opinions, I'd be SOL unless we are talking about yield points or personnel management. Good or bad, I am who I am, I can only speak for myself but as I have said, take my opinion with a bag of salt. :)

'K- I am tugging my non-existent hair and sniffing 'cause no one else has.

Edit- sorry- no bosoms to fold my arms beneath.

Woof.
Lord Carfax
318. Carfax
The BS style is quite extraordinary is its own sense and i think he's going to make it as interesting as RJ. I just feel sad it may be a long time before i get to read the book just because i live in in Africa. After following it all this years..............
Tess Laird
319. thewindrose
subwoofer -
'K- I am tugging my non-existent hair and sniffing 'cause no one else has.

Edit- sorry- no bosoms to fold my arms beneath.


Don't forget the most powerful move - the glare.
John Massey
320. subwoofer
@319 thewindrose- gave it a go but my eyes kept watering. Clint Eastwood should give lessons. I'll stick to sniffing. My allergy meds suck anyway.

@318- chillax- We're here for you. If need be I can go on safari. A reverse quest for the lost book of gold...

Woof.
Jim Perry
321. indianajim
I don't see any change. If there is one, it's with less useless words. Someone mentioned "less sniffling." I think that's exactly right. I've always been a fan of this series, but never really developed a big emotional attachment to it. I have an attachment to characters, as any good story will create.

That said, I think everyone saying "it's not Robert Jordan" is simply letting their emotional attachment to RJ (which I dearly wish I could have met the man) override their reading. I think a lot of you are reading this going "Where is it different? Where is it different? Oh! Right there!" I think some of these "differences" are being created in your mind, because you WANT to find them. You want to be able to identify where Jordan ends and Sanderson begins.

Read the story. Let it take you away, because that is the point. And stop looking for differences. If it's good enough for Harriet, it's good enough for RJ. And that's good enough for me.
William Fettes
322. Wolfmage
indianajim @ 321

That's hardly an accurate generalisation for many here, especially those who are qualifying their comments heavily and offering praise as well. For myself, I didn't set out to spot differences. If anything, I came into this with a predisposition that it would be differently successful because I already accepted that BS was a worthy successor to RJ. As I've stated above, I loved the Mistborn series; its sophistication, scope, characterisation and physics-based magic system, to name a few vital elements, impressed upon me that he was a formidable writer with the capacity to rival RJ. I read widely, and Mistborn felt like it absorbed a lot of what RJ's excelled at in his writing, and so in a sense, the metaphorical torch was being passed to the next generation.

I still very much feel that, and I think that's exactly why Harriet selected him to finish WoT. To that end, Tears of Steel is a very decent start to ratifying the succession. There is plenty to like about it, and it certainly lays the seeds for much more to come. However, to say that there are no differences in things like the lexicon, the dialogue, stylistic choices, or the economy of prose is just kinda wrong. BS's style has its own merits, but it's not the same style, obviously.

It honestly sounds to me like you either aren't exactly as familiar with the original series as some here, or at least you're not as impressed with what RJ was an acknowledged master at. That's fine, but that's not the same thing as adducing evidence that they are equivalent, and that other people observing alleged discordances are just inventing things.

Some of us here have read the series and listened to the audiobooks dozens upon dozens of times. That fact makes it inevitable that some will pick up on nuances in the expression and the characterisation that perhaps you will miss. Please understand that this can happen without looking to nitpick. It works at an unconscious level when you are that close to the series.
Tess Laird
323. thewindrose
subwoofer - OK you have problems with glaring - easy enough to fix - go eye-patch ala Uno. Remember what it does to Nynaeve:)
Since everyone seems to be chiming in on the more drastic comments of like or dislike - here is my thought. This is an open forum, and every comment can generate thoughtful consideration. However, when you have a very strong opinion, please support your stance and obviously, attacking other commenter's doesn't help the discussion. Also - it is so great to see how many people are posting, it would be great to see you on the reread Leigh Butler is doing here on TOR's website.
S Diller
324. CuenDiller
huh...Kramers voice seems deeper then it used to be, and slower. It almost sounds like talking computer software.
yogesh
325. y2k156
Nice appetizer. Brandon is not the same as RJ, sigh! He does good job though. And i would any day prefer finishing the story to not finishing it. But i shall still say what if...after all RJ, with all his writing faults, still wrote the series that is one of my favorites.

Maybe because this is small chapter, the difference is really noticable. In long book, i can imagine we getting too much into story to care about structure.

The sword, i think, is Rand's own sword that he took from his father in book 1. He had lost in in the way and now would have got it back.
F Shelley
326. FSS
@Tenkuu - Question for you: Are you an expert on rendering opinions? Are you published and recognized as an international expert on the proper way to criticize other people's work?

If not, I'm sorry, but you're really not qualified to criticize our criticism of the Wheel of Time. Perhaps you should go to college, get a PhD in Literary Criticism or something, then come back in 10 years and maybe (...maybe...) your opinion of our opinions will mean something.
Adam Loops
327. Cecero
@325

Tam's sword that Rand received in TEOTW was burned to the hilt when he stabbed Ishmael at the end of TGH.
Kevin O'Donoghue
328. Kevstar
frankieblazer@318
I'm not sure where in Africa you live but if you're a fellow Saffer, you can order it online and it should arrive early November...
johntheirishmongol
329. AVox
Noooo!

The first paragraphs feel totally wrong since there's no POV established yet but still BS describes things which could only be felt or witnessed by a character. A paragraph like

Where was the White Tower, the law? Young fools laughed, saying that the city’s troubles were the fault of the siege, and that things would settle down once the rebels were quelled. Older men shook their gray-streaked heads and muttered that things had never been this bad, even when the savage Aiel had besieged Tar Valon some twenty years previously.

should never appear in a "wind" section (IMNSHO). I just hope that BS better matches the style with the POV in the rest of the book. I don't care very much about new words, but breaking the style/POV consistency I'm used to from RJ would really spoil it for me. Maybe it's just this "wind" section...

Otherwise, not bad. Not exactly RJ's style, but I can live with that.

About the sword: It can't be from Rand's memories in Rhuidan. In the AOL his ancestors would see shocklances, but not swords. And later his ancestors have any kind of weapon *except* swords. Right now the Justice theory seems most likely to me, but let's RAFO.
Cindy
330. AlCindy
The Wheel of Time series is like a favorite pair of jeans to me. Brandon Sanderson is just the new laundry detergent. After a few paragraphs it is still my same old comfy jeans.

*Happy Dance*
Ken Jack
331. nanaimobar
AVox@329

Really? Didn't feel right from the Wind section? How is this different from the Wind on KoD?

edit: If you re-read that first chapter, the wind carries the thoughts and feelings of Aes Sedai as well. It did go on longer before settling on a character POV, agreed. Setting the tone, here.
Rob Munnelly
332. RobMRobM
For those who think Chapter 1 is juvenile, go to the Thirteenth Depository WOT website and look at the article posted today by the two webmasters who analyze - and strongly applaud - Brandon's continuation in Chapter 1 of a host of subtle symbolic touches that have served as a complex and interesting superstructure for the entire WOT series. The essay makes clear that Chapter 1 is pretty darned sophisticated. Interesting stuff. Rob
eddy
333. pwnocchio
Just wanted to say great job to Mr. Sanderson. I'm terribly confused by the people saying it doesn't sound like RJ's style. I mean, that's a big "duh" statement if I've ever heard one before. You can't change that it's not going to sound like RJ, because a different person is writing them. Either get over it or don't read the new books.
Michael
334. budgemano
Well I read this the first night it was out, and at the time I loved it, especially the moment when Rand yells out loud at LTT. Kind of got a chill there. My first impression, mainly due to the long wind intro, was that this is definitely BS and not RJ, and to be honest once I thought that it became distracting. Once it got to Rand though it felt right, felt like WOT.

I just reread it now after lurking around a few different WOT boards and reading A LOT of complaints about the style and prose (plus some compliments on it to be fair). Idk, my second time through it didn't seem so jarring. Maybe some words here and there feel "off" but overall it is still WOT. I also think the wind scene in the beginning is going to be the hardest part for BS to get right anyways, as there isn't anyway for him to write that except to imitate RJ's style in some regards.

I'm going to take a cautiously optimistic wait and see approach before I start bashing BS's influence on WOT, but right now I am excited to dig into the prologue. Hopefully there are some cool going-ons in there (Egwene v Elaida... please)
angel rodriguez
335. sinnature
it seems to me that its forshadowing the flaw in the dark one's prison is that no saidar was used. without Balance in the one power, it left a thinness in the pattern and allowed for some of teh forsaken to still touch the world or be very near it.

i also got a chill with his outburst to lews therin. very polished piece.
Tommy
336. Faydor
That sword cannot be Hawkwings "Great Sword" Justice.
A Great Sword does not have a curved blade.
William Fettes
337. Wolfmage
RobMRobM @ 332

Thanks for notifying us of this. It's a very good post with some very shrewd and thoughtful commentary. I didn't agree with all of it, but I would say I accept about 90% of what they said and it's much more constructive than some of the pouting in this thread, from those who seem to take even minor criticism as a personal assault on Harriet or some nonsense.

I will say they did tend to focus more on the type of references being made, in terms of subject matter and themes, rather than the literary execution of those references - which I think is more where the criticism is coming from. Because the idea of a reference can show a sophisticated engagement with the series whilst being let down by the actual execution. For instance, the line "broken and corrupted. Separately." is not my favourite expression in the chapter despite the idea reflecting the situation correctly. But still, it's a very good discussion.

I loved and accepted what they said about POVs versus disembodied omniscient perspective during the wind sequence.

I now want to read what they say about the dialogue and characterisation in the next entry.
Don Stumpf
338. dstumpf
I loved the idea of some serious time being spent on Rand.

I don't know how so many people can complain about the 'voice' of this one chapter. It's well known RJ completed alot of the story and no telling what parts he completed or outlined. This very well could have been one he totally wrote.
Phillip hamilton
339. Phillbie
dstumpf @338

True we don't know for sure, but as everyones been saying, it just doesn't sound the same alround, is places it does, but the general feel is not RJ, it's well done, exellent even, but not the same.
Sally
340. salhf903
And with the first few words, I was back...
William Fettes
341. Wolfmage
dstumpf @ 338

"It's well known RJ completed alot of the story and no telling what parts he completed or outlined. This very well could have been one he totally wrote."

It's possible, but unlikely. BS has basically said enough to indicate he at least wrote the Wind section by himself, and I would bet this chapter contains little-to-no direct copy & paste from RJ. Going by what has been said about the succession materials, most of RJ's direct written stuff will be pivotal scenes - ie. the ending sequence, last battle and probably important stuff like Moiraine's rescue. Plus, this will be supplemented by copious notes on characters and plot ideas - written down, and recorded in voice tapes, and through the family's knowledge - which will be spread throughout. Some of that will probably be suitable for being adapted by BS directly into the text. But probably it would only be a background influence in an introductory chapter like this.

Besides, there is just a fair bit of language in here that RJ would never have written IMO. Doesn't mean it's bad, but it is different.

Apart from the occasional incorrect usage of the word 'infinitesimal', RJ had a beautiful languid prose. He was always very elongated in his style, deliberative and precise. His lexicon was also clearly identifiable - a kind of blended Southern sensibility with some quirky innovations. This prose isn't like that. It's quicker, choppier and more tersely modern.

The dragonmount TGS preview notes that it's not exactly hard to see BS distinctive voice in many parts of the book, though no doubt there will some parts where it is difficult to determine authorship.
Peter Hilton
342. pedroh1220
As far as voice and tone go, I think RJ is RJ and Sanderson is Sanderson. This definitely sounds like Sanderson had a hand in it; I doubt he would have kept any RJ perfectly intact, simply because the writing process could dictate revisions to make the material fit with the rest of what he had to write.

With that said, it passes as all right for me. Different, of course, in tone, but no better or worse than the others for that.
Tim Gough
343. Geckomayhem
You know, that sounded just like it would if Jordan had written it; despite what other people say regarding tone and choice of words. Sanderson seems to have done a masterful job, well worthy of the series, with a real feel for the characters. He brought the series back to life for me in this one chapter.

I can't wait to get this book. Gotta go back and read through the entire series again though. Too many details slip away every two or three years. Reading the series is like the Wheel of Time itself. You have to keep reading it again, from the start. >.
Cynthia Ahmar
344. tenkuu
Wolfmage @ 337


"Thanks for notifying us of this. It's a very good post with some very shrewd and thoughtful commentary. I didn't agree with all of it, but I would say I accept about 90% of what they said and it's much more constructive than some of the pouting in this thread, from those who seem to take even minor criticism as a personal assault on Harriet or some nonsense."

**Well, look who's being a big fat hypocrite.
Cynthia Ahmar
345. tenkuu
subwoofer @ 317


"@Tenkuu, gotta be careful, good way to kill a thread, jumping on everyone who says "boo". If only experts could offer their opinions, I'd be SOL unless we are talking about yield points or personnel management. Good or bad, I am who I am, I can only speak for myself but as I have said, take my opinion with a bag of salt. :)"

**It's as I've said before: constructive criticism is always welcome, but negative criticism that's there just to insult the writer is definitely not welcome. And I'm sorry, but calling people who do this stuff for a living "imaginary experts" is sheer arrogance and nothing else. Unless of course you happen to be doing the same job and are employed by a more popular publishing house. Otherwise, mum's the word.

Oh, and I have no problem "killing" the pointless negative criticism that's cropping up. :D Sanderson has expressed the same opinion as I have on his blog: if you want to whine so much, then why bother continuing to read the books? No one is interested in the whining except for other whiners, and I'm sure there are mailing lists specifically for the naysayers.
Cynthia Ahmar
346. tenkuu
FSS @ 326


"@Tenkuu - Question for you: Are you an expert on rendering opinions? Are you published and recognized as an international expert on the proper way to criticize other people's work?"

**Unlike at least one other commenter on this thread, I never pretended to be. :)

"If not, I'm sorry, but you're really not qualified to criticize our criticism of the Wheel of Time. Perhaps you should go to college, get a PhD in Literary Criticism or something, then come back in 10 years and maybe (...maybe...) your opinion of our opinions will mean something."

**And I'm not nearly as sorry, but you're really not qualified to be criticizing an author in his own right who Jordan himself has acknowledged as his successor, so to speak, to finish the series he started. Any criticism that isn't constructive is a bad thing, you shouldn't need me to tell you that. It is useless and pointless. If you're one of those who is so dissatisfied with this single chapter, no one is forcing you to finish this series, so why are you bothering to read the books? If you know you won't like it, spare yourself the pain, and spare the more enthusiastic readers your negativism.

It's enough for me that Sanderson shares my opinion of naysayers. Anything you can say in light of that bears absolutely no weight.
Andrea Bowers
347. Andreabowers
That was totally worth not doing my homework tonight. I wonder if I can re-read all the books again before the 27th. I'm taking a senior literature course next semester and I asked my instructor if we could sample from the WOT series. He had never read any of them. (gasp!) I gave him the first one last Friday. Tuesday he asked for the next two! I just love sharing this world, this story with people that have the capacity to appreciate it, and discuss it with me. Maybe I'll get to read in Randland next semester for credit. How cool would that be!! I loved the preview, as any reasonably sane fan would, but the discriptive aspects seemed out of order. like describing Cadsuanes dress before her hair (or vice versa)...Not anything that anyone but an addicted reader would really SEE. The images in my mind were as clear as ever, darker perhaps, but what can one expect at this point? It ain't gonna be no swim in the Waterwood, that's fer sure!
William Fettes
348. Wolfmage
tenkuu @ 344

"Well, look who's being a big fat hypocrite."

Well, I must have touched a nerve or something, because that wasn't even directed at you yet you decided to fire off an ad hominem attack.

Honestly, there are certain standards of conduct expected of people here at Tor.com, and through the WoT community that has developed around Leigh's rereads. We're generally a polite bunch and where argument ensues we play the ball not the man. You would do well to pay attention to that.

If you don't think I'm being constructive, you've deliberately shut your eyes to the many compliments I've offered for the chapter and my optimism for the series.

tenkuu @ 346

Way to back off from the logical fallacy you just commited.

"Unlike at least one other commenter on this thread, I never pretended to be. :)"

Nobody claimed to be a published author or some kind of special authority as the basis for their criticism. You simply declared some nonsensical test out of thin air that only published authors could criticise novelists, which FSS rightly noted begs the question: what are your credentials to criticise them as critics.

It's drivel. The only relevant test here is whether the views offered are genuine, reasonable, and thoughtful - also acknowledging the good if you have reservations. Aside from knowing WOT, being familiar and engaged with other literature in the genre also helps. If that's the case, then you're making a constructive contribution.

Also, don't try to speak for BS, FSS. BS is a humble and classy guy. He's the kind of person to take criticism and praise alike with the same effortless grace he shows in real life. Completely the opposite to the way you're behaving in this thread, with a big chip on your shoulder.
LT Tortora
349. Lucubratrix
I think part of the issue is that this is the beginning of Sanderson's first WOT book, and it takes time to get comfortable with the characters and story. I imagine that's true for any author, and it's more noticeable when an author is stepping in to finish a series that has been going on for quite some time (both in terms of time and page counts.

Not everyone has to like it--I do, but I certainly don't take it personally that the style rubs some people the wrong way. I hope everyone gives it a chance; I think the story is in capable hands. And in the meantime, no need to be quite so hypersensitive to opposing opinions.

Edit: ^Yes, I may be a hypocrite :)
Mike Chapdelaine
350. mikechap
The sword is Tam's heron marked sword, recovered and reforged from Falme. The dragon painted on the scabbard is new.
Carl Malheim
351. cmalheim
I hope the world understands when I remove myself from it for whatever span of hours it takes me to read cover, to cover, to cover, etc...until I finish these last books. I started in third grade and I'm in my 4th year of college now. I need some definitive answers.

Props to Brandon, big shoes to fill.
F Shelley
352. FSS
@Wolfmage
I don't think I've had a big chip on my shoulder. Oh, I blasted the post linking one RJ interview from almost 10 years ago (and already picked apart) as something relevant to the whole Asmodean debate today. I stand by my post. It was either an attempt to start a Asmodean thread here where things would go where they always go (nowhere), or it was posted by someone who who should really go and read the FAQ.

But that's it. I think I've been fairly...fair...other than that.

And the only thing I said about BS was he posted a long time ago on his blog that his would be a different voice, so I wasn't saying anything he didn't already know. I certainly didn't attempt to speak for him.
John Massey
353. subwoofer
@Tenkuu- nice dodge:)

"If not, I'm sorry, but you're really not qualified to criticize our criticism of the Wheel of Time. Perhaps you should go to college, get a PhD in Literary Criticism or something, then come back in 10 years and maybe (...maybe...) your opinion of our opinions will mean something."

**Unlike at least one other commenter on this thread, I never pretended to be. :)


Yes, but you are hiding behind BS and using him instead of saying "this is what I think"- by doing what you are doing you are saying,"if I am wrong, then BS is wrong, and that cannot be, so there." Somebody was just saying hey, apply your logic and your rules to yourself.

I am pretty unclear about it, but I am sure that it is down somewhere about freedom of speech, so other's may not be interesting enough, but they still have the right to say things. As do you. I was just suggesting to...um... take it down a notch with the personal attacks. We all have the same interest in common here so let us play nice. Question is who am I or who are you to say what is welcome or not? Let the Tor moderators make that call.

Mum?

Woof.
William Fettes
354. Wolfmage
FSS @ 352

Oh I'm sorry FSS, that's an embarrassing mistake. I was actually trying to back you up, but I made a typo. That was meant to be ffs - as in an exasperated 'For F... Sake". I was directing it at Tenkuu for his temerity in claiming he spoke for BS. That will teach me for losing my composure. Totally sorry for any confusion. Peace.
F Shelley
356. FSS
Oh, and I just saw the post by Tenkuu.

Well, again, by your own logic, Tenkuu, you're still not qualified to criticize me. I will grant you one qualification: you seem to be expert on feminine hygiene..you ARE a gigantic douche.
Troy Smith
357. troyjuliesmith
'The wind twisted around the magni?cent Tower, brushing perfectly ?tted stones and ?apping majestic banners.'

When I read this, I nearly stopped. Did not sound like RJ at all. The writing did not seem even that good. Once we saw Rand, however, I did manage to bring myself back to the WOT world. I think it is the best we can hope for, even though I do not think Mr. Sanderson is that great of a writer.
Birgit
358. birgit
I might have been a good idea to have this last book be told by Loial. That would have explained the change in narration style and be easier to accept.

Loial is already writing the book. Maybe the last ones are by a human because Loial is off to speak to the Ogier.

while he's at it to go grab Mat and bring him back too but where would have been the challenge in that?

Rand doesn't know that Mat went to Ebou Dar, he thinks that Mat is on his way to Caemlyn with Elayne and the SAS. He wants to keep the Ashaman and AS apart, not send an Ashaman into an AS camp.

In the AOL his ancestors would see shocklances, but not swords.

In the AOL swordfighting was a harmless sport, but when the Bore was opened they rediscovered how to use swords in war.

If Ny cannot Heal Rand's eyes, Tovere should make glasses for him.
F Shelley
360. FSS
@jamesedjones - oh come on - that was funny...
Brian Lane
361. brianlane723
"They refused to help us, you know. Refused! Said my plan was too reckless. That left me with only the Hundred Companions, no women to form a circle. Traitors! This is their fault."

Is it just me, or does "The Strike at Shayol Ghul" suddenly seem very important?
John Massey
362. subwoofer
@361- nope, was thinking the exact same thing... the bit about not trusting AS anymore, them not co-operating because every male went mad... the whole ball of wax... will have more to say later as I bather my thoughts...

Woof.
Gavin
363. heavytabbs
PHAW!!!! this book is going to kick ass... all you haters suck, Brandon Sanderson is a beast writer, just read his books and you'll see.

BTW... sucks to be rand... at least when aviendha gets there he's gonna get some ;)....kids lol.
James Jones
364. jamesedjones
348 Wolfmage

"If you don't think I'm being constructive, you've deliberately shut your eyes to the many compliments I've offered for the chapter and my optimism for the series."

It's a freshman (or newlywed :P) debate tactic to offer a few nice things before tearing into the argument.

For the benefit of the folks with limited time, heh, I'll summarize your posts.

Before the thirteenth depository post: "I love the wheel of time; I love Sanderson's other work; but this, meh. It's not up to par in several pages worth of me telling you why"

After the thirteenth depository post: "I love the wheel of time; I love Sanderson's other work; I think he's a swell guy; but, while it is a lot more intelligent than I was able to catch at first, I still think - meh."

Don't misunderstand. I don't disagree with you. You've made a lot of great points. I just think you should offer more positive stuff in your posts. They all seem very weighted toward the "nitpicky". ;)
Tess Laird
365. thewindrose
363 heavytabbs - to put it delicately - Rand has been going on with Min something fierce. (Mat and Perrin have seen them together with their vision bond.)
But, yes, it would seem that Rand will maybe get a chance with one of his other lady loves and maybe fulfill one on Min's viewings - Avi w/ 4 babes. Although he is in rather bad shape at the moment.
William Fettes
366. Wolfmage
jamesedjones @ 364

"It's a freshman (or newlywed :P) debate tactic to offer a few nice things before tearing into the argument."

I don't think that's fair. I've only been responding with greater detail about the nitpicky aspects precisely because of the efforts to trivialise the points I'm making. Go back through the thread, and you'll find lots of examples of people strawmaning the criticism - attributing irrational biases to critics - engaging only the easy knock-down points and ignoring the rest. And don't get me started on those who basically implied we were betraying Harriet and disrespecting RJ's memory. That's a little frustrating when you are anything but a hater-aid drinker and have loved the series for so long. You go to the trouble of explaining some minor reservations with a degree of exactness to go beyond 'the vibe', and then you're clubbed in the head.

There were also people from the other side, who I felt were way too harsh and were only offering insulting one-liners. I disagree with that approach too, and perhaps I should have said so. But I felt I could at least give voice to some elements brought up by the negative side in a way that wasn't superficial, hateful or reactionary.

"Before the thirteenth depository post: "I love the wheel of time; I love Sanderson's other work; but this, meh. It's not up to par in several pages worth of me telling you why"

I didn't ever call it 'meh'. From the beginning, I said it was a 'pretty good' and that I wasn't hung up on the difference in descriptive prose, that I only had 'minor quibbles' and that I still had 'faith'. I think you'll find my other posts continued in that vein, except where they got bogged down in details of quote-replies.

"After the thirteenth depository post: "I love the wheel of time; I love Sanderson's other work; I think he's a swell guy; but, while it is a lot more intelligent than I was able to catch at first, I still think - meh."

Again, that's not a fair interpretation of what I think at all. I think if you read what I wrote again about the 13th depository post, you'll find I said I agreed with 90% of the blog post, which was a resounding endorsement of how good a job BS was doing. That's the truth.

I really think you're letting my elaboration of the details, and my tendency to use qualifications and caveats, overwhelm my stated opinion. It may seem tilted towards the negative side, but I don't feel that way at all. I wouldn't have said what I said just to give the perception that I am impartial as a cover for plunging in the knife. I meant it.

For instance, BS's writing of Rand really works for me - and it has worked better with each read through.
Edward O'Mahony
367. The Luck of the dice
Brandon certainly got it spot on when he said Rand was going to a more insane place.
I must agree with the comments above Brandon does have a different writing style to what Jordan had but I feel that it does it justice.
Also I'm having to agree with some of the comments of how Rand speaks to you, its a different style again but i think again that Brandon has certainly got the depths of each character and knows them well.
To sum up i can't wait to read this and I'm going to be up all night reading the whole thing till the end.
Jennifer Fiddes
368. junefaramore
As to Mat not being as strongly t'aveern, me no think so. How else would he have ended up with Tuon, and all the other exciting things that have happened to him, if he were not at least as strong as Perrin?

@FSS:
I just thought calling it book report style was pretty harsh. To my mind, that brings an image of a 5th grader summarizing a book in three paragraphs or less. And badly, I might add. Sanderson CERTAINLY writes much better than that. If you like his style, how about calling it more modern, instead of comparing it to the style of school children. JMHO, however.

In general, I do think many who have written overly nitpicky or just plain harsh posts towards this chapter did come in wanting to hate it because RJ is dead and can't write it. For me, personally, even if I did not like Sanderson, even if I had never heard of him before he was chosen to complete WOT, I wouldn't have come into reading this chapter with that attitude. You are doing yourselves a disservice thinking this way. Sanderson has flowered his style up a bit for this, but it is going to be more concise. Which to me feels like a godsend, just because I would love to have WOT all lined up pretty on my shelf sometime in this lifetime, lol. It also may make it easier to actually understand how all these plots end. That is a good thing, to me.

All the discussion is interesting, if not entirely polite. This is how it goes on the net. I hold with those who think the sword is Justice. It is referred to as Hawking's great sword. I do not remember seeing great sword in capitals. To me, this more of a description of it being a sword made with the one power that Hawking used to do great things, not a description of the type of sword. I don't think the other theories make much sense. Especially the one that said it was the sword he made with the power to sever the cord in EOTW. Thanks to whoever dispelled that one, I was going to go for the book for the quote myself.

