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posted Saturday February 28, 2009 03:20pm EST

Battlestar Galactica Round Table: “Someone To Watch Over Me”

Pablo Defendini

Welcome to Tor.com’s round-table style discussion of this week’s episode of Battlestar Galactica, “Someone To Watch Over Me.” The participants this week are Rajan Khanna, Pablo Defendini, Jordan Hamessley, Theresa DeLucci and Robert Bland. The conversation starts after the cut, and there are many spoilers. So if you haven’t seen the episode, please stay away from this post!

Pablo: I really enjoyed this episode; I’ve always liked these slow episodes set to piano music (think Baltar on the baseship). On the other hand, there’s so much tension around the fact that there’s now only a handful of episodes left until the end...and nothing is frakking happening! I suspect we’re in for another infodump episode soon. I’m very surprised that we haven’t seen Cavil yet, and can only assume that he’ll feature prominently in the next episode. Thank goodness for two-hour season finales, right?

Well, it looks like we were all spot-on with the notion of Kara being Daniel’s daughter, and thus a Hylon! It was quite gratifying to see that, and also to get at least a partial explanation as to the importance of “All Along the Watchtower”. This, of course, immediately puts Hera’s fate in doubt—she is no longer the only Hylon out there, and I really wouldn’t put it past RDM and company to make little Hera yet another casualty of Boomer’s treachery. Alas, I predict that things will not end well for the poor beleaguered Agathons. Hell, as much as it would have sucked, I’m surprised that Boomer didn’t just kill Athena when she had the chance. Oh, and frakking Helo while Athena’s stuffed in the locker, there? That was cold, Boomer. Ice frakkin’ cold.

The Chief is also in for a world of hurt—there’s no way that he’s not going to be suspect número uno in facilitating Boomer’s escape. That said, I really feel for him. The projection scenes in their dream house were rather heartbreaking, especially at the end, whe Galen comes back to the empty house, and the montage of flashbacks to the Chief talking about Boomer was a nice touch. I’d forgotten he’d uttered that line about not being with the one he really wanted to be with.

The all-but reveal of Kara as a Hylon leads me to believe that Hylons in general have some sort of channeling ability: Kara via her artwork and Hera via music, even if she didn’t know that that’s what she was doing. And while we havent seen Kara projecting, it’s reasonable to assume that the visions in the Opera House could have been Hera’s infant psyche projecting, and bringing Roslin, Caprica Six, and Athena into her projection, much like Boomer does to Galen in this episode. Given these concepts, I’m willing to make a huge leap here: could Baltar also be a Hylon, and Head Six be his way of creating rudimentary and subconscious projections? It’s a leap, but I really need the Head Characters situation resolved or explained in some satisfying way—it’s always been a compelling device, and I’d hate to see it retconned or otherwise dismissed away.

The big question here is whether Kara will come clean about her corpse, and if so, will the Final Five put two and two together and figure out that there’s a functional resurrection hub (presumably their original resurrection hub) floating around somewhere in the vicinity of Earth?

Theresa: What a beautiful opening. Bear McCreary is doing some of the best soundtrack work on television (he composed a really moving piece for last week’s Terminator, too.) The music just made this episode. 

I thought it was interesting how quickly the Cylons are using capital punishment, now that they’re mortal. Of course Roslin would be down for a good execution and I loved the way she dismissed Chief. Chief, who is a big sucker. I thought the projection house was beautifully shot, but a little creepy. But it’s okay, because Boomer is creepy. I was fine with the romantic fantasy until Boomer imagined their daughter. I’m still not warmed up to the idea of how Nicky was written out of Chief’s life. Like Chief suddenly stopped loving Nicky because he wasn’t biologically related. I have a hard time believing that Tyrol turned his back on humanity as instantaneously as Tory when he discovered his Cylon nature. 

But this episode belonged to Starbuck. While I don’t feel we learned much new here, it was great to get some confirmation on fan theories. Everything about the climax gelled for me: the flashbacks to Kara’s past juxtaposed with her visions of her father in the bar, the four Cylons hearing “All Along the Watchtower,” and Boomer’s escape with Hera.

