This is going to be a much shorter article than the one on why I hate fantasy.
I hate horror because it either bores me or terrifies me, and not in a good way.
Let’s deal with “terrifies” first. I am so easily frightened by things that are actually scary that Stephen King’s “how to write” book (On Writing) gave me literal honest-to-goodness nightmares. It’s a pretty good “how to write” book, with interesting stuff about his process and career and honest stuff about his addiction problems. I recommend it. However, in the course of the book and for good reasons, he summarizes his novel Misery. It’s well named. It’s been making me miserable every time I think about it ever since. I had trouble going to sleep and had nightmares—and this not from the book itself, but from the author’s synopsis of the book.
I am, however, prepared to put up with this distress on occasion as if the story is worth it, if this is one element in it. In horror, it so seldom is.
The tropes of horror do nothing for me at all. The undead do not strike me as mysterious and sexy, but as a cliche that has been way overdone. Rivers of blood leave me yawning. Skeletons and mummies just strike me as stupid. They’re boring. They’re cliched. Eldritch horrors were original when Lovecraft did them, now they’re dull. Oh, graveyards. Look, monsters in modern settings. It’s all about as interesting as bell ringing.
So, as you can imagine, I don’t read much horror.
The last couple of times I tried, it’s been things by authors who work in other genres. I was fine with George R.R. Martin’s Skin Trade, even though it’s about werewolves and was published in a book with a black cover. I can’t say I was actually fine with Susan Palwick’s collection The Fate of Mice, but I think it’s terrific writing and I’m not sorry I read them. (Gestella did bother me a lot. But you should read it anyway.)
Pretty much all of Kristine Kathryn Rusch’s work edges into being frightning, but it isn’t genre horror with blood everywhere. Alien Influences is a good but scary SF novel. Traitors is a good but scary fantasy novel. I figured I could therefore cope with a novel of hers published as horror. But in fact, no. It piled on the gore to a degree I just couldn’t deal with, and before the characters had been sufficiently established that I cared about them. Because it’s horror, and what horror readers want is blood, right away, rivers of it, and scary stuff too, immediately, even before you care about the characters.
People kept saying I was being unfair to horror and there was all this great stuff out there—which is what I fully expect everyone is about to say in comments. I asked my horror-reading husband to recommend me something. I asked for something well-written, not too scary, and not using the cliches of the genre. What he gave me was S.P. Somtow’s Riverrun, and this is why I know I hate horror and I am never going to try it again, no matter what.
Somtow is a writer whose non-horror work I like a lot. The Shattered Horse is a very good post-fall-of-Troy historical fantasy. Jasmine Nights seems at first like a semi-autobiographical novel about an odd geeky boy growing up in Bangkok, but it flowers into a fantasy. It would be terrific anyway, and Bangkok is more alien than most alien worlds in SF, but as it is it’s a masterpiece.
I was ready to give Riverrun the benefit of every possible doubt. And indeed, it’s brilliantly written. Nevertheless it managed to hit both of my “why I hate horror” buttons at once. It distressed me and it’s using boring cliched tropes. Spoilers coming up! The distressing bit probably wouldn’t bother most people as much as it bothered me. There’s a boy with a brother who goes missing in a mysterious way and everyone starts acting as if he never had a brother at all. My sister died when we were about the same age as the kids in the story, so this was just out and out personally triggery. It was all well done. I was coping. Then the brother, now grown up, went into a fantasy world. I perked up a little. In the fantasy world, in the first two minutes, he’s on a raft, being poled by a skeleton down a river of blood. And this is non-cliched horror? OK...
We can’t all like everything. Think of the terrible shortage of shoggoths.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 02:35pm EDT
I'm not so big on horror. Read lots of R.L Stine when I was that age, though.
Friday October 31, 2008 02:43pm EDT
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And what IS it with zombies? I do NOT get why they're so attractive as a type of evil... they've been done so much that it's a red flag of unoriginality. And the explicit violence seems... overdone. We know it's not real, so it's not actually horrible.... but it worries me a bit that so many people seem to get off on graphic violence and, in the case of movies like the Saw series, torture.
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Friday October 31, 2008 03:57pm EDT
And I'm pleased, sort of, to find that someone else was as disturbed by Gestella as I was. I thoroughly enjoyed Palwick's The Necessary Beggar, so bought The Fate of Mice. Read "Gestella" first, I think because a reviewer had praised it highly. And never read any of the other stories in the book, and haven't been able to bring myself to try Shelter yet.
Friday October 31, 2008 04:05pm EDT
Going a fair way back there's M. R. James, who's occasionally grisly but not explicitly so for the most part, and whose ghosts are (or were for the time) fairly original.
