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posted Sunday December 21, 2008 10:17am EST

How to talk to writers

Jo Walton

Writers are people, and they were people before they were writers. They change light bulbs and buy groceries just like everyone else. Really. Because they’re people, they vary. Some of them are jerks, but many of them are very interesting people to talk to.

Writers will usually talk about their writing if you want to talk to them about it. But they can also talk about other things!

Writers mostly aren’t celebrities. They have a little bit of demi-fame within the community, and that’s it. For the few who are celebrities it’s different, but most writers are only too glad to have their name recognised.

However well you feel you know a writer because you have read their books or their blog, until you’ve met them you don’t know them, and they don’t know you. They’ll probably be happy to talk to you at a signing or a convention, but they’re not your instant best friend.

If you happen to be introduced to a writer you haven’t read, do not say “I’m sorry, but I haven’t read any of your books.” This just causes embarrassment. The normal state of affairs for an ordinary writer is that most people they meet haven’t read any of their books. This may be different for Terry Pratchett and J.K. Rowling. But ordinary writers that you might happen to meet won’t expect you to have read their work. This totally isn’t a problem unless you mention that you haven’t. What are they supposed to say in response? “Oh, that’s all right?” “Go away you illiterate ass?” There just isn’t a good answer and it leaves the writer spluttering. (Anyone who wants is welcome to my answer: “Oh, that’s OK, you can give me the five dollars now.”) I understand the urge to say you haven’t read them. It comes from guilt. But don’t say it. If you feel guilty just quietly go and buy one of their books later. And there’s no reason to feel guilty. Nobody expects you to have read every book in the world, least of all the writers. Writers see their sales figures. They know that statistically it’s unlikely that you’ve read their books.

Do not say “Where can I buy your books?” The answer is “The bookstore!” (Or “The dealers’ room!” or “Your usual online bookstore!”) Asking this question makes the writer feel as if you think they’re self-published and sell their books out of the back of their car. (My husband’s boss asks me this every time she sees me.) Ellen Kushner is irate about it in her journal. I think people ask this because they want to demonstrate good intentions, but again, don’t ask. If you want one just go and buy one quietly where you normally buy books.

If you have read their books and you adore them, do say so if you’d like to. You can’t go wrong with “I really like your books!” or “I really like Specific Title.” The worst thing that can possibly happen is that the writer will say “Thank you,” and you’ll stand there tongue-tied by being in their presence. This still happens to me occasionally when I meet writers I really admire. The last time I met Samuel Delany I managed an actual sentence with words in it, rather than just awestruck gurgling. Most writers can cope even with the gurgling if they have to.

If you have read their books and you hate them, don't say “I have to say, I really hate your work.” You don’t have to say it at all. Again, it leaves the writer with no possibly honest and polite reply. If you’re having an actual conversation with the writer about something and it’s actually relevant to say that you hate all alternate history including theirs, or their treatment of dragons, then it can be OK. But marching up to them and saying you have to say it—and it’s something people always feel they have to preface that way—is just a waste of time.

Pick your time to approach. If a writer is eating or busily engaged with other people, don’t interrupt them just to gurgle at them. There’ll probably be another moment.

Oh, and finally, if you meet a writer and they turn out to be four foot tall, or immensely fat, or terribly ugly, or old, don’t say “I thought you’d be taller/thinner/prettier/younger.” As I was saying, writers are people and can have their feelings hurt by this kind of thing just like anyone else.

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categories: Culture, ...and Related Subjects, Written Word
tags: fandom, Writers, conversation

46 comments
Paul Howard
1.  DrakBibliophile
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 11:32am EST
One thing I don't do is ask an author to sign my copy of their book when they're obviously going some place. Even if normally they'd happy to sign, there can be dozens of reasons they wont just then.

Drak
Jon Evans
2.  rezendi
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 12:04pm EST · amended on Sunday December 21, 2008 12:07pm EST
I frequently get, "Anything I'd have heard of?" which is well-intentioned, but tends in my case at least to lead to an answer which is either disheartening ("no") or messy and complicated ("well, I don't know, maybe, um, my one book won an award, but another is really well-distributed in Canada so you might have seen it in bus stations and airports and Shoppers Drug Marts, but internationally my latest is probably the easiest to find...")

