A long time ago I wrote a post on series that go downhill, and whether it’s worth starting a series when everyone tells you that it isn’t worth carrying on. Just now, Kluelos commented on that old post asking about unfinished series, saying:
If you’re one of us forlorn David Gerrold fans, you know the agony of waiting forever for sequels, so that’s the opposite point, I guess. Is it better to endure a long wait, maybe never see the next book (I will never speak to James Clavell again, because he died before writing “Hag”), than to have the next book even if it is worse than disappointing? I dunno.
Well, if you come face to face with James Clavell in the afterlife, my advice is to tell him first how much you like his books, before asking if he’s had time up there to finish Hag Struan.
I have an immediate answer to the question too, it’s definitely better to endure a long wait and have a quality sequel, or no sequel, than have a bad sequel. A bad sequel can spoil the books that came before. A good sequel after a long wait enhances the previous books. No sequel, whether because the author died or lost interest in the series isn’t ideal, but it doesn’t spoil anything. “We’ll always have Paris.”
Besides, there’s something about an unfinished series that people like. I’ve been thinking about this recently. When you have a finished series, it’s like a whole book. It’s longer, but it’s the same emotional experience, it’s complete, over. An unfinished series on the other hand is much more likely to provoke conversation, because you’re wondering what will happen, and whether the clues you have spotted are clues or red herrings. People complained that The Gathering Storm wasn’t the one final volume to complete the Wheel of Time, but they’re clearly loving talking about it. And I’ve noticed a lot less conversation about Harry Potter recently, now that everyone knows as much as there is to know. The final volume of a series closes everything down. With luck, it closes it down in a satisfying way. But even the best end will convey a strong sense of everything being over. An ongoing series remains perpetually open.
One series I read where the author died without finishing it was Patrick O’Brian’s Aubrey-Maturin series. I started reading it while he was still writing them, but I read the last book after he had died. It did colour my reading of Blue on the Mizzen, but one of the things I kept thinking was that O’Brian was rather fond of killing off his characters, and nobody could kill them now. I have a term for this, “forever bailing” from Four Quartets.
We have to think of them as forever bailing,
Setting and hauling, while the North East lowers
Over shallow banks unchanging and erosionless
Or drawing their money, drying sails at dockage;
Not as making a trip that will be unpayable
For a haul that will not bear examination.
There will be no more books, but the characters will always go on travelling hopefully.
Some people find it offputting to discover that a book is part of a long series. Other people are delighted—if they like it, there’s so much more to discover. I’ve heard people say they’re not going to start A Song of Ice and Fire until it’s finished, but I think they’re missing half the fun. My post on Who Killed Jon Arryn won’t be worth the pixels it’s written in when everything’s all down in black and white. If you read the books now, you get to speculate about where the series is going.
Anyway, reading unfinished series gives you something to look forward to. The first book I ever waited for was Silver on the Tree, the last of Susan Cooper’s Dark is Rising books. There were other books I’d read that had sequels I couldn’t find—indeed, that was a normal condition for me. (I waited twenty years for Sylvia Engdahl’s Beyond the Tomorrow Mountains. This is my record, so far.) But Silver on the Tree was the first book that hadn’t been published yet when I started to want it, and that had a publication date that I waited for. The second, a few months later, was The Courts of Chaos. I’d gone from the normal chaotic state of turning up in a bookshop and being thrilled with whatever had come in since the last time, to a state of constant and specific anticipation of what was forthcoming. I was thirteen.
Right now, like everyone else on the planet, I’m waiting for A Dance With Dragons. I’m also waiting for Tiassa, the Vlad Taltos book that Steven Brust is writing even now. And I’m waiting desperately for The City in the Crags or whatever it ends up being called, the next Steerswoman book. (Kirstein said at Boskone that she was working on books five and six together, so maybe they’ll come out quite close together too.) I’m waiting for Deceiver, the new Atevi book, and this one, excitingly, is actually finished and coming out on May 4th. (So, what do you think, re-read of the previous ten in late April?) And there’s Bujold’s new Vorkosigan book Cryoburn, which I know is finished, but which doesn’t seem to have a release date that I can find. There’s Connie Willis’s All Clear, the sequel to (or as we say where I come from “the other half of”) Blackout. That’s coming in October.
How about you?
Jo Walton is a science fiction and fantasy writer. She’s published eight novels, most recently Half a Crown and Lifelode, and two poetry collections. She reads a lot, and blogs about it here regularly. She comes from Wales but lives in Montreal where the food and books are more varied.
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In Heaven, there will be enough eternity to make fractal art. In multiple styles. Which goes all the way down.
