Thu
Jan 22 2009 11:33am

Lost Season 5 Premiere Round Table

In the same vein as our previous BSG round table, a few of us got together to talk a bit about the Lost Season 5 premiere, but this time, we did it through IM as the show progressed. What follows is a truncated transcript of an IM conversation between Theresa DeLucci, Bridget McGovern, and Pablo Defendini. This will probably make absolutely no sense to anyone who didn’t watch last night, but just in case, be warned: this is chock-full of spoilers. Chime in with your opinions of the season 5 premiere!

Bridget: The only certain thing in this mixed-up crazy Lost-world is that Sawyer will be partially naked at all times.

Pablo: Yeah, homeboy needs a shirt, and it looks like he’s had a few too many Dharma beers, too. I wonder if Locke and the Sawyer group are being displaced to the same times.

Theresa: I’m guessing not.

Pablo: So the island will continue to move through time until someone undoes what Ben did?

Bridget: On the boat, The Betrayal of Saint Hugo. Et tu, Sayid?

Pablo: Indeed

Theresa: People really treat Hurley like crap.

Bridget: Even Cheech Marin. It’s true.

Pablo: It’s Ana Lucia! Hurley and his spirit guides.

Bridget: (Oh thank god. I thought that bitch was back. That can’t happen)

Theresa: I love Ana Lucia!

Bridget: Nope.

Theresa: haha. Ana Lucia was the tough bitch Kate should’ve been if the producers weren’t afraid of making their lead a real killer. Kate’s a killer, but she’s a good killer because she stopped domestic violence. Also, she’s super hot. (Evangeline Lilly, although I think Michelle Rodriguez is beautiful, too.)

Bridget: I just get really tired of Michelle Rodriguez...she plays every role exactly the same

Theresa: I get that, but I haven’t seen that many Michelle Rodriguez movies.

Pablo: So when’s Locke gonna start talking to Hurley?

Theresa: Good question.

Pablo: More to the point, why hasn’t he yet?

Theresa: Is he really dead?

Bridget: Sorry. I’m not buying Locke being really dead

Pablo: Right. Well, Locke seems to be jaunting through time too, so maybe he is and isn’t dead. Schrodinger’s Locke!

Pablo: Oh, FINALLY! Sawyer put a shirt on.

Theresa: So, my stance right now is that these episodes are more plot-driven than character-driven. Very fast-paced, but a little frenetic.

Bridget: agreed

Bridget: Chill out, Cheech! Like Tommy Chong has never showed up at Cheech’s house with a passed out semi-corpse before.

Theresa: Naveen Andrews made $200,000 for this episode. Keep that in mind.

Pablo: 200k for playing dead.

Bridget: He killed a guy with a dishwasher!!!

Theresa: That was last hour, Bridget!

Pablo: That was last ep. A whole other 200K.

Bridget: Oh. In that case, he’s on his own.

Theresa: Sad that Faraday’s love interest is in peril. Do you think he’ll have a personal stake in fixing the island’s problem?

Bridget: That encephalitic limey is UNbearable.

Pablo: Maybe she’s a construct of the island! A golem, if you will.

Bridget: Maybe...just, maybe...I bet she’s got four toes on each foot

Pablo: Oh god. Frogurt is unfuckingbearable. He needs to be shot. [cue flaming arrow attack] Thanks!

Bridget: That was really satisfying.

Theresa: My god was that welcome.

Pablo: He needed to be shot, if nothing else, then for being the poor man’s Steve Buscemi.

Bridget: But when secondary characters throw a hissy fit, you know shit’s about to go down. It’s the Artz rule.

Theresa: Exactly.

Pablo: So, I’m assuming that these are the “tribal” Others lobbing flaming arrows?

Bridget: “Poor man’s Steve Buscemi” is one of the sadder phrases in the English language.

Theresa: Where’s Rousseau?

Bridget: Probably drowning puppies or something EEEvil.

Pablo: Hell, where’s Charlie?

Theresa: This hour has more character development, definitely. Hurley’s family, I love them.

Pablo: indeed.

Theresa: And that Sun and Kate scene...good stuff.

Bridget: Yes. It was a nice respite from the relentless action

Pablo: Here’s Hugo’s character moment, then.

Bridget: Madre de dios.

Theresa: Oh no, Mom better not betray his trust!!

Bridget: They do love the Virgin Mary on this show. Don’t Mom me, Hugo!

