Thu
Mar 11 2010 4:16pm
Lost Round Table: “Dr. Linus”

Welcome back to another installment of our weekly round table discussion featuring bloggers Bridget McGovern, Theresa DeLucci, and Rajan Khanna. Be warned: spoilers AND Shakespeare references await you past the jump.  Let’s discuss...

Raj: Maybe it’s just me, but I wanted someone to hug Ben at the end. I was disappointed that up until now we didn’t get much of him in the show, apart from his great eulogy for Locke. The thing is, I understand why he stabbed Jacob. And I understand his remorse. What we had in this episode was two of the most ardent supporters of the island and Jacob, Richard and Ben, show how they lost their faith in Jacob and his plan. It’s hard not to think of Job and his test of faith. And in both cases, it took the examples of others, their faith, to help bring them back from the brink. I found myself missing the real Locke, the original man of Faith, though it’s also interesting to see how Jack has made his own journey to that side of the spectrum.

I have to admit, too, that I’m happy to see Jack finally embracing whatever “destiny” he’s supposed to have. I guess Jacob’s plan worked and the lighthouse did set him on the right path, presumably as the lead candidate. Richard is already willing to follow him, and now that he’s with Jacob’s people, I expect he’ll take on a leadership role. Though I’m eager to see how Ben muddies those waters.

Most fascinating for me, though, were the revelations, slim as they were, about Richard. So it appears he did come to the island on the Black Rock. And Jacob’s touch made him immortal. Does that mean that all the people we saw Jacob touch are as well? Does that mean that Jacob touched Michael? He wasn’t able to die until the island was done with him. Though it was Christian that appeared to him in the end. And he’s apparently on Smocke’s side. Hmmm...

The other revelation of note was that there was an island and a Dharma Initiative in Earth-2, but that Ben and his dad (and presumably others) left before the events that happened on Earth-1. Of course that means that Earth-2 is just awash with coincidences. Like Alex ending up in Ben’s class — does that mean that Rousseau the elder got off the island, too? Or did Ben still steal her? I’m wondering if and how that timeline will make sense.

One last note — I saw a performance of Shakespeare’s The Tempest tonight, about characters who are shipwrecked on an island, and a man, Prospero, who not only causes the shipwreck that brings new people to the island, but who also then manipulates those people with his magical powers. Of particular note to me was the character of Caliban, who is Prospero’s servant (or slave) and who plots to overthrow his master and escape his captivity. I see a strong parallel to Smocke. But does that make Jacob Prospero or Ariel? There’s certainly a reference in the show, since one of the Dharma stations was called The Tempest.

Theresa: So, is this really the redemption of Benjamin Linus? What a well-done episode. I disagree with some of the critics who say the sideways universe is a lot of wheel-spinning. The alternate reality is about realizing what the people on the Island are capable of. Ben seems to have an innate need for power and respect, if we’re to judge his jockeying for power at his high school. I think this episode used the alternate universe to highlight the character’s free will better than any other episode. It was so unexpected when Ilana had her change of heart. And Ben chose her camp over Locke’s. This close to the end, I hope Ben can become a true good guy. But what fun would that be?

And Richard. What a tease. I agree Raj. Ben and Richard were tested by Jacob. I’m worried about Richard. I think his role will be replaced too and he’ll be released from his mortality. But after so long on Craphole Island, I imagine any soul would be tired. But who will bear the burden of being the new force of Good’s messenger. If Jack is the new Jacob, then Hurley will be the new Richard. And Richard seems like a very unhappy man. But at least he’s not a cyborg.

Lastly, who else busted out laughing at the jarring shift in mood, from “Aw, someone hug Ben he looks so lon— James Bond music and periscope out of nowhere!!!” That was just ludicrous. But I can’t tell if it was ludicrous in an awesome way or a bad way. Mr. Van Peebles, why did you film it that way?

Bridget: This episode was Lost at its absolute best. Ben Linus has always been one of the show’s strongest, most versatile and intriguing characters, and I think the split-reality premise finally hit its stride this week, offering an alternate version of Ben’s life that was just as compelling as the heavy-hitting Island action, in spite of its mundane setting. The whole episode was so exquisitely structured, replete with entertaining callbacks and significant echoes, ironies piled high on every side. And as the whole virtuoso performance unfolded we actually got some solid answers along the way. At long last, I finally feel like I’m starting to smell what the Black Rock is cookin’. Besides dynamite.

As with most of the post-LAX reality storylines, the off-Island premise seemed slightly contrived, but the writers did a fantastic job of playing with our expectations and keeping things a little off-kilter. The scene with Roger Linus, for example, seemed so surreal; as Ben changes his father’s oxygen tanks, it was impossible not to recall the gas cartridges used to kill his Roger (and the rest of the Dharma Initiative) in a different version of the past, and the connection gave the whole scene a surprising amount of emotional impact. I agree with Theresa—the entire episode was just brilliantly crafted.

