I love series because when I love something I want more of it. Sure I’ll buy an utterly new book by an author I like, but I also want to find out what happened to the characters I already know I care about. I never realised quite how much genre readers love series until I got published though. People are always asking me if I’m writing a sequel to Tooth and Claw (No!) and if I’ll write any more of the Small Change books. (No!) Some people really don’t want to let go. And of course I’m the same, when I heard Bujold was writing a new Miles book I bounced up and down for hours.
So, fine, everyone loves series. But what kind of series do you like?
The Lord of the Rings isn’t a series, it’s one long book published in three volumes for technical bookbinding reasons. Cherryh’s Union Alliance books are a series, they’re all independent stories with their own plots and their own characters, but set in the same universe. Away from those extremes there are Bujold’s Vorkosigan books and Brust’s Vlad books where the books are about the same characters but are all independent stories and you can start pretty much anywhere, and in contrast Sarah Monette’s Doctrine of Labyrinths books and Daniel Abraham’s Long Price Quartet where the individual books have their own story arcs but the later volumes really aren’t going to make as much sense if you haven’t read the earlier volumes.
So, there’s style one, The Lord of the Rings, one book with extra pieces of cardboard.
There’s style two, Doctrine of Labyrinths, where you have some volume closure but need to read the books in order.
There’s style three, Vlad and Vorkosigan, where the cumulative effect of reading all of them is to give you a story arc and more investment in the characters, but it doesn’t really matter where you start and whether you read them in order.
And there’s style four, Union Alliance, where the volumes are completely independent of each other though they may reflect interestingly on each other.
I’ve been thinking about this because
Just as I’ve been thinking about the Vorkosigan books and the way they’re a series, Sarah Monette made a post in her livejournal in which she talks about the way her books have not had a series name or numbers attached to them, and how the reviews of the fourth book, Corambis, seem to assume that it’s a bad thing that it’s part of a series and you need to have read the others for it to make sense. And she goes on to ask some interesting questions about the marketing decisions made with those books.
Personally, I like all four kinds of series, as you can tell by the way I can come up with examples of all of them off the top of my head and from my own bookshelves. What I can’t stand is when I pick up a random book in a bookshop or the library and it’s part of a series and that isn’t clearly indicated anywhere on it. I’ve picked up random volumes that are clearly part of a series in style one or style two, read a bit, been utterly confused, and never looked at the author again. I hate this. But Sarah says this is what marketing specifically required:
(M)y editor told me that we couldn’t put Book One of the Doctrine of Labyrinths on the cover or in the front matter. Marketing wouldn’t let us.
She explained their reasoning to me: if a person buys a book and then discovers it’s part of a series, they are more likely to buy the other books, whereas if a person picks up a book in a bookstore and sees it’s Book Two, they won’t buy it. (I think there’s a self-defeating flaw in this reasoning, since it assumes that Book One will not be near Book Two on the bookstore shelves, but that’s neither here nor there.) Never mind the fact that a person who buys a book only to discover it’s Book Two is likely to be an unhappy person, and never mind that, since the damn thing ISN’T LABELED as Book Two, the person has no immediately obvious and easy way of figuring out either which series it’s a part of, nor which books in the series come BEFORE it . . . Marketing said, Thou Shalt Not Label The Books Of Thy Series, and lo, the books were not labeled.
Crazy for a style one or two series. But it’s going to work fine with a style three or four series.
Now the Vorkosigan books (style three) are very good about this. They don’t say “Volume X of Y” on them, but they don’t need to. But they do have a timeline in the back that tells you precisely how to read them in internal chronological order. When I randomly picked up Brothers in Arms in the library many years ago, I could tell it was a series book and read it anyway.
I wonder if publishers and marketing people are sometimes mistaking a style one or two series for a style three or four series, or mistaking what works for a style three or four series as something that ought to work for all series. Or maybe they want every series to be a style three series—in which case, they should perhaps mention this to their authors. Certainly nobody has ever said this to me, and my first two published books were a style one, and it looks as if nobody has said it to Sarah either. And are style three series what readers want? I mean I like them, but as I already said, I like all these kind of series.