It also makes no sense that it is his original sword. Why the hell would it be reforged and then buried? Come on now, that's just ridiculous, even for RJ ;P.

peace
F Shelley
369. FSS
@junefaramore - after further review, I see where people think me calling it reading like book report is harsh are coming from. It wasn't my intent, and I had been thinking (and someone said it above) that it's more the different between common and high chant, at least according to Thom's definition in TEOTW, where common is like sitting across the table, relating facts and opinions, and high chant creates visual images for the listener. And again, I think that works for Brandon, and in truth, for the end of this series. I agree with BS that micicry of RJ wasn't the way to go. After reading this very small snippet of the work, it just sounded like a book...oh, let's call it...review, so it'll at least graduate to the college level. I certainly didn't mean it sounded like a 5th grader wrote it.
Marc Harris
370. dylanhh
I did not want to go through all 367 posts to see, but in the beginning of the posts many people noted that they had never read Brandon's books but they can see his "voice" in this chapter.

How can you tell it is Brandon's voice if you have never read his material.

I took it upon my self to get familiarized with Brandon's writing before the book came out and over the last month I have read all 3 Mistborn, Elantris and Warbreaker and I have enjoyed all of them.

Brandon is different in tone and writing style but this chapter looks to me like it goes together seamlessly. I am looking forward to all 3 books and I am sure that Bradon will do a great job with the finale of this epic story!!
Thomas James
371. skinnybattlecow
Wow. You folks have as many different opinions as Congress. I, for one, am just glad that somebody had the courage to step up to the bat and take on a project of this magnitude. Is BS going to narrate differently? Yeah, he probably will sound very different in places. Will the story be brought to the conclusion as RJ had imagined? Yeah, it will be. BS is writing from RJ's manuscript. At least that is what has been put out there. So I am going to read this, the whole this, and then I'll be critical, positive and/or negative. I think that maybe we should all give BS a great big thank you for attempting what most of us could only dream of attempting.
Marc Harris
372. dylanhh
skinnybattlecow - you said what I wanted to say much better!!! I agree!!!

Read BS's work. I think it helps you get in tune with his narration style!
Jennifer Fiddes
373. junefaramore
Got long on my previous post and totally forgot about this thought before I had to go. I think the prologue will more than likely go into the Hundred Companions and surrounding plot. It would make sense, as the books seem to me to build an eventual understanding between Aei Sedai and Ashaman, and now would be then time for them to ge over themselves and start working together in preparation for the last battle. I could be wrong, tho.
FSS, understood, though I still think you are making Sanderson's writing out to be drier than it really is, even with his "graduation". The man does description very well. He just doesn't lose himself, or the reader, with it. One of the main differences between he and Mr. Jordan, but one of the ones I am very appreciative of. Jordan's over description is what bogged the series down in the later books. I don't need quite as much as he provides to really get into the setting, especially when I have already "lived" in it for 5 books previous. It does not make his writing feel "silky" to me. It makes it feel overdone and boring. For me, personally, I would've stopped reading long ago if his characters weren't so good. Many are only expanded archetypes, but they all have personality. I also love the convoluted plot of the series, though I will be extremely happy when I do finally get to read the end. Which will happen now, thanks to his wife, Tor, and Mr. Sanderson. Jordan's descriptive prowess was never what did it for me, so I am probably in the minority here. Oh well. I just dislike seeing Sanderson's style panned, he is one of my favorite writers after finding him before Jordan had even died, and I don't think he deserves all the disrespect, though I am sure he expected it.

peace
steve cook
374. scook
" Is it just me, or does "The Strike at Shayol Ghul" suddenly seem very important? "

Only in the sense that everything discussed is wrong and wouldn't have worked. It's silly to suppose that the female attempt would have worked. If that was how RJ intended to fix the DO's prison, he wouldn't have put in the BWBoBA and ruin the ending of his story.

Rand will so something completely different to seal the DO's prison.
Ryan
375. theluckyredhand
Not RJ's style, but a damn good read. I like his hints towards the other forsaken scattered through this chapter. October 27th will complete me.
Christa Warden
376. grnidgrl
One thing regarding the sword being Hawkwings, and someone might have mentioned it but I didn't read all the postings, is that Hawkwing knew LTT in Falme. It stands to reason that they were both waiting together in TAR waiting to be spun out so LTT WOULD recognize Justice. Just a thought :)
A. P.
377. chewynewyork
Hay-zeus, I cannot wait for this book to come out. I agree with many that it doesn't precisely "feel" like Jordan's narrating voice, yet it still feels familiar. It also gives the impression that some time has passed by, and I think that is fitting, considering how long ago the last installment came out. Ok, gotta go put a reservation on this bad boy...Borders!!! Open up!!!!
Alex Kozlenkov
378. foxysport
Only finished it now. I am very happy with the writing and how the story progresses. There is almost a palpable sense of urgency, which is what the final book in the series was meant to evoke, and that is the key thread here, executed, as witnessed by this excerpt, really well. Yes, there are some words RJ would have never used but, it is the final countdown, and it feels right for it sound with a younger, and a slightly cockier voice.
william
379. Spacelord Spliff
This is going to be awesome!!! I cannot wait til it arrives and yet I have waited forever.. I wonder if Rand will get his hand back? I liked the read very well and will reserve my copy soon..
Tyler Clemons
380. MauricXe
I loved it! I can't wait for the release date! Brandon did a great job!
johntheirishmongol
381. Siuanfan
I think it's more likely that it was Hawkwing's sword because (as someone mentioned) that makes it an important tool for the Seanchan confrontation. Only thing that bugs me though is why Hawkwing's sword would have dragons...

Regarding the style and tone - I hear a lot of people getting upset at people 'nitpicking' or 'complaining' over the difference in tone, but I don't really think that's what they're doing. It is a noticeable difference - and rather startling at first, but I think indicating that you noticed it is not complaining, just... noticing. Even those that said it was clumsy may (MAY) have been referring to the fact that upon first encountering the difference, you have to stumble around a bit to get your bearings. I think it's well done, and after a few sentences, I was caught right up in the story and no longer noticed a thing. But it was impossible NOT to notice - I'm on Crossroads in my own re-read and catching up in Fires of Heaven in Leigh Butler's, so Jordan's right in my head. Bravo to Brandon, I am so so so SO sosososo looking forward to this book!
johntheirishmongol
382. HonorGod
Paragraph 12: "ner vous" instead of "nervous"
Paragraph ? : "carry ing" instead of "carrying"
Paragraph ? : "tor-?ture" instead of "torture"j
Tyler
383. eelfinn_ty
While the first "wind" part seemed a little unusual once Rand and everyone else showed up I was sucked back in.

I just finished the first Mistborn book last week. The 2nd part seemed more like a wot book than anything I've read in Mistborn.

If the rest of the book is written like the 2nd part of this chapter I'll be happy!
noorie butt
384. noorie287
well definately a different writing style.
dunno why it'll definately take a while to get used to.. but in my head i kept rephrasing the sentences the way they would've been written..
RAnd talking to himself is definatly differnt too...

but WOOHOO so excited that the story will be told at last!!!!! FINALLY!!!!! i've been waiting so long, i can ignore the writing style. but RJ is definately missed :(
John Massey
385. subwoofer
skinnybattlecow- I just wanted to say that. Makes me smile just thinking it. Good times :)

Sense of urgency- that is a good term. The Last Battle is coming- things are about to hit the fan and we have Rand talking to himself. He can Travel so... Get the lead out. Pick up Maesma, Mat, anybody else dithering around. Get a few Asha'man drop right in the middle of the Tower, settle things. Get a few more Asha'man- the 100 Companions all over again- and go seal the DO again. Fini.

I get the impression that even though this spans 3 books, BS is going to pick up the pace real quick like here. Yay!

Woof.
johntheirishmongol
386. LiquidIce
I'm interested to see people saying that this isn't an RJ chapter. It seems very much in the RJ style to me, excepting a few parts where the phrasing is a bit awkward or book-report-ish:

("The wind twisted around the magni?cent Tower")

or

("Rand did suspect that he had betrayed much about Rand’s plans and activities")

- for example. But on the whole I'd say that this is RJ's work (mostly). If Brandon wrote it, I'm happy- because that means he's very good at working in RJ's voice.

I've missed this story. To everyone who helped save it - thankyou.
Clayton Whitmore
387. PW
The sword Rand wears was Laman's sword. After his father's sword (the heron-mark blade made with the one power he wore through first two books), he stopped wearing one for a while. I may get the details wrong, but if I recall, in TSR, Rand bought Aviendha a gift to thank her for teaching him about Aiel customs. He went to the Maidens to ask what to give her. Each of her fellow Maidens kissed Rand on the cheek. Rand later learned that the Maidens thought he was expressing romantic interest in Aviendha, and the kissing ritual showed their approval of the match. When Rand tried to explain he was not romantically interested in her (at least, not consciously at that point), all he did was embarass Aviendha. Ji'e'Toh demanded that if she was not going to accept the gift as an indication of his feelings, she owed him a gift in return to make them equal. She gave him a sword, in a jewel-encrusted scabbard. Rand realized the sword was much more valuable than the gift he had given to Aviendha, but Aiel have no concept of the value of a sword. He thought the thing was gaudy, but correctly guessed the blade, although it had a differnet hilt, was another heron-mark blade made with the one power. He realized this was Laman's sword, taken from him when he was killed. Rand did not accept the scabbard, but he did accept the sword, partly because of its history, and partly because it reminded him of his father's sword.

That's the best I can do without looking it up.
johntheirishmongol
388. KingAemon
382 HonorGod

That just indicates that it was taken directly from the book, and not originally that number of words per line.

I may sound ignorant, as I decided to stop reading after an hour and barely breaking 100, but I think the sword was either from Rhuidean, or from Turak. I think the fog in his eyes is related to the merged conciousnesses of Rand and LTT.

I had more, but I've forgotten them! :-P
Joseph Blaidd
389. SteelBlaidd
After having read Dom's analysis of the way RJ used echos and reflections all through WoT I've become more aware of them on my own.
One that keeps coming up for me is how Rand's thoughts here:
“I said no!” Rand said. “You will question her, but you will not hurt her!” Not a woman. I will keep to this one shred of light inside me. I’ve caused the deaths and sorrows of too many women already.

echos Dain Bornhald in tSR ch 56
“Clean!” Bornhald roared at him. “If we must die here, we will die clean!” He wrenched his head back to Perrin, spittle on his lips. “We will remain. But at the last I will see you dead, Shadowspawn! For my family, for my father, I—will—see—you—dead!” Sawing his horse around roughly, he cantered back to his white-cloaked column. Byar bared his teeth in a wordless snarl at Perrin before following.
tayyab saeed
390. skyhawkafm
close but not close enough but still good enough
johntheirishmongol
391. Scotia
From reading the whole series again, finishing it and then reading 'Tears from Steel' straight after, I have to say, I did not skip a beat. I'm no scholar, just your average Joe who loves fantasy, and I felt like I'd just read an extra chapter from KoD, seamless. I guess, those who have studied writing, have terms such as 'voice' and 'prose', and maybe that's great for them to dissect every piece of writing they come into contact with. Me, I just think they're a bloody good read.
Thank God someone had the guts to take on this brilliant series.
johntheirishmongol
392. Dunderdan
Id just love it if someone officially would reveal that this chapter was in fact written by RJ, considering all the comments above, hehe. Nevertheless, I too think the characters and the narrator voice sound different. Its a new flavor. However, this is exactly what I expected. The story will be finished, presented to us through a new narrator lens. And we should all be very grateful we DO get to hear the end. Thanks BS :-)
Sean Banawnie
393. Seanie
I'm thrilled to get the story finished. Sure we all truly wish RJ were here to finish it. But BS seems like a very privileged fan that will do his best to finish it the way RJ would have wanted it . I'm OK with that. Beyond that , I want BS to write honestly , not to imitate RJ but rather make WOT sound like WOT . Not easy ......we'll have to "RAFO"

Peace favor your sword (or keyboard as the case may be) .
johntheirishmongol
394. esquire3273
Loved loved loved it!

Just wanted to note for you all that one of the posts had a question about saving this to read later and wondered if it was okay.

Think about it this way:

You have a book and find a passage you want to refer to later, so you put in a bookmark. If you want to save a specific quote for future reference, you can photocopy that page.

At this point you have not yet engaged in "use" of this material. You have not cited, quoted, reprinted, summarized, attributed, or distributed this material in any way.

I would say copy and paste but ONLY for yourself. Treat it like clipping an article from the newspaper and saving it for later. After all, Google keeps a cached copy of the page. Why can't you?
Jordan
395. Kyrenius
Dang; I thought that this would be an uber-long chapter because of the lengthiness of the sidebar. But only the top like, eighth is the chapter. Oh well.
Rand's losing it; like we all knew he would sooner or later.
I can't WAIT for the book to come out!!
SEB
396. AngryAngryThorn
Eeek, Im all impatient for the new book now (bet you anything it comes out righht before important deadlines just to spite me)
I could tell it wasnt RJ, especially in the wind bit (though I actually liked the approach to the wind, with it actually doing something worth commenting on nice) but after a couple of chapters your eye stops tripping over itself and gets to the story.

Dang; I thought that this would be an uber-long chapter because of the lengthiness of the sidebar. But only the top like, eighth is the chapter. Oh well.

Ditto, Kyrenius. It was sadness to discover :(

Loved it. Also, weirdly, found myself actually giving a damn about Rand again. Maybe its RJs doing, what with blasting off Rands hand, or Mr S's style of writing, but rather than an ass, Rand is someone you can sympathise with again, albeit an ass you can sympathise with. Yay!
sheldon legendre
397. legendre
This was a great reintroduction to TWOT, Brandon's writing style is different from RJ's but that's to be expected. He's a new voice but the story is the same and that's what really matters here. I myself was worried at first because I didn't feel like anyone could copy RJ's style perfectly, fortunately he's not trying to do that. this is a blend of both people and for me at least it works out quite nicely. You can tell right away that this is not RJ writing this book, but as you keep reading the story pulls you in and that's all that really matters isn't it?
Kyle Garfield
398. kylegarfield
@33. Mixam

So I was intrigued by your criticism of two word choices: workaday and magnificent, and it seems that RJ used both of those words. Workaday, a bit more than halfway through the first chaper of CoT. and Magnificent is in the name of Luca's show, but Tylin also uses it when she bids farewell to Mat in ACoS.

I hope that none of us finds out which parts Brandon wrote and which ones RJ wrote so that those know really know can scoff at those who can discern with their oh-so-keen powers of perception and literary prowess which parts they are sure Brandon butchered- I mean- wrote himself.

At least those who look down their noses at the writing try to sound forgiving: Oh, Brandon's done his best. He wrote like he cared about it. Perhaps Brandon is simply the target of old bitterness. My advice: when you get the book, pop some popcorn and just enjoy the next installment. Make sure to go with kettle or light butter, lest you leave evidence on the pages.
Bill
400. Cwolf21
tenquu @309 - the main point of that post was not to criticize anyone, not even our beloved characters. It was mainly to suggest to those whining about characters having a different voice, that they could attribute it to our young heroes changing rather than to the author changing.

"All the things you have pointed out are what make me believe that among all of the ta'veren, Mat is the least powerful. He hasn't been saddled with as much as Perrin has, just as Perrin can't be said to have been saddled with as much as Rand has. Mat is fun, but because of this attitude, he's my least favorite of the three boys. He's just a little too carefree for my tastes. My favorite has always been Rand."

I think Matt is just as strong a ta'veren as Perrin, if not stronger. Matt just seems to affect events more than people. Perrin seems to have more effect in the decisions people make, they follow his lead. I am not sure I would say that Perrin has been saddled with any less than Perrin either, although as you say, Rand has certainly been saddled with the most.

Matt may be carefree at heart, but he has been entrusted with great responsibilities, including taking responsibility for an orphan, protecting women who don't want to be helped, leading battles, marrying Tuon just because she is the daughter of the nine moons, helping Aes Sedai escape from the Seanchan, etc. He can also be trusted to keep his promises. Now he is going to go help rescue Moraine, without whom Rand would fail.

Matt may be a reluctant hero, but when push comes to shove, he always does what needs to be done. Perrin, on the other hand has spent the past three books whining about Faile and not really caring about anything other than her rescue. He would sacrifice more for Faile than she would approve of. I still like Perrin though and sympathize with his plight.

I have always like Rand; he is the main hero. However, the harder and angrier he has gotten, the less I have enjoyed reading his thread. And for someone who insists he must be as strong as steel, he is way too soft when it comes to women. He still thinks Moraine is dead because he could not fight / kill Lanfear. How many more women is he willing to put at risk rather than dispense justice to a female forsaken who has tortured and killed thousands? For safety sake, as many have suggested, the least Rand could do is have her stilled or put a Seanchan leash on her. I am sorry but I cannot respect that.

I love sps49's suggestion @44.
sammy
401. amalasan80
i dont wanna blast sanderson (you can't expect him to write like RJ..but it just doesnt feel right. the sentences feel too short and too much is being explained...i don't know how to explain it...the dialogue is wrong.

such a pity that RJ couldnt finish the series.
sammy
402. amalasan80
i also wanna add im kinda disappointed by how rands character has evolved..and i dont meen that he is becoming harder and angrier (which is understandable)...but I dont feel he does as much as he could. this thing with him not wanting to hurt women doesnt feel believable anymore..specially not allowing semirhage to be questioned thouroughly. they can't even threaten her? i don't think RJ would have ever written something like that.

too much of cadsuane says this or that while rand is just sitting and waiting.
sammy
403. amalasan80
regarding rand's eye problems. it's not saa via the moridin link. rand hurt his eyes when semirhage fireballed him.
trevor sherman
404. bobobarbarian
i couldn't figure out the sword ether but my son had it it in about 15 seconds he says its High Lord Turok's from the great hunt he says the lacquered hilt gave it a way
Cynthia Ahmar
405. tenkuu
Wolfmage @ 348


"Well, I must have touched a nerve or something, because that wasn't even directed at you yet you decided to fire off an ad hominem attack."

**I allowed myself the one considering your own general rudeness.

"Honestly, there are certain standards of conduct expected of people here at Tor.com, and through the WoT community that has developed around Leigh's rereads. We're generally a polite bunch and where argument ensues we play the ball not the man. You would do well to pay attention to that."

**I honestly don't think you would know politeness if it came up to you and smacked you in the face, dear.

"If you don't think I'm being constructive, you've deliberately shut your eyes to the many compliments I've offered for the chapter and my optimism for the series."

**I never did refer specifically to your comments, you'll recall. I referred to your take on others' comments.

"Nobody claimed to be a published author or some kind of special authority as the basis for their criticism. You simply declared some nonsensical test out of thin air that only published authors could criticise novelists, which FSS rightly noted begs the question: what are your credentials to criticise them as critics."

**No one would have dared. But someone did pretend that their unprofessional opinion was somehow more important than a publishing house's. Test? Are you out of your mind? There was no test. But yes, it is true that without being a published author yourself, you can't judge someone else's work as being bad when you have no experience yourself to speak of.

"It's drivel. The only relevant test here is whether the views offered are genuine, reasonable, and thoughtful - also acknowledging the good if you have reservations. Aside from knowing WOT, being familiar and engaged with other literature in the genre also helps. If that's the case, then you're making a constructive contribution."

**If you are making negative comments, it is not constructive criticism, and that is the only kind of helpful criticism.

"Also, don't try to speak for BS, FSS. BS is a humble and classy guy. He's the kind of person to take criticism and praise alike with the same effortless grace he shows in real life. Completely the opposite to the way you're behaving in this thread, with a big chip on your shoulder."

**You wouldn't know the first thing about being classy, honey, so I'd be quiet about that if I were you. I am not trying to speak for anyone, but I'm glad to see you show your delusion by assuming it. I went to his blog, and within the first few sentences, I saw my thoughts summed up exactly. There's nothing to brag about. I am genuinely happy that he shares my thoughts, there is no pride to it. And quite frankly, no need for it. I am just happy that he feels satisfied enough with his own work to ignore harsh critics. You can pretend all you like, but you know very well that from the very beginning, those are the kind I was referring to.
Cynthia Ahmar
406. tenkuu
subwoofer @ 353


"Yes, but you are hiding behind BS and using him instead of saying "this is what I think"- by doing what you are doing you are saying,"if I am wrong, then BS is wrong, and that cannot be, so there." Somebody was just saying hey, apply your logic and your rules to yourself."

**If that were even remotely true, that would have been my first comment, not my last. I very clearly said, and have been saying from the beginning, what I think. That Sanderson agrees with me only makes me happy, for both myself and him, that he won't take harsh criticism lying down. This is why knowing that he agrees with me is all I need. And no, actually, no one was saying that until a few comments below you, and as I've outlined, it doesn't apply.

"I am pretty unclear about it, but I am sure that it is down somewhere about freedom of speech, so other's may not be interesting enough, but they still have the right to say things. As do you. I was just suggesting to...um... take it down a notch with the personal attacks. We all have the same interest in common here so let us play nice. Question is who am I or who are you to say what is welcome or not? Let the Tor moderators make that call."

**Yes, you have freedom of speech. That doesn't mean you should use it and toss wisdom to the wind. Tearing into someone who is finishing Jordan's work for him, and over a single chapter no less, is neither wise nor productive. And I do mean 'tearing into', as in the kind of brutally negative comments that I've seen here.
Cynthia Ahmar
407. tenkuu
Wolfmage @ 354


"Oh I'm sorry FSS, that's an embarrassing mistake. I was actually trying to back you up, but I made a typo. That was meant to be ffs - as in an exasperated 'For F... Sake". I was directing it at Tenkuu for his temerity in claiming he spoke for BS. That will teach me for losing my composure. Totally sorry for any confusion. Peace."

**Well, so much for your claim to politeness... Not that it wasn't out the window long ago...
Cynthia Ahmar
408. tenkuu
FSS @ 356

"Well, again, by your own logic, Tenkuu, you're still not qualified to criticize me. I will grant you one qualification: you seem to be expert on feminine hygiene..you ARE a gigantic douche."

**You'll forgive me (and I won't care if you don't) for completely disregarding the opinion of someone who not only uses caps, but also uses lame analogies.
Cynthia Ahmar
409. tenkuu
Wolfmage @ 366

"There were also people from the other side, who I felt were way too harsh and were only offering insulting one-liners. I disagree with that approach too, and perhaps I should have said so. But I felt I could at least give voice to some elements brought up by the negative side in a way that wasn't superficial, hateful or reactionary.

I really think you're letting my elaboration of the details, and my tendency to use qualifications and caveats, overwhelm my stated opinion. It may seem tilted towards the negative side, but I don't feel that way at all. I wouldn't have said what I said just to give the perception that I am impartial as a cover for plunging in the knife. I meant it."

**Even though this particular post doesn't concern me, you should know that the negative tends to stick out like a sore thumb so that if you make even a single positive comment, it becomes hardly noticeable in the midst of all the negativism.
Cynthia Ahmar
410. tenkuu
Siuanfan @ 381

"Regarding the style and tone - I hear a lot of people getting upset at people 'nitpicking' or 'complaining' over the difference in tone, but I don't really think that's what they're doing. It is a noticeable difference - and rather startling at first, but I think indicating that you noticed it is not complaining, just... noticing. Even those that said it was clumsy may (MAY) have been referring to the fact that upon first encountering the difference, you have to stumble around a bit to get your bearings. I think it's well done, and after a few sentences, I was caught right up in the story and no longer noticed a thing."

**To be honest, to me nitpicking is not so much about what you notice, but how you notice it. There's a proper way to be critical of anything that someone does, and there's the "you suck" way. The people I've pointed out are mostly in the "you suck" camp, though perhaps not to that particular extreme. I was the same as you: I got caught up in the reading without looking for the differences. I noticed a few, but it was unimportant as long as it didn't deter from my enjoyment of this chapter.
Cynthia Ahmar
411. tenkuu
subwoofer @ 385

"Get a few more Asha'man- the 100 Companions all over again- and go seal the DO again. Fini."

**You know, repeating past mistakes without learning from them would not be a very wise thing to do. Lews Therin will probably have something to say about it, in fact.
Mary D. Conners
412. connersmary
I say hallelujah (however that's spelled): one gets the sense the plot is going to move forward and something is going to happen. BS's clean, simple style in this chapter is a total relief and god bless him for it. I will definitely buy the book, though why oh why is that dreadful cover artist being used again?? Doesn't a new author, and a book series which turned into a phenomenon, despite its many flaws, deserve better? The lack of perspective in the drafting, not to mention the lack of creativity, style, design, etc., is just ludicrous -- is he someone's family member? Truly embarrassing work by any standard, hard to imagine why Tor is using him. But, go Brian! Great start!
Cynthia Ahmar
413. tenkuu
Cwolf21 @ 400

"I think Matt is just as strong a ta'veren as Perrin, if not stronger. Matt just seems to affect events more than people. Perrin seems to have more effect in the decisions people make, they follow his lead. I am not sure I would say that Perrin has been saddled with any less than Perrin either, although as you say, Rand has certainly been saddled with the most."

**Well, you listed them yourself, and Mat was the one with the least responsibilities according to that list. I don't really count luck (or lack thereof, depending) as a strong ta'veren effect, and that seems to be most of Mat's characterization as a ta'veren.

"Matt may be carefree at heart, but he has been entrusted with great responsibilities, including taking responsibility for an orphan, protecting women who don't want to be helped, leading battles, marrying Tuon just because she is the daughter of the nine moons, helping Aes Sedai escape from the Seanchan, etc. He can also be trusted to keep his promises. Now he is going to go help rescue Moraine, without whom Rand would fail."

**Sure he has, but Perrin has more to deal with, on the whole. I'm not saying I dislike Mat, actually. I just don't like him as much as the other two.

"Matt may be a reluctant hero, but when push comes to shove, he always does what needs to be done. Perrin, on the other hand has spent the past three books whining about Faile and not really caring about anything other than her rescue. He would sacrifice more for Faile than she would approve of. I still like Perrin though and sympathize with his plight."

**Perrin has still accomplished more, in the long run.

"I have always like Rand; he is the main hero. However, the harder and angrier he has gotten, the less I have enjoyed reading his thread. And for someone who insists he must be as strong as steel, he is way too soft when it comes to women. He still thinks Moraine is dead because he could not fight / kill Lanfear. How many more women is he willing to put at risk rather than dispense justice to a female forsaken who has tortured and killed thousands? For safety sake, as many have suggested, the least Rand could do is have her stilled or put a Seanchan leash on her. I am sorry but I cannot respect that."

