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posted Thursday September 17, 2009 12:03pm EDT

No ice, no fire: George R.R. Martin’s A Feast for Crows

Jo Walton

In the first three volumes of this series, Martin wrote chapters from different limited third-person points of view, with each character’s chapters forming a complete story but all the chapters interlinked and commenting on each other. The chapters weren’t in any particular order—sometimes there would be two chapters from the same character interrupted by just one from someone else, and sometimes there would be huge gaps between. Each chapter was marked with the name of the narrator, so you knew who you were with right away. This worked remarkably well. This is actually a very unusual way to write and structure a novel. There are a variety of more standard ways of doing multiple viewpoints, including a very popular variant of omniscient invented by Dickens in which the writer switches into the head of any character at will to give a little of the story from everyone’s perspective—which may be as little as one chapter, or even one paragraph. In this system narrators are points-of-view and not people who necessarily have their own stories, and they are used as convenient. Martin gives us multiple narrators, but they are the same narrators—with new ones in each volume as old ones get killed off, to be sure. This is one of the things that makes these books so memorable and so nifty.

In A Feast For Crows he departs from this system to show us what’s happening in Dorne and in the Iron Islands—instead of giving us one new viewpoint for each of them, he gives us a whole set of them, some for just one chapter, some for two. This is one of the things that makes this book less satisfactory, for me. I missed the discipline and shape provided by the controlled points of view.

I read that Martin’s original intention was to begin the fourth book with a five year gap (in internal story chronology, not publication time!) after the end of A Storm of Swords. This is only the second time I have read A Feast for Crows, but the more I think about it, the better idea the gap seems. Up to the end of A Storm of Swords everything felt directed, it was huge but I was confident it knew where it was going. A Feast For Crows is uncomfortably much like Stuff Happens. It all happened. It all needed to have happened. We didn’t need to see it, and what we did need could have been handled as backstory, the same way the way of the Trident was. I wonder whether Martin might be less stuck now if he’d stayed with that original purpose?

This is of course made worse because Feast is half a book—all the story for half the characters. We don’t see Bran or Jon or Daenerys. This means we don’t get any ice or any fire. This book is all human level interactions. The Damphair seems to be really killing people and really bringing them back to life—more zombies!—and there’s a glass candle burning in the Citadel, but that’s all.

I already said I don’t like the Dorne and Iron Islands points of view. The two new “real” points of view are Cersei and Brienne. The book starts with five chapters before you get a familiar point of view. Brienne is cool. I like her point of view and I like her story, even if it is, objectively, futile and pointless wandering about looking for people and not finding them. Oh, and I don’t like the “resolution” of her strangling and screaming “a word.” I’m sure she’s not dead, and I found the tension on that artificial. (See also, Arya, blind.) Cersei disappointed me. Unlike her twin, she’s very much the same inside as she seemed from outside. I don’t think it would have been possible to have done this book without her. She’s such a villain and such an idiot, she annoys me even more than Catelyn did. I appreciate that Martin’s contrasting ways to be a woman, I think that’s wonderful, but I think Cersei from inside is a bit much. It’s nice seeing her try to run the country, as Ned and then Tyrion did, but she makes such a mess of it I just want to shake her.

The treatment of religion in these books generally is brilliant—and surprisingly realistic. There’s the old religion and the new religion, and the new new religion, and the idea in Braavos that all religions worship their god, the Dothraki religion, and even Bakkalon in Meereen (Bakkalon the pale child with a sword appears in a number of Martin’s earlier works as a nutty religion, most notably And Seven Time Never Kill Man). The “reformation” of the Septs in this volume is my favourite thing in it. The sparrows, the new High Septon, the newly revived religious fighting orders—all this is great.

It’s possible that when A Dance With Dragons appears the things that feel unsatisfactory in this volume will stop grating on me. And even with everything that does feel unsatisfactory, and even wishing he had leapt five years ahead over all these events, I still couldn’t put it down, and I still dreamed about it every night, and I shall be buying A Dance With Dragons the second it hits the shelves. Watch this space. But don’t, you know, hold your breath.