The sounds of Galactica deteriorating provided another score to the episode until, it, too, came to a head at the end. This had better be the crisis Adama needs to pull himself together. But it’ll be tough with Roslin’s heath also coming to a critical point.

I can’t imagine any one on this show is going to get a happy ending. 

Pablo: I agree on the capital punishment bit. I suppose it makes sense though: Cylons don’t really have the same deep-seated aversion/fear/respect/whatever to death than humans do—its never been a permanent thing for them. It makes sense that now that they have the option, they would flirt with it. I too was intersted to see a Six on the quorum, and Cylons in the ready room (were they all Sixes? I don’t remember seeing any Eights there), but this episode did a much better job of marking the passage of time, especially through that opening sequence, which I agree was beautifully executed.

I actually found Roslin’s dismissal of Galen a bit odd: I read it as indication that Roslin is now very comfortable giving military orders that would otherwise be issued by Adama. The Chief’s sideways glance to the Old Man for confirmation reinforced that feeling. It was a very little touch, and a subtle piece of cinema, but to me it spoke volumes about the state of the Old Man, and how much Roslin has been stepping up to fill not only her position, but the power vacuum left by Adama’s checking out.

Rob: I really really liked this episode, but man, they better start answering some questions because there are WAY too many loose ends here...

Roslin is dead. She has to be. If not, then that means she’s in a coma. Great. Another person in a coma. Maybe she and Anders can have a “coma conversation” via Cylon projection. I mean, come on, RDM & Co. have to start making some decisions here. If she is dead, however, then that means Adama has to wake up and reassert himself.

Even though Cavil wasn’t present in this episode, his machinations surely were, and I really enjoyed that. Boomer stealing Hera. Precious. I didn’t see that coming.

Kara, Kara, Kara....the big mystery. Yeah, it’s pretty clear (even though it’s not yet fact) that Kara is Daniel’s daughter. Thus, she’s a Hylon. Cavil would presumably know this, of course, but he sure doesn’t seem all that concerned about it. He’s more interested in Hera. I wonder why. As for Kara’s resurrection, I’m stumped. Truth be told, I’m not even sure the carcass she found of herself is even from the same timeline as our current Kara. We saw (from Apollo’s POV) Kara die in her ship—it exploded to smithereens. It just didn’t get damaged and then crash land somewhere: it blew up into little bits. That particular corpse that Kara found doesn’t fit that death. It’s incongruous. How old was that corpse? Anyway, when she does fess up about finding her body, hopefully the Final Five will be able to figure something out. Because I sure can’t. Another thing: what did the Cylons do to Kara many many episodes ago when they (actually Simon) had her in a hospital bed? Remember, she and Anders had had sex and then she was taken captive. Was she pregnant? Had they taken her fertilized egg (she Hylon, Anders Cylon) and done something with it? Or maybe not; maybe they had simply cloned her. Like I said, so many loose ends....

I feel bad for the Chief. I suspected (in the last episode) when he had agreed to leave the Fleet to join the Cylons it was because of Boomer. I figured he wanted to reconnect with Boomer and he knew that couldn’t possibly happen in the Fleet because of Boomer’s assassination attempt on The Old Man. Even if that had been the case, what a pipe dream that was!! Cylons wanting to off her because of her allying with Cavil. Good stuff. I agree, the Chief is headed for a world of hurt. If he’s not found out, he’s going to do something BIG. Even if he is found out, he’s going to do something big...

Jordan: I was really into this episode.

I loved all of the stuff with Kara and her vision daddy. She is totally a Hylon and I’m looking forward to her sitting down and talking with the Five. Tigh’s eye was fantastic when he heard her playing the song.

I don’t think Cavil knows about Starbuck. I think it is possible that the reason why Kara’s dad left was to protect her from Cavil.

