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posted Sunday July 20, 2008 02:36pm EDT

The conversation

Patrick Nielsen Hayden

Effective blogging is a combination of good personal writing and smart party hosting. A good blog post can be a sentence long, or three pages long; what matters is that it encourages further conversation.

Back in the heyday of the Whole Earth Catalog, visionary Catalog editor Stewart Brand told would-be reviewers to (I quote from memory, and probably imperfectly) “write as if you are writing a letter to an engaged and interested friend who knows almost nothing about the subject.” That’s a good starting point for blogging. Tor.com is for fans of science fiction, fantasy, the universe, and the many “related subjects” that such persons are also liable to be interested in. When we write about (for instance) antique SEGA games, we assume that many of our readers don’t know anything about antique SEGA games—but that most of them probably share the mindset that understands why someone would be fanatically interested in antique SEGA games. We’re not trying to convert everyone to our particular geeky obsession, but we do assume that our natural audience is composed of people who understand the pleasures of geeky obsession, and we hope to share the cool.

Much of what has driven Tor.com is our desire to more fully contribute to the great conversation that is the subculture of SF—that river of talk, in person and in print, that has surrounded and informed science fiction and fantasy (and “the universe,” and “related subjects”) since SF fans began cranking out fanzines and organizing meetups in the early 1930s. That conversation has done nothing but expand. It is a major tributary to the modern Internet. Tor.com aspires to be part of that conversation. We recognize it as something older and bigger than we are.

We’ve recruited a number of front-page bloggers based on their knowledge of certain specialized subjects and their demonstrated ability to blog interestingly on those subjects. We’ll be recruiting more as time goes on, as well as inviting various interesting people to blog here as guests. Even more importantly, we intend to participate in the comment threads and user-started conversations on this site, and if something written there strikes us as particularly pertinent or interesting, we may well reprint it on the front page. (With its author’s permission, of course.)

As this site’s editorial straw-boss, I guess what I’d say to everyone playing here, front-page bloggers and commenters alike, is: Converse. Be yourself; be a person, not a megaphone--a personal point of view, not an encyclopedia or an “objective journalistic voice.” Even the original fiction is part of the conversation; the authors writing for us are aware that there'll be a public comment thread following every story, just as if it were a blog post. Talk to the rest of us like we’re human beings at an interesting social event. If you feel like you’re up at a lectern on a big stage, reconsider. Tor.com aspires to be a room party, not Carnegie Hall. Circulate and talk.

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27 comments
Steven Brust
1.  skzb
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 03:12pm EDT
I miss the fandom of the old days, when, uh, I forget what I'm bitter and nostalgic about this week. It'll come to me.

Meanwhile, cool beans!

(adds site to toolbar)
Charlie Stross
2.  cstross
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 05:18pm EDT
Getting stoned on duplicator fluid!
David Dyer-Bennet
3.  dd-b
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 05:30pm EDT
Ah, yes, the number of brain cells that ditto fluid must have destroyed! All through school, and then in fandom when I owned my own and got it fresher and stronger!
Jaquandor
4.  Jaquandor
Sunday July 20, 2008 09:39pm EDT
Ahhhh, ditto fluid...that wonderful smell, and the beautiful coldness of those fresh-off-the-press sheets...and the bleating to our teacher that we couldn't read the sheets, so smudged had the copies-of-copies-of-copies become. Good times!

(Oh yeah, congrats on the new site!)
Gabriele Campbell
5.  G-Campbell
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 09:58pm EDT
It shows how old we are, doesn't it? Duplicator fluid, manual typewriters, computers that took up an entire room...

And them along came Atari. I loved my Atari, but alas, at some point it could no longer compete with the PCs. And these days my 7 year old niece has her own.
Laurie Ashton
6.  LMAshton
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 10:31pm EDT
My brother learned to program back in the punch card days. Please, don't remind me how old I am.
Jeffrey Richard
7.  neutronjockey
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 10:36pm EDT
Beta launch day has been a Hay Day in trying to keep up. I hope it continues to be this active and involved.
David Dyer-Bennet
8.  dd-b
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 10:43pm EDT
*I* learned to program back in punch card days. In fact I have some of my punch cards in reach from where I sit (odds and ends turn up from time to time, and I can't bring myself to either seriously archive these or throw them out, so they're sitting around and I play with them now and then).
Lisa Spangenberg
9.  Medievalist
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 11:33pm EDT
I'm delighted by the new site, but I do confess to missing the FAQs from the old Tor site.

