Mar 18 2013 1:03pm

Buffy the Vampire Slayer Rewatch: Who got those best friend, girl friend, fight a troll blues?

“Triangle,” by Jane Espenson
Season 5, Episode 11

“Triangle” opens with XandAnya snuggling at the new, improved so-not-a-basement Chez Xander, talking over Riley’s (allegedly) sudden departure and how very much Anya would prefer it if their relationship didn’t blow up in her face all of a sudden. Xander agrees he’ll give her lots of warning (to which we can all say “Ha!” or perhaps “Yikes!”) and she moves on to thinking that maybe they are immune from relationship disaster because it’s Buffy who is self sabotaging.

This leads to them speculating about how well she’s dealing with the break-up, which in turn takes us to Buffy herself. She’s not all warm and snuggly. No, she’s saving a nun from a vamp and then asking her whether the poverty-chastity-humility lifestyle, emphasis on the chastity, comes with good food and medical benefits.

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Post-Riley Buffy is behaving nothing like post-Angel Buffy. Apples and oranges, I know, but instead of running off and mourning for a whole summer this older, wiser, Buffy is actively pursuing her life and its various peculiar challenges. High on the list is Glory and Team Good’s total lack of information on same. Giles has suggested hitting up the Watcher’s Council for any scraps of knowledge that might illuminate their current profile, which boils down to: “snarky, violent, wants to kill Dawn, pretty hair, fists of steel, decent vocabulary and dangerous as all get out.”

Buffy doesn’t want Giles saying anything to the Council about the Key, but all he can promise is he won’t tell them about Dawn being it. He adds that they’re stuck asking England, in part, because they have no more ties to the government. He’s not trying to rub salt in the wound. But I have to think: wouldn’t Riley have asked Graham and Co. to look Glory up the first or at least the second time she beat the Tang out of his girlfriend? And given their overall level of competence in S4, isn’t it reasonable to assume he did ask but their database said, “Um, what?” In triplicate. They didn’t even know about the Slayer, remember?

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The scene wraps with a little Watcher-daughter talk a little about how she’s doing, but in the end Buffy assures Giles that going to find useful intelligence about the Big Bad is far more desirable than having him hang around Sunnydale consoling her.

Anya, meanwhile, is delirious with joy at the prospect of being in charge of the boogety boogety store and its beautiful money. Willow is generous in offering help Anya doesn’t want, and Giles tells her she’s not good with people—true—and needs the assistance—debatable.

This is where weeks of carefully front-loaded WillAnya bickering begin to intensify, you see, with much sniping and both of them demanding that Xander referee. He’s about as thrilled by this as any sensible human would be, and tries changing the subject. As a result, things don’t reach the bellowing stage yet, and we’re able to head off to Casa Summers to check in on Joyce and Dawn. The former is out of bed and little sis is very sweetly attempting to support Buffy in her newfound and depressing singledom.

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And speaking of he who triggered the meltdown, Spike is practicing apologies with chocolates, rehearsing them before his favorite blonde-wigged mannequin, Buffybot 0.0, and repeatedly losing his temper at her inability to forgive.

Okay, checking in with the cast gave us a break from the magic shop! Let’s go back there, where the story is! By now Giles has flown off to England and WillTara are helping around the store, where help is a euphemism for raiding the shelves for spell components. Anya objects, calling this thievery, and gets compared to the fish in the Cat in the Hat.

“He should not be here when your mother is out!”

Everyone loves being told they’re the stodgy one, right?

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Once again Xander is called upon to settle the question of who’s wrong, and this time he walks out on the discussion. When Willow tries to bring Tara in as a back-up, she bails too. This leaves Willow and Anya alone in the store, where they embark on the first half of a sensitive spell before actually getting into the fight they’ve been tending so lovingly.

And then they make a bear. No, wait, a troll! Anya’s ex-troll, as it turns out. His name is Olaf, and he starts laying about with a massive hammer. Glass shatters. Things break. The girls scream.

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Tara has hooked up with Buffy at university, of all places, and the two of them are talking classes before Tara lets it slip about the morning’s three-way tiff. Buffy, still sensitive over the whole “sudden breakups that start with little things” concept, starts to blub. This is goofy, adorable, and a little over the top. I will take it over brain surgery every time.