How about you? What sort of series do you like, and how would you like it to be labelled?
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:07am EDT
The breaking point for me is trilogy - if your books are trilogy, I may get it. If your books are a "sequence" of god knows how many books and closure is not even in the horizon (meaning 3 more books are quite possible), I'm not going to pick it unless somebody tells me is mana from heaven, and maybe even then I will not (I'm not following Song of Ice & Fire more or less for that reason only)
Given that, I'm more partial to types 3 & 4, "series" that really arent, more like "stories in the same settings and with the same characters", which mean I can enjoy one, forget about it, and later find a new one on the bookstore and say hey, I'll buy that, I'm almost sure I'm going to enjoy it. Or not, or leave it for later, no problem :-P
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:28am EDT
This is partly because style one & two are often epic fantasy, which is a subgenre that I'm just not as interested in these days, but partly because I've been burned before. I know always talk about this, but King's Dark Tower series is my perfect encapsulation of the problem: first I waited and waited and waited and waited, and then when I got an ending, I loathed it with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.
Of course there's no guarantee that I'll be able to tell, from reviews, if a series does end well--lots of non-insane people apparently liked the end of Kage Baker's Company books, for instance. But the odds strike me as better.
Also, a style one series takes up more of my time, because if I read it as it comes out, I'll have to re-read when the next one comes out.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:32am EDT
If I like it, I'll continue reading (if there is something to contineu with). If I don't like it, I won't (no matter whether there's something to continue it with).
But I absolutely hate (and I mean _HATE!_) it, when books of a series are not labelled as such. And actually, I'm much less likely to pick a book up if I suspect it's a series, but I can't see which part it is. Because then I gotta go and do my research first (uhm, yeah, I'm kinda OC in reading books in internal chronological order). After I found out which the first part of the series is, I might already have found out that it really sucks, or that it's headed some place I really don't care about etc.
Also, I'm a Little Miss Scatterbrain... so I tend to forget the order of books within a series and then a small number somewhere on the book itself is really helpful.
This is of course especially true for style one and two, but also for style three and four - is a timeline really too much to ask for? I'm assuming that most people picking up books can read, so a timeline with a note saying: "You don't need to read the books in any special order to understand them completely, but if you want to anyway, here's a chronology!" should translate into the reader's brain as "You don't need to read the books in any special order to understand them completely, but if you want to anyway, here's a chronology!" And then the reader can decide for herself whether she wants to or not.
I think it's very sad if publishers/marketing dept.s/whoever feel the need to trick the readers into buying their books by making everybody's life more difficult and with a big potential of leaving everybody involved unhappy. And it does feel like cheap trickery, even if it's not intended as such.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:32am EDT
I'm also more likely to start a type 1 or 2 series if I see that the author has already published several books, or a completed series. Book One from an author who's never published before, with no idea if they're the sort of person to follow through, or if their publisher is committed to the series, is a bit of a risk for the reader.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:38am EDT
But part of my rejection about long series is that.. I dont know, but I find that when somebody has a clear story to tell, and manages to tell it, normally it doesnt take more than 3 books.
On the other hand, long series have a high probability of being: commercial interests keeping a franchise alive, a severe lack of editors to keep the writer honest, or just the fact that said writer doesnt really have any clear, concise idea to tell and is spinning the wheels
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:39am EDT
A good trilogy will work that way--I just finished Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy and thought it fit the bill perfectly. Each book ended satisfyingly, but there was definitely a greater arc that tied all three together.
So generally, I think, I prefer books that are set in the same universe or with the same characters but that work on their own. That said, a good epic fantasy spanning many books is uniquely satisfying in a way unlike other kinds of books, but only (and I really mean only) if it's clear that things were plotted out from the beginning, with a natural conclusion. I hate getting to late books in a series and feeling like the author had no idea what was going to happen in the beginning and he or she is just making it up along the way before running out of steam and then slapping something together.