Sunday February 28, 2010 11:22am EST
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I'm not familiar with myspace and can't seem to link to individual entries, but here is the link to the blog, it's the third post down.
http://blogs.myspace.com/loismcmasterbujold
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With Brust, the wait is for a novel that I know will likely be awesome. With Martin, the wait is for that plus the and also to know how it all turns out. In that, if "The Song of Ice and Fire" isn't completed, there will be more of a sense of incompleteness and loss.
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Sunday February 28, 2010 12:37pm EST
Thankfully, it was an enjoyable read, but the later Ringworld novels almost approach "Jar Jar Binks" levels of disappointment.
A similar case of buying a book after reading part of the serialization was Omni's excerpts from Heinleins Number of the Beast. The serialization ended on a cliffhanger, and as it turns out, had the cool mystery/thriller chapters of the first third of the book, which rapidly descended into nonsense that left that plot thread pretty much hanging.
I've still got the Galileo issues in my collectibles box, the Omnis disappeared somewhere in moving out of my parents' house -- a lot of great early fiction by authors such as Orson Scott Card and Dean Ing were in there.
But to get back on track about sequels... if Farmer had just ended with "To Your Scattered Bodies Go" it would have been a wonderful mystery. Each successive sequel peeled back a layer of the onion invalidating the previous, and becoming more absurd and less full of wonder.
Sunday February 28, 2010 12:49pm EST
I'm waiting for Cryoburn and A Dance With Dragons and Tiassa and The City in the Crags. I'm waiting for Bear's Chill to arrive in the mail. I'm waiting for the new books in both of Diane Duane's series; the new Young Wizards book is due out this year, while the new Door book may never come out. I'm waiting for Among Others, even though it's the first of its series. I'm waiting for Susanna Clarke to write another book in the Jonathan Strange and Mister Norrell universe. I'm waiting for Stross's next Laundry book. I do a lot of waiting, which also means that I get to be very pleased once every month or two.
I do wish that we had huge release parties for other series, the way we did for the Harry Potter books. It seems like only the proper respect due to the joys of reading. A new Bujold book should certainly be cause for an international holiday.
Sunday February 28, 2010 01:42pm EST
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I read these books because Lois Bujold recommended them, starting a new shelf (which you have added greatly to) of books pushed by authors I love.
Sunday February 28, 2010 02:00pm EST
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A recent example is Katharine Kerr, who did just that with her Deverry series. These are not the only novels she's produced along the way either. Yet she did complete this visionary multi-volume work, while maintaining a high standard of quality all the way through.
A non-genre example is author Anthony Powell, and his Dance to the Music of Time.
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday February 28, 2010 02:15pm EST
Paxed: For me, that comes under "We'll always have Paris". I'd rather not have The Splendor and Misery of Bodies, of Cities than have it and it be bad. Also, at this point I no longer want it -- it's been too long, and I have written it in my head. Which brings me to R. Emrys's point -- I am not at all given to fanfic, and while I like thinking about books and talking about them I don't like making up things that will later be contradicted or need to be overwritten. I only make up things when what's there is intolerable or when I have given up hope.
Carandol: I'm still half way through Jerusalem Commands.
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I vote yes, especially if you post re-read reviews. But even if not, I vote yes.
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday February 28, 2010 03:21pm EST
I have been in the horrible situation of only wanting to read a book that is not out yet for the last three months for not one but THREE different series, all due out in March. Changes in Jim Butcher's Dresden Files, Bound in Blood book five of P.C Hodgell's Chronicles of the Kencyrath, a series I started on with book three, and the most recent book in Anne Bishop's Realm's of the Blood Shalador's Lady.
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"Series" of interconnected stories that jump around, those I am more interested in the writing, if it's good I'll stick with it. If not...well let's just say, library books don't always get finished. (Once I have writing quality issues, I will always wait for either the library or ebay.)
And darn it, I have a few authors I plan to look up in the afterlife myself!
But I want to know what people generally feel about successor authors? Or is that just hit or miss?
I find that I quite like most of Deborah J Ross's Darkover books. I find the quality to be at least as consistent as the originals, and the social issues are just as compelling as the ones explored by Marion Zimmer Bradley. And based on the huge response to The Gathering Storm, most people seem pretty happy with Brandon Sanderson.
On the other hand Todd McCaffrey's Pern books leave me wanting to scrub the back of my eyeballs. And Christopher Tolkien should have just left those tales unfinished...
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday February 28, 2010 04:25pm EST
Yeah.
Though I have to admit that I'm one of the ones who have avoided picking up Martin's Big Series until it's finished. I did read A Game of Thrones like three hundred years ago, but I barely recall anything that happened in it, so for all intents and purposes when I do start it I'll be starting fresh.
Totally agreed on the Brust, though, and the news that the next Vorkosigan novel is coming out this year fills me with miles of squee, no pun intended. And the Dresden books are lots of fluffy fun, always glad that they keep coming.
