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Nov 21 2013 1:00pm

The Way of Kings Reread: Chapter 46

Brandon Sanderson The Way of Kings Welcome back to the Way of Kings reread on Tor.com. This week brings camaraderie to all the readers out there who dream that they are storms. What, you’re saying that’s not very many of you? Well, Kaladin’s just going to keep being him no matter what you say, as he joins Dalinar in the Crazy Highstorm Visions Club.

Witness the return of Skyface, our first birds-eye view of Roshar, a thrilling display of martial force against hapless mooks, and the intersection of three of our leading men: Kaladin, Adolin, and Szeth.

Chapter 46: Child of Tanavast
Setting:
The Sky, The Shattered Plains
Point of View: Kaladin

What Happens: Kaladin dreams that he is a storm, racing from the eastern sea across the surface of Roshar. He sees the continent from above, stretching out in front of him. He sees the Shattered Plains, much larger than he’d expected, then rushes west, passing cities he recognizes, like Kholinar, and others he’s never even heard of before. He sees unknown peoples, including a group with visible blue veins all across their bodies. He even sees a figure more familiar to the readers:

“A man stood over two corpses. His pale head shaved, his clothing white, the murderer held a long, thin sword in one hand. He looked up from his victims and almost seemed to see Kaladin. He had large Shin eyes.”

Everywhere Kaladin looks, he sees battle, warfare. He begins to believe that all the world has been swallowed up by war, and it saddens him. Conflicts thin out as he travels from east to west, but it is almost never absent.

The storm that Kaladin has been riding reaches the western ocean, and suddenly Kaladin hears a booming voice. It addresses him as a “child of Tanavast” and a “child of Honor.” It tells him that something called the Oathpact has been shattered. Kaladin doesn’t understand anything the voice is telling him. When he says as much, the face he saw in the highstorm that nearly killed him appears again, “as wide as the sky, its eyes full of stars.” It warns him that something called Odium is coming. Kaladin asks why there’s so much war in Roshar, and the face shatters “into droplets of water,” with one final warning: “ODIUM REIGNS.”

Kaladin awakens suddenly, surrounded by hostile figures holding him down. His instincts kick in and he absolutely wrecks his captors. After beating the snot out of them with his sweet martial arts moves, he reaches for the spear and knife he should always have at hand, and realizes they’re gone. Finally, the men who he thought had been attacking him get through his adrenaline: he’d been wailing on his bridgemen the whole time. When the highstorm started, he lost control of his body, and began acting strange. His men had been trying to restrain him for his own safety.

Now returned to his senses, Kaladin walks out into the light rain at the end of the storm and begins cleaning himself. Seeing his men lining up to be shaved by Rock, he decides to finally join them. Once shaven, his naturally fine bone structure is revealed, and Sigzil comments on how noble he looks. Kaladin lashes out against the concept of lighteyes, leading to a discussion of the various ways the nations of Roshar select their leading classes. Sigzil argues that, in the end, no method seems better than any other. All end with the powerful finding ways to abuse the weak. Along the way, he mentions the people with visible veins Kaladin saw in his vision.

Moash, who had claimed that he would change the world by pulling the lighteyes down, restates his faith that Kaladin was going to free them by teaching them how to fight. Kaladin reminds him that he never promised it would work. He rebuts Moash’s certainty that he, or any other darkeyes, would ever be allowed to keep a Shardblade, even if they managed to win one.

Rock, who had been listening to the conversation, approaches and calls Sigzil a Worldsinger, one who travels between kingdoms and tells them of the ways of distant lands. Sigzil freezes, then stalks away, ending the conversation.

Kaladin looks over his squad, which has been sorely pressed in recent weeks. They’re down to 28 healthy men, barely enough to carry the bridge. Luckily, today is the day the slave caravan arrives. Kaladin and Teft go to meet Gaz and get their new bridgemen. Unfortunately, it seems that Hashal’s new strategy for destroying Bridge Four involves starving them of new recruits. Gaz only has one man to assign to Bridge Four, and it’s a parshman.