I recommend "What's your latest work?" instead.
mm Season
3.  mmSeason
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 12:12pm EST
Looking forward to having anyone even think about gurgling at me! Thanx for this useful (and heartfelt) post... i'm just beginning to meet 'real' (meaning published) writers online and, yep, feels like being new at anything else. I hadn't made all of those mistakes yet - but now i won't. 80)
Earl Cooley III
4.  Earl Cooley III
Sunday December 21, 2008 01:41pm EST
This article would be great to put in convention program books.
Sean Pratz
5.  Galoot
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 02:14pm EST
I'd consider oral sex a good substitute for not having read my work. I mean, if you're going to gurgle anyway.
Earl Cooley III
6.  Michael Walsh
Sunday December 21, 2008 03:39pm EST
Having been attending SF conventions for almost 40 years one tends to be almost blase about authors. However, let me tell two stories:

I was almost speechless when Robert Heinlein asked what I wanted to drink, This was in 1977 at Suncon.

And, in very early 80s when I was working at a WaldenBooks here in Baltimore, I was putting out the new SF/F and a customer saw this and asked if there was a new Jack Chalker novel. This was when it seemed Jack had a novel a month appearing - but not that month. I said no and gave him some details about what Jack had coming out.

He asked: "How do you know all of this?" And I explained that I was up at Jack's house ... and immediately he said "You. Know. Jack. Chalker. ??"

Well, yes. Before he became a filthy pro as a matter of fact.

Those of us inside this thing called "fandom" do tend forget that the average reader who has no real contact with writers, well ... writers do seem like ghodlike figures to them.
Earl Cooley III
7.  Madeleine E. Robins
Sunday December 21, 2008 03:50pm EST
Excellent essay. May I add: don't say "Would I like your books?" Because there's no graceful answer to such a question. "If you've got a shred of taste," won't make you, the questioner, feel any better. An aw-shucksy "Oh, I dunno. Some people do, you might," is so...aw-shucksy. A comment like, "I'm going to buy your book!" is heartening to the writer, but doesn't leave the conversation anywhere much to go. "Excellent! Where are you going to buy my book?" or "What will you wear when you buy my book?"

Oh, and if there's just one thing in the writer's work that you have to set them straight about...tread carefully. Even if you're right, no one likes to be scolded or gloated at. And if it turns out that you're wrong, well, no one's going to come out of the conversation feeling happy. Because, really, writers are just people too.
John Ward
8.  jlward
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 03:58pm EST
I remember meeting C.J. Cherryh at a party. For some reason I got it in my head that I was speaking to C.S. Friedman. I spent about three minutes telling her how much I enjoyed the Cold Fire trilogy (even going into specifics about particular aspects of the book I enjoyed). She just smiled and said, "Thank you."

Well, at least I have a funny story.
Anthony Ha
9.  AnthonyHa
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 04:24pm EST
"If you happen to be introduced to a writer you haven’t read, do not say 'I’m sorry, but I haven’t read any of your books.'"

Doh! Guilty.
Earl Cooley III
10.  Harry Connolly
Sunday December 21, 2008 05:42pm EST
I sometimes cringe when I see wildly effusive praise for authors. Calling a successful novelist a god walking the earth or calling a writer a master after they've published two short stories are two real-world examples (well, internet-world examples) that leap to mind.
Carl Rigney
11.  cdr
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 06:14pm EST
A very handy article! It'd be great to see it reprinted in the Boskone program guide (where you're Guest of Honor) and the Montreal Worldcon 2009 guide.

Is it fair to ask "When's your next book coming out?" or is it more proper to look it up on Amazon? Or is the correct phrasing "I'm sorry, I've read all of your books, when can I hope for the next one?"

