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Nov 28 2011 3:00pm

The Walking Dead S2, E7: “Pretty Much Dead Already”

The Walking Dead S2, E7: “Pretty Much Dead Already” review

“Pretty Much Dead Already” is an important episode. Not only is it the midseason finale (yay cliffhangers!), but it’s also the line in the sand between Frank Darabont and Glen Mazzara as head honcho of The Walking Dead. This season has had some high points, low points, and points hovering somewhere just below middling, so I, for one, hope the change in leadership will bring about a tighter ship. Or at the very least finally settle on being adequate and run with it. We won’t get a real feel for Mazzara’s techniques until next year, but fortunately for Darabont, “Pretty Much Dead Already” made for a high note to bow out on.

For the first 45 minutes, this episode was more or less rank and file with the rest of the season: a few sparkles of greatness, some head-scratchingly stupid moves, and a whole heckuva lot prime cut bullhockey. Dale, Andrea, Daryl, Carol, Glenn, and Maggie are stuck in school grade romances where you always hurt the one you love, Shane is out to prove he’s the biggest, toughest, meanest meanie on the playground, and Rick wants to be the bestest 8th grade class president evar. Oh, and T-Dog and the other Hershel hangers on were doing stuff over there or whatever.

Before I get to the really good stuff, that scene with Daryl and Carol in the stables really sticks in my craw. I get that Carol might come to a point where she realizes she may never find her child (or find her alive), but I don’t buy two things about that scene in the stable:

1.) It’s only been, like, a week, two at the most, since Sophia went poof. The Carol that has been established wouldn’t have shrugged and said “oh, well” after such a short amount of time. No good mother would.

2.) Worse, to have her trade her missing daughter for a dude? Oh, Daryl, it’s fine that my only child might never be found again, but you’re here so that’s cool. Makeouts? Truthfully, I think the timing and the structure of the conversation conveyed something the writers weren’t intending. Much like Dale’s confrontation with Shane last week (and this week in the swamp) that made him come off like a busybody jealous boyfriend rather than someone concerned about the loose cannon with a gun, I don’t think the writers realized what they were doing with Carol and Daryl. What was (probably...hopefully?) supposed to be a scene that established romantic tension and pragmatic acceptance of a painful scenario came off as Carol ready to ditch Sophia for Daryl. This made Daryl’s reaction seem less like someone upset about people giving up on a lost cause (because he was a lost cause once and there was no one there to look out for him, says your Psychology 101 professor) and more like he was pissed over her sexual overtures.

Okay, rant over. On to more entertaining topics. There’s a lot to unpack about this episode, almost all of it falling in the third act. “Dead Already” resolved Glenn and Maggie’s spat over the barn walkers in such a way that it felt like a real couple’s argument and not just a case of a bitter single woman nagging her sex-stud boyfriend. They had a problem, they discussed it, they came to an agreeable compromise, and then they stuck to it. Glenn looking back at Maggie before joining in on the gunfight wasn’t “Mommy can I have a cookie?” but “I need to do this and are you okay with it?” And she was, because she’s the only smart person on the show. The writers have set Rick up to be the straight man, but Maggie’s got that role locked down. I really hope that if/when they leave Hershel’s farm Maggie goes with. She’s too great a character (and Lauren Cohan is too great an actress) to ditch after a handful of episodes.

Then there’s Lori’s fear about being pregnant in a world where that makes her a supersized happy meal to a hungry walker, compounded with Rick’s panic over the very real possibility that he could lose his wife and unborn child if they’re forced out of Hershel’s idyll, and divided by Shane’s mounting instability. He’s been acting a fool ever since murdering Otis but the more he keeps pushing the ethical envelope the easier it gets. As long as he can keep justifying slaughtering a shuffle of zombies — which he’s only doing as a slap to Rick’s face, not out of any real sense of protection or concern — he can keep tinkering with his moral compass and not feel guilty. Berenthal’s treading on some moustache-twirling villainy, but for the most part he pulled it off.

We’ve also got Hershel’s steadfast insistence that the undead are really just people with a bad case of the sicks, and the look on his face as he watched all that explode in a hail of bullets and decaying guts was wrenching. Rick is right, Hershel’s ignorance of the realities of the zombie apocalypse made him make an incredibly stupid, risky, and dangerous decision to keep them in lockup. The walkers would have escaped eventually, and without weapons Hershel and co. would quickly be overrun. Rick would have never been able to convince him to take out the walkers anymore than you could convince me to execute my neighbors because you don’t like the way they park their cars.