Kaladin protests, saying that it’s madness to bring a parshman into battle against the parshendi, but his protestations fall on deaf ears. Kaladin brings the parshman back, and sees hostility grow in his men. That makes him pity and want to protect his new bridgeman, despite the voice inside him that rages against this new liability. He ends up naming the parshman Shen, and forcing his men to accept their new squadmate. He gives Teft instructions to drill the others, then takes a walk to think over his escape plan.

Kaladin’s wandering walk takes him through most of Sadeas’ warcamp, but brings him no closer to a real solution. He knows he can teach them how to fight, but he doesn’t know how to get them out of the camps with weapons, and he can’t help thinking that he’s leading another group of men into a disaster. He wonders to Syl if the Almighty hates him. Syl tries to talk him out of believing he’s cursed, saying that his survival might indicate the Almighty preserving him, which catches Kaladin’s attention. He presses her, asking her if she believes in the Almighty, or knows if he really exists, but she isn’t certain. This bothers her; it seems like something she ought to know. Kaladin tosses around ideas about religion a little longer, then asks Syl if she’s ever hear of Odium. She hisses and retreats under the eaves of a nearby building.

Before Kaladin can lure her back out, a commotion breaks out near him. A lighteyes officer in red pushes a half-naked woman into the street in front of him. From the sleeves of her dress, cut to reveal both hands, Kaladin can tell that the woman is a courtesan. The man kicks her in the belly, and Kaladin begins pushing towards her to defend her, but before he can make it several blue-coated soldiers intervene. Clearly, these are men from another army, led by a high-ranking officer. The men are soon surrounded by red-coated soldiers, and the two officers confront each other. The bluecoat tries to resolve the situation amicably, extending his hand in peace, but the redcoat spits on his outstretched hand. In response, the bluecoat summons a Shardblade. This scares off the scumbag in red.

With the threat diffused, the man offers the courtesan his aid. She offers to repay his kindness, ahem, but he politely declines, invoking his father’s “thing about the old ways.” He notices Kaladin, tosses him a sphere, and asks him to deliver a message to Brightlord Reral Makoram, letting him know that “Adolin Kholin won’t make today’s meeting.”

When he leaves, Kaladin looks at the money, and Syl praises him for going to help. He says it was foolish, but she’s still pleased with him. When he pockets the sphere and shows no intention of delivering Adolin’s message, though, she’s somewhat less pleased. She’s frightened by the darkness in Kaladin when he thinks about the lighteyes.

Quote of the Chapter:

“Except,” Kaladin said, “if there is no Almighty, there might be something else. I don’t know. A lot of the soldiers I knew were superstitious. They’d talk about things like the Old Magic and the Nightwatcher, things that could bring a man bad luck. I scoffed at them. But how long can I continue to ignore that possibility? What if all these failures can be traced to something like that?”

This is pretty lazy thinking. I can’t think of a reason why the absence of the Almighty would lend credence to the veracity of other superstitions. It happens to be the case that, so far as I can tell, all the things Kaladin just mentioned are real, but there’s no reason why they would be mutually exclusive, except perhaps that the Vorin church claims that one is real and the others fake. It’s also a strange time for Kaladin to be questioning his faith. He did just kind of see the face of God.

Commentary:

Woo, there’s a lot going on in this chapter. We get our first aerial view of Roshar, which tells us a lot. First, the Shattered Plains were shattered by something specific. They possess a beautiful symmetry, which lends credence to the theory that they may be the site of the lost city of Urithiru. Second, we see more cities and plants adapted to the storms, like the trees that fall down into the ground when they sense a stormwall rolling in. We see how much war there is in Roshar, and it really is a lot. And, finally, we see the return of Skyface.