Monday April 06, 2009 11:43am EDT
If a book is part of a series my interest in reading it drops by about half.
Give me standalone novels with new ideas every time.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 11:53am EDT
I'm not a huge fan of the look, but they *are* clearly labeled.
Most episodic series do well partly because they get a nice solid visual style and label early on. Happened for Vlad. Happened for Darkover. Happened for Pern.
The problem is it's very difficult to write a good episodic series. Instead, we mostly get serials. And as near as I can tell, the average reader thinks that anyone who publishes a serial in anything other than one volume should burn in hell and they don't care about the physics. (which is how we end up with all 10 Amber volumes bound into one book that promptly tries to fall apart)
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 12:05pm EDT
I appreciate an economy of style and my favorite genre novels are the ones that get you in and out of a story in a couple of hundred pages while still managing to tweak your brain (Philip K Dick) and punch your soul (Jim Thompson).
If I have to choose a model, I'd go with one where the universe is the same but the characters and stories necessarily aren't (LE Modesitt's Order Wars, or Iain Banks Culture stuff). Or one where the protagonist is the same, but the stories are different (Raymond Chandler, Ian Fleming). That way I can pick and choose what I want without feeling like I'm making an enormous commitment in time or money.
PS: Interesting that you note the marketing guys are still behaving as if it's 1995. It seems to me that the bookstore-shelf model is growing increasingly irrelevant in the face of Amazon, smartphones, ereaders, and Kindle 3G-everywhere access.
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But yeah, I loathe with the whole of my bitter, twisted heart when a series is not labeled well with chronology. Heck, this is the very reason I have yet to pick up the Shannara(sp?) series. I have no clue where to start in that universe, even after reading the back-copy of 10 of the books in Barnes and Noble, and I'm a stickler for "published order". I can understand on the first print not putting "Book One of X" just so, without Book2+ available yet, it can stand as the possibly stand-alone book it should be, but for Cthulhu's sake, label the later (mass market, etc) editions! Or a chonology, that'd be nice too.
Monday April 06, 2009 12:34pm EDT
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From my earliest days, I was taught that a story has to have a beginning, middle and end, and the lack of an end for me is rather offputting. It's one reason I never picked up the Wheel of Time.
That said, good books always leave me wanting more. Had Stephenson continued his Baroque Cycle, I might still be enthused and gobbling them up well into book 8 or 9. But probably not. It's just too hard to stay interested in an arc that traverses more than 4,000 pages.
I also feel the gigantic, neverending series route is a sign of laziness in writing. It's hard to finish a story satisfactorily, and I get the feeling that some writers just avoid doing it altogether. Or at least put it off.
I just finished Vernor Vinge's "A Fire Upon the Deep" and loved every second of it. Now I'm looking forward to "A Deepness in the Sky," which I understand is set in the same universe, but completely apart from the characters and even places set in the first.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think that's my favorite model for conceptual continuity- creating a fascinating place, and then telling all the stories that occur there.
Going back to Stephenson, it's like the relationship between "Cryptonomicon" and the Baroque books. Completely different books with a few threads in common (the largest being not the ancestral links between the characters, but the exploration of the workings of commerce).
So I guess that puts me in columns one and four.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 12:57pm EDT
I do enjoy series in the manner of, say, Jim Butcher's Dresden Files (synergy!) which is style two, because as you say, there is closure as well as ongoing plotty fun. Is it just me, or is pretty much every series in the urban fantasy subgenre more or less this style?
As for the Vlad books being style three, that's only mostly true; even Brust says he recommends against starting with Teckla.
I don't actually like style four, I don't think; I may be metaphorically stoned for this, but after reading and greatly enjoying A Fire Upon the Deep, I started A Deepness in the Sky and was perturbed enough by the lack of continuity that I drifted off it within a hundred pages - even though I knew going in that none of the characters would be the same. I dunno.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 01:06pm EDT
And I am still laughing, by the by.