I was totally duped by Boomer. All week I was looking forward to seeing Boomer and Chief reconnect and I was physically upset when she boned Helo and stole Hera. I understand that Boomer has issues with loyalty and such because of her past on Galactica and how she found out she was a cylon, but she is totally an example of Cavil’s manipulations. I hope she dies a painful death, because her actions in this episode were just plain cruel. Seeing Athena crawl to Helo and both of them understand what Boomer had done was heartbreaking. I will say that Grace Park deserves some props.

So we’re back to Hera being super special and wanted by everyone again. I can only imagine how pissed Starbuck is going to be when she finds out all that is going on with Hera, now that she knows there is a connection. I’m still curious as to why Roslin is so connected to Hera. I agree with Rob that it will be really frustrating if she is in a coma next week.

I do want to see Anders wake up or one theory I’ve heard that I’m sorta interested in is that Anders could become Galactica’s hybrid. Dude’s got a lot going on in his head and he just needs to be hooked up to something that can read it.

I want more answers.

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21 comments
Kate Baker
1.  Kate_Baker
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 03:53pm EST
I absolutely loved this episode. I hate to admit it, but there were moments I had tears in my eyes. Particularly a few scenes with Kara and her ghost dad, and when Boomer led Chief through the projection house.

The visions make a lot more sense as well. Considering that Roslin saw a version of the 8 grabbing Hera in the opera house. It'll be interesting to see how Caprica Six will come into play again.

I don't know about Ander's becoming the BS' hybrid, only because it looks like the end of the road for the ship in the next episode. The only thing I was toying with was Kara coming clean to Adama about her "resurrection". They jump back to the nebula, and boom, Adama has a new battlestar without any scratches on it. Kara got a new ship this way, why not Adama? ;)
Dayle McClintock
2.  trinityvixen
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 04:28pm EST · amended on Saturday February 28, 2009 04:29pm EST
I don't know if the promo counts as spoilers, but from what we saw in them, I am a big doubter of the Anders-as-hybrid theory. I dislike it as a plot device, specifically because I have always loved the original hybrid. I found that the actress was amazing, and I would hate for her contribution to be (heh) watered down.

I also think that there's something to Cavil's complaints about his body--there seems to be a limited amount of tinkering one Cylon can do to his construction. Cavil can't become a total robot, so I don't think any humanoid model can become even a half-as-much humanoid model.

I guess people are speculating on the Hybrid!Anders by virtue of that comment about hooking up Anders to the datastream on the basestar. Which I'm surprised they haven't tried already, actually. Kara's fairly friendly to that crowd; would she really object when it seems she's so increasingly lonely and bereft of friends that she is cuddling with her comatose husband--to whom she has been indifferent or hostile for most of the season?

I thought Ellen suggested something way more awesome in her comment at the end. She definitely made some allusion to "using" Sam and she brought that up in a conversation with Saul about getting Hera back. Which makes me think that Ellen, having been outmaneuvered by Cavil, is actually thinking of killing Sam and letting him download back at Cavil's basestar. At least then they'd have someone (a proven crafty, resourceful rebel, nonetheless) on the ship with Hera. Just my theory. But the promos are...conflicting. I won't say any more, lest I spoil.

I'm also really, really saddened at the idea of no more Galactica. The poor old girl. I suppose they have the basestar, but I will for reals cry if Galactica goes the way of Pegaus. (And wow, I bet LELAND wishes he hadn't sacrificed the superior ship now, huh?)
treebee72 _
3.  treebee72
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 06:05pm EST
This may be kinda out there, but the constant references to the ship dying made me think the 'Dying Leader' is neither Roslin or Adama, but Galactica herself.
Matthew Velic
4.  MVelic
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 06:05pm EST
The music was fantastic throughout. And I agree that there is so much going on at this point that there's going to be either (a) a lot of wrapping up in a short period of time or (b) an event of catastrophic magnitude to wrap it all up for them. At this point, I'm leaning towards B, but I'll give the writers their due since they've held us captive this long with surprises and twists in the story. Hell, I didn't think they'd reveal the final-fifth cylon til the last episode and they punched that one out pretty early so there's still some hope on finding some answers before the series ends, right?