I expected a certain level of snark this week, so the characterization of Ben as would-be Machiavelli in a sweater vest was unsurprising, but I didn’t anticipate how easily he’d fit into the role of frustrated idealist and genuinely decent man, or how well that characterization would be reflected in the events unfolding on the Island. The fact that Ben, warped and regretful as he is, still can show restraint and still has the capacity to be humbled by a gracious gesture on the part of Ilana points toward the possibility of redemption, even at this late hour. Meanwhile, I’m also rather pleased that Jack has been (re)converted to Team Jacob, with all of the fervor of a Born Again—though Hurley’s suddenly stuck playing the Cowardly Lion again (even so, his Terminator/cyborg/vampire riff was pure awesome).

Miles continues to be my hero—he actually made the über-lame Paolo and Nikki episode pay off at long last, and gets triple bonus points for using the word “jabonies” (speaking of which, WHERE THE HELL IS SAWYER?). Smocke’s comment about there being six candidates left was intriguing—if we’re going by the cave, the only names uncrossed are Kwon, Shephard, Reyes, Ford, and Jarrah, right? Is Sayid still a candidate? Are both Kwons in the running? Is it weird that Charles Widmore reminds me of a Batman villain even more now that he’s got an evil submarine? Why is Arzt so freaking annoying? As for Danielle Rousseau, I’m guessing she’s alive and well in Dr. Ben’s reality, since Alex mentions her working two jobs—I didn’t get the sense that there was any prior connection there, but who knows?

And here are some more Lost links for your enjoyment. Don’t forget to sound off on this episode with your own thoughts and theories in the comments. 

365 Days of Lost Fan Art

• A Lost-meets-Baywatch credit sequence

• Lostpedia’s impressive, exhaustive-as-possible Candidate list, which seems like essential geek reference material

• The five best Lost-inspired parodies on YouTube (according to Gunaxin.com)

• Anthony Clark’s spoiler-free “Lost spoilers” (via ComicsAlliance)


Theresa DeLucci is a graduate of the 2008 Clarion West Writers Workshop. Her fiction has appeared in Chizine. She is fully supportive of a Miles/Hurley spinoff show.

Rajan Khanna is a graduate of the 2008 Clarion West Writers Workshop and his fiction has appeared in Shimmer Magazine. He lives in Brooklyn with his two cats, Chloe and Muppet.

Bridget McGovern is a lit nerd, a film geek, and a complete pop culture junkie. She enjoys David Bowie, roller coasters, and the term “jabonies” more than anyone probably should.

12 comments
Pablo Defendini
1. pablodefendini
Glad I wasn't the only one who got a big The Tempest vibe... agreed, great ep—top form.
Theresa DeLucci
2. theresa_delucci
Heads up - not sure I know who next week's episode centers around, but the episode we've been waiting seasons and season for - Richard Alpert's episode -- is set to air 3/23. Get your kohl pencils ready!
Jeff Soesbe (yeff)
3. Jeff Soesbe (yeff)
Random note re: Rousseau - if we take "Island goes boom" as a big divergence point (though not the only), then Rousseau's research never became stranded on island as island went boom in 1977 and they didn't hit the island until late 80s / early 90s (based on Alex's age).

The Tempest link is a good one, one that I might have heard in a past Damon/Carlton podcast. Another link is to THE STAND, which they both have said they really love.

Agreed, a really nice episode, and I agree with the opinion that the Sideways Timeline events really linked up well with the PlaneCrash Timeline events. It was all about choices, and the choices characters make and why they make those choices.

- yeff
Jennifer B
4. JennB
This was the best episode for the alternate reality. I think that Ben's improved relationship with his father stems from him seeing his father's concern for him after Sayid shot him. He was able to see that underneath all that resentment, his father really did love him.
Jeff Soesbe (yeff)
5. dallen
One thread in this episode I really liked was when Miles told Ben that Jacob hoped he was wrong about Ben until the moment he stabbed him in the heart. The later Smokey comes along hoping to use him to eliminate the candidate's protector. He frees Ben and offers him control over the island. The exact temptation that had started and kept him on the path of destruction he was on. Instead, Ben finally rejects the temptation and puts himself at the mercy of Iliana - quite possibly showing that Jacob had been wrong about him. He may be my favorite character on this show and Michael Emerson's performance in this episode was his best yet. Though it is weird to think Ben Linus may be on the side of the good guys from here on out.
Richard Fife
6. R.Fife
Preface: I only just now got into Lost, and this was the first episode I had to actually wait for (just barely made the cut on Hulu before they took down LA X pts 1 and 2) So yeah, coming at you with a massively condensed memory of things.

Ben's been teetering on the edge of falling from faith for some time, in fact, for the entire "main timeline" if you want to think about it, as he discovered he had cancer a "few days" before the pilot. But this episode did a good job of highlighting his entire trip down.