The troll, of course, is doing what trolls do, which in the Whedonverse is apparently rampage. Are there universes where trolls don’t rampage? I wonder. Willow and Anya are after him in Giles’s car, which Anya can’t technically drive. (I think she does fine.) They’re still working on who’s to blame for the whole situation, because that’s what’s most important. Sure, it’s petty. But we’ve all had that argument at least once.

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Soon enough the group converges at the Bronze: Xander and Spike are already there, jawing over love stuff, Olaf follows the smell of beer, and WillAnya and BuffTara follow the trail of broken lampposts, crushed cars and scattered dumpsters.

(“Puny receptacle.” We all laughed when he said that, right? Because it reminded us of The Avengers?)

Olaf, who up until then was happily drinking beer and wishing for a little roast baby, commences to yelling about how Anya was at one time his girlfriend. It turns out he’s the guy who cheated on her back when they were both human. When she retaliated by turning him into a troll, it got her the vengeance gig. They both owe their continued existence to his infidelity and her way with payback, but is either of them grateful to have lived long enough to see the invention of central heating and flu vaccines?

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Oh, no. Olaf trashes the Bronze, civilians get hurt, Spike declines to eat them and Buffy fails to fall in love with his masculine yet vampiric restraint.

(Spike did manage to grope Buffy during the melee, so the night wasn’t a dead loss from his perspective.)

Willow and Anya are sent back to the magic shop to find a spell that will deal with Olaf. This gives them time to get to the heart of the outstanding matter between them, which is that they both expect the other to eventually hurt Xander, one way or another. Willow has a bit of moral high ground here, I’d say, since she can point at Olaf as good solid evidence of Anya hurting a past lover. But Anya rallies, bringing up the whole cheating on Oz and Cordelia thing, and cleverly points out that of the two of them, only Willow currently has an active offer of employment from Vengeance Demons R Us.

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Maybe they’d get even further with the processing and end up really good friends if only Olaf was stupid. But he knows exactly what they’re up to and has come along to kill them before they can magic him out of Sunnydale.

Then Xander, who was tasked with following Olaf, comes rushing in to save the day, or at least his two favorite women... and gets himself seriously beat up. I can’t help but think the hammer to the head would kill anyone who wasn’t a regular character on a hit TV series.

Nevertheless he wins Olaf’s respect and a fun bonus prize: either Anya or Willow will be spared from horrible pulpy hammer death.

Xander, who is apparently picking up his girlfriend’s gift for tact, refers to this as insane troll logic. Olaf, who doesn’t much care for having his gifts rejected, then busts his wrist.

It’s sad, isn’t it, that they don’t have Glory’s address? (“No, wait, kill my other girlfriend! She has a condo and minions, and it’s not inconceivable that her fridge is full of ready-to-heat-infants!”)

Instead, Buffy intervenes and WillAnya cooperate to get the magic power-boosting hammer away from Thorlaf. He then seals his own fate by telling the still-sensitive Slayer that Anya’s hard to live with, and Xander’s far too breakable. Therefore their love will never last.

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That’s why their love didn’t last? Because Xander’s breakable?


An upset Buffy overreacts usefully by pummelling Olaf into unconscious mush, and then Willow sends him to the land of the trolls. Or possibly some other land, hopefully one where trolls are needed and in short supply.

Glory is still on the bench in “Triangle,” and for good reason. She’s too tough for Buffy to fight and the gang has dried up its research resources. Having to ask the Watcher’s Council for information really is as much as the Scoobies can do, and it’s nice to see how much it pains both Buffy and Giles to go to them, hats in hand, for answers.

With Joyce out of bed and no huge developments in the Key story, we therefore get a bit of a breather. “Triangle” isn’t a belly-laugh, but Jane Espenson’s script is a good-natured little gigglefest, with lots of adorable lines and references back to earlier Buffy episodes—there’s Spike’s fondness for the Bronze’s oniony thing, and the Land without Shrimp makes a cameo appearance. And, of course, we get to enjoy the whole riff where WillAnya love Xander and swear they won’t hurt him, but just by fighting they get his head hammered and his wrist busted and also cause him some personal distress.