A friend who sometimes attends Worldcons has found his favorite parts are going to Readings and Kaffeeklatsches of writers he doesn't know, which has resulted in a number of excellent discoveries of new authors to read and then recommend to friends. (That's how our social group discovered Scott Westerfeld and Liz Williams, among others.)
Joe Sherry
12.  jsherry
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 06:23pm EST
Very nice essay.

Before I ever exchanged an e-mail with an honest to goodness published writer I kind of did hold them in that awe of "oh. my. god. You're the one who makes the words." E-mail helped.

Meeting several authors I admire at my first convention fully placed writers as real people in my mind.

Which means that writers (besides, say, Stephen King or George R. R. Martin) are now placed in that same category most other folks are placed in: People I Don't Know How to Talk To.

*g*
Steve Taylor
13.  teapot7
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 06:47pm EST
Didn't Ted Chiang get a Nebula for his very first published story?

What sort of pressure must that put you under for your next story? I think in that situation I'd just curl up into the fetal position and not come out.
Jo Walton
14.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 07:36pm EST
Madeleine: That's a terrific one. I usually ask what sort of books the person normally likes.
Jo Walton
15.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 07:41pm EST
CDR: I think "When is your next book coming out?" is absolutely fine. "When is Specific Title coming out?" is even better, as it indicated active knowledge and enthusiasm. I got asked when Half a Crown was coming out a whole lot in Denver, and I didn't ever think "Why can't they check online?" I thought "How nice, they want my book!"
Earl Cooley III
16.  Iain Coleman
Sunday December 21, 2008 10:52pm EST
A good thing to do when meeting writers is to hand them a copy of your 1000 page manuscript and ask them to recommend it to their publisher. That always goes down well.
Paul Howard
17.  DrakBibliophile
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday December 21, 2008 11:09pm EST
Ah Iain, I *hope* you're joking! That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Drak
Earl Cooley III
18.  jeffdavis
Monday December 22, 2008 01:02am EST
I once saw William Gibson walking along the sidewalk ahead of me and was a little bit starstruck. As we passed, I said, "Hey, aren't you William Gibson?"

He said, in a friendly way, "Yes."

I had no idea what to say next. So I said, "Hi!"

He said, "Hi!" and walked away.

Sounds like I could have done worse.
Steve Taylor
19.  teapot7
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 01:16am EST
> Sounds like I could have done worse.

Dee Dee Ramone said that someone once walked up to him and asked if he was Dee Dee Ramone, and when he said yes, punched him.

So yeah - I guess you could have.
Lawrence Schimel
20.  LawrenceSchimel
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 06:12am EST
I'm always boggled by "Have I read anything of yours?" as if I somehow knew what they had already read or not.
Jo Walton
21.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 06:26am EST
Lawrence: Yes, that's another one with no possible polite response. "Am I supposed to keep your book-log?" "They don't send me lists of everyone who has read my books!" Gosh, imagine getting a list of all the people who bought it. Imagine the bookshop "Can I have your name so I can inform the author..." "Seventeen people called Mickey Mouse... a hundred and ten John Smith's..."
Samantha Brandt
22.  Talia
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 10:52am EST
I had the honor to meet Neil Gaiman a month or so back at a NYC booksigning. I played it safe and pretty much didnt say anything as he signed my book. I tend to repeatedly make an ass out of myself in these situations, so I figured best just keep my lips zipped. I kinda regret it now, but so it goes.

At least I didn't make myself look dumb, so there's that.
Earl Cooley III
23.  Nick Mamatas
Monday December 22, 2008 01:53pm EST
I can't believe you have to change your own light bulbs, Jo. My agent's assistant does mine.

A question I don't like: "So, what are you working on now?"
A Davour
24.  wokka
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 02:43pm EST
Well, many people are terrible at making conversation in general. Even "normal" people often say very insensitive things, or just repeat cliches, or say things that there is no really good answer to. It would probably be useful with more tips on what to actually say, instead of only things to avoid -- especially if something like this goes in a programme book. (Why not give some tips on how to make conversation with other fans at the same time?)