Also, I'm not *waiting*, exactly, but I'm curious to see if Jean Auel actually manages to produce a sixth and final Ayla book before the universe collapses. If she does, I'll totally read it; if she doesn't, well, it's all good, really.
I also have Eoin Colfer's "conclusion" to the Hitchhiker's Guide series on my shelf, but I've frankly been rather afraid to start reading it.
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May the Light shine upon Robert Jordan and the Creator shelter him in His palm until time without end. The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, time without end...
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Back to adult stuff. While not exactly unfinished, I would love another work in Scalzi's Old Man Universe, but it looks like Zoe's Tale will be the last dealing with the Perry family for a bit. Finally, yes I am dying for GRRM to finish the series. GRRRRRR.
Rob
Sunday February 28, 2010 07:22pm EST
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Deverry was a long time in coming. I think, besides, Ethshar, it's the longest running (in years of my life)I ever read. I got the first book when I was 18 and working in a mall. The last comes when I am 41 with a wife and child. Surreal.
The first book I remember waiting for was Wishsong Of Shanarra. I saved my paper route money and everything. Then I got it and...well, let's say, I don't recommend it to anyone.
I waiting for the next Ethshar book because, c'mon, it's Ethshar and I wantssssssssss it!
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday February 28, 2010 07:37pm EST
Deverry was a long time in coming. I think, besides, Ethshar, it's the longest running (in years of my life)I ever read. I got the first book when I was 18 and working in a mall. The last comes when I am 41 with a wife and child. Surreal.
The first book I remember waiting for was Wishsong Of Shanarra. I saved my paper route money and everything. Then I got it and...well, let's say, I don't recommend it to anyone.
I waiting for the next Ethshar book because, c'mon, it's Ethshar and I wantssssssssss it!
Sunday February 28, 2010 07:49pm EST
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If so, then I can take it and dismiss it. If it doesn't finish, then that's a larger failure of writing than simply writing it badly.
I've read bad books in my day. Or, I've read books that started good and ended badly. But the fact that I got through it was a testament to the book. The "worst" that I've read are always the ones that I picked up and then put down again months later. To have an unfinished series is basically just forcing that last category on me.
@R.Emrys: I've read a Wizard of Mars. It's a solid sequel to the Young Wizard series, although there were a few slow chapters near the middle.
Sunday February 28, 2010 09:17pm EST
In my mind there are three kinds of series-finishing books. There are ones like Harry Potter or Deathgate Cycle that definitively end the series. There is the book that finishes a story arc but leaves room for more (R.A. Salvatore, generally), and then there is the "bad" sequel, which deconstructs the world that has been built and leave it retroactively sullied (midichlorians).
Even then, though, I'd prefer a bad book to a completely hanging story. Hooray for completed trilogies! More insidious are the trilogy-plus-one books, where an author takes the room left by the end of a story arc and takes things in a new direction that leaves fans cold.
Sunday February 28, 2010 10:02pm EST
I'd rather see a half-way decent ending than a bad ending, or an ending that didn't wrap anything up.
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I did. It was pretty good, but not amazing. It sated my curiosity without disappointing me, and I no longer pine away for the sequel.
Sunday February 28, 2010 11:20pm EST
The Amber books made me kind of sad when Zelazny died since he was going to have another series of stories. That piece of garbage they had someone write as a prequel is something I refuse to read.
Sunday February 28, 2010 11:44pm EST
What I don't understand is that, while I'm delighted about the new Bujold and the next Willis and more Brust, for some reason it doesn't seem as urgent and I can't figure out why.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 12:22am EST
- the anti... cipation of waiting for the next instalment of a still-in-progress but not yet finished series (e.g. ASOIAF) can add a frisson of excitement.
- if a series ended because the writer died (why couldn't they just have printed the notes to Frank Herbert's "Dune 7"?), it is bittersweet.
- if a series got killed before the last instalment came out, with no real prospect of closure despite enthusiasm from the writer (Walter Jon Williams' that began with "Metropolitan", Tony Daniel's that began with "Metaplanetary"), it's just frustrating.
Monday March 01, 2010 02:03am EST
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Rush: I have not read Turner. I didn't like the Flora Segunda though. I have very little tolerance for twee.
JohntheIrishMongol: Divorce is the failure of a marriage, but it does sometimes have to happen. Not being able to finish a series is, as Spherical Time says @32, a writing failure. Sometimes those things happen too, and sometimes no amount of counselling and help will put things back together.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 06:46am EST
I love more-or-less loosely connected novels, like Discworld or Pern or Dune; in that case, if one book is so bad I hate it, I can just pretend it doesn't exist and still love the rest.
I love a multi-volume story when an author knows how may novels it's going to be and/or has already the ending in her mind, so I know there is an end in sight and I will live to read it.