Rick has kept his zombie killing to the bare minimum. He’s still uncomfortable with the whole thing, though he’s willing to do what needs to be done. Lori’s recognition of that is why she is so against Carl having a gun. He’s not old enough to have the life experience he needs to keep killing zombies and still have a conscience about it. She’s — rightfully — afraid of his becoming too casual about it, of having death and killing become routine, of him turning into Shane. That’s why she tells Shane even if it is his baby (a probability I don’t think Rick’s thought through yet) it will never truly be his. As the show kept saying, Rick isn’t built for this world and Shane fits too neatly in it. And while the latter significantly increases your chance of survival, the former allows you to keep your humanity intact.

The Walking Dead S2, E7: “Pretty Much Dead Already” review

And then there’s Sophia. If the writers would spend even half the energy on character development that they do on big moments like Rick putting Sophia out of her misery I could put my Negative Nelly hat to better use on Terra Nova and American Horror Story. Because that was a truly great moment in the show’s history. I’ve long suspected Sophia was toast and that it was just a matter of time before we found her moaning about brains (in Woodbury perhaps?). But her being part of Hershel’s petting zoo was unexpected. (I guess I should have been more prepared, after all AMC showed Rick shooting the little girl from the gas station in the preview wink wink nudge nudge.) The only things that detracted from the scene were Rick screaming at Hershel to take the pole (what, no one else was physically capable of holding a dead dude on a stick except an ex-cop and an old man?) and Shane’s peacock posturing and caveman chest-beating (yes, we get it, you’re upset, but please, dude, take a chill pill). But the good bits outweighed the heavy-handedness of the rest of the scene.

For a show that manhandles subtlety as often as it does, it was a nice touch to give all of Shane’s supporters guns and turn them into a mini army against the walkers. Better still, they’ve spent all of their free time hunting for Sophia and talking about how they should just abandon her because she’s probably dead, well, that came back to bite them on the ass when she strolled out of that barn. It’s one thing to talk about eventualities, it’s a whole ’nother thing to be hit over the head with them.

In the end it came down to Rick. It always comes down to Rick. Through all of Shane’s grousing, Andrea’s harping, Dale’s backbiting, Glenn and Maggie’s face sucking, Lori’s whinging, Carol’s whimpering, Daryl’s ass kicking badassery, and T-Dog’s T-Dogging, Rick remains above it. A good leader doesn’t have to march around in military dress shouting commands and looking impressive (notice how Rick’s stopped wearing his uniform and Shane’s wearing pseudo army duds?). A good leader is diplomatic, compassionate, can compromise for the good of the group, and can guide the followers without making them feel like they don’t have a choice. A good leader makes the hard decisions, takes the bullet, and does the dirtiest work in order to maintain the group. Shane may be hopping all over his moral lines in the sand, but killing a little girl isn’t something he’s ready for. None of them are, not even Rick. But Shane and Hershel got them into this mess and someone’s got to get them out of it. Sophia had to be put down, and Rick was the only one brave enough to do it. And now he has to carry that with him for the rest of his life.

Well, folks, that’s it until February 2012. What’d you think? Did the finale restore your faith in the show or shore up your criticisms? I’d also love to hear your theories about come what may in the comments section — just remember, if you’re dragging in stuff from the comics, please preface it with a big ’ole SPOILERS tag so we don’t ruin things for the virgins. So, conspiracists and fans, where do you think The Walking Dead is headed? In the meantime, I’ll leave you with my newest favorite behind the scenes photo ever taken. See ya’ll in a few months!

Final Thoughts

  • “Hey, where’d you go?” “I’m here.”
  • “How many times has Rick saved your life?” Good job, Shane. Women love it when men keep score against each other.
  • “At least I can say when this world went to shit I didn’t let it take me down.” “Fair enough.”
  • “I forgot that they’re dangerous.”
  • “I wanna take Norman Reedus behind the middle school and get him pregnant”
  • Shane, haven’t you ever heard the phrase “don’t poke the bear in the zoo”? That applies to cannibalistic corpses, too.
  • Lori still has Carl doing homework. +10 mom points.
  • It’s a shame when a 10 year old has a better moral compass than a 30-something year old man.
  • If the Emmys had a scenery chewing award, Jon Berenthal would win hands down.
  • So you mean to tell me that Hershel’s had to listen to them talk about a missing little girl all this time and he’s had her in his barn and didn’t say anything? Nope, not cool, man, not cool.