Monday April 06, 2009 01:16pm EDT
I enjoy all four types, and I want the first three to be labeled as a series. (Even for type three, I very much want to start at the beginning.) I find it really annoying to basically have to conduct an internet research project to figure out what's connected to what and in what order.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 01:16pm EDT
I also grow suspicious when virtually every thing by an author is a trilogy or longer - is it done because the author is so full of amazing intricate worlds that they can't write a one book novel? Or because they can pump out words and series sell?
Unless a series is 1) a trilogy (not longer), 2) done and in paper and 3) getting very good reviews I just won't buy a series where each book doesn't have a resolution and where they have to be read in order. Books set in the same universe? Sure. With shared or the same characters? Ok. Books that follow a story but where they all come to a resolution at the end of each book? Of course. Books that follow a marketing plan so that author and publisher can extract more money from me with less effort? No thanks.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 01:42pm EDT
I'm liking the Vlad books, Butcher's Dresden series, and Green's Nightside books as style 3 or 4. Even though they are really style 2, Stross's "Clan" books are coming rapidly enough that I can still remember the major plot points from one to the next.
And I am not reading any new Wheel of Time books until they are ALL done, and then I'm reading the whole series from start to finish. And then I'll use them to build a latter day Tower of Babel.
Sidereal
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 01:44pm EDT
I don't know why it's so hard for books to get labeled. Just the other day I wanted to read a book by a pair of authors I know, and the one at the library wasn't marked. There wasn't even a list on the inside cover showing the books in order. I read it and was all, "uurr... stuff's happening." Too much stuff. Later, the internet told me I'd picked up book 5 out of 6! *
I can live without resolution--heck, making up your own theories is sometimes more fun and satisfying than the actual ending--so I don't mind buying books before the series is done.
* One of my useless superhero powers is the ability to read series backwards. I don't know why, but when I randomly pick up a book, whether at the library or store, it is inevitably the most recent. I stubbornly muddle through, despite my confusion.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 01:57pm EDT
I'm a big fan of Iain M. Banks and Alastair Reynolds' series, however.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 02:06pm EDT
I don't think I can say much that hasn't already been said, except that I don't mind one way or another, as long as it's done well. I'm thinking that just because you've read any number of series that fit one style that you didn't like, I don't think you can really say you dislike everything done in that style.
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I will go with style four--Union Alliance type--from here on out.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 03:08pm EDT
Style 2 is pushing it... Maaaaybe there's something worthwhile there, but usually it's just "a bunch of stuff happens and then there's a reveal or somebody dies"--that is to say, something kinda meh happens that doesn't really pay it off for me in terms of the energy invested into the book.
I scorn style 1. Like rickg, I feel that most of the time it's the mark of an author who has a cement truck full of words and by god he's going to start pouring. I like books to be about something, and that many words obscure the point... And I feel most of the time that's because the author hasn't really thought about the point. Just read a bit of a book that had mostly chapters of doomed character's POVs, and marvelled that someone could again and again waste 40 pages of my time without giving me a reason to give a damn... I guess the author was aiming at explaining the story, but the tedious way he went about it, he'd have been far better off to just state flat out in one sentence "the king lived in a state of pleasant denial."
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 03:13pm EDT
The Dresden Files are such a good example of this done well. And that's also how I treat a Style 3, whether the author likes it or not ;-)
I'm also rather fond of a Type 1 "Really Only One Book" when they stick to the predicted number of books. Like Garth Nix's Keys to the Kingdom series. 7 days, 7 keys, and exactly 7 books!
Monday April 06, 2009 03:51pm EDT
I'm okay with Styles 2, 3, or sometimes 4, but agree that it's helpful to have them labeled in some connected way, especially for a style 2 when they should be read in order. With 4, like some other people mentioned, I sometimes am disappointed that the same characters don't show up again. Other times, if the new characters are engaging enough, that's okay, and recognizable cross-connections are a pleasant bonus.