I hope you think it's OK to say "I haven't read any of your books yet, but I've heard so much about /this or that great title/ and I'm really looking forward to reading that soon!" This is something I often say *about* authors, so I can imagine that I would also say it *to* one.
Stefan Raets
25.  Stefan
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 03:20pm EST
Great post! I often contact writers whose books become the Book of the Month in my discussion group (link in profile). I was very nervous about this at first, but it turns out that the vast majority are very courteous and happy to participate. So far only one writer completely ignored my email, most of them gladly joined the group and actively participated, and just one or two politely declined with very valid excuses.

That being said, while I'm now comfortable enough to write to authors, I still get terribly tongue-tied when meeting them in person. Thank goodness for the internet.
Jo Walton
26.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 06:32pm EST
Wokka: I think "I'm looking forward to reading Specific Title" is just fine, because it allows the author to say "I hope you like it." I think it would be better without preceding it by "I haven't read any of your books but..." but it still isn't anything like as bad. It's also just fine to say something along the lines of: "I read book one of the series, and I see there's a new one out, is that book two or have I missed one?" That's something that can be answered by specific information that might be useful to you and which the writer is pretty sure to know.
Sandi Kallas
27.  Sandikal
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 07:52pm EST
I don't usually have an opportunity to meet writers in real life. However, on several occasions, I have e-mailed authors upon finishing books that I really enjoyed. (Many writers have websites with their e-mail addresses posted.) I figure everyone needs positive feedback, even famous writers. I try to be specific about why I liked the book. In most cases, I have received very nice replies.

By the way, Jo, I read "Farthing" because of seeing your posts here and because people on some of my online groups were talking about your books. I thought it was really well done. I liked how realistic the alternate history was. It didn't have a "gee whiz" attitude about the differences between the book's history and our history. It was just matter-of-fact and that made it seem very real.
Matthew Brown
28.  morven
VIEW ALL BY · Monday December 22, 2008 09:53pm EST
I think the impulse behind "Where can I buy your books?" is a good one - generally it just means a lack of knowledge of the way publishing works, I think (and the way the Internet works).

Although it's similar to a question I often ask small bands: "Where SHOULD I buy your CDs?". Yes, I know I can google for them. I can probably buy them on Amazon unless they're really small time. But the reason I'm asking is that I want to know if they have their own web store or something where they get the retail profit as well, because I want to buy their product in a way that gives them the biggest cut of it. I wonder if that's ever behind the question for authors? Although authors are much less likely to have their own web store to sell their books from.

I guess the other thing people are really wanting to know is whether they'll find it on the shelves of their local Barnes and Noble or whether they'll have to order it. And if they'll find it, about where.
Earl Cooley III
29.  Neil in Chicago
Monday December 22, 2008 10:01pm EST
How can this thread have gotten this long without someone contributing:
The Universally Proper Way of Addressing an Author is: "May I buy you a drink?"
Earl Cooley III
30.  LisaVPadol
Tuesday December 23, 2008 12:54am EST
Sometime, "Where can I find your books?" means "Do you have one on you?" I've handed over money when that was the case.

The question I tend to ask is, "Which of your books should I start with?" Occasionally, "What have you written?" generally with pen and paper in hand, as this is generally followed by a quick trip to the dealers' room. The pen and paper is a necessary thing here -- well, you can use a keyboard -- as it communicates that this isn't a guilt-I-haven't-read-your-books.

When a friend of mine asked Esther Freisner which of her books to start with, Esther said, "One that's in print." She then listed the ones that qualified.

When I asked it about the Liaden books, this took a few minutes, as I'd asked it of the folks at the Liaden party in general, and it took a minute or two for someone to point out the authors.
Earl Cooley III
31.  Kevin Marks
Tuesday December 23, 2008 02:59am EST
W00t - I didn't realise "Half-Crown" was out - just bought myself a Christmas present.
I loved your Google short story in Subterranean too, BTW - do make sure you visit Google if you ever get to do a California tour.
Jo Walton
32.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 23, 2008 07:10am EST
Kevin: I visit Google every day, often many times a day! I find it hard to believe it has a real-space location. I'm so glad you liked the story.

