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NateTheGreat joined: Wednesday July 30, 2008 posts: 9 location: |
Wednesday July 30, 2008 08:15pm EDT |
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I'm sure other people have posted rants about TOR Books; this is mine.
I found an author I love in the free ebooks from TOR. Jo Walton has IMO an excellent grasp of the English language. Her novel, Farthing, is one of the best alternate history novels I have ever read. It is easily as good as the best of Harry Turtledove or S.M. Stirling. This novel was the first in a series, so of course I want to get the rest of the series and read it. Unfortunately, the other titles are not available as ebooks. And since I do not buy paper books anymore, TOR has lost a sale. (Oh, I'm still going to read the books. But this won't help TOR because I'm checking them out of my local library.) P.S. I bet you're wondering why I waited so long. I have a stack of things I want to read, but the suspense of wanting to know what happened next finally got to me. Nate the Great Moderator www.MobileRead.com |
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Wednesday July 30, 2008 11:04pm EDT |
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Just FYI.... checking books out of the library does help Tor. That book is already bought and paid for... Tor received money for it. If it gets check out enough times, or is in high demand, multiple copies are purchased by libraries, and good circulation rates help determine whether or not other books by that author, and that publisher are purchased in the future. Which of course helps Tor.
You act like your choice to check it out of the library somehow hurts Tor, and this is not the case. I LOVE it when libraries buy my books, and when readers check them out. Pooled buying to benefit those who otherwise can't or won't buy book individually is a Good Thing(tm), IMO |
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Wednesday July 30, 2008 11:11pm EDT |
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Wouldn't you rather have me buy a copy instead of borrow it? I would think the answer is obvious.
Are you saying that the sale that TOR is missing out on doesn't matter? |
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Wednesday July 30, 2008 11:36pm EDT |
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To me, a life without paper books would be a bleak and meaningless wasteland of despair and woe. (As opposed to what it is now, a bleak and meaningless wasteland of despair and woe mode tolerable by the regular appearance of Big Boxes of Books in the mail.) But to each his own. I do think all buying options should be available, but it will take some Tor editors and staffers to explain the business decisions that underlie which books do and don't get chosen for ebook distribution. I had someone on my forum complaining that he found mass market paperbacks impossible to read due to his poor eyesight, so why couldn't publishers release more trade paperbacks with larger type. I replied that an e-reader gizmo would be ideal for a guy like him, as he could (presumably) adjust the font size to his own comfort level. |
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Wednesday July 30, 2008 11:47pm EDT |
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Hey Nate, I'm not trying to start a fight with you. Of course what I'd rather you do is buy a copy of what is available, in the format that is is available in.
There are plenty of organizational hurdles, and rights issues to deal with when it comes to Ebooks, and it isn't always as easy as saying "make it happen." I'm not making excuses for Tor or for my own publishing company. I'm just saying, things get in the way of catering to everyones desired format. For years, a significant portion of the reading public simply didn't buy my books because they weren't available in mass market paperback -- I didn't have the distribution, or the kind of titles that could support that format. So when people checked out my trade paperbacks for the library, I was happy that they did so. I simply couldn't cater to the customers that wanted mass market editions. I know I lost possible sales, but I didn't have the capacity to publish everything in every format that people wanted. I can say that if people stopped buying dead trees, and started only buying ebooks (like you), sure as shit books would universally be made available electronically. (This has already happened in the music industry and is heppneing in the movie/tv industry...). Right now you are facing early adaptors syndrome. Peace -jl |
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Wednesday July 30, 2008 11:48pm EDT |
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Yes, being able to adjust the font on an eBook reader is excellent. (Love my Kindle.)
