Thu
May 13 2010 1:26pm
Lost Round Table “Across the Sea”

In this heartwarming, post-Mother’s Day episode of Lost, the secrets of Craphole Island unfold before our very eyes, all questions are answered, and everything finally makes perfect, beautiful sense...

Oh, c’mon—where would be in the fun in that? Join us below the fold for another exciting, spoiler-filled installment of “What. The Hell. Is Going On?” with bloggers Rajan Khanna, Theresa DeLucci and Bridget McGovern.

Raj: I’m having a hard time knowing what to think about this episode. I was looking forward to finding out the whole Jacob/Silas thing (might as well continue to call him the Deadwood name since he still doesn’t have one), but by the end of that episode, there’s not much new that we know about them. I was happy to see Allison Janney show up—think she’s generally great—though I did think she was an odd fit for someone who would be speaking Latin natively. She seemed awfully modern to me. Here at last we see the crazy mother that Smocke was referring to. A crazy mother who also served the island, though we still don’t know why or who put her there to do so.

Then we have the interesting role reversal of Jacob and Silas. Jacob came off like young Anakin Skywalker—whiny and dull. And NOT gifted at all. We see it’s Silas who is the special one. The one who, like Hurley, can talk to dead people. Silas also comes off as more sympathetic, at least to me. He’s lied to and manipulated and wants to fight back against that. Jacob just takes it out of a desire to be loved, though obviously he’s been manipulated as well.

I was happy to see the origin of the donkey wheel, though I don’t know how they were able to figure out how to use that to manipulate the energy. I was hoping that they would show later scenes from Jacob and Silas’ lives (or non-life, depending) and I was really surprised when the episode came to a close.

I was thoroughly disappointed with the Adam and Eve reveal. It does tie things together and references the pieces, but for some reason it doesn’t seem as epic as two dead lovers. I think that this is one thing that people had been speculating about for years now and it turns out one of them is a character that only pops up in the second to last episode.

Then there’s the energy thing. Obviously we’ve seen this throughout and this seems to be what Widmore is after as well. But is it more than electromagnetism? Is there a moral component? And why did sending Silas down into it release the smoke monster? That seemed really odd to me.

This wouldn’t be a Lost Round Table without me having a problem with the episode. It’s not that I mean to be negative, but again I think they could have covered a lot more in the time that they had. Let rip about the smoke monster. Show us who put the Donkey Wheel together. How and why did Jacob leave the island? I’m started to get a really bad feeling. We have only one more episode to go, then the finale. Yes, it’s two and a half hours, but there’s still a lot to cover and I think that a lot is going to get glossed over. At the very least they have to have the final confrontation with Smocke, end up with a new Jacob, and tie up the Earth-1/Earth-2 thing. And we need to at least see what Ben and Richard have been up to with Miles. It doesn’t seem like there’s enough time in there to do too much else. I don’t think that we’re going to get BSG-level craziness, but I’m preparing myself for the end being underwhelming. I hope I’m proved wrong.

Theresa: I’m giving up on hoping for a satisfying ending to the mythology. Pretty much everything sounds trite when you boil it down to its most basic part. Golden heavenly light: Meh. It is pretty frustrating that in an episode filled with some big chunks of exposition, we still don’t know a whole lot. Okay, so Allison Janney was crazy. But she was the protector of the cheesy golden light that is the heart of the Island and the source of its power. So how did she get there? Who told her all of that? Or she was nuts and just making it up? (Well, clearly not since something turned Silas into the smoke monster.) I just wasn’t feeling a lot of emotion and connection between her and her kids. Maybe it’s because the kid actors weren’t that great. I know that sounds a little mean; they’re just kids. But why use kids for half of the episode when they grow up to be the fantastic Titus Welliver and Mark Pellegrino? So Lil’ MiB can say foreshadowy things like “Maybe one day you’ll make up your own game with rules, Jacob?”

Back to the the golden light for a second, though. Remember when Locke spoke to Mr. Eko (moment of silence please) back in season 2? Eko asked John what he saw when he looked into the heart of the island. John said a beautiful light. I guess, as is the case with a lot of things, I don’t necessarily want to see the light. I just want to know what heavenly light means to the character. And I think there is definitely a moral component to it: Mr. Eko said he did not see light when he was first confronted with the smoke monster. And look where he is now.

I just want more character intrigue. And this episode did have at least some of that. I agree, Raj—I liked the way my sympathies changed after watching this episode. Mostly. When did the MiB become so bad exactly? He has a legitimate reason for wanting to leave the Island. Why is Jacob so sure his mother was right? Would the ending have been a little more satisfying if we saw Jacob saying goodbye to his dead brother only to turn around and see the monster using his brother’s body and then realize the terrible consequence of his misdeed? I liked the cuts to Jack, Kate, and John (all looking much younger!) wondering who the skeletons were. But yeah, I think I would’ve liked a different, more romantic explanation.