Lisa and Morven: The trouble with "Where can I find your books, do you have any in your pocket or do you have a special online store where I can order them?" is that it strongly implies "Because you're self-published."
Jo Walton
33.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 23, 2008 07:15am EST
Sandikal: Enthusiastic emails on enjoying a book are always appropriate. I certainly always appreciate them.

And I'm very glad you enjoyed Farthing, or whatever.

After Tooth and Claw came out, I kept having people come up to me or email me and say how much they loved it. With Farthing, because of the sort of book it is, people come up to me and say they really um, you know, not liked, but...
Jo Walton
34.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 23, 2008 07:25am EST
A couple more:

Do not say "Have I heard of you?" Even more than "Have I read your books?" this demands a response that you do not have Google Brain to check their knowledge. I usually say "Probably not," because what this really means is "Are you famous?"

If you meet someone at a convention who is introduced as a writer and of whom you have never heard, do not immediately ask "What name do you write under?" If, after you've been chatting for a while about ships and shoes and ceiling wax you think they're a really interesting person and you want to read their books, it's OK to ask, but even then I'd phrase it carefully. Lots of people do write under something other than their own name, but they usually use the name they write under on their convention badge. If you ask them for a list of their titles, or where to start with their books, as suggested above, they'll probably say if you should be looking under Smith rather than (or as well as) Jones, and if not, that's the time to ask. If you're not in a con and therefore a situation where everyone is usefully wearing name-tags, asking the name or the spelling at that point is a perfectly sensible idea. But just coming out with "What name do you write under?" makes it sound as if you think you have heard of all the writers worth hearing about and the fact you haven't heard of them under the name they are using must reflect their obscurity and unworthiness rather than your lack of knowledge. In reality, there are so many writers nobody can have heard of all of them, and the writers are well aware of this and don't expect it. Again, this is different with Rowling and Pratchett levels of fame, but asking them what names they write under is also not recommended.
Estara Swanberg
Matthew Brown
36.  morven
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 23, 2008 01:54pm EST
bluejo @ 32:

In other words, it hits a writer insecurity? I suspect most of the time that implication is not meant, and certainly not meant insultingly - at the most, I suspect, it reflects a knowledge that their local book store might not have it in stock.
Jo Walton
37.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 23, 2008 02:18pm EST
Morven: I think Ellen Kushner puts it perfectly in one of the comments to the post linked to above:

'No, what I'm afraid I'm responding to in my post is the perceived (by me) implication that my books are weird and fringey and therefore not published by real publishers and for sale in real stores where real books are sold to normal people. Judging by most peoples' comments so far, that's just the giant chip on my old shoulder. But in my own defense I will add that I am not talking about getting this question from people (and, oh, let's say old friends who recently found me on FaceBook) who do not buy books for themselves pretty often. I find it somewhat painful to have to cheerfully drag out my, "Why heavens, you can find them in justabout any bookstore, or on the internet!" line. Some people have even asked me, "Are they in normal bookstores?"'

One person asking probably wouldn't set off anyone's insecurites, it's that when it's something you have to keep answering you start wondering what people mean by it.

There used to be an old add that said something was "Available where ever good thingummies are sold" which was clever, because if someone didn't have it then they clearly didn't sell good thingummies.
Matthew Brown
38.  morven
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 23, 2008 07:11pm EST
Ah, I see the point then.

I'm wondering if perhaps there's a defensiveness going on in the questioner's mind: "I haven't heard of this author, so either I suck for not noticing or they suck (or at least are weird) and that's why I haven't seen their books."

I think that's what you're perceiving, at least? (let me know if I'm wholly off base there)
Earl Cooley III
39.  pts
Wednesday December 24, 2008 12:01pm EST
So, let me make sure I've read this correctly.