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Of course, it’s Anya who has always been the more vulnerable in this particular romantic pairing, and despite Xander’s light-hearted promise in the opener, we all know what’s gonna happen there. You folks were talking about how Anya doesn’t get punished for her centuries of vengeance, but I’m not sure that bill doesn’t come due, big time, by the end of S7. The crushing of her marital dreams and her ultimate fate seem, to me, pretty damned harsh.

Finally, we also get that nice touch of foreshadowing for the end of season six, when we see what “I would never hurt Xander!” means to Willow.

All those little signs pointing forward, though, are less important than the curve this episode takes, at its very end, in the direction of the year’s finale. Giles comes back and he, Joyce and Buffy foolishly have a conversation about Dawn being the Key. In Dawn’s home. While Dawn’s in her home. Without even lowering their voices that much. The Scoobies really could use a cone of silence, you know?

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Chris Nelly
1. Aeryl
And Bad Jane! She left out the all important part where during all his intervening troll years, Olaf became the troll god, hence the hammer belonging to a god.

But goodness, this ep really is like a set up for The Avengers in some ways, huh? God with hammers, puny things, horrific beatings no human could survive.
Constance Sublette
2. Zorra
That hammer becomes very important by the conclusion of this arc. I was deeply impressed by that.

Isn't this the last episode that has light-heartedness for the rest of the series? Certainly it is this season. It's all horror, pain, suffering, terror, and inadequacy, and, well, what it is, for the rest of the episodes. No breaks for silly and goofy, for joy and fun.

Love, C.
3. Dianthus
I remember the actor who played Olaf from Parker Lewis Can't Lose. Just typing that sentence makes me feel old. I really liked his character on that show. He recently turned up as a giant on Once Upon a Time. It was nice to see him again.
At the risk of getting my fem cred called into question, I will confess to enjoying the scene where Spike gets handsy. He doesn't go out of his way for it, but hey, when the oppprtunity falls in his lap, he grabs it (and Buffy) with both hands.
As for his remarkable display of self-restraint....It's really something (IMO) seeing as he is not a character known for same. Plus, it's quite the contrast with Angel. Let's head over to AtS for a mo'. In flashback we see 70s Angel in a diner. He's alone, except for the bleeding gunshot victim lying on the floor. What does the Souled Wonder do, stumbling across an injured man? He walks over to the door, locks it, and settles in for a good feed.
Spike calmly, quietly, starts helping, with no prodding from anyone else, and he's not trying to call attention to himself. He was under no obligation to stay. He could've just shrugged and walked away.
Would it have been different if Buffy wasn't there? Possibly, but that's just hypothetical land.
When some people argue that Spike's good deeds don't count, cuz he's just trying to get into Buffy's pants, it is (in my mind) making the perfect the enemy of the good.
"What's it take?" he plaitively asks at the end. Indeed? When Spike makes the jump to L.A. (AtS s5), we find out the soul and the sacrifice weren't enough. He sure didn't get the Shan-shu.
There's a certain symmetry to it, I'll grant you. Angel went to Hell, Buffy was in Normal Again Heaven (her "awakening") and Spike was in a kind of limbo. Just like the beginning of s7, he's helping others while unable to help himself.
Now, more than a decade later, we're still waiting for a definitive answer to Spike's question. Whether the comics will provide one, it's hard to say. Spike took off for a bit, tired of the status quo. He'll be returning soon, and we can't even be sure Buffy will be glad to see him. *sigh*
As for Anya's eventual fate, the guy who disrupts her wedding was one of her victims from a long time ago, and her death was a coincidence. Whedon asked who didn't want to come back, since he planned on killing someone, and it was EC who responded. For years, Anya pretty much got a free pass from the Scoobies, except for Willow, who was ok with her by the end of this ep.
Chris Nelly
4. Aeryl
Abraham Benrubi is all over the place. He was on ER, he was Roy's gay son on Wings. He did a guest spot on Bones recently, freaked me out he was the godfather of a murder victim, best friend of the victims father, and I was all flipping, Larry can't be old enough to have grown children!!!!
Cain Latrani
5. CainS.Latrani
Are there universes where trolls don’t rampage?

Um... yes. Sorta. But, yes.
6. build6
"she endangered the money!!!"

Emma Caulfield is so wonderful.