Do you think Skyface hears Kaladin when he speaks? It almost seems, at the end, that he’s responding to Kaladin, but that could be a coincidence. Who is Tanavast? Is Tanavast the same as Honor? What exactly was the Oathpact, anyway? Now Kaladin has to deal with these questions, too. He also has to deal with dire portents about Odium, “the most dangerous of the sixteen.” Syl may not remember the Almighty, but she seems to instinctually remember Odium. Whatever Odium is, he’s probably responsible for the unseemly amount of war that plagues Roshar. Skyface also says that men don’t ride the storms anymore. Is this something Windrunners used to do all the time? I bet it’s connected to Dalinar’s visions.

It was a good idea to pair a display of Kaladin’s martial prowess with this chapter, which shows him grappling with the plan of how to train his men into soldiers and lead them to safety. He’s tremendously capable in battle, especially when operating on instinct, but his threat-recognition could use some work. It’s also nice to see him dealing with his problems more constructively. Long walks and conversations with his invisible friend are much healthier than staring matches with a chasm.

The mission statement of the Worldsingers is potent: remind the nations of Roshar that there are other kingdoms, places where people do things differently, in order to keep them from losing perspective. I wonder if Sigzil’s master, who we later discover to be Hoid, was instrumental to the founding of the Worldsingers. It seems like his kind of operation.

Who’s delighted to see Adolin cross paths with Kaladin? I find him much more appealing in this scene than in his previous chapters, partially because he’s being viewed from a distance. He’s bold, proactive, and even honorable in this scene, standing up for the dignity of a sex worker and turning his overbearing obsession with dueling to a constructive purpose. He still calls Kaladin “bridgeboy,” which, first of all, rude, but his effortless humor and dignity partially make up for it.

Kaladin also gets a glimpse of Szeth. I wonder if Szeth sensed his presence in some way. When those two meet, it’s going to be explosive.

The way parshmen interface with society is so strange, and Kaladin seems to realize it. Asking them to go to war against the parshendi requires Kaladin to face the question of how the parshmen differ from their martial cousins, and what it means for them to be enslaving these questionably-sentient humanoids. Syl, once again, serves as Kaladin’s conscience when dealing with Shen. I wonder if he would have made the right choice without her.

Last, let me say that I’m glad Kaladin finally shaved. The man could NOT carry off a beard. Embarrassing, buddy. We’re all embarrassed for you.


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43 comments
Ianray7
1. Ianray7
Wasn't Tanavast the shardholder of Honor before Odium killed him? Another great article, "Long walks and conversations with his invisible friend are much healthier than staring matches with a chasm." Cracked me up :D
Adam S.
2. MDNY
Yes, Kaladin needs to be clean-shaven. Then again, that also reinforces his youth. He was the youngest officer in the army before he was enslaved, and he's only 19, still barely a man. So I don't hold it against Adolin calling him "bridgeboy".
This chapter has some of the biggest allusions in the whole book to the larger picture, with Tanavast, Honor, and Odium all featuring into Kaladin's vision. The fact that this supernatural force he saw in the storm is speaking to Kaladin suggests that he is even more important than a bridgeman or a soldier, he is being singled out by some godlike being (like Dalinar).
Alice Arneson
3. Wetlandernw
Ianray7 @1 - Cracked me up, too. :) And yes, Tanavast was the holder of Honor - although, of course, Kaladin has no way of knowing that. For that matter, I don't think we would know it for sure if Brandon hadn't confirmed it extratextually.

I'm giggling a bit at the collective reaction to Kaladin shaving; I, too, was relieved when he shaved, because for some reason he just shouldn't be bearded. But I don't know why not. I certainly never had a problem with Perrin (WoT) being bearded, and he wasn't much older than Kaladin is here. Most of my favorite men have beards, come to think of it (husband, brothers, father...) but I still can't visualize Kaladin with anything but a scraggly, (and yes, embarrassing) beard.

I loved seeing Adolin from another point of view, and seeing him simply step in to stop abuse even though it was "none of his business" technically. And I adored the way he turned the offer of a handshake into summoning his Blade. :D On the other hand, his casual "Ho, bridgeboy," and assumption that Kaladin would simply do his errand without question was really grating.