**Rand reminds me a little of Richard from the Sword of Truth series, in that regard. Not to the same extent as Richard, but he can forgive (or at least disregard) things done to him sooner than he can forgive things done to harm others. I can't really decide which was the worst though: Richard's Mord-Sith torture or Rand's Aes Sedai one. At any rate, both seem to share the mindset of "Don't do unto others what you wouldn't wish done unto you". But like I mentioned previously, Rand reminds me much of Subaru from CLAMP's Tokyo Babylon manga, and Subaru is a much loved character for me. There are huge differences, of course, but both are people who were forced to change through extremely painful circumstances, yet they were kind in a way that few people understood, with a certain innocence and purity to them. I see them both as inherently unique people.
Karli Millar
414. karlimillar
Yay! It does read differently, I have to admit. I miss RJ's writing style... it's what got me into the books in the first place. But it looks like BS has done a pretty good job considering he isn't RJ (poor guy can't help it). It's the same world, but with a slightly different narrator. If I can't have RJ, then this guy will be a fine replacement :)
Soooo excited for the book, I have been waiting for this since the day after the last book was released, when I finished it and got the old familiar hunger for another one :)
Zach Portsmouth
415. brochill86
Cant Wait.

I've read all of BS's books (as well as RJs) and I can see a blending of styles. Its very good!

I'll be in the bookstore the day this is released to get my copy.

Thank you for posting this chapter.
Peter Galvin
416. pjag91
I think that the new voice sounds great. To be honest, I was never exactly in love with Robert Jordan's voice. He was a decent writer, but had a bad tendency to let plots wander, or simply fall away. Sometimes for consecutive books. (Wasn't there an entire book where Mat's plot line didn't even get a part of a chapter?) I've read books 4-10 (a couple more than once) and I'm still waiting for another Rhuidian scene. Honestly, if that hadn't been in Bk 4, I never would have read Bk 5. Then I kept reading, hoping that the unthinkably long books that followed would contain something on a similar level. But there hasn't been a comparable climax since.

So here's hoping that a fresh author will bring some spectacularity back to WoT.
Caleb Wheat
417. wheat.caleb
Excellent first chapter, I am already once again enthralled by this awesome story. I will hopefully be able to find time for a KoD re-read before it comes out.
johntheirishmongol
418. Slashionista
I have this terrible feeling that my post has been misunderstood. Meh, it is the internet.

Just some clarifications for my own peace of mind.

I did not say that Cadsuane a) knit or b) should have used knitting or embroidery as her metaphor. I was just being a tad nit picky (and intended lightly) that when it was mentioned that she sews that it would be more accurate to say that she embroiders. They are different actions.

I did not mean to say that there are no artists in the Westlands. I realize that there are many people who create a variety of art in the series. I was mentioning that it seemed awkward to use a word that did not seem to be a common concept in the written world. I have not used the WOT word finder to check on that so it is possible that the word has been used. Not as often as sniffed to be sure.

The descriptions being different is something I would expect. The characters speaking out of personality (in my mind apparently) is a bit more difficult but I suppose it is something that will happen. A mixed metaphor is just awkward.

In general I am going to buy and read all three books to finish the series. The first book is written and printed so the awkwardness will be there. Knowing that I am not the only one noticing helps me deal with it in a way.

Knowing that some people are just blind little Mary Sunshines just reminds me why Twilight made any money at all.

@346Tenkuu

At the risk of pulling your eye towards me I just was wondering:

"It's enough for me that Sanderson shares my opinion of naysayers. Anything you can say in light of that bears absolutely no weight."


If the above quote is true they why are you typing anything at all? Apparently the shared opinion is not enough and what people say carries a tiny weight or you would not be so interested in posting replies.

Also, just to pick a nit about syntax, drop the honey and the dear. It is a bit too drunk fag to be taken seriously.
Noneo Yourbusiness
419. Longtimefan
That is so weird. I thought I was logged in as Longtimefan.
I do not know where the Slashonista name came from.
Thewise
420. Thewise
....
:(
I think i'm going to cry.

He totally got Rands Character wrong.... The Rand he's portraying is an earlier Rand. The Rand now would force himself not to care about the forsaken even if she was a woman. It's the who point to scorching his soul away. He was too late to save Morrain (or however you spell her name) He wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Nor would he ever loose his cool with Lewis Therrin. He's been listening and ignoring the voice for a while now. He's got the talking aspect under control, it's the whole Lewis grabbing at Saidin that scares Rand.

*sigh* this guy's a good Author. I've read and enjoyed all of his books, but... *sob* he's just not R.J.

I suppose it was stupid of me to hope for another R.J. even when he said he wasn't going for his style, but still this is basic character stuff. It feels like i'm reading a fanfiction.

Ah well, i'm going to probably buy the book anyway and, kicking and screaming, read the enter book. And wine my way through the other two as well.

*looks to the heaves*

You are deeply missed Robert Jordan. May you find water and peace (and a way to possess Brandon) *cough*

I mean...

well. At least we'll all know what happens at the end.
earl dennis
421. earldennis75
Thank you very much for putting this chapter out. I am going through my 10th (maybe more) reread of the series in preperation. I really appreciate Brandon for taking over this series so we as fans can actually see the end of a great masterpiece. Great writing Brandon. Keep it up.

Thank you again!!!
Jonathan Eisfeld
422. jeisfeld
I think I know what the Sword is....I read on a blog about someone who has read the prologue already. They said that there is 1 small thing that you read in Chapter 1 that you won't understand unless you read the prologue. Well, that was small, and the only thing we shouldn't understand if we have read all the books!
Alice Arneson
423. Wetlandernw
Wolfmage @322 -- Dude! We agree on something for once! *wink wink*
... Tears of Steel is a very decent start to ratifying the succession. There is plenty to like about it, and it certainly lays the seeds for much more to come. However, to say that there are no differences in things like the lexicon, the dialogue, stylistic choices, or the economy of prose is just kinda wrong. BS's style has its own merits, but it's not the same style, obviously.

I think for those of us who have the books half-memorized, and who tend to notice details a lot, the difference in writing style is more noticable. I just finished the Mistborn series, and could easily see that this was the same author. I don't think I could even analyse why I found it obvious, but it was. (Okay, now someone can say "because you already knew it." Yeah, but not.) I think he's a fine author and will do a good job (better than anyone else I can think of, barring RJ himself, of course) of finishing the series. As I said before, I have nothing but respect for a man who is willing to subsume his own ego for the sake of doing a huge job in such a way as to honor the original author more than himself. I fully expect to enjoy it very much.

Speaking for myself, after the mental adjustment for "voicing" it felt good, except for one thing, which I suspect I'll keep running into for the next three books. As readers, we all have our own reactions to the different characters, and we interpret their actions and motivations according to how we see them. The major drawback to having Mr. Sanderson finishing the series is that his take on some of the characters is different than mine, though both are based on what was written by Mr. Jordan. From here on out, though, their POVs and, to some extent, their words and actions, will be based on how Mr. Sanderson reacted to what Mr. Jordan wrote. Maybe it's a little like having one of your favorite books made into a movie: sometimes you think they really nailed a character/actor match, and sometimes you think they got it totally wrong. Not that I'm saying I think he "got it totally wrong" on anything I've read so far, but there was something in one of the Nynaeve paragraphs that hit me cock-eyed, and made me realize that he doesn't see her quite the same way I do. Presumably I'll adjust to those things as well as the voicing, but I'll have to RAFO.

In any case, we know that Mr. Sanderson has an incredible volume of info to work from, and he has no intention of straying from the plan set out by Mr. Jordan. (After reading Mistborn, I was glad to know that Mr. Jordan had already specified what was to happen to each character - now if/when someone dies, I'll know it was in the original plan and won't blame it on Mr. Sanderson... :P)

Lucubratrix @ 349 -- Someone is wrong on the internet. HOOOOOT!! Thanks for the laugh - this thread's gotten way too serious! Also thanks to subwoofer & thewindrose for lightening it up. Here's to you! *raises glass of port in your direction* (And HAH! - because I'm toasting you, you don't get to drink and I do! Neener neener.)

Cwolf21 @ 400 - You used affect and effect in consecutive sentences, and you used them right! You just made my day. ;) Here's to you, too!

Ah, what the heck. Here's to all of you! I need to finish the glass.

(Oh, btw, tenkuu, lighten up or drop it already. I've started skipping your posts, and for a compulsive read-every-word geek, that's pretty bad. Calm down. Go have a glass of port or something.)
James Jones
424. jamesedjones
423 Wetlandernw

"Also thanks to subwoofer & thewindrose for lightening it up. Here's to you! *raises glass of port in your direction* (And HAH! - because I'm toasting you, you don't get to drink and I do! Neener neener.)"

Umm... This is Subwoofer you're talking about. I can't believe we would ever catch him unprepared for that. No doubt he had a few sips while reading your post. :)
Ochuko Anigboro
425. Ochukoalthor
Yeah that was totally the best sneak peak ever. Yet I am going to go crazy before this book comes out. God help me!!!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!! October 27 already!!!
Owen Costello
426. owencostello
That was great!! Though most people were positive, I cant understand why some people were negative! Everyones entitled to their opinion I guess. I dont think some are taking a completely open approach to this book, which I can understand, but come on!!!!
Sean Banawnie
427. Seanie
@424jej: are you saying he beat her to the (plum)"punch"? *snickers*
Tess Laird
428. thewindrose
One rule I live by, is you have to be able to laugh at yourself, and if you can - spread the humor around.
I had a 8 year-old slumber party going on last night, could have used the port:)
Thick-chested workers toiled beneath the eyes of an Aes Sedai wearing a red-fringed shawl; she used the One Power to remove wards and weaken the stone, while the workmen broke the rock apart and hauled it away.
Elaida must be having a conniption fit on how none of the Sisters but Red will do anything she commands. The Tower now so ripe for picking by Egwene. From KoD, Tarna was to arrange for Egwene to attend Elaida in a setting with Meidani(one of the SAS ferrets).
I wonder how Egwene is going to confront Elaida. Will they purposely forget to give Egwene her forkroot? Will there be a power confrontataion between Elaida and Egwene. I am looking forward to see how this is worked out.
*Edit for spelling.
William Fettes
429. Wolfmage
Another post is up analysing Tears of Steel at the 13th Repository, and it's even better than the first one IMO. This one takes a look at the characterisations and other details.

There's lots of good lengthy discussion of all characters and new plot points, and it's overwhelmingly positive. No detail is too small to get past these gurus, and there are some really clever observations about all the little recalls BS does to the previous plot threads and themes. Also, they get bonus points from me for not hamfisting the LTT construct theory into the discussion - which is kinda my sole pet hate about Leigh's reread right now. I was impressed.

But I will say it isn't hagiography either. The positive is discussed alongside observations about some of the minor departures in characterisation or style. Naturally, I felt a little vindicated that at least one of them shared the feeling that Cadsuane's dialogue didn't exactly feel right, and they were even more pedantic, (yes that's possible), in picking up on her striding vs gliding, which I didn't even notice. Great stuff.

Overall, I'd say there's something for everyone - whether you've already eased right into BS's prose, or whether you have some reservations and want to accentuate the positive.
johntheirishmongol
430. gamerdude06
umm...after reading the chapter and all the comments was gonna comment on some stuff but cant remember what stuff

so...kind wish i hadnt read the chapter though, now i what to reread all the books again

and my sympathies to Brandon Sanderson for having "bull 'crap'" initials,lol
christopher james
431. chris3663
i didnt think this was RJ from the beggining but i did enjoy and i cant wait.i have been studing all the other books like the BIBLE.R.I.P. RJ LOVE YOU MAN
Philbert de Zwart
432. philbert
Alright, apart from who's voice this is and who is entitled to criticize whom, how about an actual theory about the story?

So, one of the notable things in this chapter is Rand being vicious about Egwene, because she has become 'Aes Sedai to the core'. Well, I don't buy it. Here is why:
Just before this he thinks in positive terms about Cadsuane. Now, if there is one woman that embodies everything Aes Sedai stands for, it is Cadsuane: arrogant, secretive, hidden agenda, overbearing, the works. Yet he trusts her and concedes that she is a pain but very useful.
And then: he discusses Nyneave, saying how with all her changes, her core being stayed the same as when she was in the Two Rivers: taking care of her people. He almost sounds tender about her.

Now, Egwene is also from the Two Rivers, so I don't buy that Rand believes that she has changed so much from her original stance towards him (betrothed!) that she would turn loose a Forsaken and gentle him.

So here is the theory: he says that out loud to provoke Lews Therin Telamon to speak. And it totally works! He does speak and talks briefly about a subject Rand totally wants to know about. Too bad he stops doing so again so quickly, but I do think that that is the reason he said those horrible things.

What do you think?
William Fettes
433. Wolfmage
philbert @ 432

Maybe. But it's a little too much a 'meta' strategy for me personally. Besides, LTT already reacts to Rand's thoughts pretty seamlessly. So I don't really see the need for a vocal contrivance like this to provoke him. Also, how can he conceal his intention from LTT anyway?

Rand's reaction to Egwene is harsh and uncharitable, but it's not out of nowhere given the right context. Part of it is an extension of the natural deterioration between both characters that has been growing for some time. There's little doubt, after all, that Rand has progressed through stages of realisation about Egwene, from his early observations about her embrace of an Aes Sedai identity and secrets, to a kind of embittered resignation that Egwene is no longer part of his core inner circle of trust.

Moreover, I don't think he's being entirely literal here. The context of the discussion makes clear that he is providing a pithy retort to reject outright the relevance of White Tower justice to their dilemma. His references to her gentling him and freeing Semirhage are worrying. But they are shocking and improbable enough that it makes me think they must be at least somewhat hyperbolic cynicism. However, we can't be certain of his mental state at this stage, and even him joking in such poor taste about Egwene indicates a heightened level of paranoia.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the preceding prologue may very well contain some additional events which poison Rand's thoughts about Egwene. Or we may find out something later which occurred off-screen to the same end. We just don't know.
Andrew Maxey
434. Aran Alandar
AWESOME!!! I have been waiting SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long for this book. Great job Brandon. I am a bit bummed the tour isn't coming to michigan at all. Course, I wouldn't want to go to the pit of doom either if I didn't allready live there. I am trying to organize an non sanctioned release party at my local Borders. Why shouldn't WOT get one if Potter and Twilight do?? It is the borders in Canton MI. just show up in some kind of wheel of time attire. Why not??
Andrew Maxey
435. Aran Alandar
Also to respond to a comment made about Rand. I do not think Brandon has missed Rand's character at all. He has still not yet harmed a woman, he has held to that principle so I don't think he would condone torturing Semirhage. Also, he has obviously been heading down the road to insanity for some time so his exchange with LTT is not off base either. I have been a WOT fan for too many years to count so I know what I am talking about.
Andrew Maxey
436. Aran Alandar
I also want to say to skinnybattlecow: Bravo, I couldn't have said it better myself. I too have gotten to know Brandon's writing as well. I have read all of his novels. I saw you did not mention Elantris his first novel...it is great as well. The guy absolutely loves WOT too so this is so important to him on so many levels. He is a great guy too, he answered the emails I sent him personally. I would reccomend his books to ANYONE. I am glad he is doing this.
John Massey
437. subwoofer
@Wetlandernw- Thanks- but you know I am a staunch practitioner of D & P'ing so waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy ahead of you. Me and Jim Beam go way back, not that I am looking for corporate sponsorship- hint, hint. I am also going to follow your lead and ignore a random poster. I've got bigger fish to fry... NFL is in full bore so I really have to manage time wisely in order to keep up with my honey-do list and other pass times I have.

I would like to revisit the trust issue thread though. One thing I have noticed is the gulf that exists within the Tower and also between males and females that can channel. The greatest things in history... er WoT history... were done with men and women working together. A recent example of that would be the cleansing of Sadin with Rand and Ny working together surrounded by a safety net of men and women channelers working as teams.

This to me is a sign of things to come. There is 3000 years of history and distrust between men and women, and a huge stigma to overcome for anybody in regards to any man who can touch the Source. Where LTT went wrong is that he disregarded the female AS and took his 100 Companions and sealed the DO away. It worked, but at a price. I was thinking that if there were some females around, it may of helped as they could of acted like a buffer, the same way female AS do when wielding Callandor.

The men are okay now. Some have questionable allegiances but on the whole, there is no real reason, beyond the 3000 years of stigma to continue to ostracize and hold down men who channel. Where the female AS went wrong is that they painted everybody with the same brush. Ishamael healed LTT of his madness, if the odd female AS was around back when, maybe they could of done the same before it was too late.

Where I was getting at in suggesting that Rand do the same again, was that it did work in the past. They did seal the DO away. Maybe with Ny, Avi, etc. around to cure crazy, they could do it again and this time put a stop to the repercussions... er, DO counterstroke.

Bottom line, I would like to see the Tower whole at the end of this, and by whole I do mean the male and female halves together, under the old sign. As it was in the beginning, mind you, this is just me spit-balling.

Just sayin'.

Woof.
Alice Arneson
438. Wetlandernw
subwoofer - I really think you're right. As I recall, LTT's original plan was to go with a team of both men and women, but LPD arm-twisted all the strongest women into refusing to join him, holding out for the Choedan Kal approach. When that blew up (the access keys made in an area that was taken by one of the Forsaken), LTT figured they couldn't wait any longer. The women still refused to go, so he did it with just the men, knowing that it wouldn't work as well, or might not work at all, but also knowing that something had to be done NOW. He (or his voice) is right - without the women, they were 100 (plus some, 12 maybe?) individual men, rather than a huge linked circle, which would have been much stronger (more able to do a good seal) and much less vulnerable.

It's a little creepy to realize that no one in the 3rd Age knows what happened. Or maybe some of the AS know, but Rand doesn't know yet why the AOL attempt failed. I always forget that, because we have all those prologues and The Strike at Shayol Ghul to tell us. So I think that once LTT finally manages to communicate to Rand what he'd planned and why it failed, the (as you say) united Tower, Black & White, will put their collective heads together and do it right.

Hey, here's a looney theory. One of the reasons they have all these bonded Asha'man & Aes Sedai is so that they, led by Egwene & Logain, can go seal the Bore while Rand and all the non-A/AS-bonded channelers are keeping the DO occupied at TG. Hmmm. This may require a sneak. Maybe Verin should lead them all.

Oh. Egwene & Verin aren't bonded to Asha'man, are they? Neither is Nynaeve. Hmmm. Well, I'll find some way around that. Maybe Egwene & Nynaeve will be at TG helping Rand. Or maybe Egwene will bond an Asha'man before then. RAFO!
John Massey
439. subwoofer
I knew it! I was always puzzling out the reason for Verin. Alanna bonded Rand, Caddy stepped into the void left by Mo, so where does that leave us with Verin? She has close personal knowledge and contact with Rand, and obviously she has her 70 year plan, but to what end?

RJ wrote Verin in for a reason, made her a major player, question is what? RAFO- forgetaboutit. I'm going to get my smoking gun crew going and will get to the bottom of this... Or we could come up with a plan on this forum... anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Edit- Eggy and Logain?! Did not see that coming! Has merit though. Leaders of their respective halves of the Tower... hmmmmm.

Woof.
John Massey
440. subwoofer
@thewindrose- maybe there will be a confrontation in a sweat tent or something- meow- er... girl fight!

@philbert- um... which he?... your train of thought lost me. If we are talking about Rand saying stuff out loud to get a rise out of LTT, it doesn't take much. The problem is, people think he's loopy because Rand does not look around when confronting his "inside voice".

LTT- knob- am not sure about the soul thing though. What I mean by this is that is this the reincarnated soul cured of madness or the soul gone crazy? It is a pity, because at the end of the day, LTT was supposed to be a brilliant tactician and in command of all the forces in the original war with the Shadow. It would be nice if Rand did not have to winnow out the brilliance from the random ramblings of a seeming mad man.

Edit- what would happen if LTT actually managed to gain control of Rand's body? Would it be Dragonmount all over again? Would he go strait to SG and be cannon fodder? Or would he have an actual plan and do things right in re-sealing the Bore?

Woof.
Henry Loose
441. schrodinger
To add my voice to those who think that the sword mentioned in this chapter is Justice, the sword of Artur Hawkwing, aside from tying into Rand's relationship with the Seanchan, which just seems Jordanian, there is a passage at the end of The Great Hunt on the last page of the last chapter: "Let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us."
Shanhan
442. Manatheren
I find it funny how people are out to critique this book. I guess we all read for different reasons. I myself read for the story, and that alone. I guess I am an author’s dream reader. I allow myself to be lead by the nose and get caught up in all the little undertones deliberately placed for me to caught up in. I don't fight the story I go along with it.

I know that this book, in the majority, has been written by Brandon himself. And now that I think on it, I guess I can agree that if Brandon did write this chapter, then yes there are some differences. But to be honest I was straight back into the story as if I had never left. It felt right at home... And I am on book 8 of my 3rd read through. This felt seamless enough for me

I thank the creator that he didn't hold back in writing 'A Memory of Light' in a way that he felt it should be to honour everything that had come before. The fact that it is broken into 3 volumes was the best new I heard in regards to this book actually being written, and I applaud Brandon for being brave enough to do so.

I completely loved this chapter, and I can't wait for this book to be released.

Start the countdown proper now!
Chad Ingram
443. chaddrag
I think it's time to nickname Rand Stumpy. It'll keep me amused while he's in his depressed mood. Teens...

Anywho, The story didn't feel ike Rj's writing. I usually love reading through his writings but it seemed kinda like I forced through it until the story finally settled on Rand. Another thing was everything being explained, such as the Saidin is the male half of the power. I know they do that in some books but that's why the Wheel of Time had a glossary. So that the story wasn't interrupted to explain some minor details. It's been too long since I've read through the series and maybe I've gone crazy, thinking what should be right and how it's wrong but I felt like that chapter was pretty much a recap of what everyone already knew but that's my two cents
Øyvind Hamre
444. spesial@yahoo.com
Endelig er den på vei. Kan nesten ikke vente på å lese fortesettelsen..
Dominique
445. dominiquebr
I LOVE IT. It doesn't feel quite like RJ, but it is clearly better then other BS books, like Elantris. I hope the rest of the book will keep to that same style. (Russian WoT fan :D)
mark
446. mlt8
rand,
waterboard her a$$. it's effective and, apparently, it's even legal!
phillip
447. nichols
i dant care what anyone has to say. i love this seris
Steve Sims
448. Wotjunkie
It's good to be back in Randland, but one Chapter; man, its like giving a starving man one bite of food.
I almost wish I would have held off. Now the hunger that had faded to a dull ache is back full force.
Oh well, I've waited this long what's another few weeks. I can probably get another full series re-read in, in the meantime.
Oh man, I'm hungry!
Rob Munnelly
449. RobMRobM
@444. Wow, I didn't realize anyone spoke the Old Tongue on this site. Rob
Amolana
450. Eleanor123355
OK. i can't believe i'm actually admitting this but i've read the chapter (obviously) and ( here's the shameful bit) all 449 comments. i am obssessed no two ways about it. sigh.

basically i agree with a lot of whats been said. rand's character and lew therins just arent right. they way they now think is different, too straightforward. RJ was vastly more detailed and complex, yet natural. we're all going to notice it. it's too different now. BS has undoubtedly done his best, but noone can follow an act like RJ.

the best thing to do is just to read the story as it is for now. as we read the book we can forget it's not RJ. then we can go back and analyse it and compare and bitch and all else. but at least for the first reading we can imagine it's RJ. thus we won't be nitpicky over every word and can just enjoy the story.

well done BS for doing a great job. it's not RJ or course, but thats impossible so i am just grateful to have the story continued at all. it would of been agonising to have eleven books and no ending.

can not wait for the book!!!!! so excited!!!



@449 - its not the old tongue you twit
Rob Munnelly
451. RobMRobM
@450. Guess I should have added the implied LOL for those who don't get my sense of humor....
Tess Laird
452. thewindrose
RobM - funny:)
I hope you know #450.

subwoofer - I know I mentioned this before on a way earlier thead but: In Prologue to EotW we saw TP to heal insanity. The OP can not be used to heal insanity.
Rob Munnelly
453. RobMRobM
@452 - Nope but I'm willing to get to know my fellow posters at any time. R
johntheirishmongol
454. Canadave
Excellent job on this first chapter! As has been mentioned already, the writing style is different but not off-putting unless you're putting effort into searching for what's different. It was very easy to get lost in the story. Once I had done so, I forgot all about the differences in style.

That said, a few earlier choices of phrasing struck me as odd. Magnificent? Workaday? Toughs? Something slammed into it? One thing is for sure, Robert Jordan had a style that will never be duplicated.

THAT said, I think Rand's character was beautifully portrayed. The inner conflict, the constant pressure, his need to be strong, his inability to understand how he is losing touch or face why the people who care for him are trying to chip away at what he thinks is his strength. Rand's attitude towards Egwene is perfect considering their separation and his experiences with Aes Sedai, also in how he expects her to use people for her purposes just as he is resigned to do to win TG. His desperate refusal to torture any woman, his ruthless rejection of any mourning for the loss of his hand, the way he isolates himself and speaks over Min as if anything but ruthless concentration on winning TG will mean defeat. Of all the things to get right, Rand was the most important one. So far, so great.

@complainers:

If you have criticism of the writing, explain it. Maybe, just maybe, Brandon Sanderson might actually read your comments and attempt to adjust his style to please the readers who might feel as you do. Passing off his prose as childish or telling us how you'll suffer through it anyways only shows how unappreciative you are, and demonstrates a sense of entitlement to a story that you don't show enough respect for to deserve reading. Otherwise, like Rand, you will alienate the people who might share the experience with you, and like Rand you will lose all enjoyment in finishing this marvelous story.
Alice Arneson
455. Wetlandernw
Is anyone else noticing this? Barring a few people who just don't like the writing style, most people are noticing things but not really complaining. Just noticing. The biggest actual complaints (other than rsmillard and one or two others) are about character portrayals. Does anyone else think this is because of the ways Mr. Sanderson sees a character differently than you?

In particular, I've seen a lot of people say he didn't get Rand right, but to me Rand was fine. I felt like Nynaeve was "off", but then realized that she was portrayed exactly the same way some of my fellow readers (and commenters on Leigh Butler's reread) see her. I didn't notice any problems with Cadsuane, but others think she didn't sound right. Opinions, anyone? Not on which characters you think he got "right" or "wrong", but on the possibility that your reaction to his portrayals comes from his viewing the characters differently than you.
Matt Upton
456. RoyaleWithGusto
I am incredibly excited for this! Also, September 17 for the prologue, awesome!
I liked the chapter. It was definitely different though, you could tell that it was not RJ writing this. Especially in the first several paragraphs. At the beginning, Rand felt a little off. Particularly the end of this sentence "Steel, he thought. I am steel. This cannot be ?xed, and so I move on." It just felt... odd. It is different, but the more the chapter progressed the better everything felt, I guess you could say.
It might be a little hard getting used to, but I think Brandon will do an excellent job.
Kev Hamm
457. cavynmaicl
The sword is the sword that the first current-Aiel spurned when they picked up the spear to defend themselves. It was also Kinslayer's sword, used during the War of Power. This sword was there for the breaking of the oath that created the current Aiel, and the breaking of the world that created the current age.