Pablo: Hurley’s recap to his mom is a classic convoluted recap that doesn’t make sense out of context. I hate this device.

Bridget: Kate’s kind of Virgin Mary-esque in the right light :) Yeah, why do i feel like she’s about to sell him out like retail at TJ Maxx?

Pablo: ‘Cause she’s all retail. Both she and Cheech, with that damn light-up virgin mary picture.

Bridget: Hugo’s mom is totally secretly Ben Linus. Wait for it....

Pablo: Oh, look: Jack Shephard has privileges at ALL hospitals EVERYWHERE.

Bridget: Do NOT tell the writers of Lost what he can’t do. It’s true. The pills make it all possible

Pablo: “Malpractice? What is this ‘malpractice’ you speak of?”

Pablo: Back to Hurley and Ben—Go go Hurley hot pocket launcher!

Bridget: Hurley Rebels! Ben can totally get you in prison!!!

Bridget: Is that a Druid doing calculus?

Pablo: what the.....

Bridget: Penny...is a secret Druid. And probably a Timelord.

Theresa: It’s the old shopkeep!

Pablo: oh her!

Bridget: Oh, not Penny. Bargain basement Mae West psychic lady

Theresa: My brain HURTS

Bridget: HURT BRAIN.

Pablo: that was...... yeah.....

Bridget: So, “God help us all?”

Bridget: I think my brain just exploded

Theresa: I’m gonna hope it’s intentional that Marvin Candle and old shopkeep lady both said “SO GOD HELP US ALL.” Instead of giving a real fucking clue about what will happen.

Bridget: Oh, you KNOW it is :)

Pablo: So what did we learn? Not a whole lot, really. The island travels through time, but we already knew that, really.

Theresa: I mean come on! one little clue beyond dramatic TV or “God help you all, we are screwed in some way that will become clear during May sweeps.” Grrr. Argh.

Pablo: But lots happened.

Bridget: Yes. “Lots happened.” Minimalist.

Bridget: Post it.

Theresa: My biggest revelation was Charlotte, or “Stoltzface”.

Bridget: Hahaha...

Theresa: Thanks Bridget/Neil - you have changed the way I see Charlotte forever. But, seriously - the first hour was mostly plot-heavy, action-heavy. I thought the second hour was a lot stronger.

Pablo: Yes.

Theresa: But I’m still concerned and a little sad that we may not get to see that single character episode anymore.

Bridget: I think they were really trying to rope new viewers in, even at this late date

Pablo: True.

Theresa: I loved that formula, except when it was a Kate/Charlie/most Jack-centric episode. I have a big soft spot for Hurley though. Not making a lame pun, either. He’s the heart of the show, I think. Comic relief, but he always has all this doubt and vulnerability in his soft, gooey center.

Theresa: I loved his little up-yours to Ben’s plan. I would’nt trust that beady-eyed bastard either, even if he is right. Ben’s gonna have to suffer the consequences for his selfish actions, maybe.

Bridget: Damn.

Pablo: Hurley is arguably the most important of all the Oceanix Six, and taking himself out of the picture was a ballsy move.

Bridget: Most important in what sense?

Pablo: He seems to be the nexus or link to most of the ‘supernatural’ events....the numbers, the dead people, etc. Like you say, he’s the heart of the show.

Theresa: Yeah, a man of importance underneath all the mean fat jokes.

Bridget: But Jack seems connected to the island like Locke is...I agree that Hurley is a major player.

Theresa: He’s the most normal person on the show in a way. How many heroic Jacks do you know, or charismatic hero-types like Locke?

Pablo: Jack and Locke are two sides to the same coin: the rational v. the supernatural. But they’re more totemic where Hurley is more of a conduit.

Theresa: And Sawyer’s a walking southern-fried stereotype.

Bridget: Right, which is why it’s so great that Hurley’s the one that doubts his sanity...the most sympathetic, easiest to identify-with character, and he might be crazy

Pablo: Right.

Theresa: I agree.

Pablo: but we know he’s not, and he knows he’s not, judging by his conversations with his parents. He just finds that it’s the easiest way for him to avoid his role, or to take himself out of the picture, like he did with the cops tonight.

Bridget: Hugo’s always getting institutionalized, it’s true.

Pablo: All the Oceanic Six are avoiding, to one degree or another, really.

Pablo: Sun with her vendetta, Jack with his drugs, Kate playing mommy, Sayid playing ninja...

Theresa: Sun is the next most interesting member to me. She’s got a different purpose than the others.