Hammer - actually guys, that's one thing that's bothered me about this episode, I like that the hammer pops up at the end, but exactly when in this episode is Olaf referenced as a troll *god*? this thing has bothered me for a long time. I think I actually rewatched the episode once specifically to see if it pops up but never caught it (maybe I got distracted).

I was like, "wait, I thought he was just a troll?"
Chris Nelly
7. Aeryl
As I mentioned in my comment, Jane Espenson was supposed to include the statement, but it was never written or it got left out in editing, so when the claim comes up later, it didn't have any previous context.
8. Dianthus
The recapper for OUaT on Television w/o Pity used to recap BtVS, and she referred to Olaf the Troll God my ass when recapping the ep he was in. I was never a big fan of ER. Must've missed that ep of Bones. Benrubi was also in an ep of The X-Files. Not one of their best, but he was good.
Chris Nelly
9. Aeryl
Yeah, it was the artisnal episode where the woman who made Christine's apple sauce was murdered, and he played a godfather who scared off a suspect who was acting creepy.

I'd like to throw his giant character from OUaT and Olaf into a room, so the giant could teach Olaf some proper matters.
10. Dianthus
Manners? Manners? Trolls don't need no stinkin' manners!
11. Gardner Dozois
One of the last of the mostly (considering it's a series about fighting evil supernatural monsters, after all) comic episodes in the entire series. It's pretty much grim and grimmer all the way down from here on in. Oh, they tried for a lighter touch in the first few Three Nerds episodes, but their hearts weren't really in it, and there were some brilliant comic touches in "Once More, With Feeling" and "Tabula Rosa," but all in all, for the most part, the show got darker and more morose from here on in.

Some good comic touches here. I especially liked Spike suggesting that Olaf try the onion thing as a substitute for eating juicy babies. Olaf's performance was good throughout. And no, as everybody has pointed out, it wasn't established that he was a god anywhere in the episode.

The similarities to THE AVENGERS are interesting, and I like the idea of it being a dry-run, although, of course, at the time Whedon couldn't have known he was going to end up directing the Avengers movie, or even that there was going to BE an Avengers movie. I guess a troll is sort of like The Hulk, though: big, bellowing, rampaging, very strong, not terribly bright. Olaf is a bit more articulate than "Hulk smash!", though.

Mostly a wheel-spinner as far as the Glory arc is concerned, with the very significant exception of Dawn overhearing Buffy and Joyce talking at the end of the episode.
12. Catherinef
Re-watching S5 after a long gap, I'm struck by how many sweet and important interactions there are between Buffy, Giles, Willow and Xander (say, Buffy and Puffy Xander's conversation at the start of I Was Made to Love You, Buffy and Giles chatting here, or her comment in Checkpoint -- "they chose the one thing I can't bear to lose - you"). It's really nice to see these characters having non-antagonistic conversations which do seem born of the years of closeness in the face of danger that they shared. It also, I think, emphasises the importance of the original group and how in S5, it's drawing closer together after the natural spreading out in the transition from school to rest of the world of S4. Buffy has been temporarily drawn to a new parent/Watcher figure in Maggie Walsh, but has realised that Giles is the real deal; Riley is gone and soon she'll decide not to pursue a relationship with Ben because she doesn't need anyone; Xander is dating a character introduced in high school; Spike, introduced in S2, is becoming part of the gang; only Tara is new... the Scoobies are very close-knit at this point, which, of course, will make the conclusion of The Gift all the more devastating. It's also interesting to see how S7 will change the emphasis again, widening the group and forever altering the show's "one girl in all the world" premise.
13. Build6
@7 -
Ah I see, I didn't quite understand your post ("bad Jane?"). I don't really track who wrote what so didn't realize you meant Espenson (which I guess is bad of me, since I know she wrote my favorite episode "Intervention"). Now I understand! I'm glad it wasn't a last minute recon that Olaf was a god too
14. Dianthus
Whedon was a Marvel kid growing up, as opposed to DC comics. He mentioned it in an interview about the Wonder Woman movie he was briefly attached to.
Alyx Dellamonica
15. AMDellamonica
I was a Marvel kid, too! (She said, though it's barely relevant.)