The characterization of Adolin is, IMO, a brilliant piece of work. At his own social level he's a very likeable and honorable guy, with a few all-too-human quirks (like his courting failures, which never fail to make me laugh!), his great relationship with his brother, his combination of respect for and frustration with his father, etc. But he occupies a very privileged position which he's never had to even question, so his attitude toward his social inferiors is... well, it's perfectly understandable, but it grates on my American sensibilities. He's not ever abusive of the lower classes, and he's even quite willing to defend their human rights - but it never occurs to him to treat them as equals in human dignity, either - at least, not from their perspective. From his own, he probably thinks he does. It's a great juxtaposition.
James Reid
4. JamesReid
Is the face cultivation? Does cultivation send the storms. We've seen how the storms bring crem that seems to act as the bottom of teh food chain in roshar, like krill or plankton in the ocean.
Karen Fox
5. thepupxpert
Really great post this week! I'd forgotten about Kaladin's racing the storm scene and this was paraphrased very nicely. I also literally gasped at the scene with the courtesan, when the red soldier kicked her in the belly and spit on Adolin's hand. I really need to go back and re-read this book again. It'll be the 4th time but obviously I need to brush up in order to have some constructive comments available.

A little off topic but the mention of Hoid here reminded me of the storyteller in Warbreaker. I'm sure there's tons of information out there on the correlation between these two worlds and this post brought that to mind. And his method of storytelling was really outstanding, really transported me directly in to the story.

Also, I'm sure Szeth saw Kaladin. He may not have known who he was but my feeling is that they were both able to see each other. What does that make Szeth then?
Nadine L.
6. travyl
I found the storm-riding very confusing, albeit interessting. Were we supposed to recognize more people than Szeth? Where were those strange pulsing lights - and why "were" they?

The "child of Tanavast" exclamation seems to make it clear, that the face isn't Honor (if it's true that Tanavast was Honor), so who is he?
Drew McCaffrey
7. PallonianFire
@5 The storyteller in Warbreaker is the very same as Hoid in WoK. He appears in all of Sanderson's adult epic fantasy books, and is one of the most overt things that connects them inside the Cosmere. All the mentions in this chapter of Tanavast (who was indeed the holder of the shard Honor) and Odium, which is another shard, are part of the greater story taking place in the Cosmere as well.
Alice Arneson
8. Wetlandernw
travyl @6 - I think the storm-riding scene was intended to give us a combination of things we'd recognize right now, like Szeth, and things that we will recognize later when they happen. I can't prove that off the top of my head, it's just my assumption. Someone has probably somewhere made a list of the different places he saw, what we know about them, and what we've seen of them in the book. :) Not me, though. At least not yet.
Ianray7
9. SCM of 2814
You know, until people kept reffering to Skyface as Honor, I always assumed it was Odium. What Skyface says could just as easily be boasting as warning. To me, it was always Odium gloating that 'he's comng, and all you little pests are going to DIE'. Because I figure if it WAS honor instead of Odium, he'd have used 'My child' instead of 'Child of Honor/Tanavast'.

I just realized that Kaladin, like Dalinar, is particularly vulnerable to corruption by Odium (Ruin could corrupt, so I'm assuming that any Shard-gods so inclined could do so as well unless Brandon says otherwise). He's really honorable, but he has a non-wholly-unjustified hate-on for lighteyes . Honor and Odium. One wonders if human life on Roshar was a cooperative venture too, as with Ruin and Preservation. From what I can see, the Parshendi are the indigenously-evolved species...

