Lost Round Table: “The Package”

Thu
Apr 1 2010 1:44pm

Lost Round Table: “The Package”

Bridget McGovern, Rajan Khanna and Theresa DeLucci

Welcome back! Sorry to interrupt the April Foolery, but Lost is Serious Business...This week we officially kick off the last half of the final season with bloggers Rajan Khanna, Theresa DeLucci and Bridget McGovern. Join us as we delve deep into “The Package,” but be advised: “The Package” may contain spoilers and at least one exceedingly stubborn tomato. Also: sexy results.

Raj: First things first—Desmond! Finally. I’ve missed you, Desmond. It seems the people who guessed that he was in the locked room were right. Widmore seems back to being an interminable dick, but does he have the island’s best interests in mind? He wants to prevent Smocke from leaving, after all. Everyone, regardless of their overall motive, seems to have their own agenda. It’s no wonder that Sun flipped out—I, for one, understand her.

And then there’s the part where I worry some more. Because last night’s episode gave us very little in terms of the island mythos to chew on. We did learn a bit more about the candidates, if Smocke is to be believed. Kate apparently isn’t one any longer. But he needs those who are to leave the island if he wants to escape, too. Which echoes the previous idea that all of the Oceanic Six needed to come back for them to return. A message carried by the real Locke. So it seems that the mere presence of the candidates keeps Smocke on the island. Is that all Jacob was, then? The one dude who agreed to stick around for centuries to make sure Smocke didn’t leave?

The other thing I found interesting was what Widmore said (though again, we have to consider the veracity of the source). He said that if Smocke escaped the island, Sun, Ji Yeon, and Penny would cease to be. Not die, but cease to be. Could this be related to Earth-2? Of course we know Sun is in that universe, but Ji Yeon...well, that’s too depressing to consider. But is Penny alive in that universe? One would hope so that she and Desmond could be together. Ah, Desmond...

Speaking of Earth-2, I really liked the way that the Sayid’s story intertwined with Jin’s. So Jin and Sun are much happier in that timeline, if more secretive. But apparently for good reason. I was hoping that Sun would show up with the money from the bank and they’d run away and be together. But apparently that’s not to be. I wonder if their happy ending will be in Earth-1, so their Earth-2 fate is less sunny?

Oh, and what is up with the pockets of electromagnetic energy? We know they’re important, but what does Widmore plan to do? I guess we’ll have to wait. And nice callback to the subliminal room we saw before.

In the last round table I meant to include a comment to the effect that even though the word “Ab” was in the episode title, there was no one shirtless in the episode. Of course that was rectified this week. A coincidence that an episode with some of the most skin we’ve seen is called “The Package”?

Theresa: Can we refer to the sideways reality as The Universe Where Mikhail Has Two Eyes, please?

I did not like this episode. It had good moments, like Miles’ bacon grease burn on Hurley, Jack bringing Sun one stubborn tomato, and Jin seeing the picture of his daughter. But Sun forgetting how to speak English after getting bumped on the head? That was way over the soap opera line for me. That was completely silly. And why take away Sun’s voice now? And enough with the tease of keeping Jin and Sun apart. Two seasons and it’s like now they’re just making up ways to keep them apart until the finale. I’m quite sure I’ll still cry, but now I’m getting annoyed.

At least we got one reunion. I was so glad to see Desmond appear at the end of the episode, but, damn, I kind of wanted him to go on living happily ever after with Penny and their son. Now he’s back in danger on the Island. Nothing bad better happen to him or I will blow up my television. Raj, I like your point about everyone “ceasing to be” (like a parrot?) not being the same as dying. I think Smocke can make Earth-2 real. There has to be a choice involved. So much of this show is about free will vs. destiny.

Does anyone believe Widmore is a good guy? He may be against the MIB, but I don’t think he’s with Jacob either. Anyone who would threaten the romantic bliss of Desmond and Penny is automatically a bad person.

3 things I learned in tonight’s episode:
1) Sun has BOOBS. (Seriously, Lost? That was tacky as hell. I demand pointlessly shirtless Sawyer in compensation for that camera shot. Actually, Sawyer’s gotten a little paunchy. I demand more shirtless Jin. )
2) Some show called V has returned. Did you hear about that? Were you counting down the minutes until V returns? Was anyone? By choice, I mean.
3) Sayid makes a great buoy. I love Naveen Andrews, but even when he is playing at no emotion (neat plot point,) he looks more like he’s playing... well, a bit slow, to be honest.