Tor currently has deals in progress---rights and contracts don't get any easier in the digital world, and potentially are more difficult. At any rate, I wait patiently and devour other e-books. Now is a time to find other great authors if you don't want to pick up a non-ebook version of various works. Otherwise, watch the skies... This does put me in mind of waiting for paperbacks. Except that digital has the potential of leading alongside the hardback, which is usually not possible with paperback. One day, we will rule the world. Until then, there's still lots and lots of stuff to read. |
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Thursday July 31, 2008 08:03am EDT |
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Yeah, these things take time. And are fraught with complications. (See Tor's last experiment with selling ebooks via Baen, which came to an abrupt halt after about one day when the stuffed shirts in charge of Tor's parent company pulled the plug. Hopefully someone's talked some sense into them by now.) |
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bluejo joined: Monday July 14, 2008 posts: 2 location: Montreal |
Thursday July 31, 2008 08:28am EDT |
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I'm glad you liked _Farthing_, thank you for the kind words.
I think Tor want to do e-books just as much as you want to read them, it's just complicated to get it going properly. Meanwhile, reading them out of the library is fine by me. If you really want to help, you could order _Half a Crown_ from the library now, and thus encourage the library to buy it. It's not out until September, and libraries are probably thinking now about what they want for the autumn. If they think there's a demand, maybe they'll buy extra copies for other branches. Library sales are sales, and anyway, libraries rock. |
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Thursday July 31, 2008 08:44am EDT |
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Also, a lot of libraries have a form you can fill out to request them to buy a book if they don't currently have it. I am prone to make my library buy Cory Doctorow books after I read them on-line for free. :) |
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Thursday July 31, 2008 11:53am EDT |
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What irritates me is that, like Nate, I prefer to read books in ebook format. However, unlike Nate, if I really like an author I will buy both the hardcover (I do not buy paperbacks) AND the ebook version, which is what I just did with the new Harry Turtledove release, but was unable to do with Tor's new releases by David Weber and LE Modesitt.
What I really want to know from someone at TOR who is in a position to know is when will ebooks be simultaneously released with new books and how much longer before the backlist is release in ebook format? |
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Thursday July 31, 2008 12:20pm EDT |
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For those interested, I'm starting a small series on the eBooks currently available in the Kindle store for the bonanza authors; currently I only have time for five of them so far, but there's a wealth of stuff to buy while you're waiting.
And yes; I will be watching the skies and updating my blog. After work (I live in PST) I'll be writing parts 2 and 3. Unless someone beats me to them first. |
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Thursday July 31, 2008 01:02pm EDT |
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@rhadin:
Apologies for not responding sooner, I am only now seeing this post. Tor loves ebooks, is excited about ebooks, and is moving forward on a variety of ways to make them available to you. As you can imagine this effort is nontrivial, but we have a well-publicized deal with Baen (just waiting for Baen to work some final things out) to sell some books through their service. Beyond that I really can't say, but watch the skies! |
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Thursday July 31, 2008 01:11pm EDT |
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Hopefully it will actually be allowed to go through this time. |
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Monday August 18, 2008 06:34pm EDT |
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"Hopefully it will actually be allowed to go through this time. "
The stuff that derailed us before is no longer an issue. We're just waiting for Baen to sort out some issues at their end. |
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Tuesday August 19, 2008 10:11am EDT |
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Just another followup: Like Nate, I, too, thoroughly enjoyed Jo Walton's Farthing and John Scalzi's Old Man's War in the free ebook giveaways. Without those free books, I never would have read either author.