Of our male heroes protagonists, only Szeth seems to be free of something like focused hate. Even Dalinar has The Thrill, which has been pointed out could be Odium at work. If anything, our favorite anime-ninja (big eyes!) has self-loathing. Can't tell with our scholar-women. They're both decent, but not exactly in the same area of honorable as our boys. I mean, one's a patricide and currently attempting theft, and the other is Jasnah, who seems a tad too utilitarian to be really honorable. And what that says about the position of this book with regards to feminism is hopefully a horrible accident that gets corrected in the next book.
David Foster
10. ZenBossanova
I am not convinced that the Parsh-men are native to Roshar. There are a few hominids that are native, like the Aimians. Are the parshmen from the same world as Odium?

Also, Brandon is not misogynist. His characters are just not simple by any means. He has many strong and good, female characters in his other books, eg, Warbreaker, or Mistborn.
Ianray7
11. SCM of 2814
@10: I know that! Vin is awesome! Hence why I'm hoping that the fact the girls don't see to be as... shall we say, as obviously honorable is more meant to be a subtle sign that men and women on Roshar don't work from the same honor code. Frankly, I can't recall an instance in the book where either of the women really considered things in terms of honor. I'm just pointing out the unintentional Unfortunate Implication this brings up.

On a random thought, I gotta wonder how far away from the equator the continent where all the action is happening is. The highstorms not withstanding, I don't remember a direct mention of snow as a thing. Frankly, without the highstorms, the weather put me to mind of those jokes about England where you can ahve all four seasons in one day...
Alice Arneson
12. Wetlandernw
Well, two women is hardly a statistically valid sampling...
Ianray7
13. SCM of 2814
True, but as main characters, they're the sample we're most familair with.
David Foster
14. ZenBossanova
What was that mountain city that Kaladin flew through? What could that be? It isn't possible that that is Urithiru, is it?

Also, I hate to upstage Kaladin, but my Movember growth is simply putting him to shame. But that is ok, I am not going to be Knight Radiant any time soon.
Andrew Berenson
15. AndrewHB
Syl's reaction to Odium is very interesting. In future books, we get to learn why Syl has such a viseral reaction. I wonder if it is related to her views on Shardblades.

Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewB
(aka the musespren)
Sent from my smartphone; please excuse any typos
Eric McCabe
16. Zizoz
@2: Kaladin is 20 by now. Chapter 37 is set 5.5 years ago but Kaladin is 15 then, so he's at least 20.25 at that point in the main story.

He thinks he's 19 in chapter 4, but honestly I'm not sure if the timeline can make that work. Kaladin joins the army for four years at age 15 during the Weeping. When he kills the Shardbearer, his enlistment will be up in "a few weeks". Chapter 2 is eight months after that. Even assuming that was rounded up, that's at least .75 years (since there are ten months per year on Roshar), and Kaladin is still not 20. So by Chapter 38, at least a year (.75 between Chapters 1 and 2 plus .25 after Kaladin turns 20) has passed since Kaladin killed the Shardbearer. That means the Weeping is coming in a few weeks from that point, unless we missed it somehow. Can almost the whole second half of the book fit in that timeframe?
Glen V
17. Ways
SCM of 2814 @11
Isn't Alethkar smack on the Equator--extending from about 45° South to 45° North? That's the way I'm reading the Roshar map, anyway. The Shattered Plain also appears to be around 45° South. I don't recall any mention of snow other than by Rock refering to the Horneater Peaks, which also appear to span the Equator. The tallest peaks in Hawaii regularly accumulate snow, so there's a RL precedent.

Re: Hoid
I'm reading Warbreaker presently and just finished the chapter where Hoid makes his appearance. Surprise!
Birgit
18. birgit
We've seen how the storms bring crem that seems to act as the bottom of
teh food chain in roshar, like krill or plankton in the ocean.

I don't think crem is alive. It is more like loess that fertilizes the plants.
Sean Taylor
19. Izzos
@11
Something interesting has happened that has changed up the seasons. In Dalinars vision of the Recreance there is a brief conversation about how long winter has been on and Dalinar is amazed that it could be cold for so long. It seems that in present day Roshar the climate is much more temperate than in the past. Also the Weeping is the only 'season' that occurs with any kind of predictable regularity, hence the reason for basing the yearly calendar around its occurance. IMO, this has something to do with the same cataclysm that formed the Shattered Plains.