Alex Brown is an archivist and reference librarian by day, writer by night, and all around geek who watches entirely too much TV. She is prone to collecting out-of-print copies of books by Evelyn Waugh, Jane Austen, and Douglas Adams, probably knows far too much about pop culture than is healthy, and thinks her rats Hywel and Odd are the cutest things ever to exist in the whole of eternity. You can follow her on Twitter if you dare.

20 comments
Bill Capossere
1. Billcap
Talk about a show that epitomized the season.

That scene between Daryl and Caryl (why do I feel I'm in a Neuhart show writing that?) was one of the worst of the season in terms of timing, characterization, plausibility. Was there really no other way to show us what they wanted to show us?

The Dale scenes had potential, but as so often happens with them, they end up feeling too long despite their brevity, too repetitive, and too much like they are padding the night's episode. Let me take the guns here so I can give them to you there . . . I understand there are character things going on, but his scenes need some real sharpening (let's not even get into T-Dog's "scenes")

So they learn that Herschel's group are holding a lot of zombies in the barn they basically tracked Sophia to and nobody thinks to wonder if Sophia is in the barn? I've got serious issues with that. And think of some the scenes that could have come out of that . . . Speaking of which, it would have been nice to get some sense of the awareness of that or possibilities of that in Herschel's group's conversation or demeanor--some points you could look back as a viewer and say "ahh, nice"

Shane's crazy man walk. Necessary or no? Essay due tomorrow.

I really liked Glenn and Maggie's conversation. I just wish we could have separated the end of the conversation from its result longer than a second. The whole, you've just overturned my entire view that I've held for a while so now I'm gonna kiss you like crazy was just a bit too Hollywood. Some delay to let her (and you're right--she is the smart one) digest and then come to it would have been nice. Though the look between them at the end was well-done

As was the look on their faces as they, for their various individual reasons, got to open up on the walkers a bit.

I would have liked a slightly slower reveal and linger on Shane and Andrea's inabilities to kill Sophia

The Rick killing was one of the show's best moments, though I'm not sure about the gun barrel focus

the urgency and tension over trying to stay being ratcheted up by Lori's pregnancy was strong throughout

Shane's life-saves chart was a nice bit of characterization

as usual, some seriously weak moments, some "was that the best choice, really?" moments, some "ruh-roh, we've got ten minutes left over" moments, and some "oh, that's why I keep watching" moments. Those latter ones though, were so strong, one really, really hopes this is a turning point
Gary Masterton
2. GM
Little things; the bowl of fruit on the table during Herschel and Maggies love-thy-neighbour-let-them-stay argument, Herschel telling Rick he wants him gone by the end of the week. Why are they artfully putting fruit in bowls? How do they know what day of the week it is? Rawr! Its the apocalypse, not a soap opera! Appreciate the gravity of the situation, people!!

Spoilers

Lets be honest, the next season will be exactly the same. Just move from the Gone with the Wind set to Oz backdrop, and keep working on these fascinating 'interpersonal dynamics'. Most likely season 3 will be the governor and woodbury, season 3 finale the battle of the prison. So season 2.5 will be fitting into the prison. Dealing with the inmates, Dexter, season finale Rick killing Dexter and then the news helicopter reveal, a la Lost. You heard it here first folks.
Roy McCarty
3. kloud213
I think this will be a turning point for Rick, the prison sequence really fucked Rick up as a character in the graphic novels. So I think the whole straight man thing is going to end now. I just really hope they can bring back the tension from the first season/graphic novels. I relize Hershals farm was suppose to be safe and the characters were suppose to relax, but they kind of screwed the pooch there. More zombies, More psychotic breaks, and (SPOILER) Carl finally killing Shane. That's my prediction. Also where is Tyreese and his group. He was pivitol to Ricks character development in the prison.
Andrew Danielson
4. wonderandy
I want to give Herschal the benefit of the doubt and hope that Otis rounded up already zombiefied Sophia and stuck her in the barn before going to the school and just didn't tell anyone. That or Sophie actually made it to the farm before everyone else and decided the barn was the better option. Anyway it went down I would like them to say so in the show come Feb.
Alex Brown
5. AlexBrown
On a "Glenn is so sweet" note...

@Billcap: Great points there. And you're dead on (no pun intended) about the pacing of the Sophia reveal - and the Glenn and Maggie thing, too. Shandrea's inability to pull the trigger really did need a longer moment, but it still worked pretty well.