What I feel they haven't touched upon in a while is all the scriptural references and iconography that led them to Earth in the first place. Sure, it seemed like a big bust when they arrived, but there was such a build up of layers (throughout so many episodes) it seems a bit foolish to throw it all away now. I'm hoping that it comes back in these final episodes and would be somewhat surprised if it did not. The series always had such a strong theme of redemption/resurrection that I'm not counting it out yet.
Dayle McClintock
5.  trinityvixen
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 06:32pm EST
@4: For that matter, what happened in/at/to the damned Opera House?
zpapageo
6.  zpapageo
Saturday February 28, 2009 07:14pm EST
I think the song is going to turn out to be some sort of a star chart that leads them to the true earth. Hera told Kara that she was drawing stars, and it did look like a schematic diagram. Maybe the final five originally encoded the route to a new home before they left the dead earth and have forgotten its meaning.

I also don't think the Galactica is quite dead yet. I can't imagine everyone moving over to the base star to continue the journey. It just wouldn't seem right. I think the old girl's got just enough left in her to get them home.
Mitchell Downs
7.  Beamish
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 08:51pm EST
I am in the group that is annoyed that nothing is happening and there are so few episodes to go.

That said, however, this was a fantastic episode. I absolutely loved it purely as a pair of primarily character driven stories. Both the Chief and Kara had wonderful character moments, and for all the triumph we feel in the revelations around Kara there is an equal amount of horror and pain at the end result of Galen's journey - his reaction to realizing Hera was in the box was brilliant.

I am very much in agreement that Roslyn has to be dead. Her character arc is over - she is not the dying leader and Hera is no longer unique and essential, so all that Roslyn did to protect her has run its course. Tragedy complete.
rick gregory
8.  rickg
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 08:59pm EST
And I agree that there is so much going on at this point that there's going to be ... an event of catastrophic magnitude to wrap it all up for them.

"And then Gaius Baltar woke up with the worst headache of his life... and found that the gorgeous blonde he'd met the night before had stolen his wallet and left him in New Tijuana. And the dream he'd had... as if the Cylons would attack humans and all of humanity would have to search for the myth called Earth on a single Battlestar. Where DID his dreams get this?"
zpapageo
9.  Susan P.
Saturday February 28, 2009 09:13pm EST
I felt rather foolish at first that I didn't pick up on the "father in her head" business with Kara until the very end, but then, I tend to have a willing blindness to so-called "obvious" plot elements in a movie or TV program that's really entertaining me. (For instance, "The Sixth Sense" and "The Usual Suspects.")

Still processing my thoughts on this episode, but will say a couple of things right now:

1. Roslyn is dying, but not quite dead yet. She is too important a character to be dispatched by just a quick collapse at the end of the episode. Sometime during next week's episode, we'll get a heart-breaking death scene for her. We got a glimpse of that sometime during the third or the first half of the fourth season, I think, whichever episode it was when she was getting her cancer treatment and had some visions of "the end" - including one of Admiral Adama sitting by her bedside, crying.

2. As for her picking up on Hera being in trouble - well, remember, it was some of that child's blood that sent Roslyn's cancer into temporary remission. Could be there's some lingering after-effect.
Pablo Defendini
10.  pablodefendini
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 09:17pm EST
@MVelic
I actually applaud the fact that the writers have stayed away from using supernatural explanations for the ultimate answers so far—personal biases (and jokes about R. Daneel Olivaw) aside, it would smack of lazy writing if RDM & Co. decided to slap us all with a big fat deus ex machina, regardless of how much the characters within the show may or may not assign responsibility for events to so-called higher beings. To actually find rational, science-based explanations for everything seems to me the more compelling tack.

Many people assign supernatural explanations to events that they can't explain away—be it for lack of knowledge, intellectual laziness, as rationalizations, or simply out of fear of the unknown—every day. It makes sense that the show deal with those very human behaviours, especially within such an apocalyptic context as the central premise of BSG. It doesn't necessarily follow that those irrational notions then turn out to be true.

I'm a big fan of the show, and I tend to overlook most of its flaws in favour of the things I like about it. Just about the only way that the show could really and truly piss me off would be if they suddenly come up with a one true god to handwave everything into place.