Re aerial view of Roshar:
It again strikes me as interesting that the continent of Roshar is shaped like a hurricane cloud. Is it spinning? Or is that just from centuries of really strange weather? BTW, do we know if this is the only continant on Roshar?

@ 6, 9, and others
I have always linked Skyface as being the Stormfather. Initially I assumed that Stormfather=Almighty. By the end of the book, it seemed clear to me that it was not Honor, but that was more a hunch than anything. Odium never occured to me, but I don't think its him. I got the impression that Skyface was not malevolent. He actually seemed longing for the days when more men 'rode the storms. Sigzil equates Stormfather with Jezrien, so that seems like a possibility to me...although I'm not really sure what or who the Heralds are or what their powers may still be now that the Oathpact is broken. Still, he would have had to be identified as the Stormfather for a good reason...

Last thought:
The Worldsingers of Roshar seem eerily familiar in purpose to the Worldbringers of Scadrial.
Dixon Davis
20. KadesSwordElanor
@ several / Re: Honorable women

We are not automatically assuming Shallan’s patricide is unjustified are we (maybe in WOR)? And, let us not forget that Kaladin and men are/were keeping weapons and spheres from there masters. Though maybe justified, this is stealing too.
Matt Stoumbaugh
21. LazerWulf
@SCM of 2184: Remember, there are 2 Shards that are native to Roshar, Honor (who was male) and Cultivation (who was female). I believe this may be the reason Alethi society is split so heavily on gender lines. So while the males are honorable, the females could be seen as cultivating.
Nadine L.
22. travyl
@19.
I considered if "skyface" is the Stormfather and if he might be Jezrien. But I don't thinkt the Herald have that kind of power, I think they are "bound" to their human shape.
Jezrien / Jezerezeh being named Stormfather I interpreted as being the consequence of lore that was falsly passed down over the generations. This isn't Wheel of Time (where this was a huge theme) but the name changes along with the rumors about the Voidbringers (without any knowledge what they really were) indicate that the current population don't necessarily "know the truth".
Sean Taylor
23. Izzos
travyl @ 22:
I agree with you and have similar doubts. Still, I'm not sure who else it would be. What would have been the basis for Jezrien/Jezerezeh earning the monicker 'Stormfather'? It seems clear that the storms themselves are tied to the power/body of one of the Shards, likely Honor but I suppose it could be Cultivation too. So Jezrien clearly isn't the originator of the storms. IMO the image that Kaladin sees does not seem to me to be the same as the person that Dalinar speaks with during his visions, so I think that is a strike against Honor. I would be very surprised if it turned out to be Cultivation. In my mind I have tentatively linked her to the Old Magic and the Nightwatcher. Could be wrong. Likely am. It is all stil very puzzling.

*Edited to add some additional minor thoughts.
David Foster
24. ZenBossanova
I agree that it makes no sense for it to be Jezrien. He abandoned all of that, and besides, he is just a man, even if an ex-Herald. Is the term StormFather just an old "nickname" for him because he rode the storms particularly well? I don't think Jezrien has anything to do with Honor or the storms any more at all.

Cultivation is a woman, so that doesn't work.

I don't detect any animosity in the SkyFace, so Odium, doesn't seem right.

I really want to say that the Skyface is Honor. Honor seems to talk to Dalinar, even though Honor is technically dead. Is a similar thing happening with Kaladin? I don't understand how that would work, but it seems to be the only thing that makes sense at this point.