@GM: I feel you on all your gripes. I had them as well. I get that Hershel wants everything to stay the way it was back before the world ended, but seriously, man, they waste a lot of very valuable resources.

@wonderandy: However Sophia ended up in that barn, they definitely need to give us some closure on that end. Judging by the previews for next year they'll be at the farm at least part of episode nine (though I suspect we'll be there for a few more episodes), so hopefully they'll get to it then.

Look away lest ye be SPOILED



@GM and kloud213: They already announced that Michonne will show up in season 2 (likely toward the end), and that The Governor is slated to show up in season 3, so we should definitely hit the prison soon if they keep on comic schedule. Then again, they might move things around so who knows. They aren't shooting in Georgian prisons yet from what I gather so it might not happen yet. I have a feeling they're going to eek out more scenes at Hershel's farm only instead of living peacefully there's going to be an outbreak of bitchfest. Don't know if they'll have Carl off Shane, but it would be a great bookend to Rick constantly killing dead little girls.

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EdgarAllenHoopoe
6. EdgarAllenHoopoe
@Alex and @wonderandy:

My little brother pointed out that during the preview shown during Hell On Wheels, Herschel tells Rick that Otis must have rounded Sophia up before the group showed up. When Otis died, there wasn't anyone that knew who was in the barn. I was confused by this too.
EdgarAllenHoopoe
7. Spooky Mizu
Overall, I enjoyed this episode more than most of this season, despite the awkwardness of the Daryl/Carol scene and Shane's over the top behavior.

Boy, I don't think that Rick and Shane are going to be the ones that go at each other. I'll bet Daryl will take down Shane long before Rick or ...


Carl (like from the comics) have had enough of him.

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Daryl seems likely to keep a grudge, particularly with the specter of his brother whispering to him to do bad things.

The scene that bugged me the most was when Maggie put the egg in Glenn's hat. I just seemed out of place and inappropriate for the character. It was one of those jarring moments for me that took out of the show for a moment.

I was starting to lose interest so far this season, but they ended the midseason with a better episode. On to the Prison!!!! And bring on Tyresse!

@EdgarAllenHoopoe

I don't buy Hershel not knowing about Sophie. He or members of his group regularly fed the barnwalkers, so it seems likely they would eventually notice a new girl in there.
Chris Palmer
8. cmpalmer
My opinions...

I like Dale a lot, but I don't really understand the "guns are evil" philosophy (or the scarcity of guns and ammo for that matter - they are in the south). Maybe there should have been more gun "accidents" other than Carl standing behind a deer or Andrea shooting Darryl (when he did, reasonably, appear to be a walker). Otherwise, giving every man, woman, and child a sawed off shotgun sounds like a very prudent idea.

I was hoping Rick would at least pistol-whip Shane upside the head at the end.

I think it's plausible that Hershel and his people who fed the barn walkers never knew that was Sophia and, if they even suspected, they were too scared of what would happen if they revealed it. You know, the longer you tell the lie, the harder it is to tell the truth. Assuming that Otis wrangled and fed them before and nobody else wanted to look at them very closely. Interestingly, Otis didn't seem to consider them as sick people when he accompanied Shane to the school - was he just wrangling them for fun and because Hershel wanted him to?

Glenn and Maggie are the only two intelligent characters on the show, I think. Although Darryl is great if the writers don't screw him up.

Now for two big logical problems:

First, using Hershel's farm as a model, I really don't buy the idea that they can't find a similar homestead, clear it of walkers, surround it with razor wire, and build a functional compound. Every farm in Georgia cannot be burned out or unsurmountably infested with zombies.

Second, the issue of the barn called for a compromise. Hershel's insistence that the walkers are just sick was delusional, but Rick's gang's "It's impossible to be safe when there are walkers locked up somewhere" doesn't make a lot of sense either. At some point, someone needs to recognize that locking up a few walkers and observing them for a long time would be useful. How fast do they weaken with no food? How accurate are their senses? How long does it take them to rot? Does it matter how "whole" they are when they are turned or do the badly damaged ones deteriorate faster? Locking them in the dark and throwing them chickens wouldn't answer those things, but neither does shooting every one you see in the head.
John Ginsberg-Stevens
9. eruditeogre
That's a pretty fair roundup, Alex. My major annoyance with the episode was that they rehashed a number of issues and conflicts we have already seen and did not develop them, like the Dale/Shane dynamic. The scene with Daryl & Carol in the barn made my grind my teeth. I also felt that Maggie started out too childish (with the egg and all) but that further along in the episode there was some good progress with her relationship with both her father and with Glenn. She's waking up to the world around her and this is one of the strongest roles in the show.