The only thing you should say to an author is that you like their work, unless you don't like their work, in which case you should say nothing at all?
Jo Walton
40.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday December 24, 2008 12:59pm EST
PTS: You could try talking to them about the same things you talk to other people about. You know, cabbages and kings.
Earl Cooley III
41.  modallist
Friday December 26, 2008 03:54pm EST
Wow. The last (and only) time I met Samuel Delany, I actually managed an entire sentence, too! Then he was kind enough to sign the stack of books I had bought just a minute earlier, while he was standing next to me at the same dealer table. Made my con.
Chris Meadows
42.  Robotech_Master
VIEW ALL BY · Friday December 26, 2008 06:42pm EST · amended on Friday December 26, 2008 06:42pm EST
Here's one that bothers me a little.

I'm a friend of (well-known fantasy writer). Got to know (writer) on-line, ended up even visiting (writer) at (writer's) house a couple hours away from me when I was in the area.

The thing is, now I feel like I can't really criticize (writer's) work anymore. (In the sense of "This is what I feel your work did well and what it did poorly," not "your work sucks!") I don't think it would be terribly well-received if I were to tell (writer) "I think your latest novel was kind of formulaic and ended with a somewhat hard-to-swallow deus ex machina," even if I couched it in the nicest possible terms.

But on the other hand, if I posted it in a review on-line without saying anything to (writer), I'd be talking behind (writer's) back—which might cause problems if I posted it on-line and (writer) happened to google (writer's) reviews and found it.

What's a guy to do here?
Jo Walton
43.  bluejo
VIEW ALL BY · Friday December 26, 2008 07:40pm EST
Robotech_Master: You have to weigh whether art matters to you more than friendship, because you would be risking the friendship for art's sake. You might not lose the friendship, they might thank you for the honest critique, but you certainly would risk it because they might be upset. (And whatever you do, don't count that the writer won't see it. They probably will.) I think that either valuing friendship above art or art above friendship are valid, if incompatible, ethical positions. To be quite honest, this is a problem I have had myself and which I have sometimes decided one way and sometimes the other. I don't lie and say I like something if I don't, but I sometimes take the advice that if I can't say anything nice not to say anything. My only advice here is to avoid saying "I have to say...". You really don't have to say it. It's a choice, and a difficult one.
Justin Adair
44.  Hobbyns
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday December 30, 2008 11:49pm EST
Well, if I were to meet you in person, I suppose the first thing I'd do is rave about Farthing and Ha'penny and how much I'd enjoyed them, and thank you for the pleasure. Then I'd ask 'just what crawled up John Clute's ass and died anyway?'

I'd first gauge your demeanor to see if using the word 'ass' to your face would be deemed offensive or not and proceed accordingly, but I'd still broach the subject, one way or another.

Ah, who am I kidding, I'd probably just freeze up and start yammering like a fanboy like I did the last time I met an author I liked. Thank God for internet comments and the 'Preview Comment' button. Heh.
Earl Cooley III
45.  MistyMassey
Monday January 12, 2009 10:13am EST
Do not say “Where can I buy your books?”.... Asking this question makes the writer feel as if you think they’re self-published and sell their books out of the back of their car.

Amen! About a week ago, I received an email from a local school librarian. Their annual book fair was coming up, and she said, "You may want to grab us up some copies of your book." She thought that since I was local to her, my book must have been self-published. She was delighted when I suggested she contact the book fair distributor directly, and found that they could supply her with all the copies she wanted. :D

You can’t go wrong with...“I really like Specific Title.” The worst thing that can possibly happen is that the writer will say “Thank you,” and you’ll stand there tongue-tied by being in their presence.

Actually, the worst thing that can happen is for the writer to roll her eyes and say, "Everyone always comments on THAT book." It definitely shut me down, and I steered clear for the rest of the con.
Earl Cooley III
46.  L. Jagi Lamplighter (Wright)
Friday January 23, 2009 09:05pm EST
Excellent post. Lots of fun.

Whenever I hear about writers and fame, I am reminded of a story my editor told about his teenage daughter and a friend visiting a convention. When the friend found out that the daughter's mother was a writer, she turned with astonishment and said, "I didn't realize you were rich!"

I just love the idea that writers are all rich.
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