That, my friends, is a pretty darn cool sword. I just don't want to find it, personally.
Kev Hamm
458. cavynmaicl
Oooh, I missed the parts about people thinking it might be Justice. Wouldn't it be weird to have Hawkwing fighting at the last battle as he's summoned by the Horn of Valere, but this time, he lacks his sword because now Rand has it? After all, Hawkwing did have Justice when he appeared at Falme. Unless there is a separate Justice that is attached to the Wheel, and the physical one can be in reality without Hawkwing as well. (As Leigh likes to say, "DUN!")
Andreas Vox
459. avox
@455: since every reader experiences a character differently, it stands to reason that BS portrays the characters differently than you or me interpreted them from RJ's writing.

About Rand's character being off: Rand's thoughts have been somewhat inaccessible to me since TDR or so. BS seems to be willing to reveal more of Rand's thoughts and plans, I like that. And as for the character - I guess we are in for a big change when Cadsuane drives home her lesson anyway.

@458: Maybe Hawkwing was reborn recently and will therefore miss the next call of the Horn anyway ;-) Olwer anyone?
John Massey
460. subwoofer
@thewindrose- yes, I do remember, but as Ny has proved out, anything short of death should be able to be Healed...

@ Eleanor123355- welcome, I'm the lame one with the pop culture references and the more... relaxed form of expression, and grammar.

@all- I second wetlandernw- except for a few clownshoes, most of the comments have been about style rather than substance. Yes there is a difference, but on the whole I see that everybody is grateful that this series is continuing and very grateful to BS for doing so. Noting the difference in style is not condemning BS, it is just noting a difference. I'll be the first one to let everyone know when the world is ending, so take a load off...

Woof.
Joe Walters
461. josepph
Too many posts to read them all so if anyone mentioned anything to this effect already, my apologies.

As far as the sword conversation goes, it seems the story of where the sword came from may be covered in the prologue but I think more than anything, and why it is mentioned so heavily in the first chapter, is that it is alluding to the transition from RJ to BS. He is clearly describing the sword he received from RJ's collection. Much how the story has been passed on to BS, the sword has been passed on as well.

Rand recognizing the sword and knowing its importance is acknowledging RJ's important roll in bring this story to us and mourning his passing. It is as if Rand is saying he knows Robert Jordan, he knows he is gone, and the story will be finished. All at the same time BS is able to present his reverence for RJ via his very own sword.

Both in the story and in real life the sword is very much the symbol of the story passing from the hands of one master to another.
Ata Dizdar
462. atadizdar
Alright, I want this book to come out ASAP. The way the interaction between Lews Therin and Rand is going, its going to be a heck of a ride. BS has already won me over with this.
David Platt
463. The Not So Dark One
Was an okay start - the Wind was definatley more chatty than usual and the recap was a little tedious but they always were. Overall I liked where it was going. Cant wait for it to drop through my door - thank god for pre-orders.
Virginia O'Connor
464. Tialin
Can't wait. That's all.

Not a quibble here from the ultimate quibbler - Brandon did a great job and thank the Light SOMEONE is finishing the books! Thank you, Harriet and Brandon and Tom Doherty at Tor!!!

And thanks so much for making Chapter One and the Prologue available to us!

Virginia
4th Age Podcaster
and impatient fan
Mathew Fransen
465. mattman818
Okay, so its finally happening. Glad that release date is only like a month away. It's obvious that the writing styles are different and so is the feel, but I had no problem adjusting.

It's definatley obvious that Rand is going to have to try and do something about his eyesight and Lews Therin's voice in his head, but I think there's one thing everyone's overlooking. The hand. It's gone, and yet Rand continues to mention that it feels as if it's still there. I've heard of shadow pain before, but this seems different in the way that Rand speaks of it.

Oh, and I definately can't wait to find out about the sword. No matter what it is, doesn't matter because it will still be epic and you know it will save him in one way or another. Besides, it adds that lovely feeling of "gotta-find-out" to the readers. All in all, this is shaping up to be an amazing book. Hands down. And if you've been with WoT since the beginning like me, then it's finally time to see just how far our three young friends from Emonds Field are ready to go. Ha, put-up or shut-up time.

P.S. My last side note for those who remember. Anyone else think Lan might have bitten off more than he could chew in the last book? I can't see him just plowing into the shadow lands with a few guys at his back, hoping to retake his lost kingdom BEFORE Tarmon Gaidon even begins. It ought to be interesting to find out.
earl dennis
466. earldennis75
Back near the top of the posts you were discussing Rand talking out loud to LTT. I do not know if this helps, but in my rereads I found this passage in LoC page 765 pb, "And muttering, you are dead! I am alive, and you are dead!" He was meeting with Taim at the Black tower.
Next, does anyone know if Taim is Demandred? In LoC, Demandred is in Shayol Ghul and when he meet the other fs he said, "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule!" Taim also said the same thing to the red sisters at the end of KoD when they went recruiting Asha'man.
James Jones
468. jamesedjones
For Pablo and/or Torrie:

So, when is the prologue going to be available for sale? Maybe midnight... in Kazakstan? :P
Torie Atkinson
469. Torie
@ 468 jamesedjones

That would be tomorrow, 9/17.
James Jones
470. jamesedjones
Hi, Torie. Thank you for the quick response. I just wanted to have fun with the fact that it's tomorrow in a few places, already. BTW do you read the WoT? I know Pablo doesn't since we upset him with our "Break it. Break it. Break it." joke on the Reread.
corey bickle
471. coreybickle
I wanted to read all the comments before i posted one myself, but seeing as there are currently 470, i'm not going to. Sorry if i repeat anyone.

The only difference i noticed in the writing style is that RJ made everything seem very dark, if in a subtle way, and Brandon has a tendency to add an almost childish humor to his writing.

I think that if there are any problems with the way brandon writes RJ's book it will come out in perrin. He's a pretty boring character however his head is really messed up. I think more so than rand or mat.

Rand being crazy is pretty out there, mat having muderers, alcoholics, charmers, and people who's lives were to be better at killing on a large scale than other people is also pretty messed up, but perrin had his entire family slaughtered and his only reason left for living is his wife, who i might add is psycotic and can't seem to keep out of trouble. That's a pretty bleak outlook to be writing from and i want to see how Brandon fares at it.
corey bickle
472. coreybickle
Also, I don't think Taim is Demandred. Sammael says, i believe in book 7, that "Demandred likes using proxies." not an exact quote, but he does say it. A proxy is a stand in. kinda like a right hand man i think. And i believe that Taim is Demandred's proxy.
Lily
473. Lily of the Valley
coreybickle:

You should really join Leigh's Wheel of Time Re-read. EVERYTHING gets covered there.
eric s
474. silverprl1
Someone mentioned the orphan above ... Olver... that Mat has to care for. It is Gaedal Cain (SP?) Birgitta's other half spun out. Notice how she likes ugly men and how he went missing in the world of dreams before she got snatched out... and how much she cares for him for no reason... etc.

It has been pretty obvious that he was spun out and like she said ... but this time he will be younger than me, looking for me, and never knowing what it is or why he is missing something in his life.


(Apologies for the mis-pellings... I've been in audio-book mode for so long that I can't remember how anything WOT is spelled)
Alice Arneson
475. Wetlandernw
silverprl1 @474

Nope. RJ laid that idea to rest long ago. Olver is NOT Gaidal Cain reborn. Olver was already a child when GC was still in TAR, and whatever the time inconsistencies there, it doesn't go backward.

Sorry to spoil your fun, but it really has been definitively denied. In fact, I'd suggest you look through the WoTFAQ sometime for lots of things like that.
corey bickle
477. coreybickle
Does anyone know what time the prologue is coming out? It's 12:20am. I'm getting pissed.

Do we have to wait for regular business hours?

The Wheel sure isn't weaving as I will.
Jerald
478. CloudCrono
Not sure I REALLY want it now though. Usually websites auto update at around 2 am. Im not sure where Tor.com is based though.
jsedai
479. jsedai
Pretty sure they're based on the east coast. A simple e-mail 2 weeks ago could have told us when and how and where it would be released.
Jonathan Eisfeld
480. jeisfeld
I just bought the prologue!!!!

http://www.mobipocket.com/en/eBooks/eBookDetails.asp?BookID=220460
jsedai
483. jsedai
Payment link isn't working for me. Mcsigh
Jonathan Eisfeld
484. jeisfeld
I had to download their ebook reader....but it's all there...

Very very good!
corey bickle
485. coreybickle
watch out canadians. not available to download if you choose canada as your home country. choose the u.s. save some time.
corey bickle
486. coreybickle
GO PROLOGUE!!!!!!! I am such a nerd. I hope you are all as nerdy as me. Anyone else notice that Faile did the second useful thing in the series. Sheesh, about time Faile.
James Jones
487. jamesedjones
Hmmm... Well, the prologue sounded like Jordan, but it was too short. I'll leave it at that. :)
Rob Trotter
488. shadar
Short. :(
Killing off an annoying plot thread. Yay!
Not as good as KOD Prologue.
Robbins thompson
489. moogiestink
totally different feel tot he books the narrative has a lighter feel, more descriptive in someways. RJ had way of giving you enough to create your on vision of the places. Also thus far Rand doesn't sound like Rand, of course he did get his hand burnt off. But all that said it's not a bad thing. It's always hard in the beginning anyway.
Tru
490. Tru
I have always loved RJ's style of writing...what some people deprecate as an over-use of description, is one of the features I have always enjoyed; the sheer amount of detail that the artist produced on the palette of the page, so to speak.

So, in regard to this, I did find the first few paragraphs "clunky" to borrow a phrase from above lol. Some of the descriptions were different, not in a bad way, but there were a few that really made me pause, as they upset the flow a little. This paragraph in particular, was one that didn't flow at all for me:

And perhaps the crowding wasn’t the only reason for the disrepair. The storefront signs and awnings hadn’t seen wash or polish in far too long. Rotting garbage piled where it had been dumped in alleys, drawing ?ies and rats but driving away all others. Dangerous toughs lounged on the street corners. Once, they’d never have dared do that, and certainly not with such arrogance.

Starting a sentence with "And" simply made me shudder. The reference to "dangerous toughs"...what the?

So, in some points, I'm already made aware that one of the high points (for me), the descriptive style that characterised RJs world, simply won't be there.

However, on the upside...although I loved RJ's world and the way it was painted, sometimes I just didn't like his characters. Who hasn't thought that Elayne could do with a swift dose of reality, and lets not start on Egwene, Nynaeve and Avhienda. ;)

I don't want to disparage RJ's style in regard to his characters too much, but I've always thought they were a little...flat. A few character traits to fill them out, that got used over and over, with not a lot of real substance, or growth.

So even though I was a little disappointed in the descriptive side of things, I am looking forward to seeing if Brandon can perhaps make the characters a little more, if not likeable, ones that we can identify with a little more.
Pablo Defendini
491. pablodefendini
Wow, you guys are really impatient. Since the prologue goes live on different retailers' sites at different hours, we can't take it live at a particular time. We ask them to have it available on 9/17, and some of them will do so at midnight, some will do so later, so we decided to wait for the majority of them to be available before making the availability announcement on here.

You'll want to stick around for that, oh twitchy, impatient WoT fans. We have more in store for you.
John Massey
492. subwoofer
Thanks Pablo- no twitching here. For those that do... there is ointment for it. Momentous news! Wait a tick- today's the 17th! Woooooooo! 'K, I'm gonna be stalkin' this post 'till something comes up!!

Where's that damn ointment...

Woof.
Rob Trotter
493. shadar
So Pablo - where can we discuss it? I kept my post before pretty brief - but I want somewhere to talk about the prologue?
stuart hynes
494. stuhynes
should have opened up wit mat. so sick of rand:( the constant whining has been bringing me to hate him since book 8.
Henry Loose
496. schrodinger
after reading the prologue, I think i can safely say that this book is going to be just as epic as the previous books; several of the new plot threads seem interesting, and i could not tell if it was jordan or sanderson who was writing (if that means that jordan wrote the whole thing, or sanderson was just better than in the first chapter, i don't know). Also, it was interesting to see Faile do something that i did not hate, most likely because she dealt with an even more annoying problem.
Torie Atkinson
497. Torie
@ 470 jamesedjones

I haven't, but I really enjoyed Sanderson's Mistborn books, which bumped WoT higher up my to-read list (don't ask how long it is, arrrrgh). So the time will come soon. :)

Enjoy the Prologue, guys!
Linda Wegener
498. llwweg
I am so pleased that Sanderson has done such a wonderful job so far. Yes, there is a slight difference in the styles, but I won't waste my time trying to nitpick thru it. The story is far too interesting, and I look forward to the release of bk 12!
Ross Dietzel
499. Rokmakr
I have been reading this series for nineteen years since it first came out as a stand alone. then what was to be a three book set, then?? i've read book one, two and three, now with book ten, ten times, book four nine times, book five eight times and so on with each new book I re-read the whole series. don't get me wrong I love the book and series, but, maybe if mr. jorden had concentrated on just finishing this series instead of writing other books and series' he could of finished the whole story in less than twenty-two years. If i'm lucky i'll be able to read the last book before I die. Even with all the time it's taken to finish this series the only truly bad thing about it was the one-and-a-half to two years waiting between books and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way! One could think that it was done this way to insure a continous income, I personally don't beleave that, but I'll bet alot do. This series has made me very careful to check all books I buy to be sure of there length, and to this day will never buy a book or series that is more than there books because i don't think i live long enough to finish then. Unless of coarse the whole series is complete, finished, done, then i can buy all the books and know that I have the end in my hands. I am truly sorry for the loss of the author, person, husband and friend that was the man behind Robert Jorden. Even tho that it is two years later I would like two express my sincere simpathies to his wife, family and friends. I never had the privilage to meet the person who was Robert Jorden but he will always have my respect and I will always consider the wheel of time series the best books I've ever read. my best wishes to you all.
jenifer littlefield
500. yarlanda
i have to agree with forkroot on one point...i read it, and the whole thing felt wierd-definitely not rj. not to say it wasn't decent, but it felt...not wrong, but not right. i'll wait until some of my friends (i'm poor!) read it before i do. there is definitely something lost, in my opinion. on the other hand, it'll be nice to see the series come to an end-all things do.
JAMES MCCLELLAN
501. ZEXXES
I'm poor too and I'll just have to wait until the book comes out in paperback, because I don't know about you folks but these are hard times. Hopefully they'll not get too greedy and wait until they've wrung every dime out of the readers and wait a year and a half before releasing the paperback editions. (I know, I know, when have they not been greedy these days)
Emilio Bourne
502. petierbourne
GOD IM SO EXCITED!!!!
even though it doesnt sound like Robert Jordans writing style completely it still sounds like the same old Rand and Nyneave and Cadsuane and Min!!!
=]]
should be amazing
eric s
503. silverprl1
I just read the prologue, and I am sorry to say that it is really crap. Everything is out of whack, from the characters names, to the lack of descriptions. I don't feel like I am there, or that the world they are in is a possible place. It feels like it is made up, like it is fake. Even the simple actions people do seem worded so oddly that at times it is hard to even understand their actions. And the prologue does not answer any of the questions you are hoping for.

It sounds like a chapter from Mistborn Book #4, but confused because the author had his friend help him make up the story.

Seriously, RJ made you see the the world around you. This is so lost as to make you wonder what the heck they are even talking about. The supposed borderlanders act wrong, The Prophet is so off now that he seeks glory, greatness, and the luxuries of the wealthy ??? This is terrible.
eric s
504. silverprl1
to # 475... Birgitta ALWAYS talks about how the world of dreams time flows so differently as to not be comparable. It is not as linear like the real world, unless you are their in the flesh. RJ definitely did not lay that to rest. Olver came to being in the story after Birgitta was with the girls.... and she said she hadn't seen him in a long time in TAR... Her long time in TAR could be the 9 yrs Olver needed to appear.

TAR is really a bad piece of Sci Fi if you ask me. It is a way to allow the author to create things out of thin air that otherwise don't follow the "rules" of physics as proposed in the WOT.

And... I have read the FAQ's and found so many errors and misconceptions I think it is funny. I'm 20+ times through the books.... I do have a bit of knowledge. But I could be wrong. Even so, I'd still bet on it. With all of his uncles training him to fight and use swords etc...

Swords.....
johntheirishmongol
505. Band_of_the_Red_Hand
Wow there's a lot of comments here, so I'll give one too. I loved this preview. Sure I can tell it's a bit different from RJ's writing style, no one has ever wrote like him before and will never again. That said, BS seems to have taken RJ's world, made it his own and continued this fantastic story with out trying to be RJ. I for one say great job Saunders, I can't wait to read the whole book and the other two to follow.

As for the sword I have no idea. I would have to guess one of the swords held by the heroes too.

I also dig the revelation that the Hundred Companions were all male. Makes sense that only Saidin was tainted since there were no women helping. Who knows if Saidar would have been tainted too if they helped or if the seals would never have weakened because of them. If the first happened we'd have a very different story, if the latter happened though there would be no story for us! It works perfectly.

Thanks Harriet and Brandon for letting us read the first chapter early!!!! I will be one of the first in line to buy the book next month!
c
506. kiacs
btw ... I can't believe no one has used Band of the Red Hand as their handle until now!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!

D Z
507. Hopper
@503

I could be wrong, but I'm 99% sure the prologue was entirely RJ. I believe a recording of him reading it was played at Jordancon. Can someone verify?

also @504 (same person)

GC is seen in TAR by our supergirls, so its impossible that he was spun out 9 years prior.

also... is there a dedicated place to discuss the prologue? I saw people complaining about spoilers too on the page it was announced on... I want to talk!
Henry Loose
508. schrodinger
@503. What prologue did you read? i think you went in thinking that it was going to be crap, so you only saw what you expected. The Prologue was very good. I found no problems with the characters' names, and there has never been a scene from the Prophet's POV before; also, i don't know what you were reading, but nothing in there indicated that the Prophet was interested in anything except serving the Dragon Reborn in his own insane little way. He is just very very insane. Also, Masema always wanted glory from book 2. Also, I'm fairly certain that RJ wrote between 80 to 100 percent of the prologue, so I just really don't know what you were reading. Sorry if this is so disjointed, but when I kept going back to look at your post I kept finding more things wrong with it that needed correcting.
johntheirishmongol
509. Colmoh
I'm resurrecting my "Demandred rules Shara" theory. There aren't many other places it would be.
johntheirishmongol
510. Colmoh
I'm resurrecting my "Demandred rules Shara" theory. There aren't many other places it would be.
J. Crawford
511. Jcrawford38
The Sword, my first thought was Jain Farstrider, his story was one of Rand's favorites. It is bound to have a sword in it. Rand's memory, not Lews Therin.


The chapter seemed alright, a little slow and long winded. I do wish I could read the book already.
Victoria
512. marajade01
I miss the grandiose language that's normally in the wind passages. I always thought of these as being in high chant (or what ever the top story-telling voice is that Thom always rants about)and 'flapping' definately jarred.

I am blissfully happy that Brandon took on the challenge of finishing the series and whilst I don't expect him to try and write like RJ, things like that and the 'trousers' are style issues and as a writer myself you should always write to house style unless you have a good reason not to, so was a bit disappointed with this chapter.

Once we focus in on Rand and co things do improve and it's great to see my three favourite characters again (Rand, Min and Nynave). Oh how I've missed them. BS definately has a faster pace to his writing and that could be a positive thing for the series but it did feel like there were bits missing somehow though the only bit I can pick up on is no Rand perspective/reaction on LT's comments in his head and the repition of Rand's name even though the passage is already from Rand's view-point. It's almost as though he's thinking of himself in the third person. Of course both of those things could be signs of the madness seeing 'Rand' as a separate entity and getting so used to LT's voice that he doesn't even react to it anymore but RJ always made sure to make such things slightly more obvious. Is subtlety part of BS's style? I haven't yet read any of his books.
Chris
513. The Fisher King
Essay: A Writer and Fan's View: - Sanderson's Influence On 'Tears From Steel'


I first met Mr Jordan (Rigney) 19 years ago. It was at a little Sci-Fi and Comic Bookstore, the kind of Independent that has long since been devoured but which we all have such fond memories. It was one of his first stops to promote the hardback release of TEOTW. This, you understand, was long before 'Book-Signing Tours' were what they are now.


Mr Jordan seemed stiff, nervous and uncomfortable. He also seemed to exude warmth and sincerity and you just got the...feeling...that this man could not be disingenuos if he had to. He was very kind to me - and to my mother. Sincerely interested. I remember once when he got to talking about a subject the Store Manager brought up that Jrdan's eyes visibly lit up and he began waving his arms! Passion! You know, parts of COT and POD can certainly seem dry, but I honestly believe that the man NEVER lost one bit of his passion for every word of that series up unil - and including - the day he passed and left us all to miss him.


I still have an original, signed hardcover of 'Eye' ... what a treasure...


Anyway, before I meander off too far from this Topic's intent, let me begin here with my appraisal.


I've never met Brandon Sanderson. But, you just get the...VIBE...that he is SUCH a good, caring, bright, talented young man and writer. That he cares so much about the fans. That he is, thankfully, still one of the writers of Fantasy today who still actually..LOVE...what they do and APPRECIATE the readers (*cough cough* George R R...Uh, SMITH, please take note...yeah, thats the ticket - SMITH.)


I am conciously waiting to read Mr Sanderson's own work because we have had enough triggers already implanted in us to cause us to - even if its subconcious 'Notice' all the 'Differences' in these remaining pages of Mr Jordan's Epic. I don't need another Influence or Trigger to distract me from the story itself.


Now, I have no wish to begin here at this point discussing Tears From Steel in dry, technical terms such as Diction, Prose, Style, Voice, Pace, etc etc, so I will be a bit more general, because we don't really read - even when looking for differences - to notice discrepancies in those elements so much as in the CHOICES made, the RESPECT given (or not given) to continuity, character, history and storyline continuity - basically, we focus on how it/they (percieved differences) makes us FEEL. Do we believe? Can we buy it? If we DO notice significant differences, can we accept them enough to move on and enjoy the rest?


Mr Sanderson.... Ah, Brandon....


Mr Sanderson, I commend you. And for meany reasons. Including your faults in Tears From Steel.


QUICK SIDE-THOUGHT: Ive read many people here and in other places speculate about the possibility of Chapter 1 actually being a segment that Mr. Jordan had actually completed the majority of work. Then, consequently, Tor, Mr. Rigney, Mr Doughtery and others can sit back and watch us all, while heartly laughing themselves silly, dissect all of the 'obvious' parts by 'Sanderson.'


LOL! That would be the funniest thing EVER! I would bet that somewhere Above Mr Jordan would about spit his pipe out he would laugh so hard!


If that is indeed the case, then count me among those EASILY-FOOLED lol! I believe that Brandon contributed large amounts that ARE obvious to this Chapter, and, even if I am wrong, the following will be my opinions on what I BELIEVE are examples I am seeing:


1 Inconsistency. This may sound a contradiction, but I see so much of it early on that I am now more reassured than ever that the consistency will grow and grow and grow as Brandon Sanderson writes deeper and deeper into the story.

Sometimes, he is fast and he is modern. It can be jarring. When he used the wrod 'Metaphor' I was shocked and appalled. Jordan Entire STYLE is based in metaphors and he would never have talked down to his readers by feeling he had to point out to them that he had just used one. The Wind...I thought it was very well-done despite criticisms I've seen...and...if you look at actual WORD COUNT in recent pooks (especially LOD/COS) its not reall all THAT much longer than normal...


Other times he seems to be PERFECTLY capturing Jordan's approach to a character's mental meandering in a scene.


The lengthy stretch where Rand's mind wanders as her stares out a window with min behind him was BEAUTIFUL and CLASSIC 'Scene-Style' Jordan, (as well as very much Rand) and, if Brandon wrote that, he certainly is showing that he CAN write in the same style.


But this example is JORDAN-Style and NOT WOT-Style and there is a difference. Brandon admirably and wisely (imo) is dedicated to NOT completely imitating Jordan's Style but capturing the essence of WOT in general. The scene I described above is a beautiful and perfect example of BOTH - I do not believe we will see it too much more...I just don't think Mr Sanderson has the TIME to devote to that effort of blending Jordan's Beautiful Style and The Overall Feel of The World of WOT BOTH. I admire his choice.


Ok, I'm wrapping this up with a comment or few regarding the way the CHARACTERS were written, the CHOICE of words, adjetives etc.


Characters. I have to be honest. There ARE some things that jarred me, but OVERALL, I felt like this was written by someone with an INTIMATE UNDERSTANDING of the characters - especially Rand, Nynaeve and Cadsuane. Ok, It seems we have 5 Characters in that scene to dissect in terms of how Brandon handled them: Min, Lews Therin, Rand, Cadsuane and Nynaeve.


1 LTT - Crazy as ever (though I'm starting to wonder if maybe he's still smarter than everyone and he just SOUNDS crazy) but rather than seeming the crazy ranting of an ages-old madman they seemed to flow from Brandon as more the impatient whinings of a teenager. His rant about The Box seemed a bit overstated - almost like Sanderson put that in to show the fans he really really does remember all the key trumautic events...I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH that LTT'S thought on what went on with The Sealing and The prison were FASCINATING to me and gave me chills.


2 Min...I love Min. Adore Min. If she dies I will kick my book from here to the North Pole in Rage. But...she seemed...NOT Alot off...just a Tiny bit off...and I honestly can't put my finger on why...


3 Cadusane...Rand...Nynaeve: I just feel like Mr Sanderson NAILED them. Perfectly. Who cares if Cadusane 'Strode' rather thab 'Glided' or used 'Art' as an analogy rather than 'Sewing'? PHAW!

A few minor things...Rand always seemed to want to be as Hard as Rock, Stone, Granite etc...Steel seemes too...modern...too shiny...


When Rand spoke out loud to LTT (the SECOND time in the series, NOT the first, and yes, I can prove it) I was like "HOLY COW" but the follow-up disapointed and surprised me a bit. I honestly feel that if Jordan had written this event that Cadsuane and Nynaeve would have been ON TOP of Rand in concern and worry in a split-SECOND. Their lack of reaction just seemed VERY out-of-character to me...


It seemed PERFECTLY Rand, and perfectly WOT when Rand was pointing out the discrepancy between the Wind and the Banners...


I felt like we were hit over the head with how many times Rand was internally expressing the need to leave the loss of his hand behind...I just FELT Sanderson here...We have known for a long time Rand immediately moves on from thisgs he cannot change, no matter how painful...heck, he left it behind the second it happened...


Conclusion... Yes, some adjetives are used that seem immature or too modern or colloquial...the pacing is quicker (thought the beautiful scene I talked about at the window shows B.S. *can* excel at slowing down) and a character may seem SLIGHTLY off at times...OVRERALL, I was THRILLED. Is Sanderson going to do this perectly? Of course not. He is a human being, not a robot. Even, in an Author's Afterword, Stephen King acknowledged how many mistakes he was very well aware of after he completed Dark Tower.)


I feel with NO RESERVATION however, that if someone other than Mr Jordan has to do this though, that, after reading Chapter 1, I want NO ONE other than Brandon Sanderson to do the job..


If you follow the rereads on his blog you will find his knowlege of events, characters, hisory, etc in this series over the first 11 books is INTIMATE and STUNNING.