I have mixed feelings on the marketing of a style 2 or 3. It's true that I don't normally buy volume 2 of something I haven't read volume 1 of. If volume 2 catches my interest in the bookstore, but vol 1 isn't there, I'm likely to come home and check out vol 1 on Amazon. On the other hand, books labeled "Volume 1 of the NotherFantasyWorld Chronicles" tend not to grab me either. For better or for worse I tend to let series get a couple of books in before I decide if I want to go back and read the beginning ones or not. I suppose this is hard on authors who need the sales numbers to make the later volumes happen. It does at least give them a positive trend through the series.
And another good Style 2 series not yet mentioned is (are?) Jane Lindskold's Firekeeper books.
Monday April 06, 2009 03:57pm EDT
Type 3 is my favorite sort of series. Best of all worlds as far as I am concerned.
I was willing to start Bujold's Sharing Knife books before they were all published b/c 1)I like everything else she has written--unlikely I will be disappointed 2)her blog posts indicated she knew fairly well where she was going with it and was well in the grip of the story as it were. I can't really imagine her getting lost partway.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday April 06, 2009 04:32pm EDT
I prefer big books though, whether series or single books. Ilona Andrews just released Magic Strikes at only 300 pages, that's too little Kate& Co.!
With new-to-me authors I tend to read reviews from trusted sources first, I've come across a lot of authors this way that I didn't know of when their books came out the first time.
With a huge series like Wheel of Time I would usually also prefer the series to be completed (it lost me after book 6, but not because of the slowness of release).
On the other hand C.J. Cherryh is releasing the first book in her fourth trilogy about the Foreigner universe at the end of the month and I have that on preorder, because I've loved the previous nine books set there.
Monday April 06, 2009 04:39pm EDT
Those who read avidly and catholically (with a small "c") will know who I mean. I truly admire those writers who have the guts to say enough is enough and stop a series even though they may not make any more money out of that "universe" and have to slog hard to create a new "universe" to write new novels in !!
What also upsets me is when an author splits a large novel into two or more books (probably for commercial reasons). I know that authors also have to eat but this is a bit much !!
My preference is for style 3 !!
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Monday April 06, 2009 04:41pm EDT
If forced to choose, I'd say something like the Vorkosigan saga would be my favorite. I love the way Miles grows and changes over the series timeline, so that eventually we get to compare his reaction to parenthood to Cordelia and Aral's. This is something that series can do that single books can't--show growing up as a gradual process rather than a bildungsroman-style rite of passage.
I am absolutely rigid about reading series "in order." Usually that's chronological order, but if people I trust tell me that publication order is best, I'll go with that instead. I refuse to read in random order and have been known to wait years to find a Book 2 that's out of print before reading everything else.
On the other hand, I'm happy to read a good series that isn't finished yet, even when I know the ending may never be written. My life is measurably better for reading the first three books of Diane Duane's Door Into Fire, for example. What I won't bother with is a series where everyone tells me, "It gets really good in Book 3." There are plenty of good books in the world that I can read without reading two bad books first.
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Of the types you mention, Jo, I like two, three, and four. You can tell by that that I want some degree of closure in each volume. I also, like so many others here, want to know the book is part of a series, and whether or not to worry about the order! Beyond that... if I see a new series by a favorite author, I'll read it; if my sister tells me to try it, I'll read it (she and I have very similar tastes in books); and if I keep seeing a book recommended over and over, I'll read it.
What I haven't seen mentioned above: I rarely start reading a series if all the books are over two inches thick in paperback. I don't like books to be *too* short, but after a certain point I get fatigued almost no matter how good a book is. It's got to be a very good series indeed to keep me reading super-thick-book after super-thick-book.
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VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday April 07, 2009 04:13am EDT
Ringworld is an ideal example of a series that works well for me.