I was waiting for someone to put the God in Olaf during this episode... and surprised that it didn't come up. When I originally watched it, though, I didn't question that the hammer was what they said it was.

@Catherinef, I'm with you on the lovely interactions.
16. Gardner Dozois
I was a Marvel kid too. I'd actually given up on comics after reading DC for a few years, and only started reading them again when the Marvel Revolution came along.

Beyond them forgetting to mention it, though, it's hard to see how Olaf could have become the Troll God in the first place. I mean, Anya turned him into a troll. Turning him into the Troll GOD is a whole different kettle of dead babies, and would seem like it would be beyond her power. Also, what happened to whoever was the Troll God before Anya found Olaf cheating on her and got pissed off?
Chris Nelly
17. Aeryl
I assumed you became the Troll god through might of arms or who could eat the most babies.
18. Dianthus
I was never much into comics, but I used to watch Batman and Wonder Woman on TV. I guess that sorta makes me a DC kid. I'm very disappointed that we still don't have a Wonder Woman movie.
19. Dr. Thanatos

We have had a Wonder Woman movie (knowing that dates me because it was decades ago and starred a blonde! Kathy Lee Crosby) but if you watched it you would think it was directed by Apokalypse...
20. Dianthus
Dr. Thanatos,
I had no idea. I'll have to check it out. Sounds pretty crazy.
Still, with all the recent comic book movies, I think she's due for another. I read an article about it (in EW?). She used to fight Nazis, it's true, but so did Indiana Jones.
21. Gardner Dozois
There was a rumor a few years back, before THE AVENGERS, that there was going to be a Wonder Woman movie, directed by Josh Whedon, but nothing ever came of it.
22. Dianthus
Just checked IMDb, according to them, the Cathy Lee Crosby version was a TV movie, not a big screen movie.
23. build6
@16 - the first time around watching S5, the first thought I had after "omg Anya *created* a god?" was that it was that it was "game imbalancing".

But then frankly, Anya's power has always been "imbalanced" - way too powerful (altering all of time/reality such that Buffy never came to Sunnydale?). So I just mentally filed it under "don't think too hard about it".

But yeah it makes more sense for Olaf to be a "normal troll" but who, say, *stole* the hammer of a Troll god; something along those lines?

Or maybe after he became a troll, the troll gods thought he was such an exemplary troll they decided to reward him with the hammer or something.
24. Gardner Dozois
As Aeryl suggests, he probably won a baby-eating contest. Perhaps earning bonus points by scarfing down a few hundred onion things as a side dish.
25. Dianthus
@21. Yes, Whedon was attached to a live-actionversion of WW. The crazy thing about it (IMO) was that he, by his own admission, had to be talked into it! It's the old DC/Marvel rivalry I guess, not unlike the Ford/Chevy rivalry for gearheads. I would think that if you considered yourself a Feminist, and you had the opportunity to be part of the legacy involving a Feminist Icon like WW, you'd jump at it. I also remember him being snarky about her costume ("no more star-spangled panties").
Some WW fun facts before we leave the topic: the character's creator was a man, but it was his wife's idea to make her female. Also, he and his wife had an open marriage - they lived with another woman in a polyamorous relationship. He also invented the polygraph. Interesting guy, that William Moulton Marston. I believe he passed away not long ago.
Chris Nelly
26. Aeryl
My understanding is he had to be talked into it, because he was worried about studio interference. So he got a concession that if he gave them a script they liked, they'd let hin shoot it the way he wanted. But they didn't like the script and pretty much never called him back. I've seen some of the concept art that was done for her, she wore a trenchcoat. It was awesome.
Chris Nelly
27. Aeryl
It was designed by Shawna Trpcic who's done costume design on almost all things Whedon.

I knew Marston's interest in bondage led to the was to nuetralize WW's powers was by being bound. It is still controversial if his early story lines were exploitative or empowering.
28. Dianthus
Okay...the Wiki article didn't say anything about Bondage Fun. I just thought it was cool that he was inspired by not one, but two strong women in his life - not to mention the whole polygraph thing.
It's my understanding that the studio rejected Whedon's script cuz of it's anti-corporatist slant (gee, there's a shock). Still, it's not like he's crying bitter tears over it either. Man seems to think he's the second coming of Orson fcking Wells or something. No studio interference? Please. Render unto me a break.
29. Dr. Thanatos
The Cathy Lee Crosby film was wildly rejected. It focused more on a woman running around in shortshorts and high-kicking.