I enjoyed Tears From Steel so much. Like many and many and many, October 27 truly can NOT arrive quickly enough for me...


The Fisher King
Henry Loose
514. schrodinger
@ The Fisher King. Great essay. I think you summed up what a lot of us are feeling and noticing. The only thing I'm going to comment on is the pacing. BS said that he was trying to turn the books out as fast as possible, so he was probably rushing at first. In later parts, he'll probably slow down, because that's when he realized it was going to be three books, rather than one. Once again, great essay
Daniel
515. unklebeavis
I have read so far into the series I cannot stop, but what I have read so far is like old leftovers from the fridge when I expect a steak dinner.
I do realize that this is not the master writing this himself, but why start off with the tower and and then just abruptly go to Rand and Co.? RJ never did that in the preceding 11 books (not even in the prologues and he had to cover many different plot lines in those), It just seems like ADHD in literary form.
Chris
516. The Fisher King
Shrodinger 514

Thanx for the kind words. I guess what the very coolest thing to me in chapter 1, from a writing aspect, was:

It was so obviously an overall quicker, more clipped pace, BUT, at any given moment, Sanderson showed with that Beautiful stretch of Rand staring out the window letting his thoughts meander while observing the setting and events outside the manor house, that he is FULLY capable of, while not 'Being/Imitating' RJ, at least slowing down and giving us one of those classic, beautifully descriptive series of passsages that really take you in to just that one moment - as if youre standing there in that moment.

A few jarringly out of place adverbs, adjetives and word-choices, but when they are that few, it makes me feel like im nitpicking the negatives rather than enjoying or appreaciating the overall wonderful job Mr Sanderson seems to be doing so far.


Fish
Pablo Defendini
517. pablodefendini
@ 470 jamesedjones

I missed your comment earlier.The reason I haven't read WoT is because as a reader, my tastes skew much more towards SF rather than Fantasy. That's not to say that there aren't exceptions: to name a few, I love R.A. Salvatore's Icewind Dale series, and I will read anything that Brandon Sanderson puts out—the Mistborn trilogy and Elantris kicked ass, imho.

That said, WoT is on my to-read list, and as an ebook aficionado and a person in the singularly unique position of providing Quality Assurance for the upcoming eBook WoT releases, I've decided to put off reading WoT until they're available as ebooks.

As I write, an electronic version of Eye of the World sits on my desktop, awaiting my critical eye; I can't wait to dig in. Maybe now I'll figure out all the 'break it' jokes!
Horia Stefan
518. hns
I could tell it wasn't Robert Jordan from the first words. Even if Brandon tried he wouldn't be able to tell it like that.

It's too bad.

For me, the new style is going to spoil everything. :(

Props on the action line though, I like it!
Alice Arneson
519. Wetlandernw
sliverprl1 @ 503 - ironic you should say that, because the prologue was mostly written by Mr. Jordan. It is somewhat shorter than he had originally written, because they moved some of the original to the prologue of "Towers of Midnight", but very little of the prologue is Mr. Sanderson's writing.

same @504 - Did you actually go read the stuff I linked? Mr. Jordan was quite clear that Olver is NOT NOT NOT Gaidal Cain reborn. If the WoTFAQ didn't make you happy, here's a direct quote from Mr. Jordan:
Q: Is Olver Gaidal Cain?

RJ: No. I didn't really think that this would last as long as it has. The timing is wrong. He has another reason for being there besides being a red herring, though.

Q: He's too old.

RJ: Yes. Time in T'A'R and the real world run at different rates, but it never runs backwards. You may spend an hour in T'A'R, and a day has passed when you get back, or you may spend a day, and an hour has passed when you get back, but you'll never go in on Tuesday and come back on Monday.
You may not like T'A'R, but it's part of the world of WoT. IMHO Mr. Jordan was pretty careful not to over-use it for plot convenience, and kept its rules consistent throughout the series.

unklebeavis @ 515 - Ummm. The Wind portions always start out one place and blow somewhere else, and the action part picks up in the location to which the wind blew. So the wind started at the WT, blew across TV and the western fork of the river, across the rebel army, past Dragonmount, over the Black Hills and across the Caralain Grass, into Arad Doman... and then the action starts at the manor house in eastern Arad Doman where Rand & Co. are hanging out. Totally consistent with the Wind in all the other books.
Priyanka Banerjee
520. Shimmer
WOW! That was awesome!
It is quite plain that this is Brandon and not RJ, but that doesn't make it bad!
Read it through twice to see if there were any faults, but there were none! Sure the descriptions could have been smoother but overall, it was a great way to start my school holidays! Kudos to Brandon. But...
I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER 27!!!!!!!
johntheirishmongol
522. 3SB Singer
Amazing! The itch for the release date is really starting to set in now. To all those who are being critical of Brandon's writing, I say this: I feel sorry for you. The fact is, you are not going to be able to truly enjoy the story. Your mind will always be distracted by the differences, always asking yourself "Is this how RJ would have done it?" Probably not. True fans of the series will realize that and think on it no further. We are all saddened by the loss of RJ, but the fact is he IS gone. It was his wish to have the story finished, so in a sense by criticizing Brandon's work we are criticizing RJ as well. There is another point to bring up - RJ received criticism of his own writing style, but now that he is gone we find people criticizing the fact that it isn't him. Can't help but wonder if it is the same critics.
As for the story, Brandon has done well. It flows well, and has an intensity right from the beginning that is rare. he is talented, and will no doubt do an amazing job with completing the series.
As for plot and character elements: I think the wind sequence that has began every book being interrupted was to show us how bad things really are. The Dark Ones touch is disrupting every aspect of Randland, including something as constant as the wind. The characters are true to form, as is their dialog. Some have questioned Rand's vehemence towards not harming Semi because she is a woman, but it is nothing new. Remember that at least at one time Rand injured himself internally once for every woman that he felt died because of him, and would not let those wounds heal. His attitude towards women is perhaps the last remaining semblance of the old Rand that grew up in Emonds Field, where men were taught to respect and protect women. This one small thing is his way of trying to cling to his own humanity and humility, in the face of the god-like status and responsibility that has been forced upon him.
I have a lot theories on how things are going to play out, and I can't wait to see how close they are. This may not be the place for this, but for example, has anyone thought that the prophecy of blood of the Dragon Reborn on the slopes of Shayol Gul signaling the end of Tarmon Gaidin may actually refer to the possibility of Rand's children being born there? It would be like Elayne to go after him at the last minute to try to save him, and going into labor there? Just a thought...
Anyways, I can't wait til the 27th, and I hope that I am still capable of reading by then. Beating my head against a wall for over a month straight is bound to cause some kind of damage! Great work Brandon!
Tess Laird
523. thewindrose
3SB Singer- You should check out Leigh Butlers Reread of WoT here on TOR, we are in LoC right now. We do discuss things like what the prophecy's may mean, and I remember a couple commenters thinking that may be the case in your example - Elayne having her babes there. We bring up all kinds of idea's. Sometimes we veer off topic - but it is a lot of fun and thought provoking as well.
Tess Laird
524. thewindrose
Whoops - I must be in a minor bubble of evil - double post:)
John Massey
525. subwoofer
@ 3SB Singer, perhaps covering that wall with a bit of foam padding...

Personally, I think somebody at the School discovers ketchup, and Rand gets a hankering...

Woof.
johntheirishmongol
526. Ludwig Van
Rather awkward indeed. I think it was too revealing of Rands thoughts and plans. I'm not used to learning so much about everything he was thinking, most certainly not in a single chapter. In the whole second half of the series Rand was growing somewhat unpredictable, which I think was meant to be- the element of surprise, which made him exciting seems gone.
And as for recapping- In RJ's earlier books he recapped but it was subtle, stretched and done carefully. At least... another lesser character should have been chosen for the first chapters in this regard. I know it's not RJ, but still. If the characters remain out of place the whole book, I will be more than disappointed. Hopefully its just like this for a few chapters.
John Massey
527. subwoofer
At some point everything has to come out. I can understand playing your cards close to your chest to hide plans from the enemy, but the Big Illan thing is done- now is the time to be deliberate, methodical and lets see where things go. Like the Giants running game tonight...

Woof.
Steve McGuire
528. tnfsinger
@windrose
I would love to join the reread discussions, butI fear I may be at a disadvantage. I gave all of my paperbacks, books 1-9, to a friend as a wedding present not long ago, since she was dying to read them, so all I have left are my hardbacks of CoT and and KoD. I may just go out and get them again, as there are a couple of the books I have only read twice, and I have only read CoS once. I just wouldn't really have anything to go back and reference for the discussions, but I would love to share ny theories with someone! Thanks!

@subwoofer
The padding is supposed to arrive tuesday.

@ludwig van
I disagree. I feel that Rand was done very well. I think it is about time for the plot to start progressing faster, as the end IS near, and there are still so many unresolved plot elements that MUST be addressed before Tarmon Gaidin. Also, we haven't really learned much that we didn't already know concerning Rand's plans. For half the series now he has been working on uniting the nations into a forced peace and alliance. As for his reactions to his hand, some have said it was out of character for him, but we don't really know that, do we? There is no real precedence for this with Rand. He lost his HAND. Even the wound in his side, though without a doubt more dangerous, pales in comparison. There is still a chance, however slim, that it can one day be fully healed, and the loss of the hand is more likely to directly affect his ability to fight Tarmon Gaidin. Not to mention the fact that he has progressively became more.... whiny as the story progresses. I think we are just seeing the toll his position is taking on him. Not sure that even RJ would have done it differently as far as content is concerned. And to be honest, I like to see a little more of Rand and his thoughts. As the evidence of his madness becomes clearer to those around him, we will need to know what is going on in his head to fully grasp the severity of things. I believe his thoughts, and the deterioration thereof, are going to play a key part in these last books, thus this will just be the beginning of a more open view of him. The question will shift from "What is Rand planning?" to "What does he think he is doing?" I predict that at at least some point the major conflict of the story will temporarily shift from Rand vs. the DO to Rand vs. himself.
Steve McGuire
529. tnfsinger
BTW- Sorry about the long posts! This is the first time I have ever posted ANYWHERE about WOT, So I'm kind of excited about it, and I am naturally long winded. Just call me Thom!
James Jones
530. jamesedjones
528 tnfsinger

WoT FAQ

It's all you need to catch up.

... and a bunch of stuff that you probably don't need, but will enjoy checking out. :)
Bryan Brown
531. Bubbs1873
Reading this chapter was a BIG mistake.

I now have to wait 6 whole weeks for my next fix.

As for differing voices WHO CARES

OPTION 1. We never get to hear the end of this amazing tale.

OPTION 2. Harriet picks a writer she believes can do justice to R.Js epic vision and goes with it.

i know which one i prefer.

Thank you Harriet and Thank you Brandon for having the guts to take on this massive undertaking.
Kelly Maskell
532. cherryonion1979
I loved both the prequel and this first chapter so I really can't wait for the book to come out now!...which sucks because I'm about to start my final year of Uni and won't have time to re-read the series beforehand :(

I last read them all when KoD came out in hardback so I'm a little rusty on what's happened before now and therefore I welcomed the recap. I didn't notice much difference in the styles, but then it's been a while so maybe I'll notice when I next get a chance to read them all again. I don't think it'll stop me enjoying the new books though. I was sucked right in after a couple of paragraphs and I've been dying to find out the end of these books! I blame my brother who randomly bought me the first 3 for Xmas many years ago! One of the best presents ever!
Parker Sebastian
533. pwsebastian
man i can't wait for this book to come out i've reread the seris 3 times in anticipation for the final book.

also i thought sanderson did a good job writing similar to robert jordon
Kristina Blake
534. kab1
@528 Tnfsinger, oh please join us on the reread! Even if you don't have the books for exact references. I listen to the audiobooks, and recently got a hold of some paperbacks for referencing, but I've already given them all away. I guess I'm doing my own advertising for Tor and trying to get more people hooked! However, I still make may comments. If you state something incorrectly, most people just kindly point you in the right direction/quote.
Malik Alwindi
535. M4lik
I hate you TOR >.>






Now the wait is going to be more Intolerable
Daniel
536. unklebeavis
@Wetlandernw

I understand about the wind blowing....part, but Ive been doing some re-reads of the whole series to get caught up on plot lines that span the series and to re-familiarize myself so if something comes up in the new one I don't have to put it down to cross reference....anyway:

Sanderson has the wind blowing intro going on for like a half a dozen locations, c'mon now.....The Master NEVER did that, it seems like some type of filler, do yourself a favor and just read the opening chapters of the previous 11.

The wind blows/blew and then he gets to the openingof the story. This just kinda seems like "we're gonna start over here...D'oh! I mean over here....D'oh!......Oh wait, here we go hehehe...."
Daniel
537. unklebeavis
BTW my posts are NOT just blind hating on Brandon Sanderson......I haven't read his other stuff, BUT:

It is my opinion that The Wheel of Time series is by far the best series ever.

I have read almost all the continuation of the DUNE series written by Brian Herbert and maybe have been spoiled by them because he sure as hell is channeling his father's voice in the continuations there.

Anyway, props to you Mr. Sanderson; you are doing us a HUGE favor by undertaking the task of seeing our favorite series to the end. I understand you impressed Harriet enough to earn the job. Unfortunately, we fans have an idealized look at The Master's vision and after my initial read of the first chapter I just felt the need to say something.
johntheirishmongol
538. Uzinator
Over all I liked it. I think Brandon has done the best he could given the circumstances--I know I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Anyway.

Some of the phrasing...well, some of it feels RJ and some of it feels...Sanderson, which is to be expected. My only complaint is that "the wind", I think, was somewhat over used. I don't recall RJ opening the first chapter with the wind "blowing" as far, if you will. I guess it's supposed to convey the broader scope in the state of things--with the Last Battle approaching...

Like I said, over all, I like it and can't wait to read the rest.
Carlos atayde
539. Cloudsky
The way it was written was great, but it did see kind of stiff? that's as close as I can explain it. I was expecting more from the other characters. Where is Mat? What is Perrin doing?

Also, the thought process seemed more random. like a line of consciousness. Rand stopped acting like a Farmer with a Good heart and just takes what is given to him. not like before that he had an internal conflict, or what felt like it, on the things he was getting. He used to try to BETTER the countries. now he jsut rules them. apparently he grew up.

Anyways I can't wait to read this book. I'm exited just reading this, even if it does have a different taste to it.

thank you Mr. Sanderson in advance, if you ever read this , for giving us WoT fans closure to this wonderful story line. been hooked on this book sense I found the first book "The Eye of the World" back when I was 8. I know there are others just as thankful as me.

Many thank yous and I can't wait.
Carlos atayde
540. Cloudsky
The way it was written was great, but it did see kind of stiff? that's as close as I can explain it. I was expecting more from the other characters. Where is Mat? What is Perrin doing?

Also, the thought process seemed more random. like a line of consciousness. Rand stopped acting like a Farmer with a Good heart and just takes what is given to him. not like before that he had an internal conflict, or what felt like it, on the things he was getting. He used to try to BETTER the countries. now he jsut rules them. apparently he grew up.

Anyways I can't wait to read this book. I'm exited just reading this, even if it does have a different taste to it.

thank you Mr. Sanderson in advance, if you ever read this , for giving us WoT fans closure to this wonderful story line. been hooked on this book sense I found the first book "The Eye of the World" back when I was 8. I know there are others just as thankful as me.

Many thank yous and I can't wait.
James Jones
541. jamesedjones
If anyone would like a brilliant idea on how to break Semi without crossing Rand's ethical lines, please check out Leigh Butler's latest WoT reread post (and just try to get the song out of your head). :D
Joe Cheverie
542. jc4166050
Well, I was going to hold off reading the Prologue and Chapter 1 until the entire book came out on 10/27. But like the rest of you, I couldn't resist either ;)

There will invariably be some differences in verbage and style between Jordan and Sanderson through the rest of this series. But in spite of that, I felt that Chapter 1 did a great job of bringing us right back into the series after a four year absence. The passage of the wind was a bit longer than normal, but this happened before when the wind started on Tremalking (either in Book 8 or 9, I can't remember offhand). At any rate, they do a good job of bringing us up to speed on current events, before settling in on Arad Doman.

Rand's interaction with Lews Therin was quite revealing, as were his own internal thoughts on the Forsaken. There were plenty of nuggets kicked off here that I believe will be central to the plot of this book.

Overall, I had no problem settling back into the world of WOT, despite any stylistic differences that existed when Sanderson penned his sections. To echo the thoughts of many others on this board, Sanderson is the perfect choice to complete this series. He truly cares about it as a writer and a fan, and I truly believe he will do these final books justice (no pun intended ;)

Now I'll have to reread the series in the intervening 36 days to keep from going crazy with the wait! ;)
tyler karnes
543. tak19
Felt more like the older books to me. I like that. Having a new narrator is going to change it up a bit, make it not go as slow as the last few books have. At least for me.
johntheirishmongol
544. Egwene
Thanks to all involved for giving us a free chapter ahead of the book and big thanks to BS for giving this the best shot. I may be a bit critical, but given that JR can't do it, having read 'Elantris' and the 'Mistborn series' I do think BS is the best alternative out there.

I did start reading the comments, but gave up after the first hundred or so. Still... lots of great observations to ponder.

With regards to the Brandon v Jordan writing style play-off I would say that they are two different writers and to my mind there should be a difference else the result would be a 'forgery' rather than 'an original in the style of...'. In that sense I was quite happy with this chapter.

One thing however, I really dislike in later books of an on-going series are re-caps, especially when the writer tries to 'sneak' them into the text. Unfortunately, there is a fair bit of that going on which did give me a bit of a negative first impression. I sincerely hope the rest of the book won't follow the first chapter in that regard. My preference is for writers to give a separate quick summary and leave the choice to the reader as to whether they want to make use of it.

The content... nice little appetizer, but too short to build an opinion of the book as a whole though together with some of the things that Jason mentions in his review on Dragonmount, leave me very optimistic indeed.

Rand and Egwene's relationship has been based on lack of communication between them from the start and circumstantial evidence has driven both of them to view the other more and more in a pretty negative light, so Rand's thoughts on that correctly follow the trend of previous books.

The sword turning out to be 'Justice' would be a good tie-in with the Seanchan which is why that theory gets my vote.

Graendal did NOT kill Asmodean! Whoever said this chapter proved it, suffers from delusions and if BS should write it that would only mean he must have stood too close to someone already infected by that nasty bug ;-)

Well, roll on publication date!!!
Alice Arneson
545. Wetlandernw
Egwene @ 544 - You might be interested to know what Mr. Sanderson said about the prologue and first chapter...
In the Wheel of Time novels, the prologue often focuses on a variety of different viewpoints aside from the main narrative, showing spots of what's happening around the world. The first chapter, then, focuses attention back on the main storyline. (It's not how Mr. Jordan always did it, but it was often the case.) And so the first chapter isn't intended to be filled with new revelations, but instead is a focus chapter, bringing attention away from all of those scattered viewpoints (often where revelations are made or plots are set up or resolved). I wouldn't say the first chapter is boring—I hope not to write boring chapters—but it's also not the most dynamic chapter, as it's fulfilling other purposes.
If you want to read the rest, it's right here.
kaelan
546. kalimanni
maybe its the sword that rand had initially (the one that he nicked from his father in emonds field)?

or does he still have it?
i forget
Alice Arneson
547. Wetlandernw
kalimanni @ 546 - That sword was broken back when he fought Ishy at Falme. Being Power-wrought, I doubt anyone in the Third Age would be able to reforge it. And he didn't nick it - his father gave it to him.
johntheirishmongol
548. Macglen
The voice is differant. I can definately tell that Brandon is trying to imitate RJ. He was a little flowery and stiff at the beginning, but as I progressed in the chapter I fealt that old feeling again. I fealt exhilarated and alive. My brain was on fire, trying to guess at what happens next. Brandon has, in my humble opinion, captured the point of view that I always knew as Rand Al'thor. I look forward to using my vacation time in October to take some time off and read this book with the thoroughness and zest That I have with all of the other novels in the series. Bravo! Keep up the good work!
johntheirishmongol
549. Avendoraldera
Is it just me, or does it feel like a big slap in the face for everyone that said this feels completely wrong, when BS has come out to say that the first chapter is one of the sections with the most RJ in it?

BS on First Chapter
johntheirishmongol
550. Avendoraldera
And a big slap in the face to me for getting it all wrong. Prologue, not first chapter, is mostly RJ.
Anette
551. Egwene
Wetlandernw@545
Thanks for that quote by Brandon. My point though wasn't about lack of new stuff or lack of excitement... in fact I made the point that I would not judge the book as yet precisely because plenty of great books start with a slow chapter to lead the reader into the story. I just felt there was a bit too much explaining/reminiscing going on. From the girls bond to how his hand got lost to Alivia helping him die and so on and so on. Also, I guess with a new author I was hoping he would take the best of RJ and maybe just maybe get rid of some of the albeit minor niggles. Like long 'the wheel turns' intros which I have to admit I always skim over and totally skip on the re-reads. But I guess having had all those previous observations by RJ, Brandon simply had to let Rand, again, think about how odd it is that Nyn is trying to kick the habit of tugging at her braid. And as I mentioned... this re-cap business is a bugbear I have with any writer... it isn't just singling out Brandon.
Jeremy Letner
552. Tristram
Good job to Brandon on this difficult task. It is never easy to work in the shadow of a former marvel such as Robert Jordan. I believe that he has done his very best under difficult situation, yet as I re-read this paragraph, I am certain that Mr. Jordan is proud of his work. Differences are expected and for me personally, prefered. If Brandon had tried to copy Mr. Jordan's voice, it would have ruined the story. They are two different men, and therefore have two different styles. I also believe that such an impersonation would be a dishonoring of Mr. Jordan.
Benjamin
553. bmaes2
Great job trying to fill the shoes of Robert Jordan. Granted, there is a slightly different voice to the characters due to a new author, but it is hardly noticable. I can't wait to read it.
Adam Loops
554. Cecero
Prediction:

The Shadow will kill Alanna (prbably via Graendal). This will cause Rand a LOT of emotional pain (and lets face it, the killing of a warder/aes sadai in the bonded relationship has been foreshadowed and a lot of time has been on it). Also, if the Shadow kills 1, then the others will fall like dominos (i.e. Rand would feel the pain, then all the others will feel Rand's pain). Think of how many major player's of the light would be basically out of commission? Rand, Elayne, Avienda and Min should Alanna be killed.
Michael Dolan
555. dizzle6579
The sword is the Dragon's sword. Rand saw it when in the history of the Aiel.
Fahad
556. Sultanfa
2 quick points:

For whoever read the prologue:

1. RJ definately wrote a lot of it. There is a distinct difference between the prologue and chapter 1. And it stands to reason that since he was writing the last book when he died, the prologue might be one of the first things he wrote for it.

2. Spoiler Alert: During the prologue, Moridin makes Demandred and Mesaana explain in front of Greandal what they have been up to and if everything is "ready". Demandred pretty much confirms what I posted on theoryland as a Taim theory 5 years ago!!!! Demandred has been using Taim as his "Proxy" to train dreadlords for the shadow to go against the good Ashaman at the last battle. There is no doubt about it.
Andrew Stephenson
557. AStephenson123
The sword is Justice, Arthur Hawkwing's sword. This has been confirmed by several reliable sources on Dragonmount.

It also appears in the prophecies of the dragon, if you look closely.
Joseph Blaidd
558. SteelBlaidd
AStephenson123@557.
The sword is Justice, Arthur Hawkwing's sword. This has been confirmed by several reliable sources on Dragonmount.


Linkage to posts please!

It also appears in the prophecies of the dragon, if you look closely.

Referance?
Will Gifford
559. MatrymTaim
This. Will. Be. AMAZING!!!! Cant wait till Oct 27!
Philip
560. Fai Mao
Rand could have also seen Hawkwing's sword at Falme. Didn't he talk to the heros of the horn at that time?
Austin
561. Zillamaster1
Wow im so stoked to be back to my favorite series. I thought you could definetly tell the diffrence in the writing style, but we aren't left hanging with no ending. So i can take the diffrence, its not like RJ's touch isn't there you can still feel it in the storyline.




As for the sword I agree he probably saw it at Falme. Then agian he could have seen it in one of his lucid dreams.


All I know is I know what I'm doing on Oct. 27
John Massey
562. subwoofer
Finally getting possession of my new house Oct 27- sign of things to come. Good to see all the people here offering their thoughts on the series. Perhaps joining us on the re-read that Leigh is doing, also on this site. C'mon, we don't bite... much.

Woof.
Cynthia Ahmar
563. tenkuu
418 @ Slashionista


"If the above quote is true they why are you typing anything at all? Apparently the shared opinion is not enough and what people say carries a tiny weight or you would not be so interested in posting replies."

**Because pointless negative comments are annoying, quite simply.

"Also, just to pick a nit about syntax, drop the honey and the dear. It is a bit too drunk fag to be taken seriously."

**Well, look at who I was replying to. It was appropriate for him.
Alice Arneson
564. Wetlandernw
Egwene @ 551 - I wasn't trying to tell you you were wrong or anything - just thought you might like to see some of what he had to say. The whole article was a fascinating read for me, and you sound like the kind of person who would enjoy it.
Cynthia Ahmar
565. tenkuu
Wetlandernw @ 423


"(Oh, btw, tenkuu, lighten up or drop it already. I've started skipping your posts, and for a compulsive read-every-word geek, that's pretty bad. Calm down. Go have a glass of port or something.)"

**I'm sorry, did you somehow get the false impression that I cared about anything you might have to say if it was pointless like the above? Get over yourself.
Cynthia Ahmar
566. tenkuu
chaddrag @ 443


"I think it's time to nickname Rand Stumpy. It'll keep me amused while he's in his depressed mood. Teens... "

**What do you mean, teens? By now Rand is in mid-twenties, or just about.
Cynthia Ahmar
567. tenkuu
Canadave @ 454


"If you have criticism of the writing, explain it. Maybe, just maybe, Brandon Sanderson might actually read your comments and attempt to adjust his style to please the readers who might feel as you do. Passing off his prose as childish or telling us how you'll suffer through it anyways only shows how unappreciative you are, and demonstrates a sense of entitlement to a story that you don't show enough respect for to deserve reading. Otherwise, like Rand, you will alienate the people who might share the experience with you, and like Rand you will lose all enjoyment in finishing this marvelous story."

**Thank you for saying this so much better than I ever could. I actually think the whining attitude is kinda childish, and extremely ungrateful, especially those people who have the gall to comment as if they were some kind of experts.
Cynthia Ahmar
568. tenkuu
Tru @ 490


"Starting a sentence with "And" simply made me shudder. The reference to "dangerous toughs"...what the?"