Has Brandon given any hints on this at signings or interviews?
Sean Taylor
25. Izzos
Maybe it is the Stormspren. The single one of its kind (kind of like that multi faced giant water spren). What wouldn't Axes give to collect this one!
Glen V
26. Ways
KSE @20
Stealing from whom? The spheres don't really belong to any of the High Princes. They should revert to the families of those who died, which is likely a difficult task to accomplish. This is minor and I'm being picky. The weapons, well, yeah, granted.

travyl @22
Agree. ZenBossanova has an interesting theory that I like, but somehow it just doesn't feel right.
Michael Johnson
27. mjjohnson
@19 - Izzos
If Roshar were somehow spinning (in some way other than the normal way planets spin), it would be clearly visible in the motion of the stars. Granted, I don't think anyone has commented one way or the other about the stars, so it's possible, but it seems like it might have been worth a mention...
Sean Taylor
28. Izzos
@27 mjjohnson
Sure…although I was thinking more along the lines of the continent spinning, rather than the planet. Just a crazy thought.
Matt Spencer
29. Iarvin
It could be that the continent is a giant shell beast, which is swimming around the world often. I doubt that though as I imagine it would cause a lot of earthquakes and such, and it would be very obvious to sailors, or actually anybody that is by the ocean.
Sirius Seyven
30. sirius7
What if the Skyface is a herald or Jezrien in particular. May be he still retains his abilities and he is actually doing the stormriding on every highstorm. May be he is a drooling fool because his consiousness always travel the storm. OR maybe its the other way round, like Kaladin- but in a more extreme way, Jezrien loses focus when there is no highstorm.

Spoiler below -
And there is also speculation that Nalan/Darkness does seem to possess some powers (travel surge?)
-ENd SPoiler

Also how much are the shardblade/honorblades related to surgebinding? we have seen lighteyes holding shardblade but exhibiting no surgebinding abilities. So does giving up shardblade/honorblade affect your surgebinding abilities? After all, the heralds are still around(Immortal/reincarnated/whatever). And for that matter, many were wondering what happened to the shardblades left by KRs. But, what happened to the KR themselves, did they lose surgebinding abilities? We certainly have not seen any of them in current timeline, did they have long lives when being KR?

Afterall (Spoilers ahead-not sure below info was from WoK or WoR, better to be safe) Honor did say something like, KRs are formed like how he created Heralds


ALso, can one(person/spren) willingly/conciously or forced to break a spren bond? We have seen in similar stories with bonding with other sentients(like dragons) that when the bond is broken, it may leave you in unstable mental state. So what happened to the KR? DId anyone ask Brandon about this?
Alice Arneson
31. Wetlandernw
sirius7 @30 - I'd sure like to see a citation for your second "spoiler" statement. I don't recall Honor saying anything of the sort, in either book.
Sirius Seyven
32. sirius7
Read this in 17thshard forum. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4222-spoiler-new-purelake-reading-info/ This info was supposedly from a reading on Dalinar's Vision, in Salt Lake City at the King’s English Bookshop. But no recording available.
Ianray7
33. kaladinfan
As a nonexpert, I have a few thoughts I would like to bounce off everyone.

I currently have two theories about why Shallan killed her father. The first, and least plausible as it goes against Sanderson's style, is that her father was trying to do something inappropriate with her. After all, she was the prefect daughter that was not allowed to be in the company of men. And she says how he would turn a picture to face the wall so others cannot see it. That kind of sounds like the behavior of a man who has icky feelings about his child. So she kills him to protect herself. My second thought is he was beating one of her brothers to the point that she felt if she didn't step in, her brother would be killed.

I am listening to the audio book right now and just got to the point where he had the vision where he is in Heb's life. At the end of the vision the voice tells him something along the lines of Act with honor and honor will aid you. I'm wondering if the honorspren are the last parts of Honor that can aid the people of Roshar.

Thanks for reading my ramblings!
Alice Arneson
34. Wetlandernw
sirius7 @32 - Thanks for the link. FWIW, the paraphrase of the paraphrase of the half-remembered quotation removes it so far from its original context as to render it nearly meaningless.
Jeremy Guebert
35. jeremyguebert
kaladinfan @ 33 - There are at least two of us on here (myself and ChocolateRob) who would agree with your second theory about Shallan and her father. Some people *cough* Wetlander *cough* know because they've already read the beta version of Words of Radiance, but they're not saying.