I am frustrated by series without a clear order. Foundation bewildered me because I couldn't tell if I should start with the prequels or not.
Also, elderly authors should avoid publishing a first-of-a-series book that has a cliffhanger ending. Go read Pohl's "World at the End of Time" (which is awesome) and you'll wish he had the youthfulness to write the sequel that's missing.
Seth
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Tuesday April 07, 2009 11:45pm EDT
In contrast to breogan@5, I do not believe that all the clear stories worth telling can be fit into three books, even three books as hefty as the Baroque Cycle (and even then, I count Cryptonomicon as part of that story, and have not yet entirely given up hope on Stephenson at some point writing and publishing the supposed far-future thread of that story.) Given the choice between a standalone book by a new author and a series by a new author, I will tend to favour the series; that goes much more strongly if there are two or three volumes out already so that I can be reasonably confident it won't be orphaned in mid-series, and, yes, more strongly again if it is clearly going to be long. I firmly believe that the space available for very long-form narratives is as different from that for a 90,000 word novel as that is from a novella, and for obvious practical reasons it's a much less explored range of space.
A new series offers me the prospect of much longer pleasure than a new individual book, which at the speed I read is not a minus. An ongoing new series offers the pleasing prospect of rereading some or all of the volumes in preparation for each new one coming out [ Usually the most recent couple, with the exception of Erikson's Malazan books where the internal story shape is multi-threaded and not all the threads are in all the books. ] I like knowing that a large series has an overall shape, be it Brust's one-book-per-House-with-bookends for Vlad or Butcher's twenty-casebooks-and-big-apocalytic-trilogy or even Mike Carey's six-book-arc with potential for another such if the first one does well for Felix Castor, if I understand it correctly. On the other hand, I really love Cherryh's atevi books too and if there is an overall series conclusion planned there I've yet to hear of it. And, much though I love and reread some standalone books, that is never going to give me the experience of reading the first of Stephen King's Dark Tower books when I was nearly Jake's age, and the last when I was nearly the age Roland is in the first. Being part of my life that way, in that precise shape, is unique to long ongoing series.
piaw@20: I think the "one whole book where nothing happens" criticism of GRRM is unfair because there really isn't any sense other than the physical in which the most recent of those is a whole book. But then, I don't grok people objecting to books where people we have emotional investment in die, either. (How else is one supposed to believe some kinds of jeopardy are real ?)
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I've been collecting the Sarah Monette books and Bujold's latest to read in one fell swoop, now that the fourth of each is out.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday April 08, 2009 08:36pm EDT
I do like books that re-visit characters and places. Charles de Lint is one of my favorite authors in this respect. Kage Baker's The Company series works for me because each part has a beginning, a middle and an end but is part of a larger whole. That's what I like.
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday April 09, 2009 04:43pm EDT · amended on Thursday April 09, 2009 04:48pm EDT
Authors that *always* put out series and rarely or never do single volume make me suspicious that they're doing it for the money or because it's easy to revisit the same universe with the same characters. I mean, ALL of your stories are so intricate that they need several books to realize? REALLY? Color me very skeptical.
On the other hand the minority of authors that pull off a multi-volume series that's compelling over most or all of the volumes leave me in awe.
PS: I finally read Monette's post on this and it and many of the comments seem very focused on the needs of the author and the publisher with little appreciation for the reader. It was an interesting experience, like dropping into a different world. But when she criticized the reviewer for mentioning that the book under review was volume 3 in a series and wouldn't make much sense to those who'd not read volume 1 and 2 my immediate thought was... "well, that's good of the reviewer! They're not out to sell the book, but to talk to the potential reader..."
My point? The problems with writing, selling and publishing a long series over several years are not your readers'. If you choose to do that and not to make each volume self-sufficient or to recap things... don't blame us if we don't want to buy volume 3 because we can't find volume 1 anywhere.