**I'm not sure what people find so odd or unacceptable about a sentence starting with "and", if that's what you meant. I kinda like the sort of foreboding feeling it gives, myself. As for the "dangerous toughs", what's so weird about it? Basically just refers to men who would attack anyone, perhaps to rob them.
Cynthia Ahmar
569. tenkuu
513 @ The Fisher King


"1 LTT - Crazy as ever (though I'm starting to wonder if maybe he's still smarter than everyone and he just SOUNDS crazy) but rather than seeming the crazy ranting of an ages-old madman they seemed to flow from Brandon as more the impatient whinings of a teenager. His rant about The Box seemed a bit overstated - almost like Sanderson put that in to show the fans he really really does remember all the key trumautic events...I HAVE TO SAY THOUGH that LTT'S thought on what went on with The Sealing and The prison were FASCINATING to me and gave me chills."

**I've never gotten the same feeling about Lews Therin as the other characters, even Rand, got. He never really seemed mad to me. I mean, everyone gets a little hysterical at times, and from Lews Therin's perspective, he isn't dead when he wants to be and has to live, so to speak, with what he knows he's done. Is he maybe a little off? Sure. But mad? I don't think so. His reactions seem to range between grief-stricken, annoyed, enraged, pensive and desperate. He seems to be mostly extremes with few in-betweens.

"2 Min...I love Min. Adore Min. If she dies I will kick my book from here to the North Pole in Rage. But...she seemed...NOT Alot off...just a Tiny bit off...and I honestly can't put my finger on why..."

**Maybe it's just that she was quieter than usual, and, for lack of a better word, less feisty.

"A few minor things...Rand always seemed to want to be as Hard as Rock, Stone, Granite etc...Steel seemes too...modern...too shiny..."

**I didn't think this was the first time that Rand was either being referred to, or thought of himself as, being hard as steel. Especially since blades are made of steel, and blades certainly exist in their time, so it doesn't seem modern at all to me.

"When Rand spoke out loud to LTT (the SECOND time in the series, NOT the first, and yes, I can prove it) I was like "HOLY COW" but the follow-up disapointed and surprised me a bit. I honestly feel that if Jordan had written this event that Cadsuane and Nynaeve would have been ON TOP of Rand in concern and worry in a split-SECOND. Their lack of reaction just seemed VERY out-of-character to me..."

**I think their lack of reaction *was* their reaction. As in, stunned silence. I think it was probably felt and understood that comforting or any type of concern was not what Rand would have wanted or needed in that situation, so they didn't do it.

"It seemed PERFECTLY Rand, and perfectly WOT when Rand was pointing out the discrepancy between the Wind and the Banners..."

** *nods* I've always seen Rand as both highly intelligent and extremely observant.
Slavica Mijovic
570. mlekce
I've been living with WOT for past 2 years, firstly, because I love those books, and secondly, because my job is to translate them on my language.

So, I'm really used to Jordan's style and sentence. And bit disappointed, I admit, that I can recognize difference even in second paragraph.

That's not saying that I don't like what I have read. No, it's fine, just... Well, it's not Jordan. Almost there, but not him. Still, I'm sure I'll enjoy in these books.
T C
571. Freelancer
dizzle6579@555

There are two swords mentioned during Rand's trip through the Ancestitron. First, the sword the Aiel youngsters refused to pick up in the bandit camp when they were rescuing the kidnapped sisters. Too indistinct to have been memorable. Second (though earlier in historical time) is Callandor being prepared by the Aes Sedai. The Dragon Banner is seen on the same table, but the sword is the crystal sword, not "the Dragon's Sword".


Sultanfa@556

There's no evidence to back up your conclusion. Not saying it isn't so, but Demandred refers to his rule, and his army. That in no way confirms that he's talking about the Black Tower. I believe the stronger evidence points to Taim being Moridin's protege, not Demandred's. The black and red motif everywhere at the BT(and put on display quite strongly in the prologue) is clear and distinct, and Demandred's ego wouldn't permit of him usurping it in favor of his own.
Torie Atkinson
572. Torie
@ 565-568 tenkuu

Please treat others with respect. Future comments that are merely insults to other commenters will be deleted--ad hominem attacks aren't tolerated here.
Thomas James
573. skinnybattlecow
Wow! Look at all the chatter. We're geeking out. Whether your a detractor or you believe BS is channeling RJ word for word, you all know your going to be up late and tired at work until you read and probably in some cases re-read every word of TGS. This is probably the most anticipated book release in history, if you exclude adolescents waiting for the next installment of HP. (I won't say the little warlocks name). I for one am looking forward to quiet nights, my pipe filled with tabac, a hot cup of caff, a hunk of bread and cheese and tired eyes and a stiff neck from reading all night sitting in my favorite chair. Game consoles around the world are going to finally get a well deserved rest. I feel as though we are all finally coming home to our own Emonds Fields'. It's bittersweet. Isn't it?
Amy
574. amysedai
I don't think Min was "wrong" about Moiraine. Remember the letter she wrote to Thom Merillin? She said that Thom and two other people have to go and get her, but she says there's no guarantee of success, only the guarantee that they can't succeed without Thom and two other people. Thom has already got Mat to agree to go. She's with the snakes and foxes and they will go to the Ghenji tower and get her. That's what I think. She fell through the ter'angreal with Lanfear. Lanfear is not dead and I don't think Moiraine is either.

As for Asmodean, RJ says he's "toast" and in FoH, the last chapter "Glowing Embers" (960-961 in the paperback version) there is a scene where he opens a door to go into a pantry and comes upon someone, we're not told whom, but RJ writes, "The word still hung in the air when death took him." I guess if Lanfear lives then it is possible that Asmodean lives, but I doubt it since it is my personal theory that Moridin/Ishamael is the one who killed him. Asmodean was no longer one of the Chosen and would laugh when they all died, we are told.
Amy
575. amysedai
I haven't read much speculation about Mat and Tuon's marriage and what that will mean for Tarmon Gai'don or for Seanchan relations with the world west of the Dragonwall. I, personally, am intrigued by all of this and would like to know what people are thinking out there. Mat is now Seanchan royalty and yet he despises the Seanchan, all except for his "precious" of course. What will this mean for the Return? Will they still go about trying to conquer these lands? What's Tuon going to be up to now once she secures the throne and gets all these nasty traitors under control? Does no one think it insane that the Seanchan go around extracting this vow of loyalty from all the lands they conquer, yet this vow was not (and NEVER will be) expected from their very own Prince of Ravens?!!

Oh, and anyone excited about Elayne's coronation? Just a formality, so they say, but I've already picked out my best silks to attend!

And jeez already, is Egwene EVER going to hook up with Gawyn? The dreams are all fun and games, but I'm SO ready for the payoff on that one!

Ready for Myrelle to give over Lan's bond.

Ready for Rand and Avi to get on making those triplets.

Ready for the Seanchan to start tripping over the fact that their sul'dam are really marath'damane. Now that Tuon has been "in the trenches" so to speak, and knows firsthand that these women can learn to channel or are already able to, they can't simply go on as before. I think Tuon has an integrity that the Empire didn't have before. Things will change, that much is certain. I don't see Mat sitting around dicing in Seandar common rooms while Precious is home exercising her pet damane, does anyone else? Although, he does have a "disliking," for lack of a better word, for Aes Sedai. Yet, he could not leave them collared when he left Ebou Dar...
F Shelley
576. FSS
Oh wow - are people still commenting on this?

@ Tenkuu - ...

@Amysedai on 574 - little bit of a mash-up on your part, I think. RJ said in an interview that Sammael was "toast", not Asmodean. Of course, he could have said it about both, but I remember the Sammael is toast answer about whether Mashadar really finished him off or not.

@549, then 550 - whew! I dislike egg on my face and that would have been awful!
Amy
577. amysedai
FSS @ 576

Sorry, I think you're right. But I do seem to recall something about RJ "confirming" that Asmodean was dead somewhere, just can't remember where because it was so long ago.
Adam Loops
578. Cecero
If I recall, in the prologue to LOC, didn't the Dark One state that Asmodian had died his final death?
Arden
579. arden
very nice, cant wait. yes you can tell the difference, but its not his fault he is dead. LONG LIVE THE DRAGON, for those of you that forgot Asmodean is dead
Steve McGuire
580. tnfsinger
@Amysedai 574-575
I personally agree with you.. I believe that both Moraine & Lanfear are still alive in Finnland. We know that Cyndane is Lanfear, and I think her lack of power is proof she is still alive. When all the others were resurrected, their soul (my own interpretation) was put into someone elses body, and they retained their strength. I think that only Lanfear's mind was transferred, since she is still alive, and she controls Cyndane like a puppet.
As for Adsmodean, yes RJ DID say he was gone. I linked to a quote from him on dragonmount saying so. He found it amusing that no one could figure it out, he thought it was pretty clear! LOL And he also did say that it WAS NOT MORIDIN. He said he would not be that cliche, with the whole "death took him" thing, and Moridin means death. Again, a linked quote on dragonmount. I dont have time to look it up and post it here, but I'm sure you could find it.
Michael Schaedler
581. mikes04239
Thank you: I have been waiting, seems forever, to ride with the golden crane. The wait is growing short and we can put out the campfires and dowse the coals and prepare to ride.
Fahad
582. Sultanfa
Freelancer@571

I respectfully disagree.

It was Demandred in Lord of Chaos who heard the Dark Ones orders at Shayul Ghul (LOC Prologue) to "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule"

The same words Taim utters and the end of Knife of Dreams. "Let the Lord of Chaos Rule"

There is a reason why for many years we had the "Taimandred" theories going around where everyone thought Taim was Demandred, but RJ has since admitted that is not true.

Its not true because Taim is working for Demandred to train his dreadlord "army. Think about it, "I prepare for war" Demandred said that. The preparations are the dreadlords Taim is training for him.

Moridin is involved like a high level CEO, because remember he gave orders to the dark ashaman Kisman in Winter's heart to "Kill him if you must but above all, bring all of his possessions to me" but that was after both Taim and Demandred told Kisman the same thing. To kill Rand.

Moridin is involved because Demandred reports to him about what is going on, just like he did in the prologue of The Gathering Storm.

We always knew that Taim and Demandred were connected somehow.
Taylor
583. Xellot
Although I'm only on The Shadow Rising, The Wheel of Time series has quickly become my favorite book series in the past few months.

To be entirely honest, I'm quite impressed with Brandon Sanderson; he managed to capture the essence of Randland, while still using his own voice. Even though everyone says/thinks they know Rand is The Dragon Reborn...I still say it's Mazrim Taim...no one messes with Taim.
johntheirishmongol
584. Michael the Dain
I agree with the comment that this first chapter was most likely already completed by RJ along with who knows exactly how many other chapters. We will have to wait until we can read them. I see no striking differences in the way this is reading thus far. It feels exactly like the direction RJ was going. I will pick it up as soon as it hits the shelf.
Richard Weeks III
585. DayTraitor
I can't wait for the audio to come out. Soon as it does i will download it from Audible; i will also buy the hardcover. This series may be the best series ever, even better than the Lord of the Rings. Though i never read the series.
alon shapiro
586. alon shapiro
tou haven't read the lord of the rings?
is that a joke?
you start from the lord of the rings it's basic
Conor Nugent
587. 68652678
rand better not go crazy too soon, although i am liking the fact we're getting extra nuggets of info from lews therin. What did he do wrong when he sealed the dark ones prison???
Roger
588. rsej5783
I think this needs to be rewritten...



Sorry, but I kept CRINGING everytime I read something that was so clearly an attempt to be RJ.



I mean, if you're writing a book for RJ, that's supposed to be by RJ - write it LIKE RJ!



NOT trying to write it like RJ, because 'it's not me' is a cop out.



Someone has to rewrite this exactly like RJ would have. Or come closer to it than this did.



I'm sorry dude, but this was a CRINGER. Wheel-of-Cringe. Tears from Cringing.



And I KNOW other people out there agree with me. Even if you all have vaginas and don't want to admit it.
j p
589. sps49
Where were the prose analysts when alreadymad was plagued by an an impostor? Allegedly :)
Rich Ruckel
590. baaneral
Wow.

Just Wow.

I just finished the entire series, from New Spring to KoD, then the prologue then this.

NOW WHAT DO I DO FOR THE NEXT BLOODY MONTH!!!!!!!!

Seriously, going through the whole thing like that, then directly into the new work, no pause, I have to say I don't think any of us will be disappointed. The differences were too minor to mention, let alone squabble over. I'm looking forward to seeing what Brandon does with it. I'm not going to try to pick out who wrote what parts, I'm just going to enjoy the story I've been reading and rereading for nigh on 20 years. Doesn't hurt that I have become a fan of Brandon's work as well though. Harriet chose well, and I think somewhere RJ is smiling, even if he's still grumbling about not finishing it himself.

Oh, and my mind keeps pulling up visions of a certain Aes Sedai getting her bacon pulled out of the fire by a certain young hooligan....


Patience all - 32 days to go......
T C
591. Freelancer
AmySedai, cecero, arden, Xellot, tnfsinger...

You should look into Leigh Butler's Re-read of the entire series right here on Tordot. Those issues about which you are conjecturing have been cussed and discussed at great length by a myriad of folks over the last 8 months.


Yes, the Dark One told Demandred that Asmodean "DIED THE FINAL DEATH", at the same time that he lamented that Rahvin was beyond his power to return to life.

Yes, Moiraine is alive and well and awaiting rescue in the Tower of Ghenjei.

No, Lanfear was killed by the 'Finn, and was restored by the Dark One into a new body with a new name, just as the others were. Lanfear could hardly be controlling Cyndane's body like a puppet, since she is mind-trapped by Moridin as is Moghedien. We will learn that there is another, more viable reason for Cyndane's reduced strength in the Power.


Xellot@583

Keep reading.


rsej5783

You do realize that when you say those things you are insulting RJ's widow. She is the senior editor of WoT, and no volume gets published without her acceptance that it is what it should be. I defer to her opinion that Brandon is faithfully portraying her husband's work as well as possible.


sultanfa@582

The order to "Let the Lord of Chaos rule" was passed to all of the forsaken. During several of the other's POVs, mention of serving chaos or of increasing chaos have been quite regular since then. So there is no distinction to identify who among them might have brought that phrase to Taim. Demandred saying "I prepare for war" does not in any way bridge to the conclusion that his army is that of the Black Tower. I don't say that is it impossible, but not evident. And I reiterate that Taim has adopted Moridin's theme, not Demandred's. You say "We always knew that Taim and Demandred were connected somehow", but you mean you always believed it. I smell the finest red herring ever cooked up. Prepare to be surprised.
J B
592. k2432
I don't want to read chapter 1 or 2 right now because I want to read the Prologue first. However, I do not want to pay for the prologue 2 times. Its very very frustrating that the first 2 chapters are free but we have to buy the prologue.
T C
593. Freelancer
pablodefendini@517

I just happened to scroll back and catch your comments here, and wanted to say that it was Salvatore that caused me to jump from pure SF to Fantasy. I was waiting in a bookstore for a friend to get off work nearby, and grabbed Exile off a shelf and took in about 45 pages before realizing it. Nobody does a battle scene like Bob Salvatore, and once I realized it was a second book of a set, I put it down and bought Homeland, and got hooked.

Of course, I had read Tolkien when younger, and the Chronicles of Narnia, but I was raised on Verne and Van Vogt, Bradbury and Asimov, et al., and was always more drawn to the pure SF.

So trust me when I say you won't be disappointed once you get started in on The Eye of the World.
Roger
594. rsej5783
Freelancer:


As much as it pains me, this isn't like RJ. Even if RJ's widow did give it the all clear, it doesn't make this chapter any more RJ than my dancing around a witch-fire at night would.


I know alot of people are hurting a little inside right now. Obviously, I'm still going to buy the book - I can't exactly move on with my life if I don't know how it all ends - but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed. Even a little.


I'm sorry Branderson, but you should have tried 110% to be like RJ. To write like him 110%. To BE RJ 110%.


Props for taking on the task. But I just... really would have liked an RJ-ish version of this story to have taken place. You know?


I know, it's selfish, insulting, blah blah. But aren't I allowed to have wanted RJ to have written this story?
Teena Nunn
595. TNunn
I am fairly sure we ALL wish he could have finished the story. But alas that was not to be.... He will forever be missed and his fans will always wonder what WOT would have been if he had been able to finish the series.

That said...

It is like buying a "new" pair of your favorite “old” shoes...

The old ones are super comfy and over the years have almost become a part of you and the new ones although in the same style, color and size need a bit of getting used to and breaking in to feel comfortable...

I believe by the time we get a few chapters in we will be so caught up in the revelations the story brings to find ourselves noticing the small difference and that the new style and voice will be the one ringing true instead of feeling slightly uncomfortable as it did in our first read-through…. . (and yes even I smiled and shook my head at a few of what I saw as "un-Jordan like" phrasing or adjectives)but we knew NO ONE would/could EVER replace the "voice" of Robert Jordon but I for one am grateful that B.Sanderson tried and seems to have done a satisfactory job with what I have read so far. My fingers are crossed I will be able to up the satisfactory rating to superb once I have finished the book! CAN’T WAIT!!
James Jones
596. jamesedjones
595 TNunn

"...his fans will always wonder what WOT would have been..."

I sounded this out in my head as I read it. All of a sudden, the rest of your post had a British Accent. :D
Teena Nunn
597. TNunn
596 jamesedjones

Wow, really? I am married to a Brit, and I accuse him of having lived here so long he has lost most of his accent! Perhaps I have located it…. in my writing at least... :-)~
Dean Carlson
599. viseroy
Well I liked it alot. I too noticed a differen e right off the bat. But once we got to the characters, I was hooked in again. I think Brandon is going to do this work justice.

A month away... I can't wait
Ferron Reyes
600. ferrondr
Its very different then Robert Jordans, its really to bad that he died, hes writings were awesome, the difference is huge between Anderson, and Jordan, you can see how he's trying to write like Jordan.


But he did a good job
Anewby Chipbody
601. Anewby
AWESOME, Great job RJ/BS! Will be at the midnight release. It will be awesome.
Thanks for taking on this task Brandon!

I know you have a lot of critics constantly complaining, but they need to realize that there is nothing better that can be done. RJ didn't finish writing it and we will never see his exact version. I'm so glad they chose you to finish it. Can't think of anyone who could do a better job.

Again, well played, Mate.
Teena Nunn
603. TNunn
Just had a thought....
The weapon was long, slightly curved, and the lacquered scabbard was painted with a long, sinuous dragon of red and gold


if I remember correctly (and I claim no great memory so please step in here if I am wrong)

The Seanchan lacquered everything from their fingernails to their furniture... so I am leaning toward the sword having come from or through them...

Now to contradict myself...
How odd, that they should find this now, he thought, and make a gift of it to me, completely unaware of what they were holding


If the Seanchan "ignored his requests for a meeting" how/when would they have given it to him? And as someone wrote earlier, if it was the sword "Justice" if anyone were to know what that sword looked like, surely the Seanchan would.... then again he comments on it being odd....hmmmmm

I feel I am being teased with just enough information to make me extraordinarily curious but not enough to be able to state my predictions without doubts creeping in.... way to keep the suspense going! So here is my “Bravo”!(through teeth gritted and fingers drumming in anticipation)

One more "quick" question... I seem to remember… (here is my bad memory in action)… a conversation or memory from a females perspective stating why the female Aes Sedai disagreed with how LTT wanted to seal the breech in the DO's prison and why they refused to help... I am in the middle of my 3rd series re-read and half way through CoS and my memory is bad enough that I am fairly sure I am remembering it from this read through …..so it would be in one of the first 7 books.... It was probably a female forsaken speaking as they are the only ones who would "remember"? but that is an educated guess as they are the only ones who would remember.
Anomander Raake
604. mistborn
i like Brandon Sanderson style..(read the Mistborn series) but the only major difference in voice or prose is in Lews Therin's voice...its different somehow...he appears more normal...nt as mad as before...
Anomander Raake
605. mistborn
and for ppl that cant wait...try out Steven Erikson's Malazan Series!!!!!they are good...
T C
606. Freelancer
@594

No, you aren't. The fantasy is in the books, not in real life, so get over it.

Also, no, I don't think very many people are "hurting inside" because they aren't reading exactly what they envisioned they'd read. I think you have pre-determined that what you read can't be good enough because Mr. Jordan is gone, and you are going out of your way to try and get others to agree with you.

To compare, I was extremely unimpressed by the post-Frank Dune books. Then again, the quality and style of the story had been falling during the last three books written by the elder Herbert anyway, but the change to a different author was very marked.

I personally find a much smoother transition to Brandon's work, and noted how similar much of his method was to RJ's when I first read Elantris. (The differences were noted as well, but the capture of themes and threads was clearly inspired by Jordan). Knowing that reality is reality, I brought no strong expectations of what exact sentence structure I'd be faced with come these final volumes, so I am not disappointed, because the story remains the same. That you chose to have such unrealistic expectations leaves you with your pain. Your choice.


ferrondr@600

Anderson? You could at least get the author's name right while you're throwing him a bone of "But he did a good job".


TNunn@603

Actually, the Seanchan wouldn't have the first clue what Hawkwing's sword looked like. He didn't cross the Aryth Ocean, his son Luthair did. That said, I am far from convinced that the sword is Justice. I'm fine with believing this tidbit is a pure RAFO.

Regarding the split between male and female Aes Sedai over how to end the war of Power, read The Strike at Shayol Ghul, a short by Jordan which provides some AoL details of these events, and is canonical in terms of the overall WoT story.
Deborah Kay-Morgan
607. moondivatx
@ 594

WOT is a passion with most of us and not a platform for 15 minutes of fame. The reality is that RJ is not here to write the finished story...he did do everything possible to leave enough information so another author could finish the story AFTER his coffin was nailed SHUT.

The end result here is finding out the rest of the story. As RJ would say "Read and find out." No clone novel has been promised...just the rest of the story.

Blessing all...27 October is coming!
Sam
608. brwdog
Does anyone think that Rand could use Semi as a bargaining chip for a truce with the Seanchan? They would surely want to put hands on Radhanan's assasin, and Rand might be willing to allow her rendition to the tower of ravens, thus allowing him to avoid involvment in the harming of a woman.
carlton grant
609. bajangrant
wouldn't some balefire when they are finished questioning her return Rand's hand?
johntheirishmongol
611. pffter
Freelancer @591

First ever post posing non-TGS question on TGS thread, haha.

**No, Lanfear was killed by the 'Finn, and was restored by the Dark One into a new body with a new name, just as the others were. Lanfear could hardly be controlling Cyndane's body like a puppet, since she is mind-trapped by Moridin as is Moghedien. We will learn that there is another, more viable reason for Cyndane's reduced strength in the Power**

Since Moghedien has had no apparent decrease in strength in the Power, I suppose we can assume that lanfear/Cyndane's reduced strength is not an effect of the Mindtrap, or that it was a specific intention on the DO's part to bring her back in such form (although she deserved certain punishments in his eye's i'm sure).
Can we then postulate that because Lanfear was killed in "Finn-land", with it being in/connected to TaR, the DO's powers are diminished to an extent in this realm and this is why the Cyndane reincarnation is weaker?

Thoughts?
T C
612. Freelancer
pffter@611

Some theorize that the DO's power is greater in T'a'R, some that it is lesser. We have no solid foundation for basing theories on either, that I can see.

We know via Halima that the physical body isn't part of the equation, since he/she/it still channels saidin from a woman's physique. Therefore Cyndane's new body has no part of her current strength.

Some suggest that her strength is not in fact diminished, but that she doesn't want herself identified early on. Why doesn't she come out and declare herself Lanfear when first introduced to the others by Moridin? And if she wants her past identity hidden, how easy would that be if all the other femsaken could sense her strength? They all know that she was the strongest female channeler alive. Jordan has confirmed that it is not only possible to hide your ability to channel, but to disguise your strength, so this makes more sense to me than any other theory.

If that isn't the case, I submit this. Lanfear was channeling for all she's worth through an angreal when she and Moiraine fell through the doorway into the Tower of Ghenjei. A postulation more Occam-friendly is that she suffered some damage to her ability in the feedback of Power activity which was strong enough to literally melt the doorway ter'angreal. Remember Egwene's experience in the Acceptitron with the T'a'R ring nearby, causing disharmonic resonances and Power feedback that made three Aes Sedai struggle to keep the link open with the world inside the ter'angreal.
T C
613. Freelancer
molasas@610

As I linked in my comments @591, the WoT re-read and discussion can be found HERE

Be advised, that forum is a virtual black hole for fantasy readers. Get close enough and the gravity will never let you go.

Also, be advised, never click a link from commenter R.Fife
Alice Arneson
614. Wetlandernw
Freelancer @ 612 - Wasn't there also some discussion of Lanfear being burnt out because (along with falling through the ter'angreal doorway) she had been channeling maximum saidar through an angreal and Moiraine snatched it away from her in the tackle?
Wendy Churchill
615. LadyTaurean
Freelancer @ 612 - If I remember correctly, Nynaeve thinks of something torn when Delving Logain just before she heals him. What if Lanfear's ...whatever.. is not torn all the way, but there is a small tear in it? Kind of like a muscle tear or strain? So, she can still channel, but not at her former strength because the area that gives the ability is strained. When I strained a muscle it took me a couple of months to fully recover, it seems logical to me anyway.

Just my opinion...
Alice Arneson
616. Wetlandernw
LadyTaurean @ 615 - It may be possible, but there's no textual evidence to support it. Yet, anyway. It's also possible that in the huge power surge from Lanfear, her angreal, the doorway, and Moiraine's physical contact with Lanfear, somehow a portion of Lanfear's strength was transferred to Moiraine. That way we'd have the fun of seeing her come back stronger than anyone, which would be fun. However, there's no textual evidence for that possibility either. We don't know much about how things work in *Finnland, so we can only speculate. I really hope that we get answers sometime in the next two years (maybe even in the next month!), but we also know there are questions that will be left unanswered.

The one thing we do know, and the reason I made the suggestion @ 614, is that drawing too much of the Power can burn you out. We've also had at least hints that if your link to an angreal is broken while you're drawing extra Power through it, you can be burnt out by the backlash.
Wendy Churchill
617. LadyTaurean
Wetlandernw - very true, it was just a crazy theory that I thought up while wasting time at work :)

Your theory would be super awesome tho!!!
Alice Arneson
618. Wetlandernw
LadyTaurean - aren't crazy theories fun? I just thought of that one while I was typing (though I'm sure someone has posed it somewhere else - theoryland or something). Wouldn't it be fun?
Sean Kim
619. DaLoneWolf
I think that some of the insults are unnecessary. Most people have a unique style of writing which is difficult to copy. Brandon Sanderson is trying his best to write a story and I for one think it's discourteous to insult him. Obviously there's going to be differences in writing style, but he's trying to keep the differences to a minimal. So just try to accept the changes in writing and you'll have a much better time reading the book.
Brian Dunton
620. dunton170
Freelancer@612

I would think that a more likely result in the resonant disharmony parallel to the Acceptitron example would be the power being burnt out for those in question in both that event and in Moirane and Lanfear's case going through the doorway. It's not completely unsound, it just seems more likely one would be stilled, not "powered down" as it were.
I do like the idea of Cyndane hiding her strength on purpose, but then Moridin would have to know, and I just can't bring to myself to headily jump in to those possibilities! This seems simplest and most plausible, plus it opens a few interesting possibilities.