I liked that the ending subverted how things went in the comic and focused not just on the violence but on different characters' responses. I was surprised by Sophia's appearance and truly annoyed afterwards, but apparently Kirkman noted in the post-show discussion that there was a scene that explains this that got left out. That does not really redeem the error. But then I wondered if for some reason Herschel KNEW Sophia was in there and was essentially protecting her from her own people. THAT could have been a very interesting way to go. . . .

I think the show improved in the last few episodes, although it's still meh-to-OK with some good moments, but I am curious to see how the fallout from this event poisons the group and the illusions of their host.
EdgarAllenHoopoe
10. sofrina
i knew there would be one straggler emerging once they'd lowered their guns. well-played, writers. that was an excellent entrance for sophia/ending. in my vision for a perfect follow-up, a strong new carol rises from the ashes of this nightmare, dries her tears, crosses the yard and slaps ol' herschel clean off his feet. the accusation goes something like, "all this time you've been giving us maps and leads, risking our lives in these zombie-infested woods, and you KNEW she was in your barn?" and then the real killing starts.

nothing they say will convince me that no one knew that in the two days that girl was missing they had caught a child matching her description and outfit into their barn. she was the only kid in there!
Alex Brown
11. AlexBrown
Regarding Sophia in the barn, if Otis dropped her in there then it makes sense why they wouldn't have noticed her, especially if he wrangled her in there and then went deer hunting. He wouldn't have needed to get anyone else involved in her retrieval, and judging by her lack of decomposition she was probably turned shortly after running out of that creek. He didn't meet the rest of the Grimes crew and Rick and Shane weren't exactly thinking clearly at the time. Otis never even knew she was missing. And chances are good that he was the one feeding them - hence his Missus picking up the chore in "Secrets." And she never hung out in the barn long enough to do a head count. Besides, when you've got a dozen or so adult walkers in a darkened barn, chances are good you wouldn't spot a tiny dead child hiding behind some hay bales. Otis (and the rest of them) were probably humoring Hershel with keeping the walkers in the barn - something that's a lot easier to do when you're isolated and think there's going to be a cure soon.

@Edgar: I hate watching those random scene interstitials in Hell on Wheels (not too thrilled with that show on its own, and shoving TWD in the middle of it doesn't help matters), so I missed that. Every time they come on I mute it or change the channel. But I figured they'd explain it in the next ep because it's a helluva thing to brush past.

@Spooky:

SORTA SPOILERY


I do think Shane has very much overstayed his welcome, and if they had a full season 1 instead of a half we'd be done with him a lot sooner. But if they axed him now we'd be without a Big Bad until He Who Shall Not Be Named shows up next season. Hershel would make a terrible villain, and there isn't anyone else in the Grimes crew who could step up (unless its T-Dog...would explain why he's still there...unless they're going to hook him up with the Awesomest Chick with Samurai Swords in the Undead World, in which case NO). So yeah, I get why he's still around being a dick, but it doesn't mean I'm not ready for him to piss off already.

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@cmpalmer: I, too, have issues with the supposed scarcity of guns. If the gang were better at scavenging they'd have a veritable arsenal by now. And your notion about finding somewhere, securing it, and settling down will be addressed soonish...possibly as soon as the midseason return. And I agree that someone should eventually start trying to figure out what walkers are, though I don't think this group is quite ready for that yet. They've got a lot more pressing issues to deal with. They're still trying to survive, and studying the walkers means you have a secure, peaceful place to hunker down with lots of resources and defense/offense. They don't have any of those things right now.

@eruditeogre: I didn't mind the egg thing so much. It reminds us that a) Glenn and Maggie are no Rick and Lori, and b) that they are still so very young (or at least younger than everyone except Carl and that random teenage boy who keeps popping up). It was cute, silly, stupid, irresponsible, and petty, and when I was 24 I probably would've done the exact same thing.
Andrew Danielson
12. wonderandy
Has it really only been a week, maybe two? Did Carl really heal as much as he did from being shot in that little time??
Alex Brown
13. AlexBrown
@wonderandy: It certainly hasn't been a month. They haven't discussed the timeline in the show, but a majority of the episodes this season took place over a few hours in a single day, with the next ep starting the following day. Carl is up and about but was still favoring his side. He was only out of it for a few eps/days so maybe a week's past since he woke up post-surgery. Give or take a few days on either end it can't have been more than 2 weeks since Otis shot Carl.
nicole rich
14. nrich
When they hadn't found Sophia by the end of last episode and started focusing on the barn, I started wondering if she was in there, so I was glad when that was all settled. Overall, this episode was pretty satisfying despite the Daryl/Carol almost hookup.