That said, I'll second the comments on the over-reliance on explicit gore and violence in horror films -- it's often the opposite of terrifying. Rather dull, and sometimes morally questionable.
Friday October 31, 2008 04:36pm EDT
If a vampire (to use a trope I personally don't like much) is just a vampire=no interest. If it's a fully-realized and original character, that's to the good. Same with dragons and starship pilots.
Now gore, on the other hand....
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 04:43pm EDT
Otter B: Shelter is just amazing, one of the best books I read last year. I'm surprised it wasn't on all the awards lists. Do read it.
Carbonel: I vaguely remember not liking it, but only vaguely.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 05:19pm EDT · amended on Saturday November 01, 2008 07:07am EDT
I don't like much "mainstream" horror,but among my absolute favorites are works like:
Shirley Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House and We have always lived in the Castle;
Jean Ray's Malpertuis;
E.T.A. Hoffmann Der Sandmann .
And then,Henry James' ghost stories :The Turn of the Screw,The Jolly Corner,The Friends of the friends ;
Arthur Machen's The Three Impostors;
Robert Chambers The King in Yellow ;
Gustav Meyrink Der Golem;
Richard Matheson I am Legend,Stir of Echoes
Friday October 31, 2008 05:29pm EDT
Ah, now I know! I also look forward to future posts in which I am told what I like in a meal, and in a sexual partner.
Friday October 31, 2008 05:49pm EDT
I don't find meat horrifying (well, I do, but I don't want to read about it), bones, blood, torture, etc. - but people dealing with the uncertainty in their own minds, resolving cognitive dissonance (and being wrong about it, that short sharp shock of coming suddenly upon a truth that is unfaceable).
There's a bit at the end of the first of the Fionovar books by Kay that was true horror to me - the heroine is being tortured, yes and that's horrible and all, but she's heroining through it the best she can, and it's not the physical torture that's horrifying, it's what happens next, after she's been pushed so far she retreats into her own mind. Now that is more true horror than Goodkind can stuff into a thousand lovingly described torture scenes.
I'm not good at describing it, and there's not much of it out there, which is why I don't read horror much. But I appreciate it when I find it.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 05:54pm EDT
I like bell ringing.
When I have seen handbell-ringing teams on TV, they always wear white gloves. I'm not sure why. Perhaps this allows them to get a firm grip on the handles of their bells, or something.
At my church, there is also a group of handbell ringers. Their music is lovely.
However, they all wear black gloves.
Invariably, whenever I see them perform, the thought leaps unbidden to my mind that they are Bell-Ringing Stranglers. I can't help it.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 06:05pm EDT
This led to me reading a ton of Forgotten Realms and DragonLance novels (which I'd earlier, correctly, written off as badly-written trash), and I understand what it is that people like about them, because I like the same thing, even if I prefer it in more interesting forms.
But I also read a ton of Stephen King, and I never was able to figure out the appeal there. They're well-written books, clearly, but doing something I just could not even make myself care about when I was trying to make myself care about it. (The exception is The Stand, which is really just mystic-tinged post-apocalypse, and does what good post-apocalypse does; that I get.)
These days, I just recognize that I'm not going to like a bunch of stuff that's objectively great, which is a weird thing to think, but clearly true.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 06:52pm EDT
I wonder how I'd feel if I revisited those books. Probably unimpressed. But I still have a soft spot in my heart for Watchers.
Friday October 31, 2008 07:24pm EDT
But overall, I wouldn't say the book is a horror book; it just happens to have a vampire in it.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 07:57pm EDT
I agree with Jim Kiley in #2 about "Heart-Shaped Box". It's phenomenal. It reminds me of the old-fashioned kind of horror that Platypus Rising talks about in #10. (I loved "The Lottery" and "The Haunting of Hill House".)
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 07:58pm EDT
Steven King's "The Raft." Short, to the point, and unbelievably scary, esp. when I've seen "that raft" on lakes 'round here for decades.
Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream." I have a copy of that collection in an OLD paper back, I'm saving it for my friend John who thinks it might be his favorite of all time. I, however, will not even look at the cover out of fear of remembering the story.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday October 31, 2008 08:20pm EDT
People keep saying this because it's true. I wouldn't advise you to find this out for yourself... if you don't like horror, the research would bring you no pleasure. But horror isn't about the standard tropes of Dracula, Wolf Man, and Frankenstein's monster any more than fantasy is about elves. People don't read horror for "rivers of blood" any more than they read science fiction for engineering problems. (I've read plenty of horror--admittedly mostly non-gory horror, as I hate gore--and have never run across a river of blood. I'm not familiar with Riverrun, but to me a guy "on a raft, being poled by a skeleton down a river of blood" sounds like parody.)