Yesterday I was checking to see what new SF/F books were coming soon and noted new ones coming from Scalzi and Walton, which reminded me that I wanted to buy other ebooks by these authors (I am backlogged with my reading, so a little slow at buying). I searched and found that none of the other books by these authors are available in ebook form. So I didn't buy any (I'm not buying print versions until I am sure that I want to add these authors to my permanent collection). That's a loss of several book sales for both Tor and each author. I did, however, buy For the Thrill of It, a HarperCollins book that was released August 8 about the Leopold and Loeb murder trial. Why? Because HarperCollins simultaneously released the ebook with the print version. I also purchased Harry Turtledove's Man with the Iron Heart (both ebook and print), The Bloody Shirt (again both ebook and print), and The Most Famous Man in America (both ebook and print). The point I'm trying to make is this: Tor is taking much too long to get its ebooks out, especially new releases, and is thus losing sales -- there is a market for ebooks, even if not as large as for hardcover books. By the time the books come out, these authors whose books I am willing to buy today may well be forgotten, which is to no one's advantage. |
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Tuesday August 19, 2008 10:58am EDT |
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-- Rhadin
May I briefly mention that while you're waiting, John Scalzi has some stuff published under cc license on his website? I know it's not everything and I know it's not the Old Man's War universe, but that doesn't make it less than awesome. I believe his "Agent to the Stars" is still up there which Tor is about to reprint. Worth checking out while you wait? |
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slayda joined: Tuesday August 19, 2008 posts: 1 location: Huntsville |
Tuesday August 19, 2008 12:40pm EDT |
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I agree with Nate. TOR teased us. If it were so hard to ePublish then how did they manage the free ebooks? I too would like to purchase John Scalzi's book as an ebook. Unlike several others I already knew his work and have read The Old Man's War and the sequels in pbook format but now I'd rather purchase any new books as ebooks.
By the time TOR gets their ebook capability fully online, we all will have probably moved on and forgotten about the "give-aways". This is unfortunate but timing is important. Now is the time for TOR to strike the ebook iron because it is hot but cooling fast. |
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Tuesday August 19, 2008 12:59pm EDT |
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I'm in the same position as the person that made the original post in that I'm only reading e-books. I downloaded the promotional e-books with the hope that this was leading up to an announcement of Tor supporting electronic books and was very disappointed. I've taken a different approach though as I'm not going to invest my time in reading the free books until Tor demonstrates that they'll sell me the follow on books in e-book format.
I don't think that Tor cares about the 5 or 6 books sales they lost in the last year because I didn't buy the books when they weren't available as e-books. I don't think the 5 or 6 authors care about the 1 book sale they lost either. I post this because of what I view as the larger implications. I won't be popular by stating here that I've never cared about who the publisher was. If you asked me two years ago who the publisher of my 10 favorite authors was I wouldn't have been able to tell you and didn't care. I select books like most people by reading best seller lists, recommendations from friends, book reviews, award lists etc... In the past year I've searched for the e-book versions and discovered a common denominator in the ones I couldn't locate. This has surfaced to me who the publisher is in a negative way. I really hope that Tor can reverse this and future e-book adopters don't have to go through the same experience. This is the first year in 38 years that I haven't read a paper book and I didn't enter the year with the intent of removing paper books from my life. I've read electronic books as a supplement to paper book for about 7 years but it's only since I purchased an e-ink device a year ago that I find the experience to be better then reading paper books. I get the enjoyment from the content and not the medium that it's delivered on. I see e-books extending the length of time in my life that I can receive joy from reading. I've been blessed with not needing reading glasses until now (I'm 46) so I just need minimal correction. I don't need to wear the glasses at all now as I can just increase the font size. It's light to hold and when I finish a good book I can close the cover and get the same "hug a book" feeling I get with a good paper book. When I travel I don't need to fill my luggage with 6 paper books I take my entire unread library on a 6 oz device. The current generation of electronic readers are far from perfect but the limitations that I see can be easily corrected in future generations. I love this thing. I hope that Tor truly embraces e-books soon and I've been checking this site periodically for news. Sorry if I came across as negative. I'm a big fan of many Tor authors and would like to discover others so I'm disappointed none of them are in my current reading queue. I posted because I care. |
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RickyMaveety joined: Wednesday August 20, 2008 posts: 1 location: |
Wednesday August 20, 2008 01:31pm EDT |
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Well, my decision from the whole "free ebooks" promotion has been to take all of those books out of my Kindle, and to put those authors on my "do not read" list until such time as their books are available in a format I can read on my Kindle.