Jo Walton is a science fiction and fantasy writer. She’s published eight novels, most recently Half a Crown and Lifelode, and two poetry collections. She reads a lot, and blogs about it here regularly. She comes from Wales but lives in Montreal where the food and books are more varied.

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27 comments
Elio GarcĂ­a
1.  Egarcia
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 01:23pm EDT
GRRM struggled for about a year to write AFfC as a book taking place 5 years after ASoS, and he couldn't make it work to his satisfaction. This may be his failure as a writer, a failure in structuring the work (in fact, the difficulty in rewriting AFfC, ultimately leading to the split, probably does have to do with structural issues -- GRRM packed all the big "booms" into ASoS, regardless of chronology, and left the timeline for AFfC rather tattered), or it could really be that it would have led to a very poor novel. It's hard to say what of what we've seen is actually necessary to the narrative -- the author obviously thinks it was (two things he cited in particular: Brienne, and the Dornish response to Oberyn's death).

That said, I very much like AFfC, and consider it nearly par with the rest of the novels of the series. But it's fundamentally very different. Pretty much all the POVs, for example, fall within an overarching theme: the eponymous "feast of crows", everyone tearing at the bleeding kingdom, the victory worse than the war, and the highlighting of the disasterous lack of preparation for what's coming.

Brienne, Jaime, Cersei, the ironborn, the Dornish -- all their chapters just feed into this. It is, in its way, daring. The long-term ill-effects of a civil war aren't very usually dealt with in fantasy novels, but GRRM lays it out there with typical, steely-eyed grit. It's ugly stuff, war, and there's really no winners: just losers; Cersei's maxim that one can win the game of thrones is illusory.

It takes a lot of shine off of Ned's willingness to plunge the realm into war thanks to his highfalutin notions of personal honor, and Robb's doing so with gusto, and of course I think it makes Daenerys's desire to reconquer her father's realm a much more ambivalent thing (even as it seems it's probably the only solution to the Others).

Some have suggested GRRM came up with the resurgence of the Faith Militant quite late, but I know personally that he had the idea years before the book was published. I do think it's very well done, but it's also rather frightening given the way the novel ends. Cersei Lannister and Margaery Tyrell are in varying degrees of danger (my opinion on the question of Margaery's use of "moon tea" is that she was using it for medicinal, not abortifacient purposes, BTW), and by adding another pole to the complex political landscape, it seems likely that this move will lead to more, not less, instability down the road.

Finally, Cersei. Well, she was never as clever as she thought she was. Some have felt that she was a lot smarter and more dangerous in the previous books. But when your chief political opponent is know-nothing Ned Stark, well, the cards are stacked in your favor. Cersei lucked her way through a lot of things, or had other people around to limit the damage she could do (Tyrion, Tywin). Now that they're gone, there's nothing left. Also, while some people believe her sexual experimentation with Taena of Myr was meant to be erotic and have lambasted it, I think it's very much anti-erotic -- it's so awful, the way she thinks, the way she approaches it. She's a pathetic figure in a lot of ways.

(What to make of her growing dress size? Excessive drink and food -- she certainly spends most of AFfC in her cups, like Robert before her, which is doubtless an intended parallel -- or a hint that one of her lotharios have knocked her up, and shall she be pleading her belly to avoid the Faith's punishment? Way back when, GRRM said we'd see Casterly Rock, and I'm reminded that Eleanor of Acquitane was often locked up in a castle by her husband...)

I have to add about the Dornish POVs that I think "The Captain of the Guard" is one of the most beautiful chapters GRRM's ever written in the course of the series. One thing that George does exceedingly well, and which featured more in his early days as a writer, is melancholy; the melancholy is palpable in that chapter. I adore it. The final line of "The Princess of the Tower" is also something to send a shiver up any fan's spines. I believe that that's the main role of the ironborn and Dornish chapters: introducing why we're going to be seeing Victarion and Quentyn Martell showing up in the east, while showing the complex political situations which these actions developed from.