Sunday April 12, 2009 10:17pm EDT
I find that I want to read books that let me revisit characters the author has crafted so well that I fall in love with them and want desperately to find out what happens to them next. This is what Lois McMaster Bujold has done so well with the Vorkosigan series, and why I eagerly await the next promised installment. That would put me firmly in the Style 3 (The [fill-in-the-character-name] Series) camp, I suppose.
Style 2 (Book X of Y in The [identifier] Saga) has never been to my taste, really, for many of the reasons already cited.
Someone mentioned the "Shared Worlds" (multiple authors in a single sandbox) style. Would that be Style 4 (The [fill-in-the-location-name] Universe), or be another category that fits somewhere between 3 and 4?
Saturday April 18, 2009 02:10pm EDT
Style 6 might be the very popular romance style of following each member of a large family (one book per family member) or of a group of friends as each one finds their soul mate and goes off happily ever after. Examples include Julia Quinn's Bridgerton family, Jo Beverley's Company of Rogues. Of course this style fits very well with style 3 in that it doesn’t really matter where you start and whether you read them in order, but you won't get any overall storyarc, except "happily ever after" or maybe seeing your favorite character's kids in the book about the favorite character's little sister.
Stephanie Laurens used style 5 in her Cynster Novels and style 6 for the Bastion Club. Johanna Lindsey's Malory family combines both styles first with a book for each family member then a book for various family members' kids.
I like them all, but I also wish the books that should be read in order be numbered, or failing that, had a chronology. Otherwise, you're accidentally getting spoilers for previous books.
Mercedes Lackey's Valdemar books have a timeline with books listed at where they belong in the history of Valdemar.
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday April 18, 2009 09:34pm EDT
As for your proposes sixth kind, I've never read anything like that, and I can't think of anything even a bit like it in genre. Again, I don't know why not.
Saturday April 18, 2009 10:36pm EDT
Another thought...I don't know if this is a "type" of series or not but a few times I have come across a series of books with interwoven timelines and characters. Often each book revolves around a particular character and the others play minor roles. Key events in one book are depicted from a different POV in the other books. I find these interesting, and fun to read.
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Saturday May 30, 2009 06:39pm EDT
They can be read as discrete parts of a series, though they may make an arc. This reader much enjoyed the first volume, but got less interested by each subsequent installment and quit reading by the end of the third, though the series continues. That immediately there were hundreds of other titles out repeating what is now forumla and a subset of Romance/Fantasy genres has doubtless had an effect on perception too.
This is another reader who has no time at this stage in her life for 600 pp. plus volumes in a style 1 series that go on beyond 3 installments, for all the reasons others have mentioned, including the volumes of 'why did you bother with this one? nothing salient happens here.'
But there are exceptions to this. Kit Kerr's Deverry books are among the exceptions, for example, for excellent reasons.
Robin Hobb is a style 1, like Bujold, who is trusted by her readers to not do the ever-expanding style 1. They, like Kit Kerr, are trusted also to deliver the next volume in timely fashion. I havae tremendous admiration and respect for these 3 examples, and the others like them.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday June 01, 2009 11:54am EDT
Unfortunately, the publisher has only translated and released 3 volumes, so I have to wait another year for the next one (grrr), but it'll be so worth it. Its appeal lies, I think, in both the characters and the world-buliding.
Foxessa-I loved the first couple of Outlander books! So good. But once her grown-up daughter appeared I got bored. It just didn't hold my interest.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday June 01, 2009 12:34pm EDT
In that genre, there are a lot of series, and authors with multiple series. The convention is that each book is labeled, on the cover, with the name of the series and the number within the series. Sometimes on the spine as well, making series-shopping easy.
So the aversion to labeling series clearly isn't a universal one in the publishing industry.
I'm not sure what type of series these are, structurally, as I haven't read more than one or two of them myself. (I see little point in romance where the climax of the book is a marriage proposal, without even a kiss, and half the text is evangelizing exposition rather than story.) Back matter of the books suggests large families with many daughters/female cousins, and marrying off one per book.