I do not like when someone churns out two dozens of 1500-page novels, each of which is but a chapter of a bigger story, and you can't really enjoy it unless you know everything that has happened before, and will be left hanging if no final volume comes out. In these cases, I respectfully half-disagree with Neil Gaiman: while it is true that the author is not my bitch, I also do not feel compelled to read any book of this epic until I can clearly see an end in sight. My book time is too precious for that.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 08:41am EST
Now to me there is a huge difference between a series of books about the same character, like what Bujold and to a certain extent Weber have done with Miles and Honor and a series plotted around with a goal/destination in mind. While I love those character driven books, I don't fret about when the next will come out as much because they are pretty much self contained.
Monday March 01, 2010 09:47am EST
I also anticipate the new Vorkosigan book, and Cast in Chaos by Sagara, later this year.
I tend to prefer series where the books stand alone but gain resonance from each other. Don't much like waiting for things that aren't complete. I recently read what I thought was a 4-books series. I didn't love it, but liked it well enough to keep reading, mainly to find out what happened to the secondary characters. I was dismayed to realize about 50 pages from the end of book 4 that there was no way this was going to wrap up, and in fact, it had become a FIVE book series. I will probably buy book 5, but I'm not real happy about it. On the other hand, I had no problem at all when Moon's Vatta series ran to an extra book.
And I still would have liked to read The Universal Pantograph
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 10:40am EST
I think what frustrates me most about some writers with unfinished series is seeing them turn their hand to other writing and other projects at the same times that readers are hanging on a fresh shot of story. (I don't apply that to writers like Kirstein whose output is limited by the necessity of holding down a day job.)
And I also wanted to mention: I think Wheel of Time readers owe a great deal of gratitude to Jordan's memory. I think it would have been easy, when faced with a terminal prognosis, to basically despair of his unfinished work and give up. Instead he spent a lot of his time laying the groundwork so a successor could come in and finish it for the fans. I think that's an act of pure class.
Monday March 01, 2010 10:47am EST
I'm also waiting for All Clear and Conspiracy of Kings. You should read Megan Whelan Turner - I'm sure you'd love her books. At the DWJ conference, people were recommending her in the same breath with Dorothy Dunnett and Sherwood Smith.
Yes - I'd rather have no sequel than one in which characters I loved got killed off. I love that notion of Jack and Stephen still out there somewhere...
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Monday March 01, 2010 11:30am EST
When I was older, but still without community-of-fans, I wrote to Guy Gavriel Kay and asked him about the riselka at the end of Tigana. He very nicely wrote back and said that he'd already said what he was going to, and that one was supposed to wonder.
Now I have a local friend who reads so many author-blogs and new-book-alerts that her library queue is always full. Once the books are safely in her queue, she tells me about them so I can get on the lists after her. But the timing is often not right for me - after I spend a whole weekend reading three extant volumes of a story and being caught up in a world, then sometimes it's not the same when the next one becomes available.
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Monday March 01, 2010 11:43am EST
Cliffhanger endings are fine...until you discover that you are left hanging off that cliff indefinitely; then it just becomes tiring, and at some point you'll probably let go and not even realize it.
Unfinished series seem to be a trend, too.
Jordan, my all time favorite, was a heartbreaker. But it was Martin that did me in for unfinished series, honestly. I hate to say it but that took the cake. I started it without knowing it wasn't complete...Oops! That was like 7 years ago. Since then I have pretty well sworn off unfinished series. No Lynch, no Rothfuss. Forget Dance With Dragons. Maybe 15 years from now I'll do a reread when its over. I bought Gathering Storm but haven't been able to crack the cover...I'll wait until I know I can finish it without forgetting everything I read previously.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 12:14pm EST
Currently, the only series I am waiting for are AsoIaF and the WoT. I'm pretty patient about them both. The reason for that, really, is that I would ally prefer it if a series never ended than a bad book be written. For that reason I'm perfectly happy to wait as long as GRRM takes. Heck, if he never finished the series I'd be disappointed but I'd accept it. Far better nothing than crap.
My main position on the subject of series is that there's no guarantee that I'll live to finish reading them. But that's no reason for me not to enjoy a great book while I can. Life's too short.
I will also add that generally speaking, I don't read a book set in a series by someone other than the originating author. I had a really hard time with accepting "The Gathering Storm" because in my mind the characters ended when RJ passed. Anything else that comes after is a shadowy imitation. Fortunately, the Wheel of Time itself provides me with a solution: I just pretend that Brandon Sanderson's novels are set in one of Jordan's Worlds of Ifs.
One final note: My feeling about novel series is completely different from television series. I almost always wait for the latter to be done before I'll start watching it (on DVD). But the reasoning for that is simple: Too often a season is released that just ruins the whole show for me. Hollywood has no concept of the notion that nothing is better than crap. For them, "Good enough" is far too acceptable.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 12:18pm EST
(I don't object to multiple standalone books set in the same world with overlapping characters, or even endless episodes in the adventures of Never Ageing Protagonist. With those, I can miss one out if it's bad or I can't find it, and if the author dies or gets bored before completing the series, I don't lose much.)