I'd also say that Euron Damphair's POVs are an interesting example of showing the internal thought process of a zealot, one who is clearly scarred by some childhood abuse ("creaking of rusty hinges"). But we know George knows how to write great characters; it will be interesting to see how he handles the similarly-zealous Melisandre of Asshai as a POV in Dance (not absolutely 100% confirmed by GRRM, but I'd say it's 99% probable given the hints he's dropped at cons and in blogs).
earthlingdave
2.  earthlingdave
Thursday September 17, 2009 02:17pm EDT
I wasn't able to get through FOC but maybe I'll give it another shot. Still looking forward to the next book.
Jonah Feldman
3.  relogical
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 03:15pm EDT
I was disappointed the first time I read it, but the second time, knowing that some plots wouldn't be covered, I enjoyed it as much as the others.

The time skip after SOS was unfeasible. Half the characters: Arya, Bran, Tyrion, Dany, maybe Jaime were set up for a skip of a few years, but King's Landing and Tommen's reign, the whole Dorne and Myrcella situation, and the Iron Islands would have felt incongruous if he had let time pass.

It did have a lot of good developments that would have been lost: it created the mystery of what had happened to Davos and the Hound, and we got a shitload of hints from Maester Aemon's ramblings. On the second reading I found it just as full of holy-shit events as the others.

The real problem is that the next book won't have these characters, and we'll have to wait a few books for Euron and Tyrion to get anywhere near Dany, or for Sansa to become an evil genius and take over the Vale, etc.
earthlingdave
4.  Superquail
Thursday September 17, 2009 03:17pm EDT
I feel that the Brienne chapters would have been much more interesting and suspenseful if we didn't have the Sansa chapters in there side-by-side telling us exactly where she was and what she was doing, and how far off Brienne really was from finding her. It's hard to say if it would have been possible to move the Sansa chapters to DWD since that book isn't out yet, but it seems like it would have been better to not know where Sansa was while Brienne did not know where Sansa was.

Just a thought.
David Bilek
5.  dtbilek
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 04:02pm EDT
Let me presage my comments by saying that, like Jo, I would buy ADwD the instant it hit the shelves. And if it ever does manage to hit the shelves, no doubt immediately preceded by Gerrold's A METHOD FOR MADNESS and possibly Ellison's THE LAST DANGEROUS VISIONS, that's exactly what I will do.

I thought FEAST was a pretty significant misstep. There were certainly great bits in it but it doesn't hang together the same way the previous volumes do. Jo nailed part of it with her commentary on the new style mini-viewpoint chapters. They are a kludge that doesn't mesh well with what we've previously seen.

Additionally, the ratio of new viewpoints to viewpoints we've been following in previous books is massively out of whack. FEAST could have been called "Brienne and some other stuff". Like Jo, I like Brienne. But no previous character has dominated a book the way she did here, and it is made even worse by the fact that she is a new viewpoint. FEAST simply does not flow from the previous book the way STORM and CLASH did.

I understand the reasoning behind releasing FEAST as a stop-gap until the other viewpoints were finished. In retrospect I think it was rather clearly a significant error. It demonstrably made it no easier to finish the DANCE viewpoints (it's been 4 years and DANCE was supposed to be mostly done when FEAST was published) and so the awkward nature of splitting the book this way was a cost that didn't actually bear any fruit. It was a jarring change to the series with no concurrent payoff.

Is it possible Martin will kick it into gear and this will be a minor hiccup? Sure. But from what he's been posting on his blog that doesn't appear to be happening; he's still stuck in the same spot he's been stuck for ages. Words are being written but they're just sort of expanding around the problematic areas. Which might actually make things worse.