If someone asked me for "something well-written, not too scary, and not using the cliches of the genre..."
Actually, I'd have no idea what to tell them. I know plenty of horror stories that are well written, and rise above cliche, but it's hard to predict what someone else will find "too scary." Everybody has different triggers.
(If someone just asked for something well written and not cliched, I'd start with M. R. James. My taste in horror is a bit old-fashioned; my favorite recent horror collection is Sarah Monette's The Bone Key, which is very much in the Jamesian tradition. One of the creepiest stories in the collection is available on her website.)
rickg, #3: It mystifies me how we can see new movies almost every weekend that are basically the same thing. People get trapped in place, hunted by scary things. They die.
"Trapped in place, hunted by scary things. They die," does not describe the entirety, and maybe not even the majority, of the horror genre on film. But, yeah, a lot of them look the same. Most sports movies are also "basically the same thing;" so are most romantic comedies, and most heist movies. Name any genre; ninety percent of the movies that make it up will be basically the same thing, and will be even less distinguishable to those who aren't interested. (I can't tell the difference between most westerns.)
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Hard not to like cool dog books Torie, as far as Koontz goes.
Waiting for bluejo's 'Why I hate mysteries' chapter of this series.
:)
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday November 01, 2008 02:23am EDT
I also read a fair bit of horror (mostly short stories) as a teenager, as it fell in the category of "anything I can get my hands on"; the authors I liked enough then to recall now were Steve Rasnic Tem, Ramsey Campbell, and Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. I don't think you'd like the Yarbro; it's all vampire-y, and while the way she treats hers was novel to me at the time, I don't know that I'd find it so now. I don't remember anything specific about the stories from the other two, only that I liked them.
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday November 01, 2008 07:12am EDT
Michael Moorcock's The Black Corridor
and
Fritz Leiber's Our Lady of Darkness
Saturday November 01, 2008 07:32am EDT
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday November 01, 2008 11:25am EDT
I can't calibrate because we haven't read many of the same horror-ish books; but I got definite horror vibes off of several of the old "John Taine" books. Particularly White Lily and Seeds of Life. While still liking them enough to reread now and then. At this distance I think it's maybe that the characters aren't in hopeless positions, and doing sensible stuff helps.
Saturday November 01, 2008 11:40am EDT
Years ago, my friends and I went on a haunted hayride through the vast back-fields of a garden center and working farm. There were seven folks in our party, plus a few more people we didn't know to make for a full load in the truck.
The ride took us through a number of stock exhibits — the crazy butcher with jointed human parts hanging in the shop, the widow sitting next to her dessicated husband, the condemned guy in the electric chair — but these were more comic-horror than anything that struck deep.
Between two set pieces, however, our truck slowed to a halt. We were all looking toward the glow of the next exhibit. At that moment, someone ran up to the side of the truck, grabbed one of our party, dragged her off the truck, and ran back into the treeline with her screaming in his arms.
This completely surprised all of us, but not as much as what one of the folks whom we didn't know said:
"He was supposed to take me. I was the plant."
I was not the only one who felt a wash of adrenaline go through the veins at her statement. For some reason, that scared the living shit out of all of us.
Zombies, werewolves, spouting gore, even vampires don't unsettle me as much as a normal situation — even a normal horror hayride — gone awry. Take away my sense of cause and effect, rational thought, or the predictable, and then you've got me scared. That's what good horror writing or film would do for me.
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There is enough overlap between sufficiently advanced technology and magic that the genre I mean when I say SF can embrace both readily. I can imagine A.J. Budrys' Rogue Moon with the serial numbers filed off and sold to Weird Tales as Indiana Jones and the Temple on the Moon - perhaps ectoplasm rather than transporter technolgy? - I can even see the serial numbers restored so to speak and traced backward. A.J. has a short with dogs too - enough to give me waking nightmares.
Then too the Turner Diaries made me carry an extra extra magazine for a while aftr I read it - a rational response to that horror I think.
I enjoy Glen Cook's tales of the Black Company and his detective in a fantasy world sticks close enough to hard boiled rules (Marlowe, Continental Op, Pronzini's Nameless et. al) or rails to amuse me though in the funny once category.
A classic puzzler in an SF setting works for me when the rules are followed - Lord Darcy, Gil the ARM; if not a classic puzzler then what? - and the horror leaks out of a horror story when the Krebs cycle is ignored.
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday November 01, 2008 02:30pm EDT
The book, not the movie, leaves out most of these so-called horror tropes you hate and goes straight for the meat and bones of it, like a dry rot from the head down. King's best novel, ever. Period. Its completely character driven and the complex tri-partite psychology of mother-father-son is unfolded slowly and expertly in a quasi-supernatural setting.