Bridget: I should probably admit straight away that Sun and Jin are the major characters that I care least about. They’re very sweet, but in the grand scheme of things, not very intriguing, and I really didn’t need another episode rehashing their star-crossed lovin’ in both available realities. It felt like an ill-advised mash-up of a Nicholas Sparks novel and a Tarantino film, at points. And then Sun got whacked on the head and lost the ability to speak English…really, Lost?! Really???

I love the soap opera-esque aspects of Lost as much as anyone, but after last week’s flirtation with telenovela territory, I’m wondering if the writers need to be reminded that this is not an Agnes Nixon joint. I mean, even Sun’s big seduction scene played out like a sexified version of Mr. Rogers’ patented taking-off-his-cardigan routine…Having said that, I agree with Raj that it’s great to have Desmond back (and like Theresa, I loved soulless Sayid in this episode, especially when he went all Apocalypse Now at the end).

Furthermore, I’m growing more and more intrigued by what rules apply to the Man in Black. What’s the deal with the pylons, for example? And why can he leave the main island in Locke-form, but not as smoke? Also, who killed the Ajira passengers? Are we supposed to assume it was Widmore’s people?

On that front, I have to say that I am not feeling Sheila Kelley as Zoe, the geophysicist-not-a-mercenary. I was a little too young for L.A. Law, so I mainly know her as a fervent proponent of using stripper poles as exercise equipment. Put that together with the fact that her glasses force me to refer to her as “the Sarah Palin of Hydra Island,” and it all adds up to me wondering why no one has been killed with a flaming arrow yet this season. I believe I have a candidate of my own.

All in all, “The Package” had its moments (Sawyer and Lapidus got at least one great, eye-rolling line apiece, and I still kinda like Keamy’s hammy/creepy Walken impression, although paraphrasing Woody Allen’s “the heart wants what it wants” line was a weird move), but it ultimately felt anticlimactic. A lot of helpful breadcrumbs were dropped along the way, however (and one stubborn tomato/awkward metaphor), so hopefully we’ll pick up momentum again next week...and if we do have to deal with another love story, let’s hope it’s Desmond and Penny, this time. Those two crazy kids know how to keep things interesting...

Agree? Disagree? Something to add? Please chime in below, after the following Lost-related link-fest:

• The official rosters of Team Jacob and Team Smokey, via the wonderful Fuckyeahlost.com

• The Lost credits get a classic, Saul Bass-style makeover

• Oprah.com takes a long, lingering look at Sawyer's bookshelf. Back off, Oprah.

• The Singing Journal of Daniel Faraday fills you in on everything you need to know about the show

• Lost bobbleheads? Sure, why not...

• Bonus: When Lost met Buffy (because there’s always room for Nerf Herder).

Theresa DeLucci is a graduate of the 2008 Clarion West Writers Workshop. Her fiction has appeared in Chizine. She’s eagerly awaiting the return of True Blood. Well not so much the whole show, but at least Alexander Skarsgård in a tank top

Rajan Khanna is a graduate of the 2008 Clarion West Writers Workshop and his fiction has appeared in Shimmer magazine. He lives in Brooklyn with his two cats, Chloe and Muppet.

Bridget McGovern is a lit nerd, a film geek, and a complete pop culture junkie. She enjoys David Bowie, roller coasters, and that sexy Fred Rogers more than anyone probably should.

Lost | Tv | Package | Sun | Jin | the heart wants what the heart wants | the heart wants bacon grease

1. R.Fife

view all by R.Fife | Thursday April 01, 2010 01:57pm EDT

About the only thing I am enjoying about the sideways stuff is getting more of the freaky, semi-short-lived characters like Keamy. Hopefully we get a few more "meanwhile and a bit agos" with him, although I somehow doubt it.

On this episode, yeah, not much of a fan. Although, for as much of a dick as Widmore is, I think he is starting to turn into an anti-hero. Also, now I am never going to be able to see Zoe without wondering if she can see Russia from her island. Thanks! And I totally agree, why the heck did Sun have to go soap-opera illness? I am trying to tell myself they actually have a reason for the "fluff/filler" of the sideways, but I'm starting to wonder if even Shyamalan will be able to pull this back together.

To the small gravy-drippings they gave us over the mythos, I am interested to see if they are going to try and swing this back to SciFi with Zoe and the EM-pockets. And the candidates "hint" from Smocke I am more or less discounting aside from he needs to have all 6 of them with him to get off the Island. Even then, recall he told Jacob that he'd just kill any replacements, so perhaps it isn't a desire to get off with them. Maybe he is wanting to coral them somewhere that he can arrange for them all to die at once.