I used to use them as examples of how to write FAQs that answered customers'/users'/members' questions in a personal yet professional tone.
Alan Kellogg
10.  mythusmage
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 11:38pm EDT
Now if we could only get you kids to come to the conventions. Yes, you too can watch as Patrick Nelson Hayden lapses into intoxicated incoherency at a local dive, and learn why 42 is not 8x7 in base 13.
Beth Meacham
11.  bam
VIEW ALL BY · Sunday July 20, 2008 11:43pm EDT
Medievalist, the Tor FAQs are on the Tor-Forge Books site. You can get there by clicking the link up in the right hand corner of the front page.
Karen Babich
12.  KarenB.
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 12:24am EDT
I've been going through all of my dad's belongings, which include some things he inexplicably did not toss back when his parents died. Whatever the reason, he had lots of office supplies. I reverently kept the bottle of blue corflu -- which hasn't dried up completely, even now.
Laurie Ashton
13.  LMAshton
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 12:33am EDT
dd-b, my brother brought home stacks and stacks of old punch cards, which my mother then used for grocery lists and chore lists for the next decade or so. Happily, we ran out a long time ago.
Lisa Spangenberg
14.  Medievalist
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 01:37am EDT
bam

Thanks for the pointer to the Tor-Forge FAQs, but they're not the same ones. Those were . . . well, personable, and charming.

These are quite helpful and professional but not the same.
Steven Brust
15.  skzb
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 04:04am EDT
Do not laugh at DDB and his punch cards. When torn in half, the cards are lethal. As I recall, he could trim cigarette ash at twenty paces.
Jay Tomio
16.  JayTomio
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 04:14am EDT
There is definitely a lot to take in and enjoying it thus far.

I'll be back for the very topical Commodore 64 Summer and Winter Games special/remembrance!
Laurel Amberdine
17.  amberdine
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 10:13am EDT
Pardon, must squee.

This is so cool! Yay!

Thank you, Tor, and thanks especially to those of you who worked to make this happen.
Geri Sullivan
18.  GeriSullivan
VIEW ALL BY · Monday July 21, 2008 12:54pm EDT
Karen B. -- I love that you kept the bottle of corflu.

The program at Denvention 3 includes a mimeo demo on Sunday afternoon. Randy Smith donated a Gestetner, Dave Rike loaned us his mimeoscope and gave us a bunch of paper. Colin Hinz is bringing stencils, stylii, ink, and corflu, and Cheryl Morgan is soliciting contributions for a one-shot from the fan Hugo nominees. Any and all interested in learning about or indulging in this particular bit of nostalgic printing geekery is welcome to join in the fun!
Paul Andinach
19.  anobium
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday July 22, 2008 10:43am EDT
[quote=G-Campbell]G-Campbell: I loved my Atari, but alas, at some point it could no longer compete with the PCs. And these days my 7 year old niece has her own.[/quote]
An Atari of her own? At that age? I'd have have said seven years was a bit young to be getting into obsolete-hardware nostalgia, myself.
Gabriele Campbell
20.  G-Campbell
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday July 22, 2008 10:55am EDT
Lol, no she has a PC.

I realised the grammer mistake after I posted.

An edit function would be nice, but I can imagine it'll prove a pest to add and lots of other things will break if they do. ;)
Jaquandor
21.  Melinda Snodgrass
Monday August 18, 2008 09:11am EDT
Great site. I'm really enjoying the posts, and Tor.com is already sending tentacles into other blogs (well, mine to be honest), but I linked to Patrick's post about the age of Hugo winners, and it tied in perfectly with a conversation I'd started about the differences between Worldcon and Comic-Con.

It's now become the hottest topic on my blog with people arguing and offering suggestions.

I'm sure I'll be mining Tor.com for more interesting and energetic conversations in the months and years to come.

Melinda
richard cox
22.  drahic
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday August 19, 2008 09:06am EDT
what has happened to the wheel of time series since the author has passed away. i have heard his wife might be in junction with another author to finnish the series. it appears to me that book ten was bringing together quite a few loose ends and that there could be at least a book or two left to write. what surprises me that he died last year but book ten was published in 2003? i hope i can find this site again to review any answers to my question. thank you.
Torie Atkinson
23.  Torie
VIEW ALL BY · Tuesday August 19, 2008 09:37am EDT
@22 dragic

You are correct. Robert Jordan's wife chose Brandon Sanderson to complete the series, using Jordan's copious notes and audio recordings. More information is available here.

In the future, if you have questions like this, feel free to start a conversation about it.
richard cox
24.  drahic
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday August 20, 2008 08:56am EDT
thank you so much but now there is a further question.
when i read this article all was well and good but they mentioned that it would be the 12th book. i only have the ten books. what is the title of the 11th book and where do i get a copy to keep up? also when is the so called 12th book due out? thank you.
Torie Atkinson
25.  Torie
VIEW ALL BY · Wednesday August 20, 2008 09:56am EDT
@ 24 drahic

The 11th book is called Knife of Dreams. According to the press release I linked, the last book will be called A Memory of Light, and is scheduled to be released in Fall 2009.
richard cox
26.  drahic
VIEW ALL BY · Thursday August 21, 2008 08:05am EDT
i want to thank the person again for the information concerning the last two books of the wheel of time series. i hope mr sanderson lives up to r jordan's expectations. my condolences to mrs jordan on her husbands passing away.
Jaquandor
27.  Apawk
Wednesday August 27, 2008 10:24pm EDT
I am currently writing a novel based on the first person/third person malee game. It is a combination of Unreal Championship 2 and Unreal Tournament. Much like the Halo series, This novel will be off the charts. Plan to write 3 of them. My first one is called Unreal Tournament: The Necris Ascent.... It is going GREAT!
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