Bridget: Sayid doesn’t “play”

Pablo: Oh, he plays when he wants to.

Theresa: So I’m more interested in the plot OFF the island.

Pablo: Yup. I’m finding that I really don’t care about anyone left on the island, except Faraday, really.

Bridget: Rose and Bernard?!

Theresa: Sawyer, Miles, and Faraday are the only people on the island that I really, really like.

Pablo: Nope. Bernard and Rose were pissing me off with their squabbling, and I’ve never liked Miles.

Theresa: I like Rose & Bernard as in I don’t wish them any harm, but they ain’t riveting.

Bridget: They’re the Fred and Ethel Merz of the Island!

Theresa: Oh no! I love Miles!

Bridget: It’s true. I really hope they don’t try to pair up Juliet and Sawyer as a couple. There’s nothing interesting down that road...

Theresa: Ken Leung’s a great character actor. Loved him on the Sopranos. He was in a movie where he played a 30 year old guy with a crush on Hayden Pannitiere. Little did anyone know that she LIKES 30 year old guys at the time... I can make Heroes jokes anywhere. But of course, I still think Juliet is marked for death in the island love square. Sawyer will dally with her for a bit, but he wants Kate. Jack wants Kate too

Pablo: neither of them will get her. Because she’s THAT girl.

Theresa: Juliet I predict will die in some lame self-sacrificing way that allows everyone else to be happy but her.

Bridget: Because Kate’s the sexy virgin mary

Theresa: Pretty much.

Pablo: There was something off about this episode. This whole off-island stuff makes the island stuff seem irrelevant.

Theresa: Yeah, I’m just not into Locke’s messiah schtick at this point in the show. Which is a shame because Locke was one of my favorite characters in season 1. Maybe the pacing just seems weird because it was two episodes back to back

Pablo: Well, it’s just that other than Locke and Faraday, there’s no one important on the island anymore. Sawyer’s just not important. He’s eye candy, but that’s it.

23 comments
Jason Henninger
1. jasonhenninger
"Bridget: That encephalitic limey is UNbearable"

Yes! I thought I was alone in my dislike for her.


--

And still I wonder, what the hell is the smoke monster? How does it fit with the time machine island concept?
Pablo Defendini
2. pablodefendini
Yes, the smoke monster was conspicuously absent....I really hope they don't retcon it away.
Jason Henninger
3. jasonhenninger
I hope not as well. Do you get the impression that the smoke monster is a remnant of an earlier plot concept? When the show felt less scifi and more supernatural?
Joe Sherry
4. jsherry
Ana Lucia was probably my favorite part of the episode (besides Fire Arrows!...it was all Robin Hood "to the treeeeeeeees!"). Her "and try not to get arrested" line cracked me up because I'm 95% sure the writers were digging on the whole "you get caught with a dui, we'll kill ya".

Following that with the Libby comment, though - perfect.
Bridget McGovern
5. BMcGovern
@ jason #1

Oh, no! Charlotte is much-hated, at least by most of my friends. My friend Neil kept threatenting to "slap the Eric Stoltz out of her face" every time she was onscreen last night (hence Theresa's reference to 'Stoltzface' later; a lot of references to Cher and Rocky Dennis got edited out of the conversation, probably in the interest of good taste :) Anyway, that's one of the best parts of Lost: bringing the hate. And arguing about who's most annoying...
Locke Rulez
6. Locke Rulez
Sawyer's not that important? I used to agree, but i think they've been ramping him up recently.. he's been becoming the hero, saving people for no reward.

if you follow the line that now they're traveling through time and interacting with Dharma/Others/etc, it follows that one (or more) of them is Jacob.. they figured out that they need to be stealthy about interacting with past/future versions of themselves/Others and (re)invent Jacob to try to get the Others to do stuff to save the island (which we've always heard was Jacob/Ben's plan anyway, we just didn't know what they were saving it from). Given that Locke has to leave the island, the only main character left is Sawyer.. his hair's been growing longer and could eventually be as long as the Jacob we've seen. I always thought Jacob was Jack trying to get back to the island by manipulating their actions, but now i'm leaning more towards Sawyer.

I still don't know how Christian and all the dead people fit into this, other than that I believe they keep contradicting alot of stuff, including themselves (Clair to Kate about Aaron, etc).. Maybe some of these appearances, including Christian's direction to move the island (which now seems to be the wrong idea), are by some opposing force to the good island.. yin/yang.. etc. i don't remember if we've actually seen Christian with Jacob, or if he's just pretending to be on his side. Considering we haven't actually seen Jacob, i guess anything's up for grabs on the relationship to Christian.