Two exceptions: Bujold's Miles books, and Brust's Vlad books. I was really reluctant to start them because of the series thing, but the opening books were clearly complete stories, not just opening chapters in endless sagas, and the others work as standalones too. Also, they are both very readable and don't give me the sense that I'm devoting too much of my life to a needlessly drawn out story.
Like several others, I was waiting for The Captal's Tower for a while. I started it because I was love with a Rawn fan, and because a trilogy of fat fantasies is at least finite; with two already published I was willing to gamble that the third would actually exist in a reasonable time-frame. But I've pretty much given up by now; I enjoyed the books at the time but they haven't stuck in my mind enough to really desire the sequel any more. Also, Rawn's recent stuff is really, really dire supernatural romance, so I have utterly lost faith in her as a writer.
Monday March 01, 2010 12:21pm EST
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In general I'm not a completist; in fact I'm practically an anti-completist. I've read most of the Aubrey-Maturin books several times, but I've never read and never will read the last one; I prefer to leave the series even more open-ended than O'Brien's death did. Plus, The Hundred Days pissed me off so much I decided that my own version of the series ended with book eighteen.
The other example that comes to mind is the Freddy the Pig books, which I loved as a kid and which I rediscovered a few years ago, as they were re-printed. Reading them as an adult, I realized for the first time that there are actually a finite number of books in the series, written in a certain order, with developments in character and situation that could be tracked over time. It wasn't a welcome realization. I preferred to think of, or to remember from my childhood, a bunch of endless adventures happening out there in a timeless barnyard. I still love those books, but I stopped re-buying them after about four or so. I don't even know how many there are.
All that said, I'd really like Garth Nix' Lord Sunday to make its American appearance.
Monday March 01, 2010 01:32pm EST
As to series in progress, I'm of the lucky generation that saw while unfinished Star Wars, Harry Potter, His Dark Materials, and Lemony Snicket. And Lucas really was making it up as he went, like a dungeon master staying one night ahead of the players.
Monday March 01, 2010 01:41pm EST
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Of things not mentioned so far:
I am waiting for N.K. Jemisin's _The Broken Kingdoms_, which just goes to show how awesome the first book, _The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms_ is, because it was only released last week and is a complete story and yet I need the next book NOW.
I just read Moira J. Moore's four existing "Hero" books, which are light adventure SFF novels that are doing some interesting worldbuilding things that I am interested to see how they will be resolved in the next two or three books.
And in manga, I am figuratively biting my nails over the conclusion of _Fullmetal Alchemist_, which currently stands at 104 chapters of SFnal fabulousness and heading for a climax very quickly.
Monday March 01, 2010 02:35pm EST
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Unfinished series grow frustrating, in my opinion, when there is no arc, no payoff, in an individual title. In those circumstances, the reader feels cheated because it's like being sold half a book.
Monday March 01, 2010 03:24pm EST
In another way it is a sequel, as it picks up characters from Doomsday, To Say Nothing of the Dog and themes from many of her shorter works - I enjoyed it thoroughly, but I want the rest.
I'm also waiting for Charlie Stross's "The Trade of Queens" as I crunched through the rest of the series once he said it was in press - these do stand alone as narratives, with each building on the previous one.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday March 01, 2010 03:26pm EST
I think expectations are different with comics and TV as they is a form of story telling where serialization is expected. In fact, unlike novels, non-serialization is a feature worth pointing out ("one shots" in comics or "specials" in TV)
One of the few series I impatiently waited for was Miyazaki's Nausicäa of the Valley of Wind, impatiently enough that I arranged for someone to mail me issues of Animage from Japan as it came out over there so I wouldn't have to wait for the translation
I also want to point out that large parts of the world are worse off in terms of waiting for WoT or SoIaF sequels: not only do they need to wait for the author, they also have to wait for the translator (if they don't read English)
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Monday March 01, 2010 05:15pm EST
I'm not sure I enjoy waiting for books to be published, but what I do love is the weeks immediately before and immediately after the release of a very popular book (such as one of the Harry Potter series). I love this time because it's the only time that my (less book-obsessed) friends and I are united, briefly, in discussing, obsessing and theorising about a book. It's a brilliant feeling. There's nothing else like it.
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What I haven't seen mentioned was regarding The Dark Tower. I began reading The Dark Tower series shortly after The Waste Lands was published and was waiting what seemed like a long time for Book IV to come out, and then there was another long stretch before the final three books brought the series to an end.
In that time, the biggest scare was when Stephen King was seriously injured in a car accident, and, I hate to say it, I thought about how I might never find out what would happen- at the time, there just never seemed to be an indication that he had a full resolution in mind or planned and plotted out how to get there, so I had no confidence that we would ever know the ending.