2. ecthelion

Thursday April 01, 2010 02:05pm EDT

the best part of this "Lost Round Table" post is the links provided at the end. Pretty shallow commentary otherwise.

3. rajanyk

view all by rajanyk | Thursday April 01, 2010 02:48pm EDT

@2 - Hey, ecthelion. Sorry that you weren't impressed. But one of the things we hope to accomplish with these round tables is to start a discussion. So please feel free to jump in with your own thoughts and commentary about the episode.

4. BMcGovern

view all by BMcGovern | Thursday April 01, 2010 02:49pm EDT

@RFife: Loved the Shyamalan post :) I'm with you on the candidates--given his conversation with Jacob, I've been operating under the assumption that the MiB is more likely to murder the candidates rather than help them escape, but the rules governing his behavior seem to get more complicated by the episode. Which leads me back to the strange blonde boy in "The Substitute"--we know at least that Smocke can't kill Sawyer. Still wondering if all the candidates are protected (and *how,* exactly). I hope we'll continue to learn more about "the rules" in upcoming episodes, rather than having to wait for the big Mythology Reveal in Episode 15.

Also, I meant to add this to the main post, but fellow blogger Steven Padnick sent us a link to Will Pfeifer's X-Ray Spex blog...he's got a really interesting take on the whole evil wine/hell cork concept, and a theory about how the two realities will eventually come together. Worth checking out.

5. KiraW

Thursday April 01, 2010 03:11pm EDT

I didn't think the commentary was shallow! Especially considering what this week gave them to work with.

I, too, was glad to see Desmond back, but it seriously took me and my friends a few seconds to figure out it was him he looked so awful. I think sometimes I like the flash-forwards-sideways-backwards-what-have-yous just because most people are clean. Although I do appreciate that this season, everyone looks at least a little bit of a mess considering they're living on a tropical island without consistent shelter/supplies.

Theresa and Bridget, I was also really annoyed at the plot twist of Sun losing the ability to speak English. And Jack just being like "yeah, well, this happens. totally diagnosing this as some rare neurological fluke." It sounded like his lines were written by someone who spent a bit of time on Wed M.D.

Overall, the langauge issue on this show has generally bothered me, because it feels like, at times, subtitles are used to remind us "hey! this character is different and mysterious!" Although, I do generally like that Lost had a diverse cast and that not everyone automatically speaks in English.

I like Jin and Sun, but even they couldn't make this episode more interesting. I've always been one who watches more for the character reveals and mysteries in the sideways-story format than the mythology of the island. I hope the two-hour ending (did anyone else notice it suddenly seemed like there were less episodes left and check this?) will be fast-paced, with everything possible getting crammed in, instead of artsy and snooze-y.

6. madogvelkor

view all by madogvelkor | Thursday April 01, 2010 03:25pm EDT

One thing I've noticed over and over is that the character's lives in Earth-2, where they never went to the Island, are really not that great. On the surface things look better but then underneath they are often just as bad or worse. The only people who are better off, I suppose, are those who died on the Island but not in Earth-2.

Kate is still a fugitive, and captured. Locke is still crippled and bitter. Sayid is still separated from the woman he loves and forced to kill and hurt people. Jin and Sun can't be together and Sun's dad wants to kill Jin and Sun gets shot and probably loses their baby. Sawyer/Ford is still driven by his obsession with finding the man responsible for his parents' deaths to the point of nearly alienating everyone. Rose is still dying of cancer. Ben is in a dead-end job and never had a moment to shine, though he is perhaps a nicer person.

Jack is alone, though his story is perhaps moving in a better direction than the others.

We still haven't seen Hurley, and he seems to be doing well. Perhaps that is a lie too.

7. Talisyn

view all by Talisyn | Thursday April 01, 2010 03:51pm EDT

Loved seeing Desmond back. I just hope we get to see Daniel Faraday again, too.

Regarding the ultimate Candidate? It seems to be kind of a booby prize anyway... Tasked with keeping the evil genie corked up on the island, and stuck playing games with white and black rocks for all eternity... :-)

8. rajanyk

view all by rajanyk | Thursday April 01, 2010 04:01pm EDT

I'd love to see Faraday, too. Though I expect that will be in Earth-2.