@Kate_Baker, @treebee72
Interesting ideas regarding the final fate of the Galactica. The "Galactica as dying leader" theory has been bandied about a lot, and having at one point thought that Kara's resurrected Viper was the Final Fifth Cylon, I don't think it's necessarily all that far-fetched to think that the Bucket could find a new lease on life through some sort of resurrection. Hell, now that I think about it, the entire show has been touting the existence of "twelve Cylon models", and now, with the addition of Daniel (or Dreilide Thrace...a pseudonym? Alter ego? Cover name for hiding from Cavil?) we find out that there are, in fact, thirteen models. To introduce a new kind of Cylon, and have Galactica become that kind of Cylon, isn't too far-fetched.

Going back to Rob's comment in the original post about Chief doing something really big, I'm sitting here looking at the infamous "Last Supper" image... that is one big frakkin' knife in Galen's hand.

Also, I just watched the episode for a second time. Did you guys catch the brand name of the last tube of toothpaste in the known universe?

Yeah. "Feldergarb Toothpaste". Heh.
Theresa DeLucci
11.  theresa_delucci
VIEW ALL BY · Saturday February 28, 2009 09:46pm EST
Roslin can't be dead yet! Bill has to tell her he loves her one more time over her deathbed and then go on the mother of all benders with off-the-wagon Tigh! I won't feel we got a satisfying conclusion without this moment.

Were I rich, I'd love to bid on Galactica props. Not Tauran toothpaste, but that life-size Cylon Raider would be so cool.
Jason Henninger
12.  jasonhenninger
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday March 01, 2009 01:41pm EST
I've been feeling pretty cynical about this show of late. I'll watch it to the end, but it's harder and harder for me to enjoy the writing.

I think I would have really enjoyed this episode last season, but three from the end it hardly seems to bring the needed goods. If Roslin is dead, I am fine with it. She's become pretty useless anyhow. Starbuck is a cylon halfbreed? Ok. Most of us have assumed that for a long time. Not much punch in it now.

There has been an amazing wealth of creativity and talent in the course of the show. It just seems now that the show is ending without much of that creativity. I never thought I'd say it, but I think LOST is better right now. And I had very nearly given up on that show a few times.

There is still time for the BSG writers to wow even a bitter viewer like me. Just not sure it'll happen.
Matthew Velic
13.  MVelic
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday March 01, 2009 04:36pm EST
I don't think it's a loss of creativity as much as it is realistic. The quest for earth - the goal that set the tone of the series for 4.5 seasons up until this point - was completely blown out. And so what does any person do in those time between "large projects?" You fall back and take care of real life. In this case, it's the fact that Galactica is falling apart. It's that the cylons no longer have a means to continue their race's existence. It's coming to realize that the same folk that put you in this situation are also those that can help you. It's certainly not that dramatic, it's downright banal. It's real life.

But with the imminent collapse of Galactica in the coming episodes, there is a new goal, which is find ANY inhabitable planet: a new earth as it were. But I think the reason that we don't actively see this search through any of the episodes is because we've seen it for 4.5 seasons. It also has become apart of their everyday reality.

The interesting part is watching all the relationships evolve and blow up and break down and begin as the outside world weighs more heavily upon the characters. While not much (in terms of actual events) happen these last couple of episodes, I've not been bored with the show. The focus isn't so much saving the human race by finding a planet as much as it is defining and saving one's own humanity through the process.
Joseph Rego
14.  jarego2
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday March 01, 2009 05:56pm EST
The all-but reveal of Kara as a Hylon leads me to believe that Hylons in general have some sort of channeling ability
If so, that would indicate that Roslin is also a hylon, as was her fellow patient in the sick bay who dreamed of a ferry ship bringing her to her dead relatives.
This has all happened before, and it will happen again.
That's what the ancient cylon (was he a hybrid also?)near the resurrection hub said.