Thankfully, Robert Jordan always seemed to indicate that there was an ending planned, and even though there was a long stretch of time where I felt he was certainly taking a scenic way to get there, I did have some assurance that there was an ending planned. And when he fell ill and when my own selfish inclinations sometimes turned to those questions, I still felt assured, even when he untimely passed.
Tuesday March 02, 2010 03:28pm EST
As waiting for sequels, I will say that if there's one thing the SF/Fantasy genre taught me at a young age, it's the patience to wait for said sequels. I literally had to learn to flip a switch in my brain turning a series "off", before my head exploded.
The first one I can think of I really had to wait for was Stephen R Donaldson's The One Tree in the second Thomas Covenant series. There was a long gap, and I seem to remember reading somewhere later that he lost the original manuscript on a plane, and had to rewrite the whole thing. (Of course, that's nothing to waiting for GRRM now...)
BTW Jo, Tiassa has been out for a while now.
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday March 02, 2010 03:50pm EST
General note on waiting for O'Brian. In S.M. Stirling's Island in the Sea of Time, a character stranded in C.14 BCE thinks that she will never get any more O'Brians! But she goes on to think that The Commodore is a natural ending point for the series. Actually, The Yellow Admiral was out before she left, and that's a much less satisfactory end, indeed, a cliffhanger. I suspected Stirling of unusual kindness to a character -- but that's not one of his flaws. I asked him and he said it was a slip.
Tuesday March 02, 2010 04:20pm EST
Doh! is my face red...yes, you're correct, sorry.
Tuesday March 02, 2010 07:39pm EST
Too true. Len Deighton had written 8 books in the Bernard Samson series of espionage novels, and was about to finish the last set of 3 books (Faith, Hops, Charity) when East germany collapsed and The Wall came down. So he (apparently) re-wrote Charity to conform to that...and it was a terrible book and it made the 8 books that came before pretty much shams...
Tuesday March 02, 2010 08:55pm EST
I'm also waiting patiently for Laurie J. Marks to finish her Elemental Logic series with "Air Logic". Also, for Phyllis Eisenstein to come out with "The City in Stone" in her Book of Elementals series. Oh, and for Doris Egan/Jane Emerson to pick up where "City of Diamond" left off.
One that I've given up hope on is any sequel to Claudia J. Edwards' "Eldrie The Healer" in her Bastard Princess series.
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Patrick O'Brien's books are good, as were C. S. Forester's Hornblower novels, but missing one just means you haven't read a good book yet.
A series like the WoT, however, demands a not inconsequential investment of time, money ($270 or so by now), and heart. I became very caught up with the series, and was getting frustrated when it became more drawn out. I am very grateful the author provided for the series' completion.
I would also have been satisfied (but not ecstatic) to have settled for a work completed like Forester's Hornblower during the Crisis, which stopped with the author's last completed page and then provided a one-page summary of the rest of the book. I found this much preferable to an incomplete story or unpublished book, and would prefer this approach in a series, if possible.
I have only encountered one series ended prematurely, W. E. B. Griffin's Men at War series. The Generals, especially the second half, had a rushed feel to it, and disappointed me with some of the character resolutions. He then returned to the series with some "gap" filler books, which still makes me wonder....
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I believe Edwards has died, which would definitely put the kibosh on that -- pity.
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday March 03, 2010 04:45pm EST
I first read The Last Heroes while getting a tan off the coast of Iran, but our tiny library didn't have any others. I would check out bookstores for more Alex Baldwin for years until I figured out where the author went.
Now, the elements you mentioned make it unlikely I will buy any subsequent books, especially now that they are being "co-written" by his son. (I have never read any other "co-written" books except Niven & Pournelle's first.) Clancy's Executive Orders almost finished those books for me, The Teeth of the Tiger confirmed it.
Back to series overextension- sometimes I believe I am purposely having my chain yanked, usually by Hollywood. Was there ever any intention of finally meeting Ted's wife? Series like HIMYM and Lost should have endings mapped out, otherwise they are just a waste of time (to me); instead they were overextended to keep making money. Chuck could've ended after the 2nd season satisfactorily, I hope the eventual end also satisfies, and after at least 2 more years.
I expect more from books, because fewer people involved should keep idiot suits from making bad decisions.
Wednesday March 03, 2010 11:50pm EST
Thursday March 04, 2010 09:00am EST
I used to avoid all series, for reasons which are no longer apparent to me. I seem to recall it was Pratchett who cured me of that particular affliction.
I don't really think the Gentlemen bastards series is in the same category of series with ASoIaF. At least the first book has perfect closure, and is really more like a Brust series or a Bujold series. Nevertheless, I'm waiting for the next installment. But I can die before I read it, and I'm ok with that. It's not like I'm going to run out of good books to read.