The first three books in ASoIaF are without doubt the best fantasy of this type since Tolkien. On this point I will brook no dissension! I'd post that I actually enjoy the Martin more than Tolkien (while recognizing the unparalelled greatness of Tolkien's achievement) but Jo might spontaneously combust, so I won't. I would have been content if nothing after STORM had ever seen the light of day. But this bit of clunky pseudo-continuation we have in FEAST is far more problematic than if we'd simply ended with STORM.

Still hoping for the best. And now I'm missing RASFW more than ever.
Kristina Blake
6.  kab1
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 04:09pm EDT
Superquail, I agree with you. The way it was I just kept shouting "go to the vale, go to the vale!" but of course Brienne didn't listen to me! The one part where she almost went was such a teaser. Although I'm not sure if she and Pod would have safely made it there anyways.

I did dislike how he left Brienne, I mean, surely she's not dead, not after reading pages of her wanderings (but then again...). I really enjoy her character, and hope she comes back.

I enjoyed the parts with Littlefinger and Sansa a lot more on the second read thru. Maybe it's because I knew exactly what Littlefinger was up to. Also, on this read through I had more sympathy for and patience with Sansa's actions.

I also agree with relogical. I didn't enjoy it that much on a first read, but the second read was much better because I knew what was going to be missing. However, as others have pointed out, the novel feels a bit incomplete, for lack of a better word. I liked many of the individual parts within the novel, but overall it just didn't have the same flow as the other books.

I'm looking forward to A Dance with Dragons, although it's a bit disheartening that the timeframe for the novel is only slightly longer than Crows.
Eli Bishop
7.  EliBishop
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 04:17pm EDT
Jo, a minor quibble: I don't think Aeron is "really killing people and really bringing them back to life" in any zombie/magic sense. I think he's drowning people until they stop breathing, then bringing them back with basically CPR. Anyone (if they were mean enough) could do the same with some practice, though they'd still be likely to lose a few victims - and there's a mention of how that does happen sometimes, and how impressive it is that Aeron's guys all survive. It would be a traumatic and disorienting experience, which seems to be the point.

Anyway, I think this is meant to be a deliberate contrast with the other, magical forms of resurrection in the series. The Iron Islands are relentlessly materialistic, they don't have any magic at all, but they've made up their own mystical rite of passage using a simple physical trick - and since their culture is based on being pretty much total jerks, this experience is something that's done *to* you.
M W
8.  toryx
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 04:35pm EDT
Way back in the day, I talked to George about the five year skip problem and I understand why he chose to not follow that route. And for the most part, I still really enjoyed A Feast for Crows.

But I have to admit, I wish he'd found a way to skip the five years as well. I can understand his desire to show us some of the more pivotal events as they happened, and maybe to some degree those events can't be nearly as successful without using that tactic, but I think it ultimately takes us away from the real story.
Elio GarcĂ­a
9.  Egarcia
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 05:48pm EDT
dtbilek,

I can't contradict your perceptions. However, two points:

1) Cersei had more chapters than Brienne in AFfC.

2) Proportionally more chapters of AGoT was devoted to Ned Stark and proportionally more chapters of ACoK was devoted to Tyrion Lannister than the amount of chapters devoted to Brienne in AFfC (and ACoK isn't that much larger than AFfC, while AGoT and AFfC are pretty much equal in length).

As to the question of whether it "helped" or not, the fact is that besides the fact of wanting to get something out now rather than later, the other part of it is economics. The combined book would be so large as to lead Bantam to require it to be split in two. GRRM was pretty much done with the story in the South, while his major trouble spots were the North (a year ago he finished a Bran chapter that has bedeviled him some years) and the East (and he's still struggling with what he calls the "Meereenesse Knot")

These stories were not intertwined, so the stories that he completed in the south were completed as he intended them to be completed with all but two known exceptions, regardless of whether he published the book in a different way. And one notes that while many characters are in a state of uncertainty as to whether they live or die, just about all of them (the exception are Arya and Asha, who both will be showing up in A Dance with Dragons) have their storyline for that book completed in a thematic sense.

kab1,

This is an interesting thing about Brienne's chapter...

