
Re-reading these books right now is a mistake. Before I picked up A Game of Thrones (Bantam) again, I had only a calm interest in Jon Snowâs true parentage, Iâd forgotten who Jeyne Poole was, and best of all, I only mildly wanted A Dance with Dragons. I sagely nodded when I read that George R.R. Martin is not my bitch. I have every sympathy for this position. All the same, I know that by the time I get to the end of A Feast With Crows Iâll be desperate, desperate, desperate, so desperate for my fix that Iâll be barely able to control myself. I will be A Dance with Dragons-seeky, and is it out? Is it even finished? Like heck it is. And I know Iâm not entitled to it but I waaaaaaaaaant it! If I was a sensible person, Iâd have waited to re-read until it was ready and I could have had a new installment to go with the old. But now itâs too late.
So what is it about these books that makes me talk about them in terms of a two-year-old snatching at sweets in a supermarket?
Firstly, they have a very high âI-want-to-read-itâ quotient. This âIWantToReadItosityâ is hard to explain, is utterly subjective and is entirely separate from whether a book is actually good. Who can say why Robert Heinlein and Georgette Heyer and Zenna Henderson have it for me and Herman Hesse and Aldous Huxley donât, despite the fact that Hesse and Huxley are major world writers? Iâll happily acknowledge that The Glass Bead Game is a better book than Job: A Comedy of Justice, but nevertheless, Job has that IWantToReadItosity, and if you left me in a room with both books and nothing else, it would be Job Iâd start first.
Now even within genre this is something that varies a lot between people. The Wheel of Time books donât have it for me, Iâve read Eye of the World and I didnât care enough to pick up the others. Ditto Harry Potter, where Iâve read the first three. These are books that have IWantToReadItosity for millions of people, but not for me. The Song of Ice and Fire books do, though, they grab me by the throat. This isnât to say theyâre gripping in the conventional senseâthough they areâbecause IWantToReadItosity isnât necessarily to do with plot or characters or any of the ways we conventionally divide up literature. Itâs got to do with whether and how much you want to read it. You know the question âWould you rather read your book or go out with your friends?â Books have IWantToReadItosity if youâd rather read them. There are books I enjoy that I can still happily put down to do something else. A Game of Thrones is eight hundred pages long, and Iâve read it six times, but even so, every time I put the bookmark in, I put it in reluctantly.
These books are often described as epic fantasy, but theyâre cleverer than that. Most epic fantasies are quests. This is a different kind of variation on a theme from Tolkien. In those terms, itâs as if when Sauron started to rise again in Middle Earth, Gondor was in the middle of the Wars of the Roses. Theyâre about human scale dynastic squabbles on the edge of something wider and darker and inhumanly dangerous. The world is wonderful, with a convincing history leading to the present situation. It has good names (Winterfell, Greyjoy, Tyrion, Eddard), great characters who are very different from each other and are never clichesâand Martin isnât afraid to kill them, nobody is safe in this world because of being the authorâs darling. There are mysteries that you can trust will be resolved, everything fits together, everything feels real and solid and full of detail.
But the thing that really lifts them above the ordinary is the constant balance at the edge of the abyss, the army marching off south to win a kingdom when the real (supernatural) danger is north. There are human problems on a human scale, tragedy, betrayal, honour, injustice, and always the creeping reminder underneath of something... colder.
If you like history, and if you like fantasy, and if you like books where one page leads you on to the next and you canât believe itâs that time already, you should definitely read these. Also, if you havenât read them youâre lucky, because you have four eight hundred page volumes to go before youâre reduced to a slavering hunk of waaaaaaaant.
Jo Walton is a science fiction and fantasy writer. Sheâs published eight novels, most recently Half a Crown and Lifelode, and two poetry collections. She reads a lot, and blogs about it here regularly. She comes from Wales but lives in Montreal where the food and books are more varied.