Yes, I’ve been pretty grumpy with Lost this season. It isn’t my favorite season. But maybe some Miles snark will fix me up again.

Bridget: It appears as if most people are having seriously polarized reactions to this episode—a few people here and there seem to love it, while everyone else I’ve heard from seems utterly disappointed. I thought there were plenty of strong points: I also really like Allison Janney, and I’m always happy when Titus Welliver has a chance to shine. As much as I enjoy Mark Pelligrino as an actor, this version of Jacob was kind of a dullard, stuck playing the lame, obedient Gallant to the MiB’s far more interesting, rebellious Goofus (he’s special!).

In spite of the Olde Timey settings and the heavy mythic/mystic overtones, a fair amount of the episode boiled down to sibling rivalry and questionable parenting (though to be fair, so do most great myths and legends in every culture, from Greek tragedy or the Mahabharata to the Bible and Mommy Dearest). I appreciated the backstory here, but thought it could have been tighter—I agree, Theresa, that we didn’t need to spend quite so much time with the Kid in Black and mini-Jacob. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that many people (including Raj) felt compelled to draw comparisons with the Star Wars prequels, although I still think Jacob could take Anakin any day; we should set up a cage match.

In any case, what I took away from this episode was the sense that there aren’t going to be any fundamental answers in the end, no bedrock foundation of Absolute Truth to rely on. Jacob and the MiB started out just as confused as everyone else who ended up on the Island—the woman who raised them may have been crazy, and lied to their faces like Ben Linus in funky handwoven drag. The Mother of All Unreliable Narrators, she clearly had the power to establish certain rules (not to be confused with The Rules, although I bet she gave crappy dating advice, too)—but having power on Lost is never a sign that someone is morally, or even factually, correct. There’s always another perspective, another interpretation…

I’m starting to think that that’s the line the show is toeing to the bitter end: rules are arbitrary, interpretations are infinite, every question answered will simply lead to another question, and the climax will be one kind of faith conflicting with another. My guess is that whoever ultimately triumphs (or survives, at least), the matter of the truth will remain open and uncertain—whether it will come off as the most brilliant thing ever or a total crap-out remains to be seen, but I’m still dying to know how it will all play out.

Please join us with your thoughts in the comments below, and enjoy this week’s goofy links:

• All kinds of crazy Lost props are up for auction (via io9)

• Graphs always help, right? I Think We’re LOST (via Priya Ravishankar)

• Yikes...I know we talk some smack, but some people really, really hate Kate

• The Soup presents Lost versus V, winds up with déjà vu all over again

Lost Slapdown: in which Damon and Carlton tangle with some pretty pushy Muppets.

• And speaking of manic puppets: Dr. Pierre Chang breaks down “The Candidate


Theresa DeLucci is a graduate of the 2008 Clarion West Writers Workshop. Her fiction has appeared in Chizine.

Rajan Khanna is a graduate of the 2008 Clarion West Writers Workshop and his fiction has appeared or is forthcoming in Shimmer, GUD, and Steampunk Tales. He lives in Brooklyn with his two cats, Chloe and Muppet.

Bridget McGovern is a lit nerd, a film geek, and a complete pop culture junkie. She still misses The West Wing sometimes, and had some issues with Highlights magazine as a kid, in case you couldn’t tell.

21 comments
Richard Fife
1. R.Fife
I think what stuck out to me the most in this episode's non-answers was "How did Jacob become fully powerful?" Yeah, yeah, the wine and the chant, but I am not overly convinced that the mother had all that much "power". After all, she claimed that she had made it such that Jacob and MiB couldn't hurt each other, yet twice Jacob beats the ever loving crap out of MiB. And when did Jacob get his faith in humanity? We know that MiB had already lost it.

I am also somewhat confused on whether or not the Smoke is actually MiB's soul transfused into the power of the light, or did the smoke just take on many aspects of MiB, including the whole "Jacob took my body from me" the same way it has taken on many aspects of Locke's personality, such as "Don't tell me I can't do"?

And, what is up with all the juxtoposition in how the mystical characters feel about humans, particularly the crazy mom. She derides humans as heinous and flawed, always resorting to death and violence, yet she is in awe of the light, which she says all men have in them. So is that light the stuff dreams are made of, or souls? Is it a propensity for good? Or just some inner strength? And if it is any of those things, why did it turn into the smoke, either being MiB transformed or some other lurking beast that stole MiB's memories and personality?