SPOILERS

Actually, now that I think about it, in the comic, Andrea and Dale become an item fairly quickly so maybe this is the show's alternative old person + young person love story since in the show Andrea pretty much hates Dale like the plague. At this point, I cannot really see them getting together, although that may change once Shane is gone.

Out of curiosity, I went back to look at my comics to check the timeline.

MORE SPOILERS

In the comics, they actually meet up with Tyreese and his group before meeting Hershel and hole up in a gated community for a night before they are attacked and lose another survivor. They wander around in snow for quite a while before they find the prison.

Carol grows increasingly erratic , particularly after her failed relationship withTyreese, eventually attempts suicide, proposes a three-way marriage to Rick and Lori, sleeps with young Billy Greene and finally embraces a captive zombie's bite to end it all. I'm still hoping all this will come to pass because I really, really dislike her as a character.

I could imagine them spreading out the time a bit longer before they reach the prison by having at least one episode at the gated community, but logistically I doubt they will include the winter scenes (cool as they are) since most of the filming has taken place during the summer thus far.

I predict that they are keeping T-Dog around as the "token" until Tyreese and his group show up and then he will be bumped off.

Shane needs to die soon, but I still can't decide who will do the deed. Maybe he will be super heroic and off himself in order to save the group ( and by that I mean Lori/Shane/his unborn baby). He is just the sort of uber drama queen to pull something like that, so we can all say, "awww... he wasn't such a bad guy afterall...." or something.

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All in all, I am actually looking forward to the next half of the season after all this.
nicole rich
15. nrich
Also that picture of Norman Reedus makes me have feelings.
Alex Brown
16. AlexBrown
@nrich: Yeah, I keep meaning to go back and re-read the comics to clarify the timeline. Thanks for that.

Norman Reedus makes me feel all funny inside.
EdgarAllenHoopoe
17. Improbable Joe
Team Shane!!

How does Dale know what happened with Shane shooting Otis? Magic old man wisdom powers? Blegh. Why would Rick tell Shane that Lori is pregnant, not reveal that he knows that Shane could be the father, and then walk away leaving his friend to suck on that bit of poison? I can't tell if Rick is the most passive agressive jerk on Earth, or just passive and dumb as a box of hair. And Dale deserves to be shot for hiding their guns in the swamp. What next, hide all the car keys under a rock so no one can leave without his permission?

In the plus column, I love that when Maggie smashed an egg on Glenn, his response is to be concerned about the wasted food. And almost any time a child is killed on-screen on TV, I feel a little bit happy inside. And, ummm, TEAM SHANE!

... man, this show sucks.
Alex Brown
18. AlexBrown
@ImprobableJoe: Dale's battle royale with Shane grows ever more ridiculous. His character has no idea what Shane's been up to and has no basis for his suppositions (even though they are right), which makes Dale look like the psycho jealous tool and Shane come out reasonable. As for Rick, I don't really think Rick has come to the conclusion that Shane could be the father yet. I think he assumes Lori and Shane got it on once, not over and over again until a few short hours before Rick showed up.

I don't know if I'd go so far as claiming the show sucks. It's very problematic, and when too many illogicalities pile up they tend to overrun the good bits, but it ain't no American Horror Story.
EdgarAllenHoopoe
19. Xaviersx
Dale is one of the most dangerous of the group, his weapons of choice words and conjecture with a convincing fatherly air that undermines and wedges. I liked him far better written than acted, as some of the others in the group are naturally progressing to be in the world they live in while he seems to root them to a gone past.
Alex Brown
20. AlexBrown
@Xaviersx: I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad or dangerous thing to espouse the values pre-apocalypse and attempt to apply them to the current world. Those that fit too comfortably in the new hell (like Shane) are ultimately going to be the ones to prevent the rest of them from learning to survive in it, because a social group doesn't work if it's every man for himself. Shane and Dale are both right and wrong. In the end, it's people with mentalities like Andrea, Daryl, and Rick who are going to make it, because they're the ones that can dip into the black and white areas while still maintaining a life in the gray.

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