It seems that regarding the Candidacy, Jack is the only one that seems to want it. Sun, Jin and Sawyer want to get the hell off the island. Sayid is broken. Hurley seems to be embracing his role, but as people said, he's more of the advisor right now.

@6 - I don't know that I feel the way you do about Locke. He is bitter, yes, but he has Helen in that world and I feel like her role is to help heal him, at least of his inner pain and bitterness. As much as I loved Original Locke, he ran away a lot. And as much as he was a man of faith, it wavered constantly. Helen seems to be a stabilizing influence on him.

Anyway, I just didn't feel that things were that bad on Earth-2 until this most recent episode.

@4 - Great link Bridget. I would be perfectly happy with that kind of situation in the end.

9. Alfvaen

Thursday April 01, 2010 04:20pm EDT

I've kind of lost track of this, but...how many of the six candidates made it off the island? Obviously Jin (if it is Jin) and Sawyer didn't, but Jack, Hurley, Sun and Sayid did, and so did Locke, later. If all six had made it off back then, would Smocke have been free to leave the island at that point? (It would have been dramatic if it was only Sawyer's self-sacrifice that had kept that from happening.)

The fact that Sun was referred to as "Paik" at the hotel made me think it was indeed Jin who was the candidate. Unless there was a clear sign that "Paik" had been erased and replaced with "Kwon" after she got married. Because how long has that list been up there? Jacob's been gathering them in for decades now, and if the numbers are at all related to the candidate list, as they seem to be, then they were winnowed down to six a long time ago. Unless the numbers were transported back in time from the future.

I haven't checked, but if there isn't a "Pregnant Women Shot In Belly" page on TV Tropes, there should be. Srsly. This isn't even the first time they've used it on Lost--remember Ana Lucia? (sp?)

10. DKT

view all by DKT | Thursday April 01, 2010 04:55pm EDT

Maybe I'm just optimistic, but...I'm not sure the language thing was simply a soap-opera ploy (although I can certainly see why people felt that).

Keep in mind, though, that Sun learned English from the dude she had an affair with. In sidewaysville, she does not know English (presumably because she and Jin are relatively happy, despite their relationship being a secret). So I'm kind of wondering if there's something more to it than that. Also, I really dig that both Sun and Jin bashed their heads on something - Sun on the island, Jin in the freezer.

I agree seeing Desmond back was wonderful yet terrifying (he better not die!!!) and also, I could do with Keamy coming back again to get shot yet again. I liked seeing him and Mikhail.

I also thought it was fascinating how surprised and pissed off Flocke was when he found out his group had been attacked, and Jin was snatched. No, this monster definitely has limits.

Any my personal favorite exchange of the night was when Ben asked, "Why don't you believe me?" And Ilana replied, "Because you're speaking." Awesomeness.

11. theresa_delucci

view all by theresa_delucci | Thursday April 01, 2010 04:57pm EDT

After Tuesday's ending I wondered wouldn't it be crazy if they just started killing people off left and right in both universes? Like, we'll have to watch Earth-2 Jin and Sun meet a tragic end, but in Earth-1, they get a happy ending. Locke is dead on Earth-1, but in Earth-2 he stays with Helen and gets healed. (Raj, I'm with you. Locke seems pretty bitter about his legs, but Helen mitigates that feeling and I think can ultimately help him feel better.) Sayid may die on the Island, but his Earth-2 counterpart gets Nadia.

Earth-2 seems as real as Earth-1, but not as "true." Things in that universe, going by tiny clues, mostly in Jack's episodes this season, seem artificially constructed to make the inhabitants think of it as real. I've been wishing the sideways universe would have more characters realizing something's slightly off, like Jack asking his mom about his appendectomy scar. And then, through interactions with more 815 passengers, band together to realize the existence of Earth-1. This season hasn't gone in that direction at all and I'm a bit let down by that. I loved the clear purpose of the Oceanic 6 storyline in season 4.

Having two equally real, identical versions of each character reminds me of when (Farscape season 3 spoilers) a character was cloned and one copy went on one ship and the other went on a different adventure. When one copy eventually died, it wasn't any less sad - it was just as real of a character as the original. But we had the other backup version so the show went on.

One more thing: I'm glad Desmond's back, and I'm glad it wasn't Aaron on the sub, but what if it was Walt? Should I just forget that Walt was special? They're never going to mention that again, are they? I was expecting him to show up at Earth-2 school with Locke, Artz, and Ben. But hopefully, with Desmond's return, we can find out why some people were on the plane and some weren't.