Why?? (1) Because, I find nothing more irritating than reading a "cliffhanger" ending and having no immediate access to the next book; (2) Because, I am not purchasing any more hardback or paperback books for recreational reading. My library is quite full enough; and (3) Because the nearest library is a 60 mile round trip and I'm not about to spend $12 just on the off chance that they have the sequel to one of the cliffhangers. So, TOR's promotion has certainly cost them my business for the time being. And, TOR's attitude towards the people who were mislead into thinking the promotion meant TOR would actually be selling ebooks in the very near future means that I will not be checking back here often, if indeed at all. So, hello and goodbye TOR. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 02:12pm EDT |
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Welcome, RickyMaveety, slayda, and all other MobileRead Forum members. It's a shame that you came over in the wake of all this complaining. We're working on the eBook issue, as we've explained ad nauseam in this and other areas of the site.
In the meantime, have a little patience, and check out the rest of Tor.com. It may not be what you were expecting, but who knows, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 02:35pm EDT |
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Well, I suppose I can see that if one has gone digital-only in the book world, it would be somewhat frustrating to be unable to purchase the books in one's chosen format (though I, at least, have a hard time truly empathizing with this issue, as while e-books are lovely for many applications, my bibliophilia is almost as much for the physical objects as for the words they contain). What I have a harder time understanding is the transformation of this frustration into anger at the publisher, especially when taken to such a degree as to reject the initial free offerings. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 03:16pm EDT |
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It's unfortunate how many potential members of their community the MobileRead people have probably alienated with their collective behavior here.
There are a lot of eBook fans around here, many of whom might have made good members on their forum. But if this thread and the freebie one are their best sample of their community spirit, there probably won't be much crossover. Shame. A good, pleasant and interesting information resource is always a joy to find and a treasure to share. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 03:36pm EDT |
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@pablodefendi
I don't think you understand. They did not come here in the midst of the complaining; they came here to participate in the complaining. Strength in numbers, as it were. @evilrooster We are a community mainly of ebook lovers. Not entirely, but mostly. Anyone who is not interested in ebooks is probably not going to join MobileRead. And anyone who does like ebooks will share the opinions expressed here to some degree. That commonality will encourage them to join MobileRead. |
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DrakBibliophile joined: Sunday July 20, 2008 posts: 33 location: Danville |
Wednesday August 20, 2008 03:42pm EDT |
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I'm not from MobileRead. However, while I know what the TOR people have said, I do wish we had official word of when the ebooks will show up on webscriptions. Part of the problem is that on Baen's end, I heard that negotiations still going on. Here, I hear that "Baen has to sort out some issues at their end". So while I'm trying to be patient, it's hard when I don't know what the real problem is and how long it is going to take. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 04:18pm EDT |
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@NateTheGreat
I understand perfectly well why more members of the MobileRead community are adding their voices to the choir, I'm not quite that dense. I was being polite and politic. It's a lost art, I know, but I'm bringin' it back. Ebook issues aside, we would like you guys to stick around and become members of our community as well, since it's plain that you're a passionate bunch that cares about this stuff as much as we do. So I acknowledged their concern, explained that we've already discussed the topic, and encouraged them to peruse the site. Nate, I encourage you to do the same. You've made your point, now climb out of your two-thread echo chamber and look around at other conversations. Read or download some of the free stories. Hopefully you'll find some value to our community. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 05:10pm EDT |
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@pablo
I have read the stories. I have read most of the other conversations. As for joining in, well, having the senior editor at TOR jump up and down on someone's head is not the best way to encourage participation. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 05:39pm EDT |
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@Nate:
How many times should PNH have allowed you to ask the same question before telling you to stop, then? I don't know how you meant it, but that particular piece of business came across as extremely rude. You were, essentially, calling the Tor people who had already answered the question liars. And how much leeway does MobileRead give commenters? How do they get addressed when they cross the line of civility? Do you think any of them ever feel stomped on? If you've been in an online community, you know fine well that some behaviors are not tolerated. That doesn't mean that people cannot start badly and become interesting and valued members. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 05:59pm EDT |
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If I had been in Torie's position, I would have asked another moderator to step in. If I was the one stepping in, no, I would not have jumped up and down on someone's head.