So. Many. Questions! The one thing this episode got right was the mother's words to the birth-mother: "Every answer I give you will only lead to another question."
James Hogan
2. Sonofthunder
I was also struck by the fact that apparently we will be terribly confused by the end of this series. We all pictured Jacob as some wise all-knowing, almost-all-powerful man. Now, we see he was just as ignorant, and probably is making up most things as he goes along, as well. Even though he apparently can randomly travel anywhere...I wish we could have seen some of that, actually. His construction of lighthouse, etc.

This episode disappointed me, but mostly because it didn't resonate with me either on the plot level or the personal level(usually when the plot doesn't go anywhere, I still enjoy the episode if it's a lovely character story). I didn't sympathize with any of the characters(except for MiB!) and we get brand new things introduced. Golden light? What?? It reminds me of an end to a poorly written sci-fi book...have lots of cool stuff happen in the book, then abruptly explain everything in the end by introducing previously unknowable facts, characters, etc. I almost think this season would have been better with the "flashbacks" being the Jacob/MiB story. Even though I do love the flash-sideways!

I'm trying to severaly degrade my expectations for the finale. I'm trying to just enjoy the ride(and most episodes, I do!)but last night wasn't even enjoyable.
Chin Bawambi
3. bawambi
I've always been of the conclusion that team light was always team dark grey and team dark was team light grey but this episode really disappointed me. I think Alison Janney was a poor choice for crazy mom and it went downhill from there. While I didn't like the end of BSG I'm gonna hate the end of this with one exception. If MIB does escape and the world doesn't end and Earth 2 is the final result of that I could live with that I guess.
Chris Long
4. radynski
I just want to know why *anyone* would make only half a wheel. It was as if they just dug the thing out of the prop closet and didn't bother with logic at all.
Dave Thompson
5. DKT
This was easily my least favorite episode of the season. It could've been much tighter (I agree - Jacob should've seen his smokey brother after he'd discarded his human skin - that would've been great).

Most of all, I think this episode should've come much earlier in the season. Last week 4 characters I cared about died. This week, we met a crazy "mother" who I cared nothing about, and how she raised her two son, teasing them about the mysteries of the island while they wore blindfolds. I actually liked the Adam and Eve reveal - that Adam is really the Smoke the Monster is kind of awesome in my book. But so much more of the episode felt like a let-down, felt like filler to get to that reveal. Some of this is at least partially due to me wanting to see the characters we know and love: I wanted to give Hurley a bear-hug instead, go hunting for Desmond in the well, and find out what Miles, Richard, and Ben are up to.

I'm still excited about the next couple of episodes, but this one was just incredibly frustrating, on several different levels.
WDHaw
6. WDHaw
Definitely don't think Smokey is Jacob's brother. For seemingly thousands of years the Smoke took on the one persona that would haunt Jacob and that is the MiB, just like he can appear to be any dead person.
James Hogan
7. Sonofthunder
That would seem to make sense...at least, I want it to make sense, because I liked Jacob's brother! I was also expecting Jacob to turn around from laying his brother and "mother" to rest and see Fake Brother standing there, evil smile and all. Would have been epic. *grumbles*

But that one pesky statement Evil Locke made about his "crazy mother" is bothering me...
Jennifer B
8. JennB
WDHaw@6
I think I agree with you that Jacob's brother is dead, just like Locke is and the smoke montser just took his form.

Here is a possible interpetation to what happened:

The island has two balanced forces, the light and the smoke monster. The guardian must keep them both on the island. She is tired of the job, so she aquires two candidates, Jacob and his brother, for her potential replacement. Her secretive ways make Jacob's brother turn against her and befriend the other people on the island. He helps the people try to find a way off the island using the light. The guardian, who must protect the light, confronts him, knocks him unconcious and buries the well he was using to access the light. She leaves. The smoke monster kills the people, framing the her. Jacob's brother kills her to avenge his friends. Jacob sends his brother to his death in the cave and is left as the new guardian. The smoke monster takes on Jacob's brother's form to ineract with Jacob.
WDHaw
9. Lily of the Valley
I thought this cleared up a lot, personally, but maybe I'm just too dense to make all the connections and actually....see....it. Whatever it may be.

Crazy Mom's description of the Light as "death, life, rebirth" really made me think that the Smoke Monster IS Jacob's Brother. He was reanimated as the Smoke Monster, a form which reflected his guilt over killing his mother, his anger over her killing the people he was relying on to get off the island, and his fear and sense of betrayal from Jacob.