12. DKT

view all by DKT | Thursday April 01, 2010 05:22pm EDT

I don't know if we'll actually see Walt again (and probably not in Earth2 because of the actor's age), but I feel like I heard somewhere that how special he is would be discussed.

I thought he was going to be in the locker, too, which would've been awesome. And I still kind of wish he was a Candidate.

13. alfoss1540

view all by alfoss1540 | Thursday April 01, 2010 07:24pm EDT

Brigit - Pylons - like around the post-dharma compound that Emit Skull crushing sounds to anyone unprotected - and apparently not too kindly to Smocke.

Dead people from the airplane - I assume they died pre-widmore arrival and Smocke came over in smoke form to do it. Now that they have the pylons, he cannot. Since Smocke cannoe bring the 6 candidates over in smoke form, he has to get them all to do it corporeally - and willingly - and blindly as well, can any of them be that stupid?

14. relogical

view all by relogical | Thursday April 01, 2010 11:14pm EDT

Come on, it's April Fool's Day! Why aren't you recapping the best episode this show ever had, the legendary "Wrestling With Angels"?

15. rogerothornhill

view all by rogerothornhill | Friday April 02, 2010 02:57am EDT

Sheila Kelley also did some fun indie movies in the 80s (not as much as Jeff Fahey but still) and deserves to be subsumed into Palinness almost as little as Tina Fey does.

My guess is the candidates have to kill each other. If no one's left standing, MiB can leave.

Who's left for sideways? Desmond, Hurley, the promised Jacob/MiB prequel--that leaves two episodes unaccounted for?

Finally, in all seriousness, can Jack get a little credit here for being less annoying this season? He's purged most of his bad qualities but kept most of his good ones--unless anyone out there thinks earnestness is an inherently bad quality . . .

16. asotir

Friday April 02, 2010 08:20am EDT

I am tired, tired, tired of the sideways earth. I gave up thinking it had anything to do with the real story; it's just a way to lower budget costs with in-studio shooting. blech.

Another bad feeling this episode gives me is confirming that 'the writers can do whatever they want without regard for consistency or logic' -- after Jacob's bodyguards ran into the foot-temple, one succeeded in surrounding himself with the magical ashes; Smocke was able to smash beside the man, so he fell out of the circle and was killed. Now Smocke seems baffled by the pylons, but what's to prevent him from digging up a big boulder from the sea and tossing it at a pylon, smashing it, breaking that circle? Nothing except that the writers don't want that to happen yet.

I agree that Sun losing her voice was tired, awkward, and the cute moment of Jack handing her the pad of paper (an obvious solution; she might as well have scratched words in the beach sand) was insufferable. Why didn't she just slap his silly face? They better come up with a darned good plot-reason later on for this. The only bonus of it: she got to go ballistic with a big speech in Korean. I relished all the foul curse words she might have been saying, untranslated in the subtitles!

--- asotir

17. rajanyk

view all by rajanyk | Friday April 02, 2010 08:35am EDT

I like the idea of Earth-2 Sun bleeding into Earth-1 and being the real reason for the language aphasia. I agree that it seemed too soap opera-y. But my original take was that it was really nothing more than an attempt to mirror the first season as they seem to be doing quite a bit. In the first season Sun could speak English, but Jin couldn't. Now, in this latest episode, the situation is reversed. Now granted, that should mean something. But that was my first take on why they went that way.

18. R.Fife

view all by R.Fife | Friday April 02, 2010 08:43am EDT

@16 I am stubbornly believeing that sideways Earth is important to whatever they are building up to. After all, Juliet had to have her big "It worked" moment (posthumously, but still). They will somehow tie Earth-2 (which, I might add, is 3 years and some change lagging Earth-1), to the conclusion. I will say that thus far I've been pretty happy with the handling of Time Travel with exception of Eloise and Desmond-unstuck-in-time scene(how the snot does she know so much? Deus Ex Oldlady-a?), but otherwise, well handled, so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they will figure out a satisfying way to re-merge the split timelines.

I think Smocke is not attacking the Pylons for his character reasons. Bit of a psycho-analysis here, but while Smocke has complete disdain and contempt for humanity, I think he views himself as superior, and he is trying to prove it. Yes, he sometimes slips and goes on a killing spree, but he is trying, somehow, to be the "compassionate leader" despite his evilness. Grudge match against Jacob, perhaps? Of course, trying to be the "good guy" to prove you can do it better is ye old "Road to Hell paved in Good Intentions," eh?