Wetlandernw@614

Is there evidence in the text that supports a severed and dead Chosen being brought back by the DO? Both severed AND dead of course. I just can't fathom the DO being able to undo the severing if this ability was only recently discovered by Nynaeve. Also, I would think, the ability to link to the OP and/or TP would be critical in the DO's ability to bring someone back. If he can, I suppose we can only assume he has always been able to do this and purposely withheld how to heal severing from the Chosen all the way back in the War of Power (which just doesn't seem likely to me, but possible). And of course, unless it's in the text otherwise ;)

Lady Taurean@615

Ah, were it only that simple I probably wouldn't obsess over these books :)
Brian Dunton
621. dunton170
BTW pffter was me. I guess I wasn't logged in when posting. Took too much time reading the million friggin' comments leading up to it!
Roger
622. rsej5783
You know, I think alot of people here are trying their best to put a good face on this.


And that's okay. Nothing wrong with trying to put a good face on it.


But just because you're going to try and force yourself to like something, doesn't mean that I should.


I've read the original series TOO many times in the past 6 months to simply be able to 'wish' away the difference between Jordan and Sanderson.


The difference is there. It's noticeable and glaringly so. And I don't understand, why are people so afraid of admitting that they don't LIKE that difference?


You're not going to go to jail for not liking it. And it's not morally wrong either.


I'm not so perfect that I care to act all noble and mighty about the 'legacy' of Robert Jordan or the choices his wife made for the writer of these final books.


I can admit it. This chapter made me cringe. I've read Knife of Dreams about 8 times in the past 5 weeks. 8 TIMES. And this continuation...


Truth be told, I've read fanfics that came out closer to RJ's style. And as scary as it is for you guys to admit it, half the beauty of a novel, half the pull and half the grip of a great story IS a writer's style.


Hm. You know what?

If ANYONE can post up a fanfic version of this chapter... or write it closer to RJ's style than what I've read... I would be WILLING to give that person $10. (Via Paypal). As long as when I read it, it makes me go 'ahhhhhhhhhhhhh' and sigh in relief at getting my RJ fix.

P.S That reward is serious. $10 to whoever can rewrite this chapter, RJ style.
James Jones
623. jamesedjones
622 rsej5783

Wow. I just realized that you have NO idea how offensive you are. $10?!?! Seriously?! Go insult someone else.
Pradeep Sekar
624. pradeep_sekar
Feels wrong - RJ usually picked a person and narrated from his/her POV. Here, the narrator feels like an anonymous person... Will take some time to get used to it I guess (hope)
Farris
625. Ferolakra
I am happy to have read this first chapter, and I just can't express all these feelings I'm having after reading this chapter. There's mourning for RJ, ellation for the release of Gathering Storm, and a feeling of loss that we will never read another book written by Robert Jordan.

I'm a late comer to this series as I first began and finished the WoT series in early 2007. And I will always be thankful towards my sister for giving me a copy of The Eye of the World, because she thought I might like it.
Wesley Parish
626. Aladdin_Sane
FWLIW, I read the first chapter of the first Mistborn book today, and can say quite truthfully, it was better than I thought. It was a consistently well-written story, the characters were well-written, and the events believable - as long as you understood that there was magic involved. I particularly loved the way it was introduced - Kelsier burned Tin.

That said, I will reiterate what I have said before this - this isn't RJ's style. Some things catch one's eye more than others - the wind and the use of "indelible" where it didn't fit. I hope that BS (not the most appealing abbreviation of a name) will take in what we say and improve. Writing in someone else's style is difficult - I've always failed myself; I can't manage it even copying verbatim. All we're asking is that he get it edited, trimmed back so it won't grate.
Maiane Bakroeva
627. Isilel
Dunton 170 @620:

Is there evidence in the text that supports a severed and dead Chosen being brought back by the DO?

Well, Aginor/Osan'gar may qualify. He did lose control of saidin before dying, after all.

Also, would teh DO want the Chosen to know that? It might have made them more careless. I also don't remember if they knew about transmigration of souls beforehand either.

Personally, I'd hate it if Moiraine gets burned out and needs to be healed, etc. There were enough complications that slowed plot progression to the crawl in the previous volumes - I want grand and significant events now! I wouldn't want Mo to become stronger either, but to acquire AoL knowledge of channeling and trump her opponents by cleverness, speed and skill.
Roger
628. rsej5783
623 jamesedjones:

Woah there superstar. You have no idea how offensive you are. Seriously. $10? I know people who can live a WEEK (happily) off $10. Yep, that's right, not every country in the world thinks $10 is petty. So stfu.

BUT - I do want someone to try and write some fanfic version of this chapter. I would have hoped they'd do it largely FOR the desire to honour RJ in their own little way. My $10 would simply have been an ancillary addition to that goal.

But maybe, I'll up it a tad.

$100 AUD (Australian Dollars) via Paypal to whoever writes the most RJ-like version of chapters 1 and 2. An RJ version that makes me go; "WOW. If I didn't know any better - I would say this IS RJ!". I will judge the work myself. If it's as good as I hope it is, bam. $100 in your Paypal account. P.S This isn't a contract or legally binding reward offer. This is purely a gentleman's agreement. Nothing in this statement is legally binding in any way at all on me or others.

So there you go. If it's a good version, I will, as a gentleman, honour the reward and pay you (GLADLY) $100 for a version of those two chapters that makes me think 'This IS Robert Jordan'.

If this peeves you somehow, I don't care. Go cry somewhere else. I WANT something that sounds like RJ. Heck, if it's THAT good - I'll make sure the winner's version gets shared around. Whatever.

I just want RJ back. Failing that, whatever is closest that I can get my hands (and eyes) on.
Torie Atkinson
629. Torie
@ rsej5783 and @ jamesedjones

Don't attack each other, please--let's move on from this squabble.
James Jones
630. jamesedjones
628 rsej5783

Sorry about the overall implication. It was just the amount that peeved me. You were saying that an individual effort to emulate the master would be worth less than a hardback book.

I wasn't upset that you were disappointed with the work on the next novel. We each have our own expectations. Mine are considerably lower than most of those out there (I have to check out the 13th depository to catch the actual literature involved).

On a side note, please be careful with your offers. $100 is much less offensive, but you are dabbling in an area that Tor could consider illegal (on their own website). I'm just sayin'.

629 Torie

Sorry, Torie. No more responses. Scout's honor.
T C
631. Freelancer
rsej5783

You completely fail to get my previous comment. Whatever the value of your "offer", it is an insult to both Harriet and Brandon, and even if I thought myself a competent author (as you don't think Brandon) I wouldn't attempt to meet your challenge if the offer was half a year's pay, out of respect for those two who have worked very hard to bring us, the readers, the conclusion of a twenty-plus year saga, which they are doing in honor of RJ, and out of respect for us. (How's that for run-on, Leigh?)

And by-the-by, folks who have the leisure to lurk on literature sites from their computers, probably aren't within the category of thinking $10 very much money. Next, anyone who would be capable of writing "RJ-quality" fanfic could easily earn far more than even your offered $100AUD. So yes, your offer remains an insult in both ways.

I say these things not as an attack on you, but as a description of facts, and mean no offense.
Andrew Vargas
632. machin-shin
hmmm, it captures a bit of jordans style, but it seems more sanderson. not bad, just not rj.

its still awesome. im sticking with wot till the bitter end.
Mike McD
633. msmcdon
on the audio version: it's like hearing Optimus Prime read WoT...
j p
634. sps49
Dagnabit, hardly any game in the NFL today went the way I wanted.

Re: Cyndane- From other text information given, her lower power level could be apparent with the power-disguising weave, or actual as a result of severing and Healing by a female channeler. Everything else is supposition (even though I believe some of the supposition likely, we have zero evidence in the text).

Her new body could be the result of DO reincarnation (like the 'Gars and Moridin- and is Aginor back yet?) or OP (TP?) disguise. I am sure we will find out. I miss Lanfear, she was crazy fun.
Roger
635. rsej5783
Freelancer:

You do realise that they are getting paid for doing the WOT novels, right?
Drew Riley
636. drewoftherushes
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else really feel the way rsej5783 feels? It seems like a few people are slightly disappointed but are willing to get over it, and a lot of people are noticing differences but not minding very much. But does anyone really think this is just trash (not what he said verbatim, but I believe an accurate paraphrase) and would rather read fanfiction?

Just curious.
John Massey
637. subwoofer
Sorry folks, went out of town for a wedding. Wife's idea. It was fun? Meh.

@rsej5783 - all +/- comments aside, I just want to know how you managed to read KoD 8 times in the last 5 weeks let alone multiple reads of the series in the last six months( sadly I consider myself fortunate if I get through the series once a year). I personally am very interested in the speed reading course you took. I took one awhile ago but it just let me skim and not much retention with details which WoT is full of. Either that or you have a ton of time on your hands to sit down and read;)

@sps49- didn't see the Bengals coming did ya? Detroit netted one too. Go Giants!

I was just pondering on the power level thing myself. What is the purpose of limiting a person's power beyond what Lanfear did to Asmo? SH already has the woman's heart in his hand and can end life instantly, why bother with the power? The Forsaken still need their power to topple Rand and Co., so what would be gained from imposing a power limiter?

Woof.
Joshua Myatt
638. hollowpoint372
I love the new WOT style and good job for Sanderson for making the story his own. Trying to imitate RJ's style would be an insult to his memory. I think a new perspective in the series will be refreshing. The WOT series is going to change and it will be for the better. Way to go Sanderson!
Phillip Needham
639. Horse soldier
Finally after waiting so long I don't care whose voice it is. I only hope something happens to those obnoxious women especially Egwene.
j p
640. sps49
Subwoofer- Going to a wedding is fun for men only if you are single . Stoopid Steelers, but good for the poor li'l Lions. But aren't you Canadian? Go watch your own football league! (kidding!)

Reading speed- I was never a "speed reader" of the classic type, but I do read fast. Reading Knife of Dreams (or any book) eight times in 5 weeks, though, is something I could do but won't ever. Ack! I do remember bringing home Clancy's Debt of Honor in the afternoon and didn't put it down until finishing at 4:00 AM.
Birgit
641. birgit
wouldn't some balefire when they are finished questioning her return Rand's hand?

It would have to be very strong. How far back a thread is erased depends on the strength. If he had balefired her immediately after losing his hand, that would have returned it.
Rob Munnelly
642. RobMRobM
@634 and 637. I'm on a hot streak in my football pool, in which we pick every game against the point spread and win prizes if you get the high score in a given week (out of 50-plus participants) and top 5 overall at end of season. I won the first week, tied for second last week, and if Carolina beats the spread tonight and total points are
Julia Nepper
643. SilentScientist
It's been a couple days since I last read these comments, so if I copy somebody, I'm sorry.

@ 522:
Is it possible that Galad is Rand's blood at Shayol Ghul? "Elayne. She was distant, far to the east, but he could still feel her bundle of emotions in his head. At such a distance, it was dif?cult to tell much, but he thought she was . . . relieved." That makes me think maybe Elayne has already given birth.

@ 575:
Quadruplets :) Also, I wonder what would happen if Rand finds out Mat married Tuon?

@ 578 and 591:
Rahvin.

I'm curious to see what Cadsuane is capable of doing to make Rand "laugh and cry". I wonder if she'll kill Alanna? Can't wait to find out!
Roger Powell
644. forkroot
Freelancer@612
Some suggest that her strength is not in fact diminished, but that she doesn't want herself identified early on. Why doesn't she come out and declare herself Lanfear when first introduced to the others by Moridin?
There was a Cyndane POV just before she battles Alivia (in WH) where she realizes that Alivia is stronger than she (Cyndane/Lanfear) was before she was held by the Finn. This almost certainly implies that she has been weakened somehow during that time.

drewoftherushes@636
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else really feel the way rsej5783 feels?
No, mainly because I don't spend a lot of time regretting what cannot be. As Freelancer and others have pointed out, having RJ finish the series is not an option. If someone wants to start an interesting argument, then claim that Brandon Sanderson is (or is not) the best choice to finish the series, bring in some supporting evidence, and let the discussion rage.
Roger Powell
645. forkroot
I also need to add that Sanderson is not "going it alone" on finishing the WoT series, he has Harriet and the brain trust to provide checks and balances should he stray off the plot line. Presumably Harriet will also catch any inappropriate colloquialisms.

*** ALERT: MISTBORN SPOILER ***
I did get a good laugh while reading the Mistborn trilogy though. At one point, Elend points out that Vin has killed his father, his brother, and his fiancee and calls it a "homicidal hat trick". It was a really funny line, but a bit jarring as there had been no mention of ice hockey in the Mistborn world.
T C
646. Freelancer
SilentScientist@643

The relief Rand senses from Elayne is her being rescued by Birgitte, Charlz Guybon's troops and the Windfinders. The irony is perfect that he interprets the emotion to mean that her Succession is going well, when it merely means she's finally out of danger. By the timeline, she should have another couple of months before giving birth.


On speed-reading, or high-volume reading. First, I decided immediately that I wasn't going to ask the obvious question that arises on this topic. And I won't. I don't read especially swiftly, but I do read for significant stretches. Red Storm Rising in a few hours over two days as the extreme example, but I have gone through all of WoT including New Spring in under 7 weeks, so reading KoD 8 times in 5 weeks is certainly plausible. Can't myself imagine one useful reason for doing so, but there it is.

Next, while the overarching story of the Wheel of Time is the most fully-realized saga I've ever been immersed in, from a myriad of perspectives, I don't hold Robert Jordan to be the finest author I've ever read. ::begins edging toward the bunker:: Acknowledging the unprecedented number of historical, mythical, geopolitical and sociological elements brought to bear; the immensity of interwoven storylines and mythology parallels; the depths of intrigue, suspense, and drama, with healthy servings of humor and lightheartedness folded in, there have always been aspects of Jordan's storytelling that were clearly not as adroit as some authors.

I don't care. If the telling can bring me suspension of disbelief, and pull me into the world being drawn, I'm a happy camper, and Jordan was, if not the finest, among the finest at doing so. Among all of the fantasy lit I've read, Brandon Sanderson is easily within that category as well. As I've said before, only Warbreaker gave me any difficulty in the reading, and that was due to the number of proofreading errors in the online Word Doc version. Elantris and the Mistborn books all have very tightly woven stories with strong threads, and many similarities to Jordan's methods.

If someone out there feels like writing and publishing a high-quality original story, and it captures my imagination as well as either Jordan or Sanderson, I'll buy a copy. Not exactly challenging, I know, but it's honest.
Jay Dauro
647. J.Dauro
forkroot @645

Yes, the "hat trick" could be seen as a bit jarring. But I did find it amusing. And while we in the US most often associate it with hockey, it is actually used in many sports. According to Wikipedia, it originated in Cricket. Who knew?
Nidya Zamarron
648. hrpu
Has anyone read "Stryke at Shayol Ghul?" If not, now is the time! Just google it.

Definately not RJ's voice and it's even more noticeable when BS does any kind of description.

BS said that RJ wanted us to know who killed Asmodean, so maybe he will tell us in this book! I asked him at one of his signings last year, so, even if it's not in this book, it will be in one of the other two.
Phillip Needham
649. Horse soldier
I downloaded the original Strike at Shayol Ghul a couple of years ago. I can't seem to download this latest one. Then again I am down under.
T C
650. Freelancer
hrpu@648

No clue what makes you think Strike at Shayol Ghul wasn't written by Robert Jordan. It was written in 1996 as a short to provide extra body to the history of events explaining how and why the world of WoT is in it's present condition.

There is no mention via google, amazon, Tor or Brandon's own website that he has written any sidecar pieces for WoT. In the first place, why re-write a piece, especially an info-dump short piece, that's already ten years old? And with all the projects Brandon has committed to, there's little room for second-tier work while trying to finish the main sequence novels for WoT.
F Shelley
651. FSS
On the whole Cyndane's stregnth thing. Here's my thoughts from another WoT Board:

I don't think there's enough info through book 11 to posit a well developed theory, but if you want my $.02, here you go:

We know that stregnth in the Power among female channelers is dependent upon 2 things: inherent strength of the channeler, and age. No matter their potential, no matter how much they "push", there is a limit on female channelers that they must grow into their full stregnth over years. There is no data that this is a function of "soul" or "body". If we can assume for a moment that it is function of body, then perhaps the Cyndane body is simply too young for Lanfear's full strength. After all, Graendal's thoughts are about Cyndane's present strength, not her potential...
Roger Powell
652. forkroot
Ah! The US Mail has brought me goodies today. Thanks to some creative dumpster diving by a profiteer who shall not be identified, I now have some drafts by Brandon Sanderson that were written before Harriet edited them. Just as I suspected, Harriet has improved things.

It turns out that Brandon's 4th paragraph in Chapter One would have read:
The wind swirled and danced through the wide squares where vendors called from push-carts to hawk their wares. Food was increasingly scarce, and the lowly turnip carts with their sad vegetables still attracted more of a crowd than the souvenir carts. A brace of leeks sold now for 4 coppers - twice the price of a simple T-shirt that sported "Grandpa and Grandma visited Tar Valon and all I got was this lousy T-shirt".
Andrew J
653. Waitingforthenextpost
@ 648

What are you talking about? That was written something like a decade ago! Definitly RJ material.
T C
654. Freelancer
FSS@651

Interesting thought. However, well-training Saidar-wielders can gauge a young channeler's potential as well as their current strength. So even if what you say is so, we would get Graendal wondering at this raven-haired chit with Lanfear's potential, if not her strength.
Tess Laird
656. thewindrose
Freelancer - I didn't know you were a dissident of the bunker. We may need to talk to rfife and get this thing built out!
TW L
657. Shadow_Jak
There were a couple of mentions in the series that Lanfear may have been as strong as it was possible to be in the OP. Always made me wonder if that meant that maybe she had some sort of artificial enhancement. (kind of a One Power boob job)
Like maybe having that 'gap' bridged with both Saidin and Saidar? Just a thought
F Shelley
658. FSS
@654 - Fair point, but I can't remember Graendal's thoughts being shown in regards to Cyndaene. Can you point me in the right direction? I only remember one of the other Forsaken (Demandred? Osangar) thinking one of the female Forsaken (I thought Graendal)said she was not as strong as Lanfear, which could just be typical Forsaken games (i.e. not saying anything about her potential). If there's a female Forsaken internal thought about her stregnth, I've simply forgotten (it happens with CoT and KoD).
F Shelley
659. FSS
Well, I didn't need to say that twice.
William Fettes
660. Wolfmage
Shadow_Jak @ 657

Yes, there is a theory about this involving the Finns. I'm not sure if I buy it personally, but her phrasing during the confrontation with Alivia in WH is certainly odd.

You would think she would be more direct in her thoughts if the impossibility of it was just the sheer percentile strength of Alivia's channelling. Because we know Alivia is already very strong, and using a decent angreal, it would be off the charts. Therefore, a more obvious response would be that nobody could channel this much unaided. But she doesn't think that.

I guess it also comes down to whether Lanfear was assessing Alivia's strength independently of the angreal? Obviously a woman's Saidar glow and the force of her weaves will give you an idea of angreal-aided strength, but can women still sense the natural strength through that? I can't see why not if they are close enough, unless their sensitivity is overpowered by overwhelming channelling like through a sa'angreal.

I know that men can't tell the difference when they are holding the power near each other, so when Rand fills himself with Saidin through the fat little man near Taim, it must have scared the hell out of Taim for a bit.
John Massey
661. subwoofer
All I have to say is that the pool table stays. Only thing that makes the bunker livable. Okay, maybe the big screen is a plus. Okay, okay, and the hot tub too. Let's keep a lid on this though.

Thanks for the link Free- I've been on that site tons and have not come across that. Silly me.

@thewindrose- you thought those were real?

@forkroot- yes, a lousy t-shirt. For all the sheep herders out there.

Woof™.
Eyal
662. hidra2000
there seems to be a slight typo near the beginning of the chapter.

it says:
"Each of the four women would regret their decision to bond him."

as far as i know he's bonded to three women, not four.
T C
664. Freelancer
hidra2000@662

Yep, Rand's got a whole girl band romping through his head. Allana who didn't ask, and the Minaviyne trinity. And LTT. And Moridin, sort of. Talk about never alone.


FSS@658

We learn from Cyndane herself that she is weaker. Two quotes to rule them all...
She was a puzzle to Demandred. At first he had thought she was Lanfear reincarnated. Bodies for transmigration supposedly were chosen by what was available, yet Osan'gar and Aran'gar were proof of the Great Lord's cruel sense of humor. He had been sure, until Mesaana told him the girl was weaker than Lanfear. Mesaana and the rest thought she was of this Age. Yet she spoke of al'Thor as Lews Therin, just as Lanfear had, and spoke of the Choedan Kal as one familiar with the terror they had inspired during the War of Power.


Abruptly the light of saidar appeared around the woman, but the ready ball of fire streaked from Cyndane's hand, small enough to escape detection she hoped, but enough to burn a hole through this woman who-
Just as it reached the woman, almost close enough to singe her garments, the web of Fire unraveled. The woman did not do anything; the net simply came apart! Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that would break a web, but it must be that.
Then the woman struck back at her, and she suffered her second shock. She was stronger than Cyndane had been before the Aelfinn and Eelfinn held her! That was impossible; no woman could be stronger. She must have an angreal, too.


Several things. So it was Mesaana that told Demandred she wasn't as strong as Lanfear. But it doesn't matter whether we suggest she was holding back by speaking of her youthful strength rather than her full potential. Likewise, this lays to rest my suggestion that Cyndane could have been diguising her strength. During the fight at Shadar Logoth, the words in bold tell most of the story. She isn't as strong as she had been as Lanfear, and it had nothing to do with Cyndane's body. Specifically, before the Aelfinn and the Eelfinn held her tells us that her change in strength occured upon her arrival or during her stay in the Tower of Ghenjei. If her weaker channeling was a punishment of the Dark One, her thought would have said She was stronger than Cyndane had been as Lanfear. With the words used, her strength was decreased before she stopped being Lanfear.

There is no reason to believe that she left the Tower alive. So the DO resuscitated her in Cyndane's body as he did with Moridin and the 'Gars. As to how her strength was diminished, there are still several possibilities. Damage from passing through the doorway while channeling; damage from Moiraine stripping the angreal while Lanfear was channeling through it; the payment for some bargain made with the Eelfinn; a punishment in advance of death by the 'Finn; etc.

There are weaknesses to the first two suggestions. Nothing presented in the story gives plausibility to the idea that overchanneling can damage one's strength in the Power. The White Tower's history with ter'angreal accidents all involve death or stilling, never a mention of being made weaker. That leaves something the 'Finn did to her, either via agreement or as punishment.

And that's the name of that tune.
Nancy Hubbard
665. FantasyFanatic
This is for Shard way up in comment 7. Min's viewings are NEVER wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you remember the one where Thom plucked Moiraine's jewel from the fire? Has that happened yet? NO! And the comment Moiraine made after going to Rhuidean about knowing who she would marry? Then the letter she wrote to Thom. I don't believe that she ONLY told him who gentlrd his nephew. RJ never puts foreshadowing in for no reason. Thom is going to go into the Tower of Ghengi and bring Moiraine out.
johntheirishmongol
666. FantasyFanatic
To Maximpost #275
RE the following
the fact is Rand has difficulty defending
himself with the power. Every time he
embraces it he gets dizy and nearly pukes,
.....it would probably be safer for him to
kill them with a sword then to risk embracing
saidin and ending up vulnerable....

Rand's dizziness when embracing the power stemmed either from the explosion when Elayne lost control of the gateway weaves she was unravelling, or from the use of the bowl of winds across the entire world. After that all of the ashaman were feeling dizzy and queasy, and several of them mentioned that the source felt "wrong". Rand is just so much stronger than them that it is taking longer to wear off. It seems to me like Rand is concerned here simply because his fighting balance will be off because of the missing hand. In the past he has practiced to be a swordmaster with either hand.
T C
667. Freelancer
FantasyFanatic@665

Moiraine's comments to Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve were in the Stone, before Rhuidean. Also, in fact, before she visited the Aelfinn. Therefore, her foreknowledge comes either via Min, or the Accepted Test Ter'angreal. I was about to say, or a Gitara Moroso Foretelling, but then realized that the one about the Dragon being reborn was the first Moiraine had heard, and the last Gitara offered. She wasn't with Rand during the ill-fated Portal Stone trip to Toman Head, (Ha! Masema cries like a baby. I wonder what he saw during his many lives. Perhaps he saw how badly he Failed.)

Aaanyway, there's no certainly where Moiraine gets her certainty from, but she's certain she'll see Thom later on (still hasn't happened), and she knows who's her man. Given the salutation of her letter to him, "My dearest", I'd say we have our winner.
John Doe
668. lensman
well it's almost here. thanks to brandon and harriet. here we go!!
neilorenzo
669. Al Aldazar
Question...please clarrify
1)Who really is Noal?
2)How is Callandor(the Sword That Is Not A Sword) not...safe/no protection?
3)Is Luc/Isam a darkfriend? Which one?
4)If the Eye of The World was pure saidin/saidar did Rand somehow coppy their technique?
5)confused...so are the Tinkers the Jenn Aiel?
Birgit
670. birgit
Rand's dizziness when embracing the power stemmed either from the explosion when Elayne lost control of the gateway weaves she was unravelling, or from the use of the bowl of winds across the entire world.

Rand's dizziness started when he crossed balefire with Moridin. Why should the exploding gateway have anything to do with it? Rand wasn't anywhere near that.

Question...please clarrify
1)Who really is Noal?
2)How is Callandor(the Sword That Is Not A Sword) not...safe/no protection?
3)Is Luc/Isam a darkfriend? Which one?
4)If the Eye of The World was pure saidin/saidar did Rand somehow coppy their technique?
5)confused...so are the Tinkers the Jenn Aiel?


Noal is probably Jain Farstrider.

Callandor lacks the buffer that makes angreal / sa'angreal safe and prevents drawing too much power. Linking with women can act as a replacement of that buffer.

Luc and Isam are two people in one body (Slayer) and the whole is a darkfriend.

The Eye of the World is probably a saidin Well like the saidar Wells Ny and Cads use in Far Madding.

The Tinkers left the Da'shain Aiel first. Then those who picked up the spear left. The Jenn Aiel are the last ones left who didn't give up serving the AS's commands.
johntheirishmongol
671. The Wolves are salivating
@670

I think you're missing something with Elayne unraveling the gateway. We start to see strange things with Saidin immediately after that stunt.

The first is Moridin/Ishy. He's TERRIFIED of the idea of being that close to what he calls an "unraveling web". I'd have to check back to PoD for the exact words, but he did not react well.

Second is when Rand is on campaign against the Seanchan. One of the AM's reports that he found what we know is the spot where the bowl was used (which he assumed to be some new weapon of the one power), and he complains that something was wrong with the source. I believe he called it "eager".

Third is when Dashiva confronts Rand later in PoD. Dashiva approaches Rand (and remember who Dashiva is/was... wont throw in the spoiler in case anybody missed it), and wards their conversation. He and Rand have an argument where Dashiva tells him the weave didnt want to form. Rand dismisses it as Dashiva feeling the taint, which we know he couldnt possibly have been. That conversation is actually one of the funnier ones in the series, go re-read it.

