Mar 1 2010 6:00am

GGG#009: Vampires! Werewolves! Unicorns! (Guest: Carrie Vaughn)

Carrie Vaughn, bestselling author of the best-selling Kitty Norville series, joins us to talk about werewolves, heroines, Wild Cards, and other things. Dave and John talk about some of their favorite werewolves and vampires.



0:00 Introduction by

0:37 Dave and John introduce the show

Interview: Carrie Vaughn

Carrie Vaughn01:49 Interview begins

02:03 Ray Bradbury and the taste of shoes

03:40 Kitty Norville’s emergence in short fiction, and how Carrie accidentally became a novelist

06:29 A werewolf named Kitty

08:02 Exploring political themes through judicious use of snark

09:00 Dr. Laura just doesn’t have the experience for this sort of thing

09:35 Guns and horses: Carrie knows one of these very well

11:14 Carrie knows what’s up: Unicorn fiction! Read her short story “A Hunter’s Ode to His Bait

12:35 Carrie weighs in on Twilight and tells us about her new YA book Voices of Dragons

13:56 More on Voices of Dragons: dragons, rock-climbing, jet fighters and boyfriend trouble!

14:42 About the Odyssey Writers Workshop and grad school

18:04 On university creative writing courses

19:41 Working on George R.R. Martin’s Wild Cards series

21:47 The resemblance between Carrie and Kitty, and the art of Craig White

22:32 Carrie helps John with his werewolf troubles, and explains how Kitty became a romance character

24:31 Kitty’s future

25:35 Judging the series by the ending

26:59 Lois McMaster Bujold’s books as an example of how to do a series right

27:43 Who’s not worthy? On being blurbed by Gene Wolf

28:45 What’s coming up for Carrie: Voices of Dragons in March, Kitty Goes to War late June or early July, Discord’s Apple, a short story in the Warriors anthology from Tor, and Realms of Fantasy has her short story “Just Another Word”

30:19 End of interview

Dave and John talk about vampirism and lycanthropy

30:19 Knowing there’s something to fear

Kitty Norville32:26 The most famous vampire of all and the red-headed Irish theater manager who created him

36:40 Different takes on the vampire mythology, and some of John and Dave’s early vampiric memories

46:11 The Impaler documentary, and what’s scarier: vampires, or people who think they are vampires?

47:56 Rules for vampires and other horrors, and the zombie vs. vampire battle over I Am Legend

49:42 Werewolves, David Wellington’s Frostbite, the great Horror Trifecta, and universes in which they’re all real

52:32 Some of Dave and John’s favorites: “Gestella” by Susan Palwick, found in the Starlight 3 anthology; George R.R. Martin’s “The Skin Trade,” and “In the Lost Lands” which will appear in John’s The Way of the Wizard anthology

54:21 The upcoming Ekatarina Sedia anthology Running With the Pack; some favorites from John’s anthology By Blood We Live, and short film Treevenge. The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction has “Blue Fire” by Bruce McAllister

01:01:28 Show wrap-up

Next week: Tom Rogers, author of Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics

Thanks for listening!

John Joseph Adams ( is an anthologist, a writer, and a geek. He is the editor of the anthologies By Blood We Live, Federations, The Improbable Adventures of Sherlock Holmes, The Living Dead (a World Fantasy Award finalist), Seeds of Change, and Wastelands: Stories of the Apocalypse. He is currently assembling several other anthologies, including Brave New Worlds, The Living Dead 2, The Mad Scientistís Guide to World Domination, and The Way of the Wizard. He worked for more than eight years as an editor at The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, and is currently the fiction editor of Lightspeed Magazine, which launches in June 2010.

David Barr Kirtley ( is a writer living in New York who has been called “one of the newest and freshest voices in sf.” His short fiction appears in magazines such as Realms of Fantasy and Weird Tales, and in anthologies such as The Living Dead, New Voices in Science Fiction, and Fantasy: The Best of the Year, 2008 Edition.

Show notes compiled by podtern Christie Yant. Friend us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter.

I don't know what it is about this podcast... ok well maybe I do, but I cannot bear to listen. I cannot stand the way the podcaster's voice, I assume its John, constantly inflects upward at the end of every single sentence. Not only that but the constant "hehs" and "hunhs" from the other podcaster drives me insane.
Charles Tan
2. charlesatan
But we like the show! Honestly, accents and side comments from the podcast are welcome (they're not robots after all).
Joshua Evans
3. JoshuaEvans
This was a good show, but not as exciting as the others. I'm kind of meh on the whole vampire thing. Though there is definitely a lack of good werewolf stuff. Everyone always wants to do vampires. I'd heard of the Kitty books before, maybe I'll have to check them out. But hey, gave me a great idea for a werewolf story, so who knows :)

Only complaint with sound/quality of the podcast is I think sometimes John's voice sounds a bit "tinny". Maybe a microphone thing. David and John aren't recording in the same location, right? David always sounds very clear, sometimes John sounds like he's recording in a tiny box somewhere.

Keep the shows coming guys!
David Barr Kirtley
4. davidbarrkirtley
John actually does live inside a tiny box, so that's probably why it sounds that way. So everyone buy his anthologies, and maybe then he could afford to move into a slightly larger box with better acoustics.
Joshua Evans
5. JoshuaEvans
haha, maybe you can let him crash on your floor sometime then :P Time to go pick up Wasteland!
David Barr Kirtley
6. davidbarrkirtley
Ha. No seriously, we have the exact same microphone, so that's not it. I do all the editing on the show, and I generally use my version of the recording, so John's audio has to come over the internet (like the guest) and mine doesn't, which does seem to affect the quality if the connection is sluggish. Not sure if there's really anything we can do about that. I was having tons of problems with my ISP in California. I'm back home in New York now, with a different ISP, so maybe that'll be an improvement.
Joshua Evans
7. JoshuaEvans
It's cool, I'll listen next week either way :) You're probably right, just an issue with going over the internet. Still awesome that you two can collaborate this way (over the internet).
David Barr Kirtley
8. davidbarrkirtley
I guess I should add that we've been recording the show a few weeks ahead of the air date, so any potential improvement in sound quality wouldn't be showing up for a few weeks anyway.
Theresa M. Moore
9. TheresaMMoore
I listened to most of the commentary in addition to the interview, and Carrie is me about 30 years ago. Same basic literary rejection of SF/F as actual literature. I find it contradictory in that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein is considered classic literature as well as Dracula. As to the discussion about vampires, the reflection in the mirror thing has been largely dismissed as cliche'. No one uses it anymore, since it represents a fundamental violation of the laws of physics. In my Children of The Dragon series of books all my vampires are also aliens, so I can get away with all sorts of things, but they do have most of the primary physical characteristics. In my seventh book VIRUS I even make fun of it when one of my characters says of his teeth: "I can even talk like this." But I frequently puzzle over the idea that a vampire should be killed with a stake through the heart. The fact is that anyone can be killed that way. Oh, well. I enjoyed the podcast and will probably listen next week if I have time.

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