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This movie has no werewolves, vampires, zombies, or serial killers and not a single drop of blood, but (to me) it's much scarier than most movies filled with them. It's also (non-spoiler!) a truly touching musing on a mother's love for her child and a child's love and need for her mother.
Still not recommended to Jo; did you all miss the part where she said she doesn't like being terrified?
(I sure wouldn't recommend the book The Shining to anyone who didn't like being terrified. I had to sleep with the light on after reading it and couldn't leave the shower curtain closed for quite some time.)
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday November 01, 2008 05:33pm EDT
For more visceral horror, I always recommend Song of Kali by Dan Simmons. This book really got to me. Taking place mostly in Calcutta, a writer tries to uncover the strange reappearance of a poet everyone thought had died. Indian death cults and yes, zombies, are involved. But you feel such an overwhelming sense of pure dread and despair for the protagonist, his wife, and child as well as the crushing humidity and reek of corruption of all kinds in the city, your stomach will be in a knot. (Personally, I like to be safely scared by a good book sometimes.)
Saturday November 01, 2008 05:48pm EDT
I'm a big fan of Sheridan LeFanu. I think "The White People" by Arthur Machen is a fantastic story. In fact, I would recommend virtually every story in Great Ghost Stories of the World (also published as The Haunted Omnibus), which is where I first read the Machen story.
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On the other hand, some of these comments also make me wonder if there's not some inverse relation here between horror and science fiction. I'm thinking of several of the people I know who are deep (literary) horror fans and how their eyes glaze over when I name favorite scifi authors. I wonder why . . .
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday November 01, 2008 09:08pm EDT
Is it that strange an idea that Jo's husband, who does like and read horror, would have a better chance of guessing what from the genre, if anything, she would like than would most if not all of the commenters here?
Not everyone likes the kinds of things you like, or the kinds of things I like. That's one of the cool things about there being lots of different people: we are different.
Saturday November 01, 2008 09:34pm EDT
Perhaps they also read the bit where Walton says, "I am, however, prepared to put up with this distress on occasion as if the story is worth it, if this is one element in it" and a recommending stories that they think are indeed "worth it."
Also, I'd bet that most of the commenters understand that their comments, like the blog post itself, are going to be read by the public and that members of the public may wish to have some work recommended to them, or to read a discussion of recommended work?
It would be rather peculiar for a blog sponsored by a company that still occasionally publishes horror to not feature such a discussion.
Saturday November 01, 2008 10:34pm EDT
Ghost stories aren't all horror, but ghost stories (even Victorian ones -- though James I think is a little after Victoria) can count as horror if that's the affect they're trying to achieve [1]. So James is probably a horror author because he wanted to scare his audience. Conventionally, he's been considered part of the canon since Lovecraft's 'Supernatural Horror in Literature' and Ramsey Campbell, for example, occasionally writes stories that are Jamesian to the core, but no-one denies that they're horror stories.
[1] Strictly, anything that's intended to scare you is probably a horror story, no matter what tropes it's using.
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday November 02, 2008 12:48am EDT
I also find this to be true, especially of musical genre. I have a pretty high tolerance for inferior punk, f'rex, but no tolerance at all for mediocre hip-hop.
We like the genres we like because they have tropes we enjoy. If you just love the archtype of the hero(ine) discovering and growing into his/her new-found mystical powers, you will probably like even some fairly cookie-cutter fantasies. If you don't, then you're going to be much more picky--the story will have to do something more than just scratch that familiar itch. It seems that horror is set of tropes that are particularly strong.
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday November 02, 2008 07:59am EST
However, I will second anef @ 26's recommendation of Bareback by Kit Whitfield (retitled Benighted in the US), partly because I hadn't really thought of it as a horror novel at all, despite the werewolves. The setting is an alternate present in which 99% of the population are lycanthropes and 1% are not, and I originally read it as a submission for the Arthur C Clarke Award, so I mentally filed it under magical alternate history a la Strange & Norrell, The Light Ages, or Temeraire. Very much looking forward to her second novel, In Great Waters, next March.
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1: I was pretty happy to find a series where the protagonist becomes a supernatural creature without also dumping every shred of post-Enlightenment political belief.
2: Contrived schemes to acquire water would be near the top of my list. Ben Bova's Titan, for example, has a contrived plot pitting conservationists against exploitationists over the use of Saturn's rings as a source of water. There are two related problems with this idea:
A: It is intuitively obvious that any material in Saturn's rings must be within the Roche limit for Saturn and that in turn implies - because of Saturn's mass [3]and the material's proximity to Saturn - that retrieving material from the rings will be somewhat pricy in terms of delta vee.