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 12:56pm EDT
P.s. Re other books, I'd suggest not giving up on Wheel of Time until after you've read through the fourth book. Book 1 and 2 are reasonably well done but Book 3 is excellent (and tons of fun to boot) and Book 4 is the masterpiece that typically brings the addiction to the forefront. If you make it there and it's still meh to you, then so be it. But I wouldn't cut it short at Book 1 - not a good stopping point.
Similar comment on Harry Potter. Story takes a serious complex and dark turn starting in Book 4 and in Book 6 Rowling pulls the cord with a key plot development that reorients the world and forces you to look back to find out what really was going on throughout the entire series. That's where the fun is. Consider hanging in.
Rob
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VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 01:02pm EDT
Definitely way up on my IWantToReadItosity scale.
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VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 01:18pm EDT
Now if he would just finish "Dance" - sigh. As a commentator put it on Scalzi's blog piece regarding Gaiman's "GRRM Is Not Your Bitch", "Every time someone asks when Book 5 will come out, GRRM kills a Stark." : ) (And yes, I realize how utterly, ridiculously meta this very discussion has now become thanks to me. I win teh intarwebs today).
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 01:23pm EDT
Whereas Arya is safe because of being the author's wife's darling.
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Jo: I think we should distinguish between two kinds of WantToReadItosity, because it makes a difference whether you've read the book before or not. There are the books in my house that I've never read, books that looked interesting enough to buy but which I keep ignoring in favor of re-reading an old favorite--those are lacking one kind of WantToReadItosity but may be full of the second kind, the WantToReadItosity that makes you pick Job back up again and again. The problem is, unless I get past the lack of the first kind and actually read the books, I'll never discover whether they have the second kind...
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 01:51pm EDT
There is nothing to add why you should read George R.R. Martinâs A Song of Ice and Fire.
Tuesday September 08, 2009 02:01pm EDT
Incidentally, it's also the reason I'm glad that Sanderson is finishing WoT: the man knows how to write a conclusion. And when he does then maybe I can start the series.
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Rob
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 02:26pm EDT
I admit that I was clearly shocked when Martin began killing off all of my favorite characters. ~~Wince~~Oh NO! Even some of the "bad" guys. Without some antagonist, not much story. However long it takes Mr Martin to get the 5th book out, I'll be waiting. Give the man a break, he's allowed to have "writers' block" THIS TIME. 6th and maybe final book better already be on the back burner! Those "supernatural" boogies in the North have to get their "Day".
I would be very interested in going through the chapters a few at a time with "assistence" to better understand the books.
1 Vote for Re-Read of A Game of Thrones:-D
Tuesday September 08, 2009 02:46pm EDT
Ordinarily I'm allergic to long fantasy series, but I've enjoyed Martin's short fiction since reading "Sandkings" when it originally appeared in Omni. (Good grief, was that really 30 years ago?) I liked the Game of Thrones excerpt "Blood of the Dragon", and eventually read the full novel when it was up for the Nebula. Been on the hook ever since.
A lot of Martin's short fiction concerns issues of identity. Sometimes this takes the form of possession, which definitely shows up in "Sandkings" and may wind up playing a substantial role in "Ice and Fire". For the most part "Ice and Fire"'s identity issues are less obvious, boiling down to characters mismatched--sometimes subtly, sometimes drastically--with their apparently destined roles.
Being a "bastard", exiled royalty, female in a sexist society, physically unprepossessing to the point of grotesquerie, basically nice while surrounded by evil, suffering from "unnatural"/"perverse" desire, charged with responsibilities beyond one's capacity to handle--these are some of the ways various "Ice and Fire" characters find themselves out of harmony with what their world expects of them, and much of the series's interest comes from how they deal with it or fail to do so.
It's interesting that you should bring up Harry Potter in connection with this. Like "Ice and Fire", "Harry Potter" was an ambitious series that proved more challenging to its creator than she initially thought. I think as a relative novice Rowling had fewer preconceptions about what she could and couldn't do as a writer, while Martin the seasoned professional expects more of himself, and this is why Rowling finished her series while Martin takes years at a time on the latest volumes of his.