George's Polish translator got a galley to start cracking, and he reported that Brienne's chapter there ended differently than the one that was published. His quote made it seem explicit that she was dead (something about the rush of black wings in her head as things grew dark -- ravens being associated with death in the setting).

EliBishop,

Agreed on Aeron. It's ironborn CPR. In fact, a maester who has studied ironborn practices such of this ends up using it in the novella "The Sworn Sword" to resuscitate Dunk after he nearly drowns.

And speaking of that novella, any chance you'll give "The Hedge Knight" and "The Sworn Sword" a read and commentary, Jo? "The Hedge Knight" was, as I recall, nominated for a WFA and it give an interesting (and rather different) perspective on the Seven Kingdoms, while "The Sworn Sword" in some ways presages the thematic focus of AFfC.

toryx,

What's the real story?
earthlingdave
10.  koolkat735
Thursday September 17, 2009 06:31pm EDT
Excellent review, and some very intelligent comments. I agree with EliBishop that the "drowning" is nothing magical; as with strangling, people don't die as soon as they stop breathing, and my impression was that they were using CPR/rescue breathing to bring the victims back. Quite a dangerous baptism. Although if Theon, Euron or any of those jerks were to die of it, it would have some redeeming quality...

I also would have liked to see the five-year gap. I think that there's a limited role that the younger children can realistically play, and as I suspect Martin has big plans for Bran and Arya, would have liked to see them grow up a bit (perhaps Sansa as well--she's, what, 13?). It would also be better for Jon and Dany to get some experience in their leadership roles! And for Sam to have time to become a maester. I'm concerned that less time is being covered in each volume, and in AFfC there are a lot of events we didn't really need to see... as long as Martin gets back on track, though, it should all work out in the end.
Elio GarcĂ­a
11.  Egarcia
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 07:31pm EDT
I actually believe that A Feast for Crows covers as much or more time as A Storm of Swords, even taking into account the overlap in events. Certainly, both cover less time than the two previous volumes; but a large part of Game of Thrones is covered in transit (Robert's journey from and return to King's Landing took months; Daenerys skips weeks and months at a time), whereas incidentless travel by the later part of the series becomes increasingly unlikely.

It's very hard to say what we did or did not need to see without the whole work in front of us. As I said earlier, GRRM's said that certain things turned out to have to be shown, for whatever reason. Of course, he could be wrong, but it's difficult for us to say without seeing the final result.

I'm reminded of the first proposed audio book for Game of Thrones, severely abridged; GRRM rejected it because they were cutting details that he was putting in for much later, and details which he knew (from experience with his rather organic, "gardening" approach) might not mean anything now but might later fall into place as something much more important than he initially envisioned.

Bantam eventually went unabridged with the audio books.
David Bilek
12.  dtbilek
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 08:00pm EDT
Egarcia: I shouldn't have singled out Brienne. What I meant was that brand new viewpoints dominated FEAST in a way they had never done before, which made the story very jarring and without the flow from one book to the next that we had previously seen.

Cersei was another new viewpoint and so contributed to the problem rather than helping with it.

Previously, a few viewpoints had been dropped between books and a few added which gave a nice feeling of continuity. FEAST turned this completely on its head.
earthlingdave
13.  peachy
Thursday September 17, 2009 08:03pm EDT
The two best parts of FFC for me (besides the grimly realistic depiction of what a civil war can do, mentioned above) :

- First, the various revelations that are starting to fill in the background (why Cersei hates Tyrion so much, though wrongly - it's Jaime, you fool!; Littlefinger's assorted machinations; the hidden policy of Dorne etc)

- Second, the continuing evolution of Jaime Lannister - and the corresponding evolution of readers' perceptions of him. At this point, he's getting close to being a favourite character (now watch GRRM kill him off.)

Otherwise it did suffer from some of the standard problems of a middle book, especially in such a sprawling story.
Kristina Blake
14.  kab1
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday September 17, 2009 08:56pm EDT
hmmm...so it may be curtains for Brienne after all. bummer.