B: Once you get out past the frost line in the Solar System, water ice is an increasingly major component of moons and other small bodies. This is intuitively obvious because as we all know water is made up of the most common element in the universe combined with the third most common element in the universe and the rate at which water ice sublimates in vacuum drops as the temperature drops.
If you don't want to use the rings, which you wouldn't anyway because of A, use one of the other bodies orbiting Saturn (at least 60 of which are known).
3: And don't get me started on people who think Jupiter is a good place to get hydrogen or who think this can be done simply by sticking a long straw into Jupiter so that its internal pressure will blow H2 into space.
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday November 02, 2008 12:19pm EST
Read it again a few years ago (early 20's) and while it was still a little creepy, it wasn't anything to give me bad dreams.
I guess when I was 13 that whole adult abandonment/betrayal thing went a whole lot deeper
VIEW ALL BY · Monday November 03, 2008 07:58am EST
As to the whole 'vampire as sex object' meme, I really really don't get that at all. I get the 'werewolf as sex object' meme because they work as symbols of unbridled animal passion, but not vampires.
I second "Madness Season" though I always considered the protagonist more werewolf than vampire at base.
I think that for some people horror, like genre fiction in general, is 'comfort food' and so they like their tropes out in the open because it makes them feel at ease.
Wednesday November 05, 2008 09:59am EST
'Horror' should speak of range, from one end of the spectrum to the other into the blackest of places in reflection of life. It should not speak of focus, any more than the 'science' in 'science fiction' should speak of focus.
Here, in horror, there exists a freedom to touch the extremes, but not a license to dwell on them, especially to a desensitizing degree. It is about wonder and the terror of knowing that anything can happen, including doom being the ultimate victor. It is not about glorifying atrocity and sickness, but gaining perspective on it. It is about humanizing, not dehumanizing. It is about balance of all things, a thorough emotional exploration. Without that, it is inhuman and nothing that sensible people would desire intimacy with.
Without contrast, it is the same note struck again and again until the mind dampens the sound into triviality. It is the lives of the characters, all of whom have sorrows and burdens and dreams and faults, and the journey through their distinct perspectives that make it worthwhile. The soul of horror lies in tragedy and one cannot move the heart in any direction if the fiction has no capacity to reach it in the first place. It draws its greatest strength from heart, which is something that cannot be imitated without it becoming an absurd parody, and accessible characters with whom the reader can relate and get to know as they would real people.
Blood and gore should be a situational byproduct. They are not a vital ingredient, as nearly a decade of more-terror-and-gore suggestions in rejection letters would suggest. I disagree with them and will no longer bend to something I don't believe in. Most of the time, I want to tone down. They want to tone up. I can't subcribe to that and I am entitled to my opinion, even if it precludes me from publication. Arguably: especially if it does so. That aside, I say this primarily as a reader, among those that the industry scared away to the point where I have no trust in names I do not know.
I know this genre has great potential, amazing potential, but it will not achieve it until it rethinks its approach.
On about every level.
I look forward to the day that it does.
As I will have many great books to read.
That will be a wonderful thing.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday November 05, 2008 11:00am EST
@ Jo - if you can still be persuaded to give so-called "horror" a try, I would recommend two short stories: The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilman and Night Fears by L.P. Hartley. You won't find psycho killers, blood, gore or "rivers of blood" in either one, but they both scared me in the way that I associate with a "good" horror story. Oh, and definitely read "The Face in the Frost" by John Bellairs. It's the only book I've ever read that was funny and scary at the same time (and no blood rivers either).
@ #18 BenHM3: Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream" still terrifies me to this day. I wouldn't even keep the book in the house. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
@ #31 Giant: King's best novel, ever. Period. Agreed. It's the only one I own and have ever re-read. I'm probably one of the few people who thinks the Jack Nicholson movie is terrible because of the deviation from the book. Actually, I think I've tried two or three of King's other books and I found they didn't suit me. I'm strictly a Shining fan.
I still scan the horror section of the used book stores, after I've finished with the science fiction and fantasy areas, because horror can mean different things to different people. I let myself skip over John Saul, V.C. Andrews, Dean Koontz and other standard horror writers and look for the odd names, maybe first books by people whose writing falls through the genre cracks and ends up filed under horror.
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday May 28, 2009 03:02pm EDT
I want a horror book dressed up like science fiction. I am Legend by Mattheson could nearly be considered this. That is by far-and-away the greatest horror story ever written. It's so fantastic that I may go reread it right now...