I've resolved not to re-read "Ice and Fire" until Martin announces that he's done with the new one. Till then, there's lots of good stuff out there. I may finally get around to reading "Lord of the Rings" (told you I was allergic to long fantasy series) and maybe the "Gormenghast" trilogy as well (ditto); might even get to Don Quixote or Moby Dick or War and Peace (if not all three) before A Dance with Dragons hits the stores!
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 02:50pm EDT
These are compulsively readable books, and I've lost count of how many times I've re-read them over the years.
If there's a re-read coming, I'm in for that. That said, I'd be even more interested to just see your thoughts as you complete each book; especially the final volume, which is maligned here and there, yet I think it has a number of virtues that are often overlooked.
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 03:26pm EDT
GRRM seems to have noticed this. His sub-plots are introduced later in the series with retrospective explanations added. This is much easier on the reader, though perhaps a few hard-core readers are disappointed by the lack of challenge.
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I had never reread them (grad school and babies started for me just after my first read) and I forgot how truly wonderful they are. The characters are great, very in depth, and most importantly- they truly capture my interest! However, it had been so long, that I couldn't remember what had happened to certain characters. Yes, I remembered who died, but it was interesting to read it a second time through knowing who was going to die.
They are making my wait for the Gathering Storm decrease, I'm actually now more excited for aDwD than GS! But some of that is of course due to the fact that now I know when GS is coming, but aDwD is still up in the air. I'm almost through aSoS and I know I'm going to go through serious withdrawal after A Feast for Crows.
As far as the "IWantToReadItosityâ I admit that I was so into it I kept listening to it on the iPod while chasing my kids around the park!
I'll echo RobM (Hi Rob!) in saying that I'd read a few more WoT books before giving up on it. I'd actually say that Eye of the World is one of my least favorite books of the entire series. The above mentioned SO didn't like the first one that much either, but now is hooked.
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 05:14pm EDT
I have kind of completely failed to keep that resolution in general, but for some reason I've determinedly stuck with it for GRRM in particular. Over the years I've completely forgotten what happened in AGOT, and I've assiduously avoided spoilers for the series at large, which pleases me, as when I start it again, I'll start fresh.
And I will start them; just not yet. I'll read them when the series is done, and not before. But I'm really looking forward to that day arriving.
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday September 08, 2009 11:35pm EDT
Thank God Robin Hobb has never toyed with me so. It's too heartbreaking, though I suspect also compounded by the nature of GRRM's story-telling - it would be night impossible to provide a nice, _kind-of_ resolution at the end of each individual novel with so many characters in play.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 12:42am EDT
He is a master at making me what to know what happens next, but the few conclusions that do take place are extremely unsatisfying. He usually just starts more storylines, leaving all the other characters hanging off the cliffs, making me wonder what happened.
He's an exciting writer, with incredible storytelling mojo, but the payoff is always on the next page, no the next, no maybe the next...then cut to another character. I felt like a junkie who never quite got the fix when I read those books. For that reason, there is something excrutiating about reading those books and I wouldn't recommend them to anyone until there is a giant, satisfying conclusion to the series.
Wednesday September 09, 2009 02:42am EDT
Its funny how subjective this sort of thing is. I was inspired by one of your recent reviews to reread "Rite of Passage" and it was every bit as wonderful as I remember it. On the other hand, I read Game of Thrones years ago and never felt the urge to pick up the next volume. Oh well.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 03:31am EDT
Wednesday September 09, 2009 07:01am EDT
That's why I'm re-reading the books right now, for the first time since I've started in '97! And I'm TAKING my time! Savoring every morsel and taste of the high drama. I even find myself getting more intrigued by the minor narratives, easily overlooked during the frenzied pace of first reading.