I hope he doesn't kill off Jaime as well, I'm really starting to like the guy. I agree that getting more info on Cersei was very interesting. I think she's wrong number of points, I think it's clear that Jamie is the brother (although maybe not if Tyrion returns with Dany) and that Dany is the younger queen not Margery.
earthlingdave
15.  Superquail
Friday September 18, 2009 02:17pm EDT
The first time I read FEAST I got the strong impression that Jaime was starting to fall in love with Brienne, which I think has a sort of poetic beauty to it. He was never likely to find a woman more beautiful than his sister, but to find someone with more integrity, more intelligence, and who could kick his ass in a fight has a deep and powerful attraction for him. I think he respects Brienne far more than he ever respected his own twin, which makes me think that if Brienne lives that she and Jaime might get together. That would REALLY piss Cersei off.

Speaking of which, who thinks that Jaime is really going to ride to her rescue? Only he and Illyn Payne know just how bad he is as a fighter now that he's lost his hand.

Cersei is afraid that Margaery is the queen from the prophecy, but while it might be Dany, I'm hoping that Martin throws us some twists there, too. I wouldn't seeing Sansa strangle Cersei, and wouldn't it be messed up if the younger, more beautiful queen is Myrcella? We are told that Myrcella is more intelligent than Tommen and kinder than Cersei - hardly her mother's child.

In terms of the distribution of chapters in the book, I am wondering if later editions of these books (if and when Martin should ever finish them) might arrange the chapters differently. I know that Tolkein originally intended for his Lord of the Rings to be a single volume, but because of publishing limitations they had to cut book into three pieces. (I also heard that he didn't much care for the title "Return of the King" because it sort of gave it all away.)
piaw na
16.  piaw
VIEW ALL BY · Friday September 18, 2009 06:53pm EDT
I gave up reading GRRM after AFfC. I thought it was a book in which nothing happened, and was a waste of my time (not to mention money). I've decided not to read any more books in the series until it's all finished.
Elio GarcĂ­a
17.  Egarcia
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday September 19, 2009 03:45am EDT
Superquail,

I don't think Jaime'll be rescuing her from that particular predicament.

My own guess is that the "word" Brienne screams is "sword" (one of the two choices Stoneheart gave her), meaning that she accedes to her demand that she kill Jaime.

I suspect there's tragedy coming for that particular relationship.
earthlingdave
18.  Superquail
Saturday September 19, 2009 05:22am EDT
Egarcia:

I really like Brienne as a character, so don't get me wrong when I say that the woman hasn't been able to keep a single of her well-intentioned vows. She vowed to find Renly's killer, and got totally distracted from that. She vowed to keep Jaime safe and make a trade for his daughters, that whole thing blew up in her face due to circumstances far beyond her control, and so she was at a loss until Jaime gave her a new thing to vow about. Even if she does vow to kill Jaime this time, I don't think that vow will have any more success than any of the others.

Brienne is a noble spirit who tries to live honorably and do the right thing. The fact that she can never succeed is more of a commentary on the world she's living in than on her.
Jo Walton
19.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday September 19, 2009 08:11am EDT
Superquail: Yeah, look how well being honorable at all times worked out for Ned! The dice are loaded against Brienne I think.
earthlingdave
20.  Superquail
Saturday September 19, 2009 01:36pm EDT
bluejo: But who knows? Maybe Brienne will find her way to Dany. I think Dany would be fascinated by her.

BTW - I am a HUGE fan of "Tooth and Claw"! I've recommended it to everyone I know, and they all think it is the bomb-digity. We all had that feeling of "We want more!" at the end.
Elio GarcĂ­a
21.  Egarcia
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday September 19, 2009 07:15pm EDT · amended on Saturday September 19, 2009 07:17pm EDT
I think Brienne's POV is very important in that respect. Consider the parallel with Jaime, who broke his sworn word to do a terrible deed that saved a lot of innocent lives, something which Brienne at first condemned him for but then became not-so-sure about it. Now she's stuck in the position of having to either do something terrible, or break her word.