Jacob's job is to protect the Light. Now his brother IS the Light. The very same brother that wanted, more than anything in the world, to get OFF the island. I can see JB's frustration at being foiled at every turn, at being denied what he craves for thousands of years. Not only that, but eventually Jacob himself can leave the island, leaving JB trapped and alone. I mean, at least before he had permanent company, but now he's literally the ONLY person that cannot, no way no how, never gonna happen, leave.

That....would drive anyone evil/insane.


P.S. Anyone wonder why Sawyer saw Dead Kid Jacob, too, a few eps back? So far Hurley can see dead people, but I think this is the first time someone else has seen a dead person that hasn't been a form taken on by the Smoke Monster. Oddly JB-like, what with his intense desire to GTFO the Island, and Jack's zen sudden willingness to stay. I don't know. I've been watching this show so long, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm seeing connections that aren't there.
Dave Thompson
10. DKT
@ Lily of the Valley:

Desmond saw the kid, too, right before FLocke tossed him down the well. I'm not 100% sure, but my guess is that they could see him because they're candidates (although I know Desmond isn't technically a candidate - but I'm kind of betting on him being a wild card candidate somehow, since FLocke couldn't kill him either). This might also explain why Richard Alpert could not see the dead kid.
WDHaw
11. bryanL
The thing that bothered me the most was that the boys didn't know the concept of death (despite hunting a boar soon after) but seemed able to grasp the idea of places outside the island, which seems much more plausible of a thing to be oblivious to. I think that was a bit a poor writing. I'm also a bit confused as to whether the dark brother died and the monster was released or if he became the monster. I get vibes that it has t o be one and not the other, but going both ways!
Allison Lockwood Hansen
12. Talisyn
"In this heartwarming, post-Mother’s Day episode of Lost..."

Yes, exactly. Too funny!
Dave Thompson
13. DKT
Jimmy Kimmel has some fun with Jacob and MiB. Seriously funny stuff :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8JBYlNTf-Q

So great!!!
Theresa DeLucci
14. theresa_delucci
@11 I think when Jacob threw his brother in the water, it killed him and that turned the goodness dark and released the monster. But some clarification at the end would've been nice. I don't think the MIB was an evil man in life. Um, okay, he killed his adoptive mother, but she was a manipulative loon who killed all of the Others. From his point of view, it's easy to see how she kinda had it coming.

@Lily of the Valley and DKT

Didn't they see different kids though? They definitely looked different. Would've been more clear if they used the child actors from this episode.

Edit: @DKT That was hilarious! Damn, I love Titus Welliver.
WDHaw
15. makeda42
I want to call MiB "Esau" and be done with it. :-)

For a change, we got the conflict between Jacob and Esau told from Esau's POV. However, even though this Jacob is a man of the camps--he even weaves--he is unable to charm his mother. She loves the wild child in the family. Nevertheless, since I like stories that flip our expectations, I liked that aspect. The wheel--not so much.

Although, maybe that is why the mother loved him best. He was able to take a pedestrian idea from the refugees and see that it could be used in a different way. Clumsily done. We needed to see him to do in another context first so that we could believe it later.

If that's the case, Jack's the winner in this contest. The island will get the safe choice, not someone who makes wild leaps of logic or is impetuous. Jack makes the wrong choice, but he is predictable. A shame because I think Hurley has the empathy that Jacob grew into.
WDHaw
16. asotir
The way this episode unfolded seemed slow to me - the usual Lost pacing, for backstory. Here's what I much would have rather seen: a full-on debate between Locke-MiB and Jacob-via-Hurley! then we could have had the backstory and exposition given to us as conflict, an argument, a debate: who's right? Who was better? This could have been done in the same time frame, and the backstory then would be compressed by a few minutes, tightening the pace. As Locke-MiB moves in to make the kill...and Hurley pleads with him...!

I agree that the writers did a good job with mixing up our sympathies. I too felt closer to Nameless than to Jacob, that whiny little momma's boy. But placing this episode immediately after the episode these same writer-producers said would cement our feelings once and for all that MiB is evil, simply undoes what they just tried to do. Stupid.

I suppose that MiB became what Jacob told Ricardo was 'a malevolence' happened when his spirit merged with the Light Force to create smoke monster? This bit almost seemed like the origin of a really menacing comic book supervillain to me.

Allison Janney seemed miscast to me, too. Too modern. I'd have preferred a Greek, or Anna Magnani type: primitive Earth-goddess freakazoid. The only way Janney works for me is if she turns out to have come by 'an accident' through time, from the 20th century or even the future. With time travel in the series background, it would have been cool to add a time-paradox too: Locke-MiB does something that sends Claire back in time to be the Jacob-Nameless foster mother! Whoa, dude!