I'm also listening to choice parts of the Roy Dotrice reading/performance. The past few days have been rainy here in my neck of the woods, and the overall effect of re-reading and listening in late, wet afternoons is sublime! :-)
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 10:21am EDT
I remember it clearly. When Daenarys hatches the dragons at the end of Book 1, I got this warm-fuzzy-cozy-fireside story-wonder feeling that spread from my solar plexus to the rest of my body, like drinking really good whiskey.
The only other writer that's ever done that to me is Charles Dickens. He and Martin both have this ability to make you just absolutely love whatever character they're writing about, and to feel them as a distinct personality long after you've forgotten the specifics of the plot. Tyrion. Littlefinger. Sansa. Arya. Samwell. Everybody in the books, basically. You just want to follow them forever, wherever they go, in a story that has no end.
Martin deploys all the ways to make a character lovable: he makes them vulnerable, he gives them distinct sartorial and personal tics that we love to recognize, he heaps tons of abuse on them, heaps even more, and he gives them really compelling motivations. But he also does something else. It's just a magic touch. And that's where the George R. R. Martin booklust comes from, in my opinion.
I swore I'd never buy one of his tomes in hardcover, but I don't think I can hold out when Dragons is published.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 10:48am EDT
Re: Harry Potter, books 1-4 were crap. Books 5-7 were fantastic. If you've seen the movies, just read 5-7. 1-4 basically are the movies. 5-7 have sooo much more stuff in them.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 11:43am EDT
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Oh, and patience is a virtue. If nothing else, being a fan of the Wheel of Time has taught me that.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 12:23pm EDT
haha. I'll have to make sure I watch out for public transportation on my walk to work tomorrow. You can never trust those Philadelphia buses.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday September 09, 2009 03:37pm EDT
There appears to be an extremely large number of people liking both. However, there are definitely vocal subsets in both fandoms: some SoIaF fans dismiss WoT as perhaps too YA with a far too derivative opening, whilst some WoT fans dismiss SoIaF as unambitious, question whether it is really fantasy due to the absence of a magic system and disapprove of the somewhat more graphic sexual and violent content. In addition there's a (considerably smaller, these days) small minority of WoT fans who seem to be slightly bitter over the fact that SoIaF became, almost overnight, very widely regarded as the best epic fantasy series out there at the same time critical opinion of WoT was dropping rapidly. This phenomenon was most pronounced in the early 2000s. Oddly, the same situation has not arisen with SoIaF fans over the rising critical acclaim given to authors like Bakker, Abercrombie and Erikson, despite occasional claims that they've become the new dominant epic fantasy writer of modern times (well, maybe with Erikson, a bit).
I think in general the two series are more closely-aligned in style and substance than a lot of diehard fans admit (criticising one series for faults the other also has in abundance is not uncommon on forums), probably the same reason why the two series do actually have a lot of mutual fans. It would be interesting to critically compare the two series' themes and ideas (rather than on qualitative grounds) some day.
"But they don't become a great story until they have a great conclusion,"
I thoroughly disagree. Very, very few fantasy series, particularly epic fantasy series, have anything approaching a great conclusion. Hobb has problems with decent endings, King's divided people (to the point of violent flamewars) and among recent epic fantasy series only arguably Abercrombie delivered a real, jaw-dropping "Woah!" ending, which was as much down to a clever subversion of the Big Epic Fantasy Battle ending as it was to the writing. And lots of people even moan about that.
The number of otherwise great fantasy stories out there which start off great only to deliver a totally awful ending is pretty high (Greg Keyes being the most recent example), and I think if everyone waited for a fantasy series to have a good ending before reading the whole series, very few fantasy series would get read.
My own personal advice is that people treat the first three books of A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE as a self-contained trilogy with a total downer of an ending and hold off on the later books until the series is finished.
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I've read the first two and enjoyed them a lot. Waiting for Orbit UK to publish the last two books in omnibus, which I think is happening in November.
VIEW ALL BY · Friday September 18, 2009 12:11pm EDT
GRRM is not my bitch, either... but he certainly has disappointed me on his timeframe.
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