Last but not least, we have Rand going berzerk with Callandor in the final battle of that campaign. Ok, something wrong with the source, something wrong with Callandor, and now something wrong with Rand. I think its a mistake to dismiss the problem as just the result of the crossed streams. LTT got more active and a bit more coherent at that point, but the real problems didnt start until after. And besides, we dont know conclusively that it WAS Moridin, do we? I'm pretty sure the end of KoD gave us the identity of Moridin, and if it WAS him in Shadar Logoth, Rand WOULD have recognized him.
Eyal
672. hidra2000
retracted
neilorenzo
673. Al Aldazar
@670
thank you for clearing that up

@671

The part where Morridin witnessed the unraveling.

"He was about to turn away when the outlines of the gateway suddenly began to flex and tremble. Transfixed, he watched until the opening simply-melted"...
"He had known for a long, long time, but whenever he thought he had the measure of them, these primitives revealed some new skill, did something that no one in his own Age had dreamed of. Something the pinnacle of civilization had not known! Whaat had the girl done?"...
"Unless...Could she actually have unraveled the web?"
neilorenzo
674. Al Aldazar
Question/s...
When Moiraine and Lanfear fell through the twisted stone ter'angreal that leads to the ?finn, do they go seperately or together. If together did they still try to kill each other? Were they still granted three wishes? were the three wishes split? Did falling together cause the ter'angreal to melt or wielding the OP?

Why am I asking All these questions?

I have no idea...HAHAHAHA!
F Shelley
675. FSS
@672 -are you Tenkuu in disguise?

Seriously - you don't remember Rand meeting Verin and Alanna in Caemlyn while they were trying to transport the Two Rivers girls to Tar Valon? You don't remember Verin and Alanna asking for a private conversation with him? You don't remember Alanna placing a hand on him, telling him she won't hurt him, and then bonding him? You don't remember him offering to forget Alanna ever did it in WH, if she would release him?

I mean, come one, it was only one of the central events in LOC to cause Rand to not trust Aes Sedai...

If not, OK, there's this book series, really epic fantasy, called the Wheel of Time. You should go read it, then come back here...
Henry Loose
676. schrodinger
@671... "And besides, we dont know conclusively that it WAS Moridin, do we? I'm pretty sure the end of KoD gave us the identity of Moridin, and if it WAS him in Shadar Logoth, Rand WOULD have recognized him."

in case you haven't noticed, Rand's not that smart, and i doubt very much that he, or anyone, could recognize a forsaken resurrected in a new body until it was too late. Besides, there are too many hints and suggestions within the series that it was Moridin in Shadar Logoth, and I don't think that an experienced writer such as Robert Jordan would put those in the series, unless he meant to do something with them (and i see no reason to have all these hints, just to have it turn out that it was not Moridin, but some new/unknown character in Shadar Logoth (I know we have three books left, but that's not enough time to have a huge new plot thread added)).
Roger
677. rsej5783
1. Noal is NOT jain farstrider. I mean seriously, what the fudge?

2. I read KoD 8 times in 5 weeks because I always wondered about writing fanfics proceeding from KoD. Reading the new chapters from Book 12 have only intensified that for me. But if someone else can write those fanfics, I'd pay for it - why not? (Oh and, I CAN read KOD that fast, because I have ALOT of time on my hands).

3. I know you guys NEED to accept Sanderson's writing style, because it's the only option. I understand that.

I'm STILL going to buy and read every book he puts out too.

But, even if you didn't think RJ was the greatest author of all time, or that his WoT series was less 'serious' than say, LOTR, you still bought his books right?

WoT is what it is. And we loved it for what it was. A different writer doesn't change the plot. But they DO change everything else.

The characters ARE different, if only because they 'express' themselves differently now. They carry themselves differently, because they read differently on paper, because they're written now by a different author.

The mood IS different. Description falls differently with Sanderson's style.

I'm NOT saying SANDERSON IS CRAP AT WRITING. Okay? I've never read his books, and he must be doing something right if RJ's wife chose him.

But Sanderson IS crap at writing LIKE RJ.

I know, I know;

"But he said he wasn't going to try to"

"But imitating RJ would dishonour his memory"

"But RJ's writing wasn't great to begin with anyway"

Well, you know what? He SHOULD have tried to write like RJ. And I know FOR A FACT, that if he'd pulled THAT off, everyone would have been 1000 times happier for it.

And what dishonour? RJ wrote to make HIS FANS HAPPY. If someone wrote with his name after he died, and fans, unknowing, were to turn out just as happy - you don't think he would have been happy too?

And yes, once more. SCREW you if you didn't like RJ or his writing or whatever. I did, I do, and maybe too much for my own good. But at least I have the BALLS to admit it.

5. I read fast and many times, but I'm not great at comprehending things. Or, more truthfully, I skip alot of the flowery stuff sometimes lol yes I know stfu. Could I get some WoT love with my questions? Pretty pretty please?

They're in the next post.
Henry Loose
678. schrodinger
@675 FSS: lol, "If not, OK, there's this book series, really epic fantasy, called the Wheel of Time. You should go read it, then come back here..."

perfect statement... this should be the first post that people read when they come here... to much discussion on faulty assumptions/logic and already disproved theories

not that I'm trying to discourage discussion, just the stuff that does not add to healthy debate.
Roger
679. rsej5783
- Is Rand's dizziness because of his 'link' with Moridin? Is there a link there at all?


- WTF did Fel (philosopher guy) mean when he said 'The Last Battle is not Tarmon Gai'don?


- Are the 3 people going to the Tower of Ghenjei Mat, Noal and Thom?


- Taim IS a certified darkfriend right? After that whole 'Let the Lord of Chaos Rule' thing?


- What exactly were the Borderlanders planning to do once they find Rand? I'm not sure if they stated it... I remember some were annoyed that Rand wasn't focusing on the Borderlands? But what are their plans?


- Do you think Padan Fain will end up having a 'Gollum' moment? As in, inadvertently save Rand or the World? It seems set up almost to be that way. He already killed Kisman because he wanted to kill Rand by himself. And I know that there seems to be some small inspirations here and there from LOTR for WoT. I mean Fain's beginning SCREAMED gollum to me. In an awesome way lol.


- Is Cadsuane's promise to teach Rand 'laughter and tears' that thing that Min's viewing showed she would teach? Or could that be something else?


- Is it still possible Cadsuane is a darkfriend? I just read a pre-book 1 story, where Moiraine was 'becoming surer that Cadsuane was a darkfriend'. (Story where she met Lan).


- Is Verin a goddamn darkfriend or not? She's so shady, and yet, so helpful - which makes me that much more suspicious. And I can't recall if she set out clearly whether she was a DF or not. Is there any part of the story that clears that up?


- What do you think will bring the White Tower back together?
Obviously, Egwene has a hold on the novices. Some Accepted. Respect from many Aes Sedai inside. Alot from most outside in her camp. But that's still all covert. There has to be a culminating event that's going to force the issue, and these things are the weights on the balance.

But what do you think will be the event that tips the balance?

Do you reckon it'll be the Black Aes Sedai plot, turned into maybe a raging battle inside the tower? With help needed from elsewhere? No.. too few Black Ajah.

So, a grand battle that requires all Aes Sedai to join forces. The Seanchan attack that Egwene Dreamed. That has to be it, right?

So, the Seanchan damane learn Traveling. And then... what? Massive battle? The black ajah hunt culminates at the same time. Maybe MAT gets taken to the White Tower, Tuon attacks the White Tower, Egwene helps rally all Aes Sedai, Mat escapes with the Horn again and tells Tuon to back off, Egwene has new respect from all Aes Sedai for leading where Elaida bungled in battle somehow, maybe ordering something stupid. And then voilah.

Egwene: Amyrlin.
Elayne: Queen and Aes Sedai.
Mat: Prince of the Ravens. Leader of legendary Band of the Red Hand.
Perrin: Wolf King and head of Manetheren Army.
Rand: King of like a LOAD of fudging land.
Loial: Ogier army gathered with him. (Because he goes all Martin Luther King on their ass at that Speaking or whatever it was).
Nynaeve: Queen of Malkier and rallying men for Lan.

There, most of your original characters, ready and primed to bring the world together, and begin something so awesome, that it will be, in the words of the totally awesome Stinson, - LEGENDARY.

Man I fucking love WoT.

But anyone think there's any credibility to that final plot/question? lol. More plot than question hehe.
John Massey
680. subwoofer
umm see my comment in LoC 24 #100- somebody - Verin should beat Fain until all he says is Baggins or Shire. That would be the Gollum moment I am looking for.

Woof™.
Marko
681. awaken
SOmething for few of your questions:

"Taim IS a certified darkfriend right? After that whole 'Let the Lord of Chaos Rule' thing? "

I think Taim is actually one of the male Forsaken.


"Is Cadsuane's promise to teach Rand 'laughter and tears' that thing that Min's viewing showed she would teach? Or could that be something else?"

And for this one I would say that yes, Cadsuane will eventually teach Rand to laugh and cry once more. I recall she herself has said that, once...



26 days to go and then we get to read the whole book, can't really wait for that.
T C
682. Freelancer
Al Aldazar@669

I know your questions have had an answer already, but I felt an expansion would help.

1)
Noal Charin, declares that he is the cousin of Jain Charin, aka Jain Farstrider. It is commonly believed, and strongly supported, that he is himself Jain Charin. He was held by Ishamael for a time, and has a long-standing Compulsion forbidding him to remember certain aspects of his own life. Ishamael, in one of his boastful rants, states that he used Jain Farstrider to do evil things. Noal also says that Jain let himself be used by... (the memory block kicks in at this point, which is the strongest evidence that he is Jain). Also, the way he chides about Jain's foolishness (until Olver defend's Jain's greatness), is the voice of a penitent, recalling times which he regrets.

2)
In TSR, The Dedicated, Rand, seeing through the eyes of Jonai, his ancester, observes Callandor being prepared. It is lying on a table atop the Dragon banner. Solinda and several other female Aes Sedai are there, as well as Someshta the Nym (aka the Green Man). They are expecting a group of young, barely-tainted male Aes Sedai to arrive and assist. It is believed that they ran out of time in creating the Eye of the World, and so could not complete Callandor properly.

Now, Cadsuane informs Rand that Callandor is dangerous because it lacks the buffer which all other sa'angreal possess, and amplifies the effects of the taint on channeling, inducing "Wildness of mind". She claims that it can only be used safely in a circle of at least two women with the man wielding it, and one of the women must control the flows.

3)
Isam and his mother were captured by Fades after they ran from Malkier. Luc ran off to the Blight based on a Foretelling by Gitara Moroso. That he/they are the shadow's assassin, answer to a summons by a forsaken, that they take pleasure in killing wolves, provides convincing evidence that they can be nothing else but a darkfriend.

4)
Back to Rand's look through the Ancestitron. He did not witness how the Eye was made. Clearly it had to be made by male and female working together. But he had nothing to copy. If he used the same technique, it was a monumental ta'veren stroke that he worked it out the same. It might simply be that there's more than one way to skin a cat. Or to squeeze the taint out of saidin. In any case, the group at Paaren Disan only had to make a large pool of pure Saidin as the Eye. Rand cleaned ALL of it.

5)
Yes and no. The Tinkers of today may well bear some remnant of the blood of the Dashain, though many from outside the original Aiel bloodlines have joined the Tuatha'an over the centuries. There was a point of separation which Rand witnessed, where a group went off in search of safety and the old song, while the other group held to Solinda Sedai's charge(what they thought the charge was). One group was the Jenn who called the other group the Lost Ones, who turned into the Tinkers. One wonders how they would react to being shown that they behave as the historical Aiel once did. We know how that news affects many potential clan chiefs.



The Wolves are Salivating@671

Moridin witnessed Aviendha's correctly unraveled gateway. He was upset at the repeated surprised that the "primitives" of this age could figure out how to do what those of the AoL could not.


Hidra2000@672

Huh? Alanna bonded Rand without asking his permission. This happens in Chapter 10 of Lord of Chaos at the inn Culain's Hound, where Rand has just discovered the clutch of Two Rivers girls originally being taken by Verin and Alanna to the Tower until they learned at Whitebridge about the Tower split. It's a very significant thread in the story since then. It is how Alanna and Cadsuane can find Rand in Far Madding. There are at least a dozen references where Rand considers that he can feel Alanna's pains and emotions, as well as pointing precisely in her direction. Unless you haven't read past where the re-read is, you can hardly have missed all those details.


@677

Noal IS Jain. His former life has been ruined by Ishamael, so he has withdrawn from his adventuring ways (mostly). The anguish he reveals when speaking of the loss of Jain's wife while he was out adventuring is clearly personal guilt, not anger toward a relative who made mistakes. Wait and watch.

And you really, really don't pay attention to details, do you. Nobody here said they thought Mr. Jordan less than an amazing author. I said that I didn't believe him the finest author I'd ever read. Believe me, that leaves plenty of room for him to still be quite awesome, and he was. At least you admit that in your speed reading you skim. Take a different tack. Read slowly, and deeply, not skipping a word. You'll be amazed what you discover. I don't think it's possible for Jordan's work to be appreciated for it's complexity if you don't observantly read for the details. Easter eggs abound.

Very cute. You say "SCREW YOU", tell everybody who disagrees to "stfu", then beg for answers? That's not balls, that's just selfish and reprehensible.
johntheirishmongol
683. dented
it's good. damn good. i was afraid of what the new voice would sound like but am so far am impressed. anyone that has read these has got to be like me anyway... dying for the finale!!!!!
Henry Loose
684. schrodinger
just throwing this out there, tear it up, comment, or ignore it, but i just had a thought... what if Demandred is using the illusion part of the power to disguise himself as Queen Tenobia to gain control of the borderlanders? (she is said to be part mad, so it would be a good disguise and account for any irregularities in character to those around "her").
just an idea.
Jeff Meyer
685. jeff_meyer
I listened to the first chapter of A Gathering Storm and it made this stand out for me when listening to ACOS the other day. Seems a bit of a wasted question and I find it strange that Rand didn't think about the Finn and the connection with the prophecies either time this 'binding together of lands stuff is featured by him.







"That left only his plans. The north and the east must be as one. The west and the south must be as one. The two must be as one. That was the answer he’d received from the strange creatures beyond the red stone doorway. It was all he had to go on.
North and east. He had to force the lands into peace, whether they wanted it or not. He had a tenuous balance in the east, with Illian, Mayene, Cairhien and Tear all under his control in one way or another. The Seanchan ruled in the south, with Altara, Amadicia and Tarabon under their control. Murandy might soon be theirs, if they were pressing in that direction." -

All this aside I am quite excited about the new book and enjoy the first chapter. I weep for Rand. I feel bad for him actually.
Robert
686. nondescript75
Lookin forward to this book. I'm like those kiddies are when a Harry Potter book comes out. If Mr. Jordan's wife says this guy is cool, then that's good enough for me. If you honor robert Jordan, it will be enough for you.
neilorenzo
687. Al Aldazar
Freelancer@682
thank you for expanding

Where did the sword come from? I don't think it was mentioned the how,where,and why.
What happened to his other sword anyway? Did he just give it away?

Hey...that rhymed...
(smiles and shakes head)

un-related thought/s:

The broken keystone(female), since it melted it's no longer any use right? In ? didn't Egwene find a half-woman statue? Could it be used to fix/be part of the keystone?

Why didn't Egwene take the items from the Panarch's Place when she learned to Travel?

If Min's viewing that Alivia would help Rand die, did she say Rand or you? cause if she said Rand then Rand will die, but if she said you added to her viewing of two men morphing together...maybe Alivia will help Lews Therin die...

Couldn't the audio be in High Chant lol
Lee Tonner
688. Tonner
There are so many msysteries that i might go insane like the sword who's is it's?
Cant be any of the following Artur Hawking, Tam's, Lews Therins itherwise Kinslayer would have had an outburst as he dose with things he recognises like the Semirage. And it says that it was from Rand's own memories. Perhaps a sign of the maddness their memories merging even more so it must be from the ter'angreal in TSR that he just didn't recognise when it was happening. Or how Rand is now bound to Morridin when their balefires touched mabye that's how he's remembering it perhaps it was Lews Therin's and he remembers it because we don't know much about te bond that's now between them, unlikely but that was RJ's domain constantly making unexpected twists and turns like how Rand is the rightful heir to Andor.
Also who killed Asomodean? I think it was Semirige (probably spelled wrong) because since she was so good at torture then Asmo would be terrified to see her especialy without full use of his powers. And since it's brought up near when Semeridge is brought up it probably hints that she'll tell them it when they are questioning her.


Now all i can think of is getting TGS and reading it but I CAN'T!!!!
Henry Loose
689. schrodinger
Ok, i just had a wild, crazy idea. I was reading Tonner's post above, and was thinking about how Asomodean died. He seemed really surprised, not the surprise of seeing someone he knew, but the surprise of seeing someone he knew and thought was dead. It was the recognition and surprise that I perceived in his voice seemed to fit that. This leads me to believe one of several possibilities: one of the 'Gars or some forsaken everyone thought was dead during the war of power. Or, my favorite, (and this is just from my cynical nature) the Aes Sedai who formed the "fateful concord" (her exact name escapes me at the moment) was a secret darkfriend and is somehow alive (I don't know how or have any evidence to back this up, but something in my gut liked this).

Thoughts?
F Shelley
690. FSS
@689 - the only issue I see with your thoughts (the same issue I have with every single theory out there) is that it fails RJ's oft-repeated phrase that Asmodean's killer should be "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer".

Because of that phrase, I always beleived Lanfear was the killer. I just don't know how to square that with Cyndaene showing up.

I know everyone says Graendal, but that fails the test above. You have to be Sherlock flippin Holmes to argue she did it. That's not intuitive obvious...
Rob Munnelly
691. RobMRobM
Graendel makes perfect sense, especially when you find out in later books from a POV that she hunted through Sammael's rooms after his death looking for ter-greals and AOL tchoskes such like. Undoubtedly, that's what happened here - she went looking through Rahvin's things looking for treasure, ducked into a little room when someone was coming, and had the good or bad fortune for Asmo to walk in looking for wine. She fried him, then immediately travelled to SG, told the DO, who then had the news in hand when Demandred showed up the next day. Lanfear had too much going on for me to believe she was a likely suspect.

Rob
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692. Freelancer
Tonner@688

Dude. Please don't take this as a flame, I accept that the problem is mine. But I have proofreader's eyes, and your post just about gave me a fit. Lord help Wetlandernw or the other English teachers among us. Phew.

Ok. I think we can trust it when a Rand internal POV clearly say he knows a memory is his, not LTT's. Lots of ideas about the sword, none remotely conclusive. This one's a total RAFO, can't be deduced from available textual information.

On Asmodean(apologies to Bela, poor dead horse), Semirhage is with the Seanchan as Anath during that time, not available. Cyndane (Lanfear) refers in an internal POV to when the Aelfinn and the Eelfinn held her. Asmodean was killed later that same day. The only way out of the Tower for a trip to murder Asmodean would be as an answer to a wish from the Eelfinn. Lanfear wouldn't waste such a wish on Asmodean. Graendal really is the most fitting suspect. Her alliance with Rahvin, Demandred and Sammael to trap Rand at Illian would have given her reason to be in the palace at Caemlyn on the same day Rand attacked. She would have been recognized by Asmodean. (The 'gars would not, nor would Moridin) He would have been both surprised and fearful to see her there.


FSS@690

Agreed. However, we all have to accept that whoever Asmodean's killer was, it wasn't intuitively obvious, so we cannot honestly use that as a disqualifier.
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693. Freelancer
Al Aldazar@687

It doesn't matter if a female access key ter'angreal is fix, or if a new one is created. The female half of the Choeden Kal is ruined. The statue on Tremalking was destroyed, the crystal sphere melted. That's why the Amayar all committed suicide, because they saw the destruction of that statue as evidence that the Time of Illusions is at an end.


Ahh, by the way, for whoever has been thinking that Demandred has anything to do with the Black Tower. At the cleansing, he did not realize that the guy in the black coat was an Asha'man until Damer attacked him with saidin. I'm fairly sure Ishamael is the benefactor of Taim's faction in the BT.
Kurt Lorey
694. Shimrod
Demandred has commanded Taim before (to kill Rand), IIRC. Still, that was likely in Taim's dreams...

But, you're also right that Demandred didn't know Damer Flinn (or that he was Asha'man) at the Cleansing.
johntheirishmongol
695. ahill3780
As far as the sword goes, we'll just have to wait and see. Two things I would point out here on the subject though:

- The sword is likely just another Power-wrought blade from the age of legends. That's why he was able to recognize it with his own memories - he's owned two and seen at least one other (Turak's).

- The scabbard is what is Centuries old - not the sword. Read the paragraph carefully.

...the lacquered scabbard was painted with a long, sinuous dragon of red and gold. It looked as if it had been designed speci?cally for Rand—and yet it was centuries old, unearthed only recently.


I would like to see everyone leave off on this criticism of the writing style, no one could write in the style RJ did with his own work. Of course its going to feel different, but at least the story goes on!

The female access key is gone, it can't be pieced back together again with 'spare parts' from the other in Tanchico. Though I suppose another one could be made, but that would require the knowledge of how they were made in the first place. Not just the keys, but the great sa'angreal themselves.

I think that is not likely to happen. After all, if it were a simple thing to reason out then Lanfear would have simply made an access key rather than try and track down the ones already made.

It's my opinion that the great sa'angreal were warded in such a way as to prevent just anyone from being able to create a link to them. Kind of like an encryption key for decoding classified electronic documents.

In essence, the keys must authenticate themselves with the Choedan Kal in order to link with them.

It would make a lot of sense considering the world they were created in and the vast knowledge of the Power available on both sides. They would have needed a way to prohibit access from channelers serving the shadow attempting to tap into them.

Anyway, I've gone far aside from my point. All in all, I can't wait for this book to come out! Thank you for pulling this together for us Brandon, keep up the great work!
johntheirishmongol
696. OgierGardener420
YES!!!! I'm just so glad that the story continues. It sucks big time that RJ couldn't finish it, but it's great that the story doesn't end. It will be nice in a few years to be able to pick up the books,read them from start to finish and know that I won't have to wait anymore for the next book. Even with the change of the authors voice it's really the story I want. If some jackass off the street had written it in block letters i'd still read it to find out how everything goes down.
Alice Arneson
697. Wetlandernw
Freelancer @ 692 - Thank you for your concern for my well-being. I survived it. :) No aneurysm, anyway. Also, good answers as always.

ahill3780 @695 - Thank you for making the point about the scabbard. It seems to have slipped by a large number of readers. The scabbard is clearly the item that "looked as if it had been specifically designed for Rand" and yet was centuries old and recently unearthed. I think there may be a certain implication in the text that the sword & scabbard belong together, though its not definite. Regardless of the relationship of sword and scabbard, however, it's clearly the sword itself that he recognized "from his own memories." I can see your argument that it wasn't any particular sword, but simply a Power-wrought blade like his earlier ones. I'm not quite convinced, though, because others ought to recognize that much; why point out that "He had told no one, not even Min, that he had recognized the weapon" if it were only another Power-wrought blade? Well, as they say... RAFO. I sure am looking forward to finding out.

Guess we'll RAFO on the use of the male Choedan Kal, too; the female (as Freelancer pointed out) is forever out of commission no matter what you do with the keys. BTW, does anyone remember... I know they were designed to be used together, but is it stated anywhere, whether it's possible to use them individually?

OgierGardener420 @696 - If some jackass off the street had written it in block letters I'd still read it to find out how everything goes down. LOL!! Must admit I feel much the same way. Fortunately, we've been given much better than that.
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698. Freelancer
ahill3780@695
- The sword is likely just another Power-wrought blade from the age of legends. That's why he was able to recognize it with his own memories - he's owned two and seen at least one other (Turak's).
Rand has seen three confirmed power-wrought blades:
Tam's
Laman's
Lan's

Turak's sword was indeed etched for a blademaster, but that in no way means it was from the Age of Legends. Lan's is Power-wrought, yet bears no heron-mark. Just as an extra point of reference, Eamon Valda's sword is that of a blademaster, but not believed to be Aes Sedai work, or he wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

As to Rand's new sword/scabbard, yes, there is more text spent describing the scabbard than the blade. However, I would strongly suggest that the two were made together, it's difficult to sheathe a slightly curved blade into a scabbard not fitted for it.


Wetlandernw@697

Rand very nearly activated the Male Choeden Kal directly, without an access key, back in TGH. Scared the beans out of Selene/Lanfear when he did it. I don't think there's any reason that they couldn't be employed independently. But he'll have to ask Cadsuane nicely for the statuette ter'angreal.
johntheirishmongol
699. snowman
great work did a good job of picking the author
John Massey
700. subwoofer
Weeeeeeeeeee! 7 hunny!

'K folks- we have a direction! Now how about somebody with a plan to take over the world? We could start with cracking the Caramilk secret then moving on to Rubic's cubes... Then of course my organ harvesting idea and the poppy thing.

'Course my random posts must be giving Wetlandernw seizures. It's all about just letting er rip. We're all friends here, no need to start grading everyone. What is, is:)

I thought that a blademaster's sword was a lost art and since the Breaking, Power wrought ones like Lan's and Rand's OG one could not be made. Something about the Oaths the AS took- not making any weopons...

Woof™
neilorenzo
701. Al Aldazar
@700
While it's true that AS took oaths never to make weapons that involve the OP, they could still find a way.

truth
-not the whole truth

OP as a weapon
-shodowspawn or danger or convining them that their in danger/thing is evil

OP to make weapon
-due to Egwene's proposal to accept any and all women who wanted to be tested; and since they dont have the oath rod; there are now plenty of women who can channel and be taught to make weapons

*I'm pretty sure the Ashaman will eventually learn too if they ever stop having contempt for swords
neilorenzo
702. Al Aldazar
Oh yeah...I forgot who mentioned it but they said
"Since Birrgite has been looking for Gaidal Cain for the past nine days, couldn't those nine day be the nine years needed for him to be spun out?"

No. Because, RJ said in T'A'H you can't go there on a Monday and be back on Tuesday.

Since Nyneave saw him with Birrgite a few weeks? before, then if following you're thought, he was born they were still in Emond's Field
neilorenzo
703. Al Aldazar
*nine years to be spun out as Olver
*a few weeks while in Tanchico
*while they were still in Emond's Field
Michael Catapano
704. hoping
wetlandernw
Rand and asmo used the male half while struggling in Rhuidean, almost destroying the city, so it can be used by itself. Whether they are better used in tandem we'll probably never know.
John Massey
705. subwoofer
Thought they were used in tandem to cleanse Sadin. But, yes they can be used separately. Rand almost tapped the male CK when he was right beside it in TGH. Almost made Lanfear wet herself. There was never any mention of it having to be used with the female one to work, it is just more effective because the greatest things were done with men and women working together. er... IIRC.

Woof™.
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