I would think that honorspren play a big part in the application of the "act with honor and honor will aid you" line. Kaladin's bond with Syl has a significant impact on his abilities. There's also the theory that the highstorms are the essence of Honor, similar to how (Mistborn spoiler) the mists were the essence of Preservation (end Mistborn spoiler), but since the Stormlight generated by said highstorms is freely available to anyone who can Surgebind, regardless of their honour, I think it's less applicable.
Jeremy Guebert
36. jeremyguebert
@ Skyface - ZenBossanova gives a pretty good breakdown of why Jezrien, Cultivation and Odium are unlikely candidates @24, but Izzos @ 25 makes more sense to me as a final conclusion. We hear Skyface call Kaladin a child of Tanavast / child of Honor, which would seem a bit off to me if Skyface == Honor, as most people generally don't refer to themselves in the third person.
Nadine L.
37. travyl
Above Zizoz @16. theorized about Kaldin’s age.
Interesstingly the next chapter gives us more food for speculation, even if I have doubts if my following deduction can be true:
chapter 47 is labeled to tale place "one year ago", and it describes the same event as chapter 1, which in turn happens 8 months before the next chapter where Kaladin is to soon arrive at the warcamp.
Which means, if we take the time designation at face value Kaladin so far spent barely 2 month (= 10 weeks) as a Bridgeman.
If it were true then Kaladin right now would be 4 y minus a few weeks plus 1 year older than when he joined the army, which was 2 month before he turned “old enough to leave for Khrabranth, (likely 16).
Which means right now, Kaladin should be 15y+8m+4y-“few weeks”
+1y = 20years + 8month
Which would mean, that the Weeping is supposed to happen right now, which it doesn't. So there definitely is a mistake in my math.
Conclusion: the "one year ago" time designation at the chapter heading is just an approximation and I have no idea how old Kaladin exactly is.
Ianray7
38. Capt D
Could the highstorms be caused by some sort of sudden change in Roshar's orbit about it's sun? A sudden change in the planets orbit would certainly cause all sort of catastrophic weather phenomena and would also explain why Roshar doesn't have a consistent seasonal pattern.
Sean Taylor
39. Izzos
Capt D @ 38
Planetary movement is certainly in the realm of possibility based on Brandon's other novels, but its just wild speculation at this point. I do think that there is something goofy about the weather that has changed since the Recreance.
Andrew Berenson
40. AndrewHB
On this Thanksgiving weekend, I am thankful that RL does not have the same dietarty restrictions for men and woman. If that were the case, I would not be able to enjoy Apple Pie.

Thanks for reading my musings.
AndrewB
(aka the musespren)
Sean Taylor
41. Izzos
travyl @ 37
I was just rereading the opening chapters again and noticed in chapter 4, page 75, when Kaladin rips up the slavers' map, he declares 'Happy Middlefest...' Now that could be as generic as saying 'Happy Birthday' or it could be that they were in the midst of a Middlefest holiday. Assuming the latter, we don't really know what Middlefest is, but the name is suggestive enough that it could be a holiday that took place near the Weeping. Given that there are alot of Highstorms described soon after these events, it would have had to occur after the Weeping. So perhaps that gives another anchor point for your calculations, these events might take place just after the Weeping that you were looking for....????
Eric McCabe
42. Zizoz
I think Middlefest would be more likely to occur in the middle of a year, so it'd be opposite the Weeping.

I don't think that works though, because Chapter 4 occurs eight months after Chapter 1 ("Kaladin had left an army much like this eight months ago", so there's no significant time between Chapters 2 and 4), which happens at the same time as Chapter 47, which is a few weeks before the Weeping.
Ianray7
43. Jasuni
If Kaladin is a child of Honor, would there be a child of Cultivation as well? (And would this be Lift?)

@41 Perhaps Kaladin was ignoring when the middlefest would be when he said "Happy Middlefest."

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