I must be the only person on the planet who isn't particularly waiting for A Dance with Dragons. Maybe it helps that I don't think GRRM is the best thing since sliced bread. I mean, he's good, but so are many others.
For some books that I _do_ think are better than sliced bread, I don't really think a sequel would even make sense. A sequel to Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell would feel as odd to me as a sequel to Little, Big.
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Thursday March 04, 2010 05:01pm EST
Thursday March 04, 2010 05:09pm EST
I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, I had pretty much determined that Tales of the Continuing Time was 'done; closed.' However, the news that there might be another Trent book reawoke all the burning impatience that had taken five or more years to fade after I finished reading the originals when they were published.
What's almost worse, for me, is waiting years for a book - in one case, any sequels to David Palmer's (he was mentioned above) book Emergence. I recently discovered that there was a sequel, but it was only made available in serialized form, and I'm having trouble tracking it down. At least, though, this is a detective quest with a possible happy ending (in that I find the book!) and a possible disappointment (if it's not good).
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I am looking forward to Martin's A Dance with Dragons.
The way David Wingrove's excellent Chung Kuo series ended always left a bad taste in my mouth. I think what was supposed to be nine books got changed to eight, so he had to cram a lot into the last volume, The Marriage of the Living Dark. It would have been better off ending after book seven, Days of Bitter Strength.
Thursday March 04, 2010 05:34pm EST
Thursday March 04, 2010 05:50pm EST
What about series that we thought were over, but come round again? Stephen R. Donaldson, anyone? Or perhaps Dan Simmons with what turned out to be the Endymion cycle, which I loved?
Currently waiting on Wise Men's Fear, the sequel to The Name of the Wind, and can't believe I'm the first here to say that.
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday March 04, 2010 05:59pm EST
In this world, I am comforted by the thought that Tongues of Serpents, the new Temeraire book, will be out soon.
Thursday March 04, 2010 06:13pm EST
But deep in my heart, what I really pine for is the final volume in The Space Mavericks series. Michael Kring seems to have vanished, probably because lacking a good editor at the time of publication, some rather purple prose found its way into print, and many people have seen it as their role to pour scorn on him.
I, however, still love these books, re-read them regularly, and more than anything want to know what they discovered on Charcoal. If I became rich enough to become a serious patron, I'd track him down and pay him good money to do it!
Thursday March 04, 2010 07:06pm EST
Am I on tenterhooks for Dragons? NO! I about threw the last one at an innocent bookstore clerk when I realized that not only was the character appendix somewhere around 100 pages long (even with all the people who ride into Gondor it wouldn't take that much space to list every named character in LOTR), he had decided to leave out all the interesting characters--and he admitted as much in an Afterword that must be one of the least adequate apologies to readers EVER. Not to mention his penchant for having characters who ought to connect miss each other by inches or minutes (staying at the same inn one night apart, taking one crossroad when the other character is just around the corner in the other direction, etc.). I can take that once or twice--I get that he has a big complicated chaotic world--but this looks like stalling to me. He has made this series twice as long as it needed to be because he won't let his own story resolve itself. And were the seven wolf puppies way back when really that pointless a coincidence? Of course, I am going to read it, just in case....
For Melanie Rawn--I liked her Sunrunner books, despite the beautiful people virus that seems to have ravaged the population, but the whole premise of inverted gender roles never did work for me in Exiles. I don't believe a world that values women over men would have the same prejudiced assumptions about men that our world has about women. It's more complicated than that. So, no real temptation or longing to read further.
Unfortunately, the incomplete series often don't have the deadening thud of a misfire to let us off the hook. I am thrilled PC Hodgell has finally gotten to put out more Kencyrath books in the last few years (I read the first two soon after they came out, and was devastated when she vanished for so long, and finally Seeker's Mask came out but was impossible to find).
Thursday March 04, 2010 09:19pm EST
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Friday March 05, 2010 02:14am EST
Stopped reading GRRM after book two, because of the long wait. Just didn't care about Feast for Crows when it came out. In general I don't mind waiting for series that are out yearly like clockwork, but multiyear waits are a bit much, particularly in a must-follow-the-plot series. Jim Butcher could write on any schedule and I'd still buy Dresden novels, as who cares if I remember anything from the earlier ones, but Alera needed a lot more continuity, for example.
I think I fall in the camp of 'would rather not have an ending than a bad one'. There are only four Frank Herbert Dune books, and nobody here had better tell me differently. :) That said, it requires a pretty bad ending to make me feel that way; most series, even mediocrely ended series, are better off finished. The ones that made me care enough about the characters to want an end, need one. Dune, however, had so little continuity in world and character that by the last few I didn't really care anymore, and so the lower quality of the book put me off.