And, I was referring to jumping up and down on Taylor's head. Not mine. |
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Wednesday August 20, 2008 07:49pm EDT |
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On a side note: I wish this forum had private messaging.
@evilrooster I had to run out the door, and was unable to add the following. I still do not understand how the repeated question could be construed as calling them liars. Nor could the two people whom I asked to review my posts. But since you think it means that, this will go on my "how not to post" list. |
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DrakBibliophile joined: Sunday July 20, 2008 posts: 33 location: Danville |
Wednesday August 20, 2008 11:16pm EDT |
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On my earlier comment, there was a post by Toni on Baen's Bar that confirms that the delay is on Baen's end. |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 01:43am EDT |
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Am I disappointed that Tor doesn't have an ebook solution already in place? Yes. Am I surprised? No. I signed up for the free ebook promotion knowing that they were doing it in order to promote the new site. I had hope that they would be ready to dive right in to the ebook market as soon as the site went live, but I knew signing up that there was a good possibility that they wouldn't. That was further reinforced by some comments PNH made on Making Light. However, their lack of readiness hasn't cost them any sales from me. I'm hoping to move to an all electronic library eventually, but in the meantime, there are Tor authors that I absolutely must read, and those books I will buy. I could wait for the library to get them, but I'd rather show some tangible support for the authors by making a purchase. And then, there's some that even if they were available electronically, I'd still buy in paper just so I had the complete series in that format. |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 05:17am EDT |
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Thanks Tor for putting up Zoe's Tale on the Kindle! |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 07:55am EDT |
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@Nate:
I went to bed (I live in a different time zone), so I wouldn't have seen your answer anyway. I still do not understand how the repeated question could be construed as calling them liars. Because the question "Where can I download eBooks, please?" had already been answered in the update to the post on the 28th, when PNH said that the downloads had been closed off. Torie then answered it twice more, in comments 149 and 156. Asking another time in comment 159 (particularly with the "please" again, which comes across as passive-aggressive) makes it look like you didn't believe what PNH and Torie had written. Outside the parlor, that's known as calling them liars. Maybe you didn't intend it, but that's how it looked. So yes, it might be something to note for the future. |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 09:25am EDT |
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Zoe's Tale is out in different digital formats, as someone mentioned above. So that's cool right? |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 10:00am EDT |
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Torie, can we expect to see eBooks from Tor through BAEN before the year is out? Will they be without DRM? Will they be in the same multiple formats that BEAN supports for their own eBooks? Will they be priced reasonably? Will the first offerings be the followup eBooks to the ones used for the free eBook giveaway? |
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Torie joined: Wednesday July 09, 2008 posts: 35 location: New York City |
Thursday August 21, 2008 11:04am EDT |
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@ JSWolf
Patrick had lunch with Jim Minz, Baen's senior editor, just last week. We really do hope to have this sorted out in the next few months. No promises, of course, but all the legal stuff is behind us and it's just a few technical issues on Baen's part that are getting in the way. The books will absolutely be free of DRM. As for multiple formats, I really don't know at this point. And we sure hope they'll be priced reasonably! First offerings as follow-ups to the free ebooks? Hmm, very interesting idea indeed! I'll pass that along. And as previously mentioned, Macmillan is actively converting all titles to which we have digital rights, so you should be seeing a lot more e-books soon regardless. |
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DrakBibliophile joined: Sunday July 20, 2008 posts: 33 location: Danville |
Thursday August 21, 2008 11:30am EDT |
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Torie, thanks for the info.
For me the problem has been lack of detailed info. Your comment contained more info than I've heard before. Basically, knowing that the legal stuff is behind you and Baen is nice to know. Some have thought 'technical issues' was code words for more legal issues. Drak (Paul) Bibliophile (The EBook Loving Dragon) |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 12:18pm EDT |
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Here's a thought...in Baen Webscriptions David Weber's "Off Armageddon Reef" is available.