And another thought, while Widmore said that if Smocke escapes, the outside world (or at least certain people in it), also remember that he claims that he knows very little solid fact about what Smocke is. Which I have a feeling that everyone is that way, even Richard. Jacob was not very sharing with the information. So, perhaps Smocke escaping the Island is not "the absolute end of the world," but instead just some massive change to it, as we are seeing in Earth-2.

19. R.Fife

view all by R.Fife | Friday April 02, 2010 11:31am EDT

Additional thought after talking to my co-worker: What if Widmore on the Earth-1 Island is from Earth-2? Sun could be dying, and Widmore's Earth-2 life could be re-arranged that Penny was never born. Thus, his statement that if Smocke gets off the Island and Earth-2 becomes permanent, Sun, Ji-yeon, and Penny will cease to exist. In fact, I don't think Earth-1 is around. Which means we saw Earth-2 Desmond, not Earth-1. BUT... something about Widmore, perhaps that he was from the pre-1970s Island as an Other, and was even there during the Jughead explosion (sorta), means that he knows about the now non-existant Earth-1.

So, right now, it comes down to: if Smocke gets off, Earth-2 becomes permanent. If a new Jacob is installed, then Earth-2 goes poof and Earth-1 returns.

20. rajanyk

view all by rajanyk | Friday April 02, 2010 02:26pm EDT

@19 - But really what's so bad about Earth-2? I mean it's worse for some people. Especially for Jin if Sun dies. But for Jack? For Locke? For Sawyer? If that's all this is about, that seems pretty weak. Unless, as in Bridget's link above, there is an "evil" yet to come in Earth-2. But that would require a lot of setting up in a short amount of time.

21. R.Fife

view all by R.Fife | Friday April 02, 2010 06:08pm EDT

@20 Agreed, unless the evil yet to be revealed /is/ the release of Smocke from the Island. So perhaps it is a general sacrifice, the "Better" world is sacrificed by keeping Smocke on the Island and somehow "negating" the Jughead explosion. At the same time, that seems rather weak, cause unless the characters are bleeding into each other across the Earth's, then why would it be a sacrifice at all for the Candidates on the Island? They have no clue what they are missing.

22. JennB

view all by JennB | Friday April 02, 2010 08:09pm EDT

I thought Widmore killed all the people on Hydra Island. I still think he's a bad guy.

I was wondering if Jin's father-in-law in season 1 sent him to America with the watch for the same reason as in the sideverse.

I was actually pleased that Sun called him on the button thing, though what came after may have distracted him from her point.

My husband pointed out that it would be pretty easy to just push one of the pilons over to disrupt the perimeter fence. I was wondering why the smoke monster couldn't just go over them. They are pretty short.

23. BMcGovern

view all by BMcGovern | Saturday April 03, 2010 02:24pm EDT

@KiraW (#5), DKT (#10) and asotir (#16): I'm also hoping that Sun's sudden selective "aphasia" ends up developing into a meaningful plot point. Generally speaking, there's an interesting paper to be written on the role of language in Lost, especially given the fact that language is used to mislead or obscure meaning as often as it is to communicate in earnest.

Translation (from Korean, French, Japanese, Latin, etc...not to mention speaking for the dead, as Miles and Hurley do) has been a major theme of the show, complicating an already daunting snarl of lies, half-truths and misunderstanding. As DKT mentions, Ilana assumes Ben may be lying just because he's speaking (great line, indeed)--and Ben's hardly the only character who can't be trusted, even when everyone speaks the same language. Clearly, the show has great writers, and I fully trust that they know what they're doing; I just wish that Sun's head bump hadn't felt like something stolen from an old episode of Dynasty (although I am always open to more catfights. And a Joan Collins cameo).

@rogerothornhill: If it makes you feel any better, we've also been referring to Zoe as "Evil Liz Lemon"...which I suppose would make Charles Widmore an *even more evil* Jack Donaghy. Fun. But if I tune in next week and Zoe's working the pylons in stripper heels, I am OUT.

24. rogerothornhill

view all by rogerothornhill | Thursday April 08, 2010 04:02pm EDT

Evil Liz Lemon is one heck of a great pitch for a sweeps episode, kind of like when Teri Hatcher's Lois Lane got hit on the head and became a surprisingly good noirish torch singer. Storm Broadway Video with this idea now before someone else reading this site steals it.

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