Anakin? Oh, that's not the reference I got: think more Romulus-Remus or Cain-Abel. Cain and Abel is probably what they are thinking of most, but you could take Allison Janney's crazy-mom as a wolf, after all.

What I disliked most about this episode was that the writers kicked the can down the road with their explanations. We were all primed to think of Jacob and Nameless as the original powers on the Island; so how did they get in touch with the power of the Island? Why, somebody else was there before them! It's like that old joke about the universe: 'It's turtles all the way down!' Not, indeed, satisfying.

They did one thing to make it clear to me why Locke-MiB can never leave the Island: because he's not a man any longer. He's not a man who can become the Smoke Monster, he's a Smoke Monster who can become a man.

Smoke must be MiB, by the way: remember Smoke-Locke saying that 'before I looked like this, I had a mother just like anybody else, and she was crazy.' That means he identifies himself as MiB, and not as Locke, even though before he had Nameless' shape, and now he has Locke's (and in between he had Isabella's and Christian's and who knows who else's). So this is how I took it: Nameless in dying rage took power from the Light -- too much power, just as his foster mom said all men want to do -- and became the Smoke Monster. This accords with lots of comic book heroes and villains; I'm not sure if there are primal myths that tell the same story, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Zed Lopez
17. ZedLopez
My half-baked theory is that in this episode we see what went fundamentally wrong with the Island. The Mom either could become the Smoke Monster or could command the Smoke Monster (seemingly the only way she could destroy the Frozen Wheel Chamber Mark I and the whole village overnight.) But she'd been doing this for who knows how long and was tired of life, so she summoned the ship with Jacob's birth mother and the Others, in the same way Jacob summoned the Black Rock (whatever way that is) to get candidates.

Jacob inherited all her powers in the ceremony (which perhaps is what rendered her mortal; the Man in Black might have been unable to kill her beforehand.) But then Jacob screwed everything up by throwing the Man in Black into the light, which somehow made the Smoke Monster autonomous (and imprinted with the Man in Black's memories, personality, and grudge) and split the Island guardian powers.

For the Island to be whole and healthy again, one of the candidates needs to not just become the new Jacob, but to become the new Smoke Monster (or at least end the Smoke Monster's autonomy and be able to command the Smoke Monster.)

The real mystery is why the skeletons still had any clothes left when the castaways found them. Who's been dressing them in the intervening (presumed) centuries? Or did the skeletons time travel? (Or just the clothes?)
WDHaw
18. MAKEDA42
All of the sites that I've seen say that Jacob is able to leave the island. Do we know that it is true? Or was the lighthouse his way of projecting himself into a location? Just asking.
Bridget McGovern
19. BMcGovern
@MAKEDA42 Hm. The fact that he was able to physically touch each of the candidates (and, for some reason, Kate) makes me think that Jacob was able to leave the Island, at least temporarily...thoughts?

In general, I keep wondering how this episode affects Jacob's whole "Island as hell-cork" explanation from "Ab Aeterno." Are we just supposed to assume that the (apparent) transformation of Nameless into the Smoke Monster changed the rules of the game from "Keep the Warm Glowing Warming Glow away from Humanity" to "Protect Humanity from the Big Bad"? Or was it just another lie/half-truth/misdirection?

@asotir Interesting reading. I totally agree that plot-wise, the ancient mythological connections resonate more strongly than George Lucas's update-via-Joseph Campbell-CliffsNotes mythos does. I think the Anakin references here and elsewhere have more to do with the episode's heavy reliance on child/teen actors than anything else...

@DKT: That link is great--totally hilarious...

@Talisyn Thanks :)
Zed Lopez
20. ZedLopez
Well, his touching people seems to have been an important part of the visits we've seen depicted (or not touching -- in Ilana's hospital room, he had gloves on.) So it'd seem he's tangibly present. If he's not actually leaving the Island, there's a hair-splitting difference between that and whatever it is he's really doing.
WDHaw
21. makeda42
I just wondered because we continue to get the notion that someone has to remain on the island as guardian. If he's leaving occasionally, then who is playing guardian when he leaves?

Logically, the idea that someone has to remain 'physically' on the island to contain evil is opposed Jacob's need to physically touch candidates. A touch just appears to be the easiest thing to fake.

But ZedLopez is correct. I am probably splitting hairs.

On another note, Jacob gets amazing little information from his mother as others have noted. During this entire episode, I was recalling the oft stated words that the Others were not the bad guys. I expected this episode to reveal that Jacob was actually the bad guy. I imagined the scream that would erupt if that were the case. The writers came close. Just imagine if Jacob has misunderstood his role on the island all of this time.

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