However, it's available at a price (electronic) much higher than the current "deadtree" (paperback). Any chance Tor can tell Baen that the price can be adjusted to at least match the paperback price? (And for me, my buying habits have pretty much migrated where I buy hardcovers of authors I like and want to collect...eBooks of the same, when available, and eBooks instead of paperbacks. There's a long list of Tor titles that I'd like to get eBooks versions of...so whenever this thing launches, if the prices are comparable with the Baen model, if the formats match what I can use, I'll be emptying the wallet on a pretty constant basis!) |
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Torie joined: Wednesday July 09, 2008 posts: 35 location: New York City |
Thursday August 21, 2008 12:20pm EDT |
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@ DrakBibliophile
Sorry about that, these things are necessarily sort of secretive and shrouded in mystery. I'm happy to answer any questions I can, but "Be patient" is, sadly, the only answer I've got when it comes to ebooks. I do earnestly hope that those of you eagerly awaiting new developments on the ebook front will find something of interest here at Tor.com in the meantime. |
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DrakBibliophile joined: Sunday July 20, 2008 posts: 33 location: Danville |
Thursday August 21, 2008 01:31pm EDT |
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Torie, I like the line that goes "Lord give me patience, RIGHT NOW!". [Wink]
Of course, I try to have patience for the people trying to fix a problem because in the past, I was one of the people trying to fix a problem with 'idiots' asking "How Soon?" [Sad Smile] Drak (Paul) Bibliophile (The EBook Loving Dragon) |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 02:59pm EDT |
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Just to add my two cent in and put things in perspective, there's one teeny-tiny matter we need to remember: It's no longer a question of *if* Tor is going to be selling ebooks through WebScriptions -- it's now a question of *WHEN*.
And that, my friends is what's really important. Myself, I'm confident that the Tor books offered through WebScriptions are going to be offered in the same formats as the Baen books (and the EReads books, and Subterranean Press books, and the Meisha Merlin books...). I don't forsee any problems in that area, so I don't think it's worth worrying about. Both the folks at Tor and at Baen know what they're doing, and when they're done, I am absolutely certain that Things Will Be Awesome (and we're talking "Chuck Norris in Power Armor on the back of a Tyrannosaur" Awesome). So, let's just sit back, relax, and try not to jog Tor's elbow... too much :-D I'm certain our patience will be rewarded. |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 03:25pm EDT |
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Chuck Norris is writing a book for Tor Webscriptions about his experiences in power armor on the back of a T-Rex?
I'd buy that in a pico-second! |
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Thursday August 21, 2008 04:36pm EDT |
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Me too! Though, you do know that the reason the dinosaurs are extinct is because someone once loaned Chuck Norris a time machine? |
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DrakBibliophile joined: Sunday July 20, 2008 posts: 33 location: Danville |
Thursday August 21, 2008 07:08pm EDT |
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Word over on Baen's Bar (Toni's Table) is that the 'technical issues' may include a new physical site for webscriptions and developing new software to convert electronic books into the various formats. Much of the current converting is done personally by Arnold. That's fine for only Baen's books, but not so fine when Tor's books are included into the mix.
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It's been a few weeks but is anyone still reading this conversation? I have a different complaint with the same title, 'TOR's lack of follow though with ebooks'. I subscribed at least twice to the mailing list before the website was up and running, and heard nothing at all. Couldn't get in touch with Tor. After a couple of tries i forgot about it thinking it was some scam to get my e address, and was glad i'd used a disposable address.
Then i was emailed the October 08 newsletter. Nothing else. Nothing in my spam (i checked). A mystery. And two months too late to get any of the free ebooks. Finally Tor replied to my emails (the very same e address, questions@tor.com, that had ignored me for weeks) and they were apologetic but offered nothing except what's available to every user from now on. I'm even more gutted now i've been looking around the site and found 'Farthing' was one of the freebies - having just, literally just (this week), discovered Jo Walton. 80( Anyone else? And a newbie question: is there a way i can follow specific tags (eg ebooks) without having to look at the vast number of posts in the blog as a whole? Thanx |