Could it be that all the humans are actually hylons, acting out some predetermined scenario? Is the entire story a living diorama put on in some cosmic museum for the benefit of future generations?
Pablo Defendini
15.  pablodefendini
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday March 01, 2009 06:03pm EST
@MVelic #13
Agreed, completely and utterly. BSG has always excelled at depicting the mundane aspects of humanity. It's just a bit disconcerting to see that be the bulk of the show this close to the end, when so many things are still unexplained.

As a matter of fact, one of the things I liked most about this episode was the depiction of time passing, as I mentioned in the post. Starbuck's briefing speech to her pilots in the opening sequence also made it very clear that the bulk of the missions that the pilots are embarking on these days—with the help of the integrated Cylon pilots—is the search for a habitable planet. She even mentions that since the mutiny, their ranks have been thinned, which is the reason that they're sending out Raptor pilots solo, without their comm officers as backup. These missions, if I remember correctly, consist of weeks of solo scouting, away from Galactica. This is actually the mission Athena was scheduled to go on when she got waylaid by Boomer, hence the crate of extra supplies, in case they got lost or had malfunctions and had to wait for the search-and-rescue birds.

@theresa_delucci #11
There are only three episodes left. As much as I hate to say it, we very may well never get that protracted death scene—or that bodacious bender—there's just not enough time....
zpapageo
16.  daveklingler
Sunday March 01, 2009 10:51pm EST
I guess I'll be left permanently wondering how Boomer finds her way back and forth between Cavill and the fleet so easily. Good-sized plot hole, that.

It can't be a coincidence that Kara's father played live at the "Helice Opera House". I'm starting to wonder whether Kara was the source of all the dreams herself. At any rate, it seems like Kara's dad was a Cylon, and the reason he disappeared was that he didn't have any choice, not because he wanted to. The "Where did Kara's Dad go?" mystery received too much attention in this episode not to be a major thing. I'm predicting that Kara's Dad, whoever he may be (and I'm going with the Daniel theory), is at the bottom of a lot of mysteries.

With the ship being encased in potted Cylon compound I guess I could see Anders becoming a Ship Hybrid, but I predict he'll just wake up at the opportune time without any strange and wonderful psychic powers. He will probably, however, have all the answers that everybody needs. Come to that, I'll bet he's the one who fills in a bunch of the empty holes at the last second. In fact, I'll bet it's Anders who steers them to the colony where the Five lived before they tried to go warn the Twelve Tribes to treat their Cylons nicely. Was there a PETC?

It's possible that Hera has been a red herring all along, and that the real human-cylon fulfiller-of-all-the-prophecies is Kara. I don't think that's the case, because Hera's the one who drew the notes to the Cylon Ditty. And remember how Roslin just reminded us that Hera is Important. So unless it was Kara's presence that made Hera do it, Hera is still huge. Or else she's a deliberate red herring.

And that means that Hera had to be transported to Cavil to show off whatever she does. She wasn't going to do it in the fleet. If she's the Savior, then she has to be next to Dr. Evil to do her thing. Cavil's going to get his at the hands of The Little Girl.

I still think the Centurions are going to be a big part of the end game. It'd be too much of a waste not to bring them in as a sleeper.

I don't THINK Cavil has his own personal resurrection bathtub, as someone mentioned. When Ellen was resurrected I'm assuming that it was aboard the resurrection ship, and then Cavil kept her with him. The one possible remaining resurrection ship is the one that the Five built. If they don't use it then that's a plot hole. Hmmm. I just had a vision of one of the Five getting killed, getting resurrected, and then turning up to rescue everyone.

And why oh why was Earth populated with Cylons? Do the powers not believe in evolution?
Jason Henninger
17.  jasonhenninger
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday March 01, 2009 10:55pm EST · amended on Sunday March 01, 2009 10:57pm EST
@ MVelic and Pablo,

We clearly have different priorities. I totally agree that the writers have done a great job showing the sweat and dirt of "real" life, throughout the show. But it seems to me to be very well established by now. I say, let's move on to what isn't every day. There's only three to go after this. I want every episode to hit like a missile. Stick to the big stuff. There's plenty remaining.