I agree with JennB @4 about how this had the best Earth-2 plot thus far, and I really think it was because this was the first one where it featured a character doing something completely different than we'd seen before. We've seen Jack be a good dad, we've seen Kate look past her own selfishness and help people, and we've seen Sayid be emo about his past. I'd say we've even see the "overcome regardless" attitude of Locke-2 (even if it was more spiritual this time than in previous renditions). But Ben-2 truly was a different yet the same person that resonated well with Ben-1.

I felt somewhat let down with the Richard part of it, though. I see the parallel in the fall and return to Grace, but Richard's was much much more sudden, and I just had a hard time parsing the fall from the normally unflappable Richard to this "please kill me" Richard, especially considering his actions post Jacob's death thus far. Perhaps it was the massacre at the Temple that really twigged him, but if so, then it happened off screen, which is part of my confusion. I mean, seriously, he was still trying to "do Jacob's will" by warning the candidates to stay away from Smocke (love that name, by the by) just an episode earlier. He was panicked, true, but still with some feeling of this central "here's what we need to do" thing. So yeah, if they had put in at least one scene where he snapped visibly on camera before leading Jack and Hurley to the Black Rock, I'd have been happier.

All-in-all, though, a beautiful episode that really showcased one of my favorite characters (yes, I've been a Ben lover from the get-go. What does that say about me?)
R O T
7. rogerothornhill
The Tempest idea is wonderful--I'm pretty sure Jacob would be Prospero and Smokey Caliban, which would make Richard Ariel?--but then again one of the things which makes Lost so delightfully downmarket in its postmodernism is that it just raids every available story for tropes and archetypes with absolutely no pretense or order whatsoever. I'm sure that Pedro Calderon de la Barca and Brother Power are both in there someplace if I just look hard enough.

As for The Stand, that's where they started, but in some ways that premise started to fade away as soon as they cast the pilot. In some ways what it's moved much closer to is Lost Horizon, but in others both King and Hilton are just part of the gumbo.

One question for all you fellow obsessives: is there any chance that Widmore's real name is Wallace?
Walking Scarlet
8. walkingscarlet
I wasn't very interested in Ilana before, but when she said, "I'll have you," she totally won me over.

That was a huge choice she made there. She could've easily let Ben run off to join Locke, and it wouldn't have been surprising or incongruous with the story. I'm interested to see the impact it has on how things unfold from here.

Also, re: the candidates, Lostpedia thinks AUSTEN wasn't crossed out on the wheel in Jacob's lighthouse. So she could be one of the six. I do like the theory that the names in the cave Locke showed Sawyer are just an incomplete/inaccurate copy of Jacob's actual list. So what I'm wondering is, is it possible that the 4-8-15-16-23-42 group isn't the be-all and end-all, it's just who the Man In Black thought were the chosen ones, but he doesn't have all the information? (In which case, was he the one beaming those numbers out on a radio signal? I don't know; I'm not convinced the whole numbers thing is ever going to make complete sense.)
Rajan Khanna
9. rajanyk
@8 - I feel the same way about Ilana. I wasn't interested in her much, and all she seemed to do was stomp around with a gun in her hands. But that moment was a pretty powerful one and completely changed the character for me.

As to the cave, I wonder if maybe we'll see Sawyer back there and find out that Smocke has his own mirror that he was using to watch Jacob with. Which is why his information may be incomplete. But it brings up the whole concept of smoke and mirrors. Which would make sense for how Smocke operates - by illusions, etc. But mirrors are also associated with Jacob, so maybe that's really both of their schticks.
Chin Bawambi
10. bawambi
I for one hope for the sake of the forces of lighter gray that Jack isn't the chosen one because as I joke with my friends of the series the name shouldn't be "Lost" it should be "Jack's ALWAYS Wrong" - almost every decision Jack ever made even down to the mundane is epic fail. He tends to be an emotional leader who's instincts are terrible with a debbie downer personality to boot - excellent character but even with all the lone wolf baggage I'd follow Sawyer instead anyday.
Rajan Khanna
11. rajanyk
Another thought - we saw Ben confront Widmore before and it was mentioned that they couldn't kill each other. Which is similar to how Jacob and Smocke couldn't kill each other as well. If we assume that Ben was allied with Jacob (up until killing him), then is Widmore allied with Smocke? Safe bet is that the sub will be Smocke's way off the island. Could he have brought Widmore to the island? If so, is the cooperation willing or unintentional?
Richard Fife
12. R.Fife
@11 I am thinking Widmore is who Jacob was trying to get Hurley to bring to the Island at the lighthouse. Although the analogy between Ben and Widmore and Jacob and Smocke is interesting.

As I think of it, considering that Widmore, while being a douche, was a Leader of the others and was ousted by Ben, who I think was not supposed to really lead seeing as he had never seen Jacob before, well, perhaps Widmore will end up being a bit of a hero after all. Remember his confrontation with Desmond last season, he had an almost sympathetically human moment.

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