My favorite parallel, though, is Jaime and Jon. In ACoK and ASoS, Jon learns from Halfhand and experience that the vows serve a purpose, but they aren't the end all and be all of service; the spirit of what the vow means to achieve is more important than the letter.

By ASoS, Jaime seems to be articulating something similar.
earthlingdave
22.  AstraZenaca
Saturday September 19, 2009 07:42pm EDT
"Cersei is afraid that Margaery is the queen from the prophecy, but while it might be Dany, I'm hoping that Martin throws us some twists there, too. I wouldn't seeing Sansa strangle Cersei, and wouldn't it be messed up if the younger, more beautiful queen is Myrcella? We are told that Myrcella is more intelligent than Tommen and kinder than Cersei - hardly her mother's child. "


Yes, but Myrcella has virtually no shot at being more beautiful - she lost an ear and has a horrible scar now due to Dark Star atttempting to make her a head shorter.
earthlingdave
23.  Superquail
Saturday September 19, 2009 10:53pm EDT
Re: AstraZenaca

Good point.

What do you think will become of Myrcella? Will she ever be a player, or is she just going to be a piece?
Kristina Blake
24.  kab1
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday September 20, 2009 08:04pm EDT
Sorry to ask a lame question of everyone, but can anyone explain who exactly DarkStar is and why he tried to kill Myrcella? I listened to the audiobook and that whole plotline got lost in the shuffle.
Elio GarcĂ­a
25.  Egarcia
VIEW ALL BY · Monday September 21, 2009 04:18am EDT
kab1 @24,

Darkstar is Ser Gerold Dayne, the Knight of High Hermitage. He is a kinsman of the Daynes of Starfall. He's a very handsome, very dangerous fellow, who (it is implied) has been one of Princess Arianne's lovers. She included him in her conspiracy to crown Myrcella.

Darkstar urged Arianne to just murder Myrcella as the surest way to start a war and win Dorne's independence, rather than throw Dorne into a struggle for the Iron Throne. She refused. However, when she and her co-conspirators were apprehended, Darkstar attempted to kill Myrcella; she was only saved by her horse shying away, and he only ended up disfiguring her. In the confusion, he managed to escape.

The "why" of his wanting to kill Myrcella are unclear. Some believe he was working as the agent for someone else, such as chaos-loving Littlefinger or Varys. Some believe he's in it for himself, and wanted to start a war for his own purposes (perhaps for no better reason than as a chance to win fame to outshine his dead cousin, Ser Arthur Dayne, whom he has a big chip on his shoulder about).

Doran later questions Arianne's foolishness in involving "the most dangerous man in Dorne" in her plot.

He's a very unpleasant fellow, not as charming as Oberyn Martell, who I suspect was Dorne's most dangerous man before he gave up the ghost.
Kristina Blake
26.  kab1
VIEW ALL BY · Monday September 21, 2009 10:21pm EDT
Egarcia, very informative post. I'm glad the underlying "why" was not clear, I thought I had totally missed something there.

I'll admit I was a bit confused through the Dorne chapters in my listen, especially as the book opens with them. It can be a bit confusing to listen to the series on audiobooks as it is hard to skip around in them (unlike easier turning book pages!) to move back and remind yourself of a character, etc. Hearing a bunch of new names at once makes the characters get all jumbled up, just like being introduced to a bunch of new people all at once in real life.

Thanks!
Jo Walton
27.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 22, 2009 07:32am EDT
Kab1: There's always a danger in books that use multiple shifting points of view that you'll shift to someone and think "And why do I care about this again?" and be tempted to skip it. I've never done this with Martin and never even thought about doing it until I got to all the Dorne and Iron Islands stuff in aFFC. So I don't think it's just the audiobook confusing you, I think it's something that's really there.
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