Pablo, I liked the briefing Starbuck did, too. A moment like that is all I need for reminding me that life is shite aboard Galactica. After that, I want to know about the big stuff. The thing with Boomer, though thrilling, wasn't "big" the way I mean it. Or at least, it doesn't seem to be. Who knows. (By the end of the show, I may eat those words. I'd be fine with that.)

And Roslin...sorry to anyone who likes her. She has always irritated me, and ever since Earth, she's had all the volition of a placemat. I'd be happy to see her do the mortal coil shuffle.
zpapageo
18.  sofrina
Sunday March 01, 2009 11:31pm EST
we still have very little in the way of answers here. kara as daniel's daughter is fine, but we now need to know how daniel got to the colonies. he must have arrived no later than the final five did. the question is did cavil send a version of him into the human population with clipped memory or did daniel escape?

hera didn't say that the drawing was of stars, kara asked if it was. small children are notoriously easy to lead. the question is do kara and hera share the prognosticating ability of the baseship hybrids? which doesn't explain the dream, which baltar was having before anyone. it was only much later that roslin and athena (specifically athena) shared that dream with six and they all woke up and made for each other.

why does cavil want hera? he hates humans and everything about himself that is like them? so what does he want the kid? why were all the others obsessed with seeing her created and delivered into the human fleet (remember back when d'anna did the troop documentary and confirmed to the others that baby was with the humans)? that was crucial to them? how can hera be part of cavil's plan - which is clearly quite different from what the other models think the master plan is.

simon did indeed taunt starbuck about having taken her ova back on caprica. who knows what he did with it. you wouldn't need that to clone someone though. he could have taken skin or hair for cloning.

i don't buy any part of starbuck being resurrected from a hub. they are gonna talk real fast to convince of that. daniel isn't one of the originals. where when and how would he have found a n old resurrection ship? he obviously couldn't protect himself from cavil. he knew the war cavil was planning to reign down? he abandoned the final five or decades? how would he have managed to travel so far from the colonies, alone? and why make copies of a naturally born person?

the episode was beautiful and a hearty "well played" to Boomer, but WTF is going on here? Are we gonna leave these people drifting on the edge of the Milky Way?
Blue Tyson
19.  BlueTyson
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 02, 2009 02:07am EST
Starbuck and Sarah Connor both going loopy in the same week - what are the odds? Those machines just drive me crazy?!?!

:)
Sol Foster
20.  colomon
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 02, 2009 08:46am EST
Random thoughts accumulated while rocking the baby at 4am:

If Kara can resurrect, presumably Daniel can too? Seems like either he died and has come back, or he's just been alive the whole time. The rebuilding of Kara's ship suggests active manipulation -- Daniel? Has the entire show been a hidden war between Cavil and Daniel on some level?

So, the original five resurrected despite being born "normal" -- and they seemed to resurrect with their memories of dying intact. Does that imply that the process is something that can be done to a person? And if the explanation is something hand-wavy like nano-machines in the blood, is it possible that Roslin's transfusion means she will resurrect too?

I must say that I have complete faith that the writers will tie things up in a satisfactory fashion. I did have doubts going into season "4.5", but so far they have far exceeded my expectations in terms of cool explanations imparted pretty naturally via the story.
Dayle McClintock
21.  trinityvixen
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 02, 2009 10:46am EST
@colomon: All we know about the Final Five is they were originally born, not that they were born normal. They're descended from the 13th tribe, a tribe which was assumed to be human in the scrolls of Pythia, but which Ellen and Anders have indicated were actually Cylon.

The story gets fuzzy when the issue of who/what created resurrection in the first place because there's nothing to say the 13th tribe weren't human originally, discovered resurrection to get stronger, more durable bodies for the trip to Earth, and then went back to breeding because, let's face it, humans like fucking. But the 13th tribe could also have just always been Cylon and they, like the Cylons we've known, decided that mortality and reproduction were better goals in the eyes of God.

If the former situation is the case, there's no reason why, with time and effort, any human couldn't be resurrected. A body would have to be constructed, measurements taken and all of the things we assume the Final Five did in order for them to survive, but it could be done. If the latter is how it was, then all humans would be SOL.
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