Really I think episodic common world series are the best. I mean series like the Retrieval Artist series, or even the Dresden Files; each book is a standalone book, but with some continuity of a larger plot and characters/world. You don't have to learn a whole new set of main characters each book, so you grow attached to some, but you also don't need to remember the complete plot from year to year, and you can read them at your leisure as they come out or not.
Glad to hear there is a new Vorkosigan book... wondered if she'd ever go back to the world. No idea if I remember anything about the world anymore, but I'm sure Miles will be interesting one way or the other. Perhaps a reread is needed. I'm also on the 'Blackout' waiting list... I understand the "Jordan Rule" (if your last name is not Jordan, your books can't be 900+ pages) but I would have rather had just the one here, even at $35 or something crazy like that.
Don't think I'd like to see a new Dread Empire book. I like the ending :)
VIEW ALL BY · Friday March 05, 2010 04:37am EST
There's another series I regard as even better than ASoIaF: P. C. Hodgell's Kencryrath series. And she's writing again! The next book, Bound in Blood comes out soon from (of all publishers!) Baen.
Friday March 05, 2010 06:42am EST
Friday March 05, 2010 09:34am EST
@Dholton--John D. MacDonald, yes! On the other hand, he had planned "Black Borders for McGee" as the last book in the McGee series, so perhaps "Lonely Silver Rain" was more fitting an ending, leaving McGee, Meyer et al. still sitting in the Busted Flush, rather than the boneyard.
Everyone--no comment on the deaths of Robert B. Parker and Dick Francis? Sure, they're not fantasy or SF, but I'm already feeling the pain of a world w/o Spenser and Hawk; and I always thought we'd have at least one more Sid Halley book.
Sure, Parker was on a quest to see how few words he could write a Spenser book in, but that's part of the fun.
Rather than thinking of our losses, and the waits for more books in a series (or a character), let's celebrate the fact that we had great books to read!
Friday March 05, 2010 12:27pm EST
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Friday March 05, 2010 09:17pm EST
I'd read part of the David Palmer seriallization in Analog, but couldn't finish. Some twit stole the issue with the last installment from the library. I'd heard some small press was printing it, but their website foesn't seem to have been updated in years.
Saturday March 06, 2010 01:04pm EST
Saturday March 06, 2010 10:15pm EST
This is exactly what I thought of. Clearly meant to be a series, and I love it, and argh, no more. Yet, anyway (1996!). Where there's life, etc.
I have a friend who won't read a series until it's finished. She can't stand waiting. No matter how good it is, if there's more to come, she won't start the first one.
Sunday March 07, 2010 12:41pm EST
I read each book of Gene Wolfe's "Book of the New Sun" as it came out and I started reading the "Alvin the Maker" stories when they started. I made it through Gene Wolfe; I had other readers around to keep me reading. When Alvin the Maker faltered and Card took a break for other things, I took a break also. And I never came back. I have to admit that now seeing 'first of ....' makes me avoid the book. Unless it is Crowley or Wolfe, I don't think that I am willing to take the chance that the writer may not finish the tale. I have to trust that the writer will make that particular book worth my trouble.
Sunday March 07, 2010 05:03pm EST
GRRM will, considering that the TV show debuts at the end of 2010, probably keep his readers on the hook for a while longer. On one hand, maybe he can now find a couple of TV writers to wrap things up reasonably; on the other hand, I think I'll leave that sequel on the shelf until I've seen some quantity of reliable reviews.
Monday August 30, 2010 02:27pm EDT
The other reason I've grown to dislike series is that once I catch up, I have to wait at least two years for a paperback of the next story. The hardcover's are a waste of money and space, and I simply can't afford them. Of course, I read less now anyway since even paperbacks, and god-forbid used paperbacks have gotten expensive. And don't get me started on e-books which I view as overpriced, duplicating what I already own, and good only for the life of the store, standard, or hardware.
My third reason for not liking series is that some authors don't know when to quit. I could enjoy a good series for as long as the author can write it well. However, there is almost always a point where the story suffers if it is allowed to continue. I found this to be true, at least for me, with Barbara Hambly's Darwath Trilogy. When it continued past the third book, it did so by making the entire series something less. I love Ms. Hambly's work, and don't mean to be cruel, but every writer is susceptible to this. There's also the fact that the author can change, therefore changing the series. I'd have to use Harry Potter as my example there, as I believe it was much better in the beginning, before Ms. Rowling became the "star" she is today. I can't define it, but something changed, and the books went from being something even children could enjoy to killing beloved characters which shocked not only children, but her adult fans as well. It simply didn't seem to be the same series at the end, that I had begun with such innocent fascination.
I still enjoy and look forward to series, but not nearly as much as before. I am far more hesitant to start a series which is still being written. Sadly, I am reading far less than I used to. It seems I need a finish line to cross. I need to know that my time and money will be rewarded with the pleasure of a complete story.