Yes, like all superheroes from the era of WWII (Like Supes, Cap'n America, and Namor) she cut her teeth kicking Nazi tush. I'm in favor, by the way. There was a recent fanfilm made as a movie trailer that went back to roots; tarnished tiara, sneakers breaking out of bonds and kicking Nazis all over the place. No big whoop about catching bullets on bracelets, invisible jet, and tied up in shackles rather than her own lasso (which was the usual thing). Don't have the link but it's out there on Youtube and worth seeing...I think it was actually referenced on Tor a few weeks ago.

Modern renditions likely to focus on 1) action scenes 2) tightytights and 3) trying to invoke Linda Carter
30. Dianthus
I understand the CLC version was a failed pilot for a TV series. Linda Carter had auditioned for that too, it seems. Glad she got the other instead.
There's no Bad Guy like a Nazi.
What she's wearing isn't really the hot issue for me. I didn't realize how many times they've monkeyed with her costume in the comics, but since I grew up with the TV show, that's what I see when I think of WW.
Linda Carter is still out there as an entertainer, and I'd love to see her have a cameo in a modern version of the story. She was in a fairly recent ep of Law & Order: SVU, as a con artist. She was very believable, and looking fine.
31. Dr. Thanatos

She did h ave a cameo in "Sky High" as the tough-as-nails principal at Super Hero High School---at one point near the end she says with a wink "I don't know how to get all this done. Who do you think I am, Wonder Woman?"
Alyx Dellamonica
32. AMDellamonica
I am all for the baby-eating contest. Olaf would, I think, be up to that challenge.
33. Dianthus
@31. Missed that. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.
I love stuff like that. Faye Dunaway in The Thomas Crown Affair remake also comes to mind.
34. Dianthus
@24. Onion Blossoms or Blooming Onions.
There's also an ep of AtS called Why We Fight that's set during WWII. For those not familiar, it makes reference to Cap't America and presents us with the suggestion (quickly dispelled after a commercial break) that Spike was in cahoots with the Nazis. As if!
Not only was England standing virtually alone against the Nazis (or, as Eddie Izzard refers to them, 'mudering Nazi f*ckheads') until we entered the war, Spike would never willingly throw in with a bunch of Right-wing Authoritarians.
Alyx Dellamonica
35. AMDellamonica
It seems very unlikely that Spike could bring himself to see the Nazis as anything other than wankers.
36. Dianthus
@35. Too bloody right. A fella's gotta have his standards.
Chris Nelly
37. Aeryl
@36, I wonder how much British nationalism is involved in that as well. Angelus was pretty bloody ruthless, I could see him siding with the Nazis sans soul, but Spike I think, based on the flashbacks, was always invested in maintaining a decidedly English presentation throughout his immortality. Angel pretty quickly adapted to the customs of the places he inhabited as the years went on, IMO.
Alyx Dellamonica
38. AMDellamonica
True, Aeryl. Once he'd reinvented himself as a workingclass Brit, Spike had a pretty solid identity.
39. Dianthus
Nationalism plays a huge part in it. Spike even starts singing 'God Save the King.'
The Nazis have caught themselves some vamps (Spike included) with the idea of controlling them (sound familiar?), but they've gotten loose.
Spike's too much of a Wild Card to play nice with Authoritarians. Too bad we never got a scene btwn him and Mayor Wilkins. That would've been awsome!
40. Dianthus
Spike's nationalism is ironic to me, b/c it's very similar to Lestat's nationalism in Anne Rice's The Vampire Lestat. I don't know if it's coincidence or not. It's a whopping great one, if so.
There, Lestat is still following news reports of the French Revolution.
Lestat and Spike have a lot more in common than Whedon realizes (they're both 'bomb-throwers' for one thing, and the fact that each turned his mother, both of whom were dying of consumption).
I really wish Whedon wouldn't bag on stuff he doesn't know/understand. Angel's actually a lot more like Rice's other vampire, Louis (who feels guilt for the killing, unlike Lestat, who enjoys being a vampire - like Spike).

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