Also, Desmond's british ring peddler revealed at the end must be Faraday's mom (at Oxford).. Faraday might not know she's working with Ben when Faraday asked Desmond to find her, but he must know she's been researching the island (or at least time travel). At some point after that scene, she must figure out how to travel to the past and interacts with Desmond about the ring/island. remember, we're not seeing these in order.
Jason Henninger
7. jasonhenninger
@ 5

I think Juliet irritates me most of all. She's a Gray's Anatomy character who somehow got stuck in the wrong show. She's condescendingly sensitive and limp at the same time. She's the thespian equivalent of low-sodium cream of celery soup.
Pablo Defendini
8. pablodefendini
@Locke Rulez
Interesting theory about Sawyer being Jacob...
Locke Rulez
9. Locke Rulez
I'm not sure Sawyer is the "only" Jacob.. they probably now have to act as a group to get things done.. but the long haired version we saw could have been Sawyer for that one time. and we did see more than one person in the cabin that first time (not taking into account the Christian/Claire encounter).

oh yeah, and about faraday and the ring peddler.. they are both of the school that you can't change time.. they both keep telling people this.. so that's another clue that they're either related somehow (mother/son as i propose) or at least studied together or the same material.

if they do believe this, then why they both attempt to then change things by talking to desmond, i don't know though.
Jason Henninger
10. jasonhenninger
@9

A few people in the show are mentioned as being "special." Locke, Desmond and Ben come to mind. Maybe they're special in that they can alter timelines? Or something?
Locke Rulez
11. P. Bradley Robb
Just one little thing...it's season 5 now.

I enjoyed it, but the whole "Time is a stream" bit bothered me. However, when Locke was shot off the vine wall, it would explain why his leg suddenly stopped working years ago.

Does anyone else think that Charles Widmore might have been responsible for, or connected with, the Dharma Initiative? When Ben showed up in his bedroom, Widmore accused Ben of taking the island from him.

And I'm with @Locke Rulez on the importance of Sawyer. Whatever he whispered to Kate at the end of Season 4 will likely pop back up this season, and in a big way.
Pablo Defendini
12. pablodefendini
@P. Bradley Robb
Wow, thanks—Fixed. I guess I'm still on Battlestar mode. Then again, a similar thing happened to me on that post, so maybe I've just gotta stop with the meth, you know?
JP Frantz
13. jpfrantz
@9

I don't believe Faraday was interacting with Desmond in an effort to change anything. Rather, he was doing so in an attempt to 'ground' himself, a la 'The Constant'. Remember, Desmond is Faraday's 'constant'.

The previews for next week seem to indicate that smoke monster will back. At least, that's how I interpreted the person being dragged across the ground. And Cuse and Lindelof have said they will get back to Ol' Smokey.
Locke Rulez
14. Locke Rulez
@jpfrantz

Faraday WAS interacting with Dez, and not just in a casual ("how's the Ranch Dressing in there") way.. he was trying to get him to do something new.. to find his mom..
Locke Rulez
15. Locke Rulez
oh yeah, and why is Hurley specifically angry at only Sayid when they agree to lie? Most, if not all of the Oceanic 6 (plus Frank/Dez/Penny) agreed to lie, and it wasn't like Sayid argued any differently than everyone else.. is it because he happened to be looking (or responding) to Hurley at the time? I mean, Jack brought up the idea and was pushing it the hardest..

this seems a bit extreme to me for him to specifically call out Sayid.
Mitchell Downs
16. Beamish
Pablo: There was something off about this episode. This whole off-island stuff makes the island stuff seem irrelevant.


Bingo.

My one word review: Underwhelmed.

I did not hate this premiere but it really was a lot of...nothing. Lots of nothing happened and a handful of interesting moments were had. Eh.
Bridget McGovern
17. BMcGovern
@ jason #5

Yeah, I'm totally on board that hatemobile, too. Juliet is obviously more interesting than Charlotte in terms of storyline so far, but that martyred fishface expression got old pretty quickly. Also, over the holidays my younger sister hepped me to the fact that Elizabeth Mitchell also appears as Mrs. Claus in The Santa Clause 2. Don't ask why I treat that as proof that she is probably evil, but I do...

@ Beamish #16

Season premieres are always tricky, in the sense that they have to bridge the gap between the cliffhangers of the old season and set up/drive the action of the new. I agree that this premiere didn't introduce a ton of new stuff, but I thought it was satisfying--filled in a few major gaps, answered some questions, posed a few more. Pretty much par for the Lost course, really, and it was fast-paced enough that even when nothing major was happening, it felt riveting...
David Lev
18. davidlev
I was watching this show with my parents, and my dad's main complaint was that they had commercial breaks every few minutes. It was kinda annoying.

I just want to know what's the deal with Miles. And we finally get to learn the name of the weird guy in all the instructional videos: Dr. Chang! I want more Dr. Chang. And also to learn what's up with Richard.
Jen Hill
19. greybon
@18 Hah. Yeah, I want to learn bits about all these characters too.

@15 I’m glad you brought that up. I don’t get it either. Hurley directing is anger at Sayid just seemed silly. And I wonder if there was just a point to it…or was it just laziness to fill the scene?


I enjoyed the episode. I think it transitioned well from last season to this one. But yes, what’s going on off the island I find much more interesting than on too. Hurley had some great moments with that turning himself into the cops maneuver he pulled as well as the simple tossing of that hot pocket. And he really is the heart of the show. I love that. Loved that moment where he admitted to his dad he was lying too.

My favorite quote of this ep:

Hurley to Sayid: “You know, maybe if you’d eat more comfort food, you wouldn’t have to go around shooting people.”
Theresa DeLucci
20. theresa_delucci
I think the highlight of this episode for me was Sayid killing a man with a dishwasher. That is the most inventive, hilarious death I've seen since Riddick murdered a man with his teacup.

Hurley's "comfort food" line was probably my favorite of the episode, too.

The pacing seemed off for me and I completely missed the fact that the old shopkeep is Faraday's mom. How did I miss this? I loved the opening with Dr. Candle/Chang/Halliwax/whatever.

The island is less interesting to me now, but I'm still engrossed with a lot of the characters on the show in general. The island storyline will get a LOT more interesting for me once Desmond can interact with Faraday more. He better be brought into the fold quick, though.
Rajan Khanna
21. rajanyk
I really liked the episode (just watched it). In fact, if pressed, I think I enjoyed it more than BSG's premiere.

Pure speculation on my part - maybe that English woman (Faraday's gf) is Desmond's kid? Did I imagine seeing Penny giving birth in a "coming up this season" clip? With time travel it's possible.

I like seeing both Sayid and Locke badass again. They lost a bit of that over previous seasons.

I disagree that the island seems less interesting. Just the time jumping alone offers countless possibilities for explaining more about the island, filling in blanks. I think we'll see Rousseau again at some point. And more Richard. I dig Richard.

But not as much as I dig Desmond.
Rajan Khanna
22. rajanyk
Just for fun - a new Lost drink was created and is now on the menu at Jack the Horse Tavern in Brooklyn Heights. It's called the Oceanic Royale Punch and "can cause time travel".

Link: http://www.vittlesvamp.com/2009/01/lost-punch-to-be-found-in-brooklyn.html
Dave Thompson
23. DKT
@theresa delucci #20

Oh, good. I'm not the only one who thought about Riddick when Sayid pulled that move.

What was interesting was that this was two separate episodes smushed together instead of a two episode premiere. I'm not sure which episode I liked more but it seems I was definitely more intrigued by the stuff on the island than a lot of people here. Sawyer saying "Everyone I cared about died on that boat" really got me. And I loved the skipping record analogy. I can't wait to see them hook up with Rousseau again, with Alpert, the Hostiles, Widmore, and eventually Jacob. (And I LOVE the theory about them all being Jacob.)

I know Pablo didn't like Hurley's "recap" but I didn't take it as something to hook in new viewers. It was like me trying to explain to friends everything I thought was so great about this show, only to realize about halfway through how ridiculous it all sounds (that whole Hurley is the most sympathetic character thing). It sounded absolutely absurd, even funny, and then his mom squeezes his hands and I go "Awwwwww, Mom!"

I really loved Hurley turning himself in. And I was so sure the old shopkeeper/ringlady in the cloak was going to be Charlie in a hoodie. I'm still holding out we'll get to see him and Mr. Eko again one day.

The Smoke Monster can't be forgotten. Not when they showed Ben controlling it to kill Keamy's men last season. There's definitely going to be more about that.

Oh. And what's up with Walt? I